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Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by ManMountain(m): 5:40pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
According to Richard Akinjide, a cabinet member and which was later corraborated by Sheu Shagari in his own book "Beckoned to Serve" Talking on the first coup, when Balewa got missing, 7 Likes |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by aleniboro(m): 5:43pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
DIKEnaWAR:It was IBB that led the assaul under direct command of Danjuma! Danjuma insisted that there should be no negotiation when Babangida came back with Dimka's condition. He commanded Babangida to crush the rebellion unconditionally. |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by Eluwilussit(m): 5:43pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
rosebowl01: Now I know why people fail English exams. I never inferred that 6 months was a couple of months. A couple of months means 2 months. A couple means 2. So all I said is that killing them within 2 months would have appeared too hasty. Again, January 31 to July 15 is barely 6 months. Learn to read and comprehend. Ironsi was just 44 yrs. He was one of the few officers in the Nigerian Army that were above 40. We just got our independence 6 yrs earlier and everything was still new to everyone. We are here today, criticizing every decision those guys made but we fail to learn from their mistakes. We have no moral justification to judge none of those guys. Both the 1st and 2nd groups of coupists. What they fought for or thought they fought for, is still there with us today. Some of us are still at our parents' homes even at their age. All I am saying in a nutshell is this: if we didn't learn any lesson from their mistakes, then we have no locus standi to judge them. 1 Like |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by Emyogalanya: 5:43pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
Why is the first coup called igbo coup while the second is called counter coup. Why is nnamdi kanu charged for treason and buhari is celebrated as a nationalist. And now president. isn't coup a reasonable offence . United nations pls take note |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by DobleO7: 5:44pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
oglalasioux: Nigeria and Nigerian's have continued to live in denial. There have been so much distrust among the diverse ethnic groups and I don't think that end is in sight anytime soon. 2 Likes |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by southpole: 5:48pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
gartamanta:Please forget those lies we could have seen it in the Biafra repubic |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by decasey(m): 5:50pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
southpole:oga pls answer dis question, is nzegwu an Ibo man?. |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by southpole: 5:52pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
gartamanta:The North also showed the Igbos that if you think you can kill other peoples kinsmen and have peace it means you have the highest form of human stupidity. 4 Likes |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by logicab: 5:53pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
Under the law, that is, the Interpretation Act, as 3 Likes |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by southpole: 5:55pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
decasey:Sorry I thought you are a Nigerian, however just take few minutes and search about him |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by aleniboro(m): 5:56pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
gowaga68:The military is the only institution recognized to restore law and other whenever there is a state of anarchy. At that time, The major democratic leaders were dead. The only thing he could have done was to take over as he did. |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by logicab: 5:59pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
aleniboro:It seems you missed this: Under the law, that is, the Interpretation Act, as acting President, Nwazor Orizu had all the powers of the President. The GOC said he wanted to see all the cabinet ministers. And so we assembled at the cabinet office. Well, I have read in many books saying that we handed over to the military. We did not hand-over. Ironsi told us that "you either hand over as gentlemen or you hand-over by force". Those were his words. Is that voluntary hand-over? So we did not hand-over. We wanted an Acting Prime Minister to be in place but Ironsi forced us, and I use the word force advisedly, to handover to him. He was controlling the soldiers. The acting President, Nwafor Orizu, who did not cooperate with us, cooperated with the GOC. Dr. Orizu and the GOC prepared speeches which Nwafor Orizu broadcast handing over the government of the country to the army. I here state again categorically as a member of that cabinet that we did not hand-over voluntarily. It was a coup. 3 Likes |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by babadlaw1(m): 6:01pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
The major problem came from the first coup. However, Ironsi should have dealt with the coup plotters as quickly as possible in the military way. I sincerely pitied Fajuyi. He just sacrificed his life. I pray we (citizen) learn and don't let our politicians destroy us cos of their selfish ambition. The people of Nigeria are ready to live together in peace and harmony but our greedy politicians know our mumu button...Ethnicity and Religion. The politicians and their fam keep winning, citizens keep fighting eachother and dying. 2 Likes |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by ojinuocheibi(m): 6:05pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
DIKEnaWAR:YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TYPING..... WAS OBJ MADE HEAD OF STATE AFTER AGUIYI IRONSI? WHERE DID YOU PLACE MURITALA MOHAMMED? |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by Ahmedhussain3463: 6:11pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
DIKEnaWAR:wht are u wating for?implement d fiscal federalism nw! |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by dadaijboy: 6:13pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by aleniboro(m): 6:16pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
southpole:I think there is a misunderstanding here. In military, there is hierrachy. If there is a coup, then some senior military officer that are in unpopular group, the group that lost whether the coup plotter or the loyalist group, will become irrelevant. But the popular group will present there most senior military officer to lead. |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by chidozieikeji2: 6:57pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
ManMountain:fazillions-world..co.ke/2010/05/explosive-interview-how-mko-and-abacha.html?m=1 Read d link and den go and read the authobiography of late Gen olutoye rotimi book he was d victim |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by chidozieikeji2: 6:58pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
ManMountain:ironsi had no senior to hand over to |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by gartamanta: 6:59pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
southpole: Really? And so when the North were killing Igbos in the Kano massacre of 1945, the Jos riots of 1953, long before the coup of January 1966? It then means that Igbos were justified to kill them back. But in this is the important question Igbos have been asking for a long time. Since it is now known that we have been killing each other since Lugard brought us together, what is the point of being together? That's one question non of the Northern apologists have never been able to answer 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by rhames(m): 7:12pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
Old Ironside. RIP |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by ArchiPelago1: 7:15pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
ojinuocheibi: You obviously dint understand his post.. Brigaider Ogundipe was the most senior military officer during the first coup, yet power was given to Ironsi. The power brokers dint want to make the same mistake again, Hence the defacto vice president Obasanjo was given power instead of his junior Danjuma. |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by Okwyjesus(m): 7:19pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
ManMountain: one salute for u. 1 Like |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by gowaga68: 7:27pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
aleniboro:I have been following history books for a while and most say he deliberately refuse to hand over to the appropriate person which if not mistaken was also an Ibo (Igbo) man. |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by gowaga68: 7:32pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
logicab:You nailed it! 1 Like |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by abnur14(m): 7:33pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
which kind hero ..Nigeria was enjoying the rule of sir tafawa before he came with his killing.. he might even b d beginning of our problems.. but nevertheless RIP..I don't believe killing him was best for Nigeria also 2 Likes |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by T8ksy(m): 7:36pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
gartamanta: And my own important question is, giving what you stated above about the north killing ibos in their region "Why then was it that, (of the 3 major groups in the country) only zik and his fellow ibo people were singing the song of One nigeria to high heavens"? The north have never hidden their hatred for the south most especially the ibos yet the ibos were the only one then proposing the notion of One (united) Nigeria. They even adorned Zik (the 1st president of the ibo state union), the fake garb of Nigeria Nationalism. Zik in is his usual sly manner was preaching Pan Africanism when he can't even maintain unity (of any meaningful purpose) within his own backyard. The 1st coup as someone rightly pointed out earlier was an ibo coup within an ibo coup. Hence there was no surprises when Ironsi, the ibo beneficiary of a supposedly-failed ibo coup then went one to enact laws and decrees that are aligned with the NCNC manifestos-a truly ibo party, one of which is Decree 34. Ojukwu was all for decree 34 as he was out the following day in his chest-beating fashion blabbing away at how he intend to "export" his people to the north most especially to compete for civil service posts with the well-known educationally-challenged hausa/fulanis 2 Likes |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by JUHABACH: 7:38pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
southpole: actually you are being biased. 1) it wasnt a tribal coup. there were other officersalongside nzeogwu who werent igbos. 2)?? 3) ironsi was head of state because he was the highest ranking military officer at the time. and while it was clear he erred in not immediately punishing the culprits, he actually made efforts at unifying the nation. iirc, he was even on a national tour when he was murdered. 4) ojukwu s grievance was the fact thar gowonwas made head of state despite being below ojukwu himself in rank. however, the agitations by ojukwu for biafra started after the massacre of reportedly milions of igbos in the north as well as the implied complicity of the gowon regime in the massacres. 2 Likes |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by fabre4: 7:46pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
ManMountain: Gowon and ogundipe did out of cowardice Ogundipe as the most senior officer refused to takeover power and handed it over to gowon who was quick to assume leadership but slow to fish out and punishthose who were responsible for the death of Aguyi and Fajuyi most of the foolish people are blaming Aguyi but what did the Hausa's do after assuming power the same thing they accused Aguyi of doing. Keep on transferring the blame like u said u reap what you sow no wonder God blessed Gowon with a wonderful son |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by logicab: 7:50pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
T8ksy:...a party which started out with majority Yoruba became Igbo as soon as Azikiwe became the leader. |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by T8ksy(m): 8:02pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
logicab: Be ni o! Oh well, they did warned us in 1947 that "ibos domination of (the emerging) Nigeria is only a matter of time". So no surprise, there. |
Re: Victoria Aguiyi-Ironsi Speaks On The 50th Year Of Aguiyi Ironsi's Death by tonquendo4u(m): 8:04pm On Jul 29, 2016 |
ManMountain:You don't understand English? |
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