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Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by naijaking1: 10:10pm On Sep 21, 2009
ROSSIKE:

I don't know too many ''Asians'' of that color and range of features.

In any case, what would an ''Asian'' be doing in Africa? And wearing a Nubian wig? shocked

Of course that's an African girl.

I join Sapeleguy in warning you not to be distracted by these 2 resident dic-heads. I have been impressed by the ferocity with which their ignorance sucks out the living-daylight out of any reasonable, academic, and balanced discussion that seem to be outside their knowledge base.
Don't be dissuaded.
Bye the way, the chick might have been a Chinese with nappy hair shocked
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by df2006: 10:19pm On Sep 21, 2009
ross i really appreciate this, pls keep up the good work, and if you have more information, especially the period just after we left egypt, pls do share, it will do a lot to improve our knowledge of who we are, once again thank you. nuff respect.
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by Nobody: 10:24pm On Sep 21, 2009
babaearly said:

Rossike pls continue and thanks. Forget about the Ignoramuses.
Theres was a king in egypt called Usekafe. And do you know! The meaning word for word in my language bini is suffering precedes wealth. Thats a plain bini name.

Well, babaearly , here's the statue of Pharoah Userkafe



He definitely looks Nigerian to me.

Userkafe was the founder of the Fifth dynasty of Egypt and the first pharaoh to start the tradition of building sun temples at Abusir. He ruled from 2465-2458 BC and constructed the Pyramid of Userkaf complex at Saqqara.



This Pharaoh is known as:

DJEDEFRE [ DJEDEVREN ] 4 TH DYNASTY


This is the statue head of Djedefre (Djedevren) one of the many beautiful exhibits in the Louvre Museum in Paris . Found near his funerary monument at Abu-Rawash
DJEDEFRE [ DJEDEVREN ] 4 TH DYNASTY Djedefre (Djedevren) of the 4 th Dynasty who succeeded his Father Khufu ruled for eight years according to the Turin King list but other sources said he ruled up to eleven years



He looks like someone from Edo State to me, and the name sounds Urhobo.
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by naijaking1: 10:26pm On Sep 21, 2009
This one get mouth like Calabarman-o
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by Nobody: 10:29pm On Sep 21, 2009
lol grin
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by ezeagu(m): 10:33pm On Sep 21, 2009
ROSSIKE:

lol grin

ROSSIKE, so far it has been Yoruba woman and Calabar man, oya find us more pictures of other egyptians that look like: Igbo, Edo, Ijaw (well those groups kind of look alike) Idoma, etc. so we can show them ancient egyptians were from Nigeria! grin
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by Nobody: 10:41pm On Sep 21, 2009
Ezeagu, without a doubt the Igbos are descendants of immigrants from the Nile Valley. The Igbo language, like Yoruba, Bini, and others, bears very strong similarities with the ancient Egyptian language (Mdu Ntr), as seen in the video below:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geR5Kxo0MJA
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by Abagworo(m): 10:44pm On Sep 21, 2009
ROSSIKE:

babaearly said:

Well, babaearly , here's the statue of Pharoah Userkafe



He definitely looks Nigerian to me.

Userkafe was the founder of the Fifth dynasty of Egypt and the first pharaoh to start the tradition of building sun temples at Abusir. He ruled from 2465-2458 BC and constructed the Pyramid of Userkaf complex at Saqqara.



This Pharaoh is known as:

DJEDEFRE [ DJEDEVREN ] 4 TH DYNASTY


This is the statue head of Djedefre (Djedevren) one of the many beautiful exhibits in the Louvre Museum in Paris . Found near his funerary monument at Abu-Rawash
DJEDEFRE [ DJEDEVREN ] 4 TH DYNASTY Djedefre (Djedevren) of the 4 th Dynasty who succeeded his Father Khufu ruled for eight years according to the Turin King list but other sources said he ruled up to eleven years



He looks like someone from Edo State to me, and the name sounds Urhobo.





Aro traditional rulers wore caps very much like the one on that pix.
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by Gamine(f): 11:05pm On Sep 21, 2009
The comments here are really wondersome!

Egyptians were from Nigeria
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by Nobody: 11:41pm On Sep 21, 2009
df2006, I shall get to your request shortly.

But here's a really interesting article. Not surprisingly, the Yorubas have been among the most studied of the West African groups with regard to the Ancient Egypt connection. Many of their customs are quite easily attributable to Nile Valley civilization, and have been, by most research scholars on the subject.



Yoruba: The Egyptian Connection


THE ODUDUWAN REVOLUTION

In the first chapter, we talked about the aboriginal nature of the Yoruban peoples. In this chapter, we shall talk of a possible migration from ancient Egypt. Many traditions point to a fact that an alien group (Egyptians) immigrated to Yoruba land and mixed with the original population.

Many oral traditions are replete with these stories. The Awujale of Ijebu land has shown that the Ijebus are descended from ancient Nubia (a colony of Egypt). He was able to use the evidence of language, body, scarification, coronation rituals that are similar to Nubians’ etc, to show that the Ijebus are descendants of the Nubians. What the present Awujale claimed for the Ijebus, can be authenticated all over Yoruba land. The Awujale even mentioned (2004) that the Itsekiri (an eastern Yoruba dialect) are speaking the original Ijebu language.

Since the Nubians were descended or colonized by the Egyptians, the Ijebu, and by extension, all Yoruba customs, derived from the Egyptian. Many traditional Yorubas have always claimed Egypt as their place of original abode, and that their monarchical tradition derives from the Egyptians.

Apostle Atigbiofor Atsuliaghan, a high priest of Umale-Okun, and a direct descendant of Orunmila, claimed that the Yorubas left Egypt as a result of a big war that engulfed the whole of Egypt. He said the Egyptian remnants settled in various places, two important places being Ode Itsekiri and Ile-Ife.Chief O.N Rewane says “Oral tradition has it also that when the Yorubas came from South of Egypt they did not go straight to where they now occupy. They settled at Illushi, some at Asaba area – Ebu, Olukumi Ukwunzu while some settled at Ode-Itsekiri,.” (O.N. Rewane Royalty Magazine A PICTORIAL SOUVENIR OF THE BURIAL AND CORONATION OF OLU OF WARRI, WARRI 1987)

Concerning the migration of some of the Yoruban ancestors from the east, Conton says:

The Yoruba of Nigeria are believed by many modern historians to be descended from a people who were living on the banks of the Nile 2,000 years ago, and who were at the time in close contact with the Egyptians and the Jews. Sometime before AD 600, if this belief is correct, this people must have left their fertile lands, for reasons which we can not now discover and have joined in the ceaseless movement of tribes west wards and south-wards across our continent.

We can only guess at the many adventures they and their descendants must have had on their long journey and at the number of generations which passed before they arrived. All we can be certain about is that they were a Negro people, and that one of the many princely states they founded on their arrival in West Africa…, was Ife.’ Conton WF (1960. 71)

Although we agree with Conton that some of the Yoruban ancestors migrated from Egypt, we tend to toe the scientific line of Cheik Anta Diop, that the ancient Egyptians were pure Negroes.

Aderibigbe, an indigenous scholar, also accepts that the Yorubas migrated from Egypt. He says:

“The general trend of these theories, most of them based on Yoruba traditions, is that of a possible origin from “the east”. Some scholars, impressed by the similarities between Yoruba and ancient Egyptian culture – religious observation, works of art, burial and other customs – speak of a possible migration of the ancestors of the Yoruba from the upper Nile (as early as 2000BC – 1000BC) as a result of some upheavals in ancient Egypt”. (AB ADERIBIGBE 1976)

Unlike Conton, Aderibigbe was able to pinpoint a cause for the Yoruban migration – war. Olumide Lucas did a lot of job to show similarities and identities between the ancient Egyptians and the Yoruban peoples. The date that Aderibigbe gave (2000BC – 1000BC) is much earlier than that given by Conton. Aderibigbe’s date corresponds to that of the Hyksos invasion of Egypt 2000-1500BC. On the possible eastern origin of the Yorubas, Tariqh Sawandi says:

“The Yoruba history begins with the migration of an east African population across the trans-African route leading from Mid-Nile river area to the Mid-Niger. Archaeologists, according to M. Omoleya, inform us that the Nigerian region was inhabited more than forty thousand years ago, or as far back as 65,000BC. During this period, the Nok culture occupied the region. The Nok culture was visited by the “Yoruba people”, between 2000BC and 500BC. This group of people was led, according to Yoruba historical accounts by king Oduduwa, who settled peacefully in the already established Ile-Ife, the sacred city of the indigenous Nok people.

This time period is known as the Bronze Age, a time of high civilization of both of these groups. According to Olumide J. Lucas, “the Yoruba, during antiquity, lived in ancient Egypt before migrating to the Atlantic coast”. He uses as demonstration the similarity or identity of languages, religious beliefs, customs and names of persons, places and things. In addition, many ancient papyri discovered by archaeologists point at an Egyptian origin. (Tariqh Sawandi: Yorubic medicine: The Art of divine herbology – online article).

Ademoyega commented that the Ekiti section of the Yorubas must have migrated to their present area around 638AD when the Muslims took over Egypt and forced some of the Yoruba people to migrate to their present area.

So, we see that the Yoruba did not come in one migration, but in many different migrations – in waves. The first possible migration might be connected with the Hyksos invasion. Some words in the Yoruban vocabulary echo the words used in Egypt in predynastic times and in the early dynastic periods. Some Egyptian gods of this period have strong identities with Yoruban deities. For instance, gods such as Adumu (Adumu) Hepi (Ipi) Ausar (Ausa), Horise (Orise), and Sámi (Sámi) Nam (Inama) are present in Yoruba. All these gods existed in the pre-dynastic and early dynastic periods of Egypt. TODAY, AMONG THE ITSEKIRI-YORUBAS ,THESE GODS CAN STILL BE PHYSICALLY SEEN, AT LEAST, ONCE A YEAR! Neighbouring peoples are already initiated into the various gods systems and beliefs in yorubaland.the agban ancestral worship was first organized in Urhoboland during the funeral ceremony of chief Ayomanor of Sapele (1949). The Ipi system was first organized in Urhoboland in March 11, 2005.

We can also see words that existed in the Graeco-Roman period in some of the Yoruban dialects. When the Romans took over Egypt, they infiltrated the Egyptian area with their language. In present Yoruba, we can still find words of Roman descent. For instance, the Yoruba called the palm frond ‘Mariwo’. This word is derived form the Latin Rivus (River). One of the declensions of river is Rivo (by the river).Since the Yoruban possesses no “V”, the word become riwo. Thus, the word “Omariwo” means the child by the river. Some other words like Sangi (blood in Itsekiri-yoruba dialect) thought to have been derived form the Portuguese were actually brought as a result of the Roman Conquest of Egypt. Sangi is blood and the Latin term is Sanguis. Some eastern Yoruba use the term “Ihagi” which is clearly a corruption of the Roman Sanguis. A Christian army in 540AD invaded Egypt and some persons believed to have reached Yoruba land were driven from Egypt.

With the commencement of the Arab period in Egypt, some indigenous Egyptians who never wanted to accept the Islamic religion escaped to present Yoruba land. It was probably in this period that words such as Keferi (Kafri pagan in Arab) infiltrated into the Yoruboid vocabulary.

All said and done, more than fifty percent of the Yoruboid vocabulary of today can be deduced either directly or indirectly from the ancient Egyptian. These are the original ancient Egyptian language devoid of Arab and Latin words that are very few in the Yoruboid vocabulary

It is not really certain when king Oduduwa came from Egypt. He must have come in one of the many migrations. But since the Yoruba religious discourse has a lot of identities with Egyptian, Oduduwa would have left Egypt at a very early period perhaps after the Hyksos invasion of 2000-1500BC ,but not later than 30BC.

Could the Yoruba have migrated from a white Egypt? Far-from the truth!
PROOFS OF EGYPTIAN NEGRONESS

1. Egypt was a part of Africa and therefore should be black
2. The Egyptians believe that Egypt was a colony of Ethiopia, and that the religion was brought to Egypt by King Horus from the south (inner Africa). Thus when the Egyptians died, they buried their corpses with their faces facing the South West (the direction of West Africa, home of the Yoruba)
3. Some West African peoples claim that their ancestors migrated to ancient Egypt. The Yorubas claimed that a mystic-prophet Orunmila (Oritse Udeji among the Itsekiri) migrated to Egypt and established a religion. Archaeology and cross-cultural studies have shown that Negroes migrated from West Africa to ancient Egypt.
4. Anthropologists have discovered, to their dismay, that Egyptian cultural traits: divine kingship, forms of burial, Osirian cult, etc., permeate some parts of Negro Africa.
5. Some deities exist in Egypt and in Negro Africa, such as Adumu, Hepi, Inama, Sami Horise etc.
6. The Greeks referred to the Egyptian as “Hoi Aiguptos”, (black people); the Egyptians referred to themselves as Kam (black in their language.)
7. Melanin test proved that the Egyptians were black.
8. Osteological measurements which are less misleading than craniometry in distinguishing a black man from a white man has proved that the ancient Egyptians belonged to the black race. Lepsius, a German Savant at the end of the nineteenth century, made the studies and his conclusion remains valid. Future studies have not contradicted the “Lepsius canon”, which in broad figures gave the bodily proportion of the ideal Egyptian: short armed and of Negroid or Negrito physical type.
9. Most West African claim Egyptian ancestry. If they are black, their ancient Egyptian ancestors must be black.
10. Ancient paintings on caves and temples in Egypt depict blacks. At first there were only black paintings, in later times, the blacks were shown ruling over whites and yellows (Asians).
11. Ancient statues and carvings found in Upper and Lower Egypt showed black skins, and features.
12. Ancient monuments such as the pyramid have been replicated in other parts of Africa. A typical example is the Warri pyramid recorded in Roth (1671).
13. Language similarities exist between the Egyptians and some groups in west Africa such as the Wolof and particularly more so, the Yorubas ( more then 500 similar words have been discovered bearing identical meanings. See Yoruba is Atlantis by the same authors: to be published).
14. Recent findings of Genetics and Molecular Biology and Linear Analysis have proved the Egyptians were Negroid.
15. The testimony of classical writers such as Plato, Homer, Aristotle, Pythagoras etc., portrays the Egyptians as blacks.
16. the physical photograph of Yuyi of ancient Egypt is Negroid (Barbara Mertz : Red Land ,Black land: 1967)

In order to prove the Egyptians origin of the Greek oracle of Dodona, Herodotus says:

“And when they add that the dove was black, they gave us to understand that the woman was Egyptian”.

The doves mentioned in a text “Epirus” stands for two Egyptian women, reputed to have brought the oracle from Tebu (Thebes)[today there are two Tebus in Yoruba land] in Egypt to establish the oracle of Dodona in Greek and Libya.

Another antiquarian, Lycinus, describing a young Egyptian, mentioned Negroid features. “This boy is not merely black; he has thick lips and his legs are too thin … His hair worn in a plait behind shows that he is not a free man.”

The mention of “black”, “thick lips” and hair worn in plaits behind are totally of African origin. In those days Itsekiri owned slaves (mostly Sobo) were either clean-shaven, or they wore their hair in plaits until they regained freedom. Thus, unknowingly, Lycinus had drawn an identical cultural affinity between the Kamites and the Yorubas.

Marcelinus, a Latin historian writes:

“The men of Egypt are mostly brown or black with a skinny and desiccated look.”

Appolodorus, who lived in the first century before our era, commented on Egypt as Negroes:

“Aiguptos captured the country of the black footed ones and called it Egypt after himself.”

Aristotle – an ancient Greek philosopher, a disciple of Plato – in a naive way showed that the Egyptians were black, hear him:

“Those who are too black are cowards, like for instance the Egyptians and the Ethiopians, but those who are excessively white are also cowards as we can see from the example of women, the complexion of courage is between the two”.

Herodotus, 485-425BC, the father of history, further said concerning the ancient Egyptians:

“It is in fact manifested that the Colchidians are Egyptian by race. Several Egyptians told me that in their opinion that the Colchidians were descendants of the soldiers of Sesostris. I had conjectured as much myself from two pointers, firstly because they have black skins and kinky hair (to tell the truth this proves nothing for other peoples have them too) and secondly more reliably for the reason that alone among mankind, the Egyptians and the Ethiopians have practiced circumcision since time immemorial. The Phoenicians and the Syrians of Palestine themselves admit that they learnt the practice from the Egyptians, while the Syrians in the river Thermodon and the Pathenoise region and their neighbours the Macrons say they learnt it recently from the Colchidians. These are the only races which practice circumcision, and it is observable that they do it in the same way with the Egyptians. As between the Egyptians themselves and the Ethiopians, I can not say which of them taught the other the practice, for among them; it is quite clearly a custom of great contiguity. As to the further strong proof to my belief is that all those Phoenicians trading to Greek cease to treat the pudenda after the Egyptian manner and do not subject their offspring to concussion”.

Herodotus mentioned black skins and kinky hair as features of the Colchidians of being descendants of the Egyptians; he also mentioned the survival of circumcision. It should be noted that Abraham – the Arab patriarch of the Jews – learnt circumcision from Hagar, his Egyptian slave wife, whence the custom spread to the Jews. Herodotus also commented that other peoples (those in inner Africa and the black Sumerians and Canaanites) also had kinky hair.

The towns of ancient Egypt: On (Annu) or Heliopolis, Hermonthis, Dendera, Tebu etc., were developed by Annu, the pre-dynastic blacks of Egypt. Skeletons of the Negro Annu were ubiquitous in ancient Egypt, 

Mene, the first pharaoh of the first dynasty, sometimes identified with the God-man Osiris (A black forerunner of Christ) was a Blackman. Zoser, Sesostris, Amenhopis, Khufu, Menthuhotep, Queen Amuses, Nefertari etc., were also all Negroes.

The Egyptian religion and other cultural practices show strong African and more so Yorubic characteristics. These can be seen in the following areas:
1. The lost wax method of brass or bronze making, which was common to both the Yoruba peoples (particular Ife) and the ancient Egyptians.
2. The ritual of initiation
3. Striving to achieve the ultimate in “Good” and truth (summun bonum)
4. The doctrine of transmigration of soul and reincarnation is widely believed in, by both peoples.
5. The concept of the ‘god king’.
6. Aspiration to achieve the great ‘good’ of the gods – ‘wealth health and long life’.
7. The Yorubic regalia, in most cases, are strikingly similar to pharoanic ones.
8. Veneration of the Ram in both places. Among the eastern Yorubas (Itsekiri especially, most of the water deities are depicted as ram following the predynastic and pharoanic patterns).
9. Both peoples answer the theophorous names.

LINGUISTIC SIMILARITIES

Since Ferdinand de Saussure, the surest way to prove a cultural contact between peoples is to adduce linguistic evidence (Ferdinand de Saussure (1972) General HISTORY OF Africa).

One of the largest inhabitants of Egypt were Yoruboid , and it will be expected that a good percentage of their language will be yoruboid ,too. See the table below.

EGYPT YORUBA
1. Wu (rise) Wu (rise)
2. Ausa (Osiris, father of the gods) Ausa (father)
3. Ere (python/ Serpent) Ere (Python / Serpent)
4. Horise (a great god) Orise (a great god)
5. Sen (group of worshippers) Sen ( to worship)
6. Ged (to chant0 Igede (a chant)
7. Ta (sell / offer) Ta (sell/offer)
8. Sueg (a fool) Suegbe (a fool)
9. On ( living person) One ( living person)
10. Kum (a club) Kumo( a club)
11. Enru (fear / terrible) Eru (fear / terrible
12. Kun / qun (brave man) Ekun (title of a brave man)
13. Win (to be) Wino (to be)
14. Odonit (festival) Odon (festival)
15. Ma or mi (to breath) Mi. (to breathe)
16. Tebu (a town) Tebu (a town)
17. Adumu (a water god) Adumu (a water god)
18. Khu (to kill) Ku (die)
19. Rekha (knowledge} Larikha (knowledge)
20 Hika (evil) Ika (evil)
21 Mhebi (humble) Mebi, humble to ones family
22 Sata (perfect) Santan (perfect)
23 Unas (lake of fire) Una (fire)
24 Tan (complete) Tan (complete)
25 Beru (force of emotion) Beru (fear)
26 Em (smell) Emi (smell)
27 Pa (open) Pa (break open)
28 Bi (to become) Bi (to give birth, to become)
29 Hepi (a water god) Ipi (a water god)
30 Sami (water god) Sami (a water god)
31 Osiri (a water god) Oshiri (a water god)
32 Heqet – Re (frog deity) Ekere (the frog)
33 Feh (to go away) Feh (to blow away)
34 Kot (build) Ko (build)
35 Kot (boat) Oko (boat)
36 Omi (water) Omi (water)
37 Ra (time) Ira (time)
38 Oni (title of Osiris) Oni (title of the king of Ife)
39 Budo (dwelling place) Budo (dwelling place)
40 Dudu (black image of Osiris) Dudu (black person)
41 Un (living person) Una (living person)
42 Ra (possess) Ra (possess/buy)
43 Beka (pray/confess) Be or ka (to pray or confess)
44 Po (many) Po (many/cheap)
45 Horuw (head) middle Egyptian Oruwo (head) (Ijebu)
46 Min (a god) Emin (spirit)
47 Ash (invocation) Ashe (invocation)
48 Aru (mouth) Arun (mouth ) Ilaje
49 Do (river) Odo (river)
50 Do (settlement) Udo (settlement)
51 Shekiri (water god) Shekiri (a water god)
52 Bu (a place) Bu ,a place
53 Khepara (beetle Akpakara (beetle)
54 No (a water god Eno (a water god)
55 Ra -Shu (light after darkness Uran-shu (the light of the moon
56 Run-ka (spirit name) Oruko (name)
57 Deb/dib to pierce Dibi (to pierce)
58 Maat (goddess of justice Mate (goddess of justice)
59 Aru (rise) Ru (rise up)
60 Fa (carry) Fa (pull)
61 Kaf (pluck) Ka (pluck)
62 Bu bi (evil place) Bubi (evil place)
63 In- n (negation In-n (negation)
64 Iset (a water god) Ise (a water god)
65 Shabu (watcher) Ashonbo (watcher)
66 Semati (door keeper) Sema (lock/shut the door)
67 Khenti amenti (big words of Osiris Yenti – yenti (big, very big)
68 Ma (to know) Ma (to know)
69 Bebi, a son of osiris) Ube, a god
70 Tchatcha chief (they examined the death to see if they tricked tsatsa (a game of tricks, gambling )
71 Ren( animal foot) Ren (to walk)
72 Ka (rest) Ka (rest/tired)
73 Mu (water) Mu (drink water)
74 Abi (against) Ubi (against / impediment)
75 Reti (to beseech) Retin (to listen)
76 Hir (praise) Yiri (praise)
77 Ta(spread out) Ta (spread out)
78 Kurud (round) Kurudu (round)
79 Ak – male Ako (male)
80 Se – to create Se (to create)
81 Hoo (rejoice) Yo (rejoice)
82 Kamwr (black) Kuru (extremely black
83 Omitjener (deep water) Omijen (deep water)
84 Nen, the primeval water mother) Nene (mother
85 Ta (land) Ita (land junction)
86 Horiwo (head) Oriwo (head)
87 Ro (talk) Ro (to think)
88 Kurubu (round) Kurubu (deep and round)
89 Penka (divide) Kpen (divide)
90 Ma-su (to mould) Ma or su (to mould)
91 Osa (time) Osa (time)
92 Osa (tide) Osa ( tide)
93 Fare (wrap) Fari (wrap)
94 Kom (complete) Kon (complete)
95 Edjo (cobra) Edjo (cobra)
96 Didi (red fruit) Diden (red)
97 Ba (soul) Oba (king) soul of a people
98 Ke (hill) Oke( hill
99 Anubis (evil deity) Onubi (evil person)
100 Kan (one: Middle Egyptian) Okan one)
101 Nam (water god) Inama (water god)

The words above are used to show that most Yoruban words are identical to the ancient Egyptian.

BINIS: THE ODUDUWAN LEGACY

Since the month of May 2004, there has been a raging intellectual battle on the personality of Oduduwa. The Binis claim he was a Bini prince, the Ifes claim otherwise.

This approach will be purely scientific and will be as objective as possible. The following areas: (1) The personality of “Oduduwa” {Ikaladeran?}; (2) archaeological researches; (3) the linguistic linkages; (4) scientific analysis of the myths; and (5) Benin’s historical debt to Oduduwa will be analyzed. (a) The monarchies; (b) the water religion, (c) bead manufacturing (d) salt industry; and (e) the Lagos conquest, will be scientifically analysed.

1. THE PERSONALITY OF “ODUDUWA”

The personality of Ikaladeran; whether he was the man who later became Oduduwa will be scientifically analyzed

In this discourse, Oduduwa is seen as the founder of the Yoruba monarchical system, or at least, a founder of a prominent dynasty in Yoruba history. There must have been many dynasties in Ife, as Ife legends put pre-Oduduwa monarchs at more than ninety.

The personality of Oduduwa has suffered many attacks in recent times. The Binis claim he was a Benin prince (Ekaladerhan), who later became Imadoduwa or Izoduwa, and then Oduduwa. The Igbos claim he was an Igbo man from Nri. Some Igalas claim he hailed from Igala land. The Igalas have many Ifes, and they claim Oduduwa was from one of such Ifes. The Igala language is close enough to the Yoruba, to assert a common origin for both peoples.

The present writers are holding the following positions:
1. The Yorubas are aborigines or autochthonous to their present environment;
2. The monarchical structure seems to be alien. The present writers tend to place the origin of the Yoruba monarchy in ancient Egypt and Nubia. This is because a lot of Egyptian related relics, words and practices can still be discerned among the Yorubas, particularly among the following: Ife (where the Ifa oracle and Yoruba monarchical system blossomed); Ijebu (with some ancient settlements; Ijebu Ode, the seat of the Awujale, Ode, the seat of Lenuwa, in present day Ogun Water side Local Government, Oke-Eri, purported to be the home of the biblical queen of Sheba, called Bilikisu in Ijebu legends), Ugbo, the ancient city of the Ilajes, Idanre (the home of Ogun, the god of iron), all show some similarities and identities in their monarchical and religious authorities.Basil Davidson, Olumide Lucas, Tariqh Sawandi, and even the present Awujale of Ijebu land, have pointed to ancient Egypt or Nubia as the origin of Yoruba monarchical system. All the above have used the similarities or the identities of cultural practices to substantiate their claims.

If the Yorubas left the Egyptian or the Nubian axis, they must have left during turbulent periods of war, economic stagnation or religious persecution. Thus, we shall examine the periods of upheavals in black Egypt and black Nubia; and examine when the Yoruban aristocracy descended from the Nile valley. They may not be one migration, but several migrations and the personality called Oduduwa, must have led one of the various migrations.

The first crop of migrants or southward push of the Egyptians took place about 2000BC – 500BC. The Hyksos invasion (2000-1500BC) caused some of these southward migrations. Many of the black Egyptians seemed to have moved to Yoruba land during this period. .

The second wave of migrations will correspond to what Laoye Sanda, of the department of Public Administration,The Polytechnic,Ibadan refers to as the black Nubian emigrants. The Nubians were black, they occupied present day Sudan, which was an integral part of the Egyptian Empire. The vocabulary, body scarification, and religious discourse resemble those of the Ijebus and more so, the Itsekiri. The 1984 Awujale’s coronation manual will make this manifest. These migrations occurred about 500BC.

A third wave of migration took place between 90BC and 30BC. The present writers feel the personality called Oduduwa, came in that migration trend.

A fourth migration will correspond to the Christian conquest of Egypt, about 100AD.

The last wave of migration will correspond to the Arab enforced emigration, between 700AD – 1100AD, when the Arabs had consolidated their control over Egypt; they chased the last batch of traditional worshipping Egyptians from Egypt. This occurrence would have led to many Yoruba claiming that their ancestors were chased from somewhere in the Middle East for not accepting Islam.

The proof of archaeology

There has been a dearth of archaeological researches in Nigeria. Whatever research has been done is not final, for new finds can be found in future.

The most ancient archaeological finds in Nigeria are the following: (1) the relic at Iwo Eleru (with a radio carbon date of about 12,000BC). Iwo Eleru is close to Akure, Ondo State. (2) The findings at Igbo-Ukwu of about 6000BC. (3) The findings at the Mejiro cave near Oyo (about 4000BC). The Nok culture that is more than 1000BC. (4) The Oke-Eri walls and graves purported to be more than a thousand years. The walls are reputed to be the biggest in the world, but for the walls of China. (5) The bronze heads at Ife about 1000AD. (6) The bronze heads at Benin about 1400AD. This might authenticate the Ife claim that the Binis got the civilization of bronze casting from the Ifes. Both the Binis and the Ifes claim that Igueghae was the one who taught the Binis how to cast bronze, during the reign of the Oba Oguola, fourth king from Eweka, the son of Oramiyan, a distant descendant of Oduduwa from Ife.

THE LINGUISTIC LINKAGES

According to the studies of philology and etymology, most of the languages in Nigeria in the Kwa group of languages have a meeting point. The Yorubas and Idoma separated some six thousand years ago; while the Yoruba and Igalas separated about 2 thousand years ago; two thousand years ago corresponds to the time that the Yoruba dialects: Ekiti, Ijebu, Oyo, Itsekiri, Ilaje, Ikale etc started having distinct dialectical identities.

Linguistic studies have indicated that Yorubas in the Eastern Flanks of the Yoruba nation; Ekiti, Yagba, Kabba, Owo, Ijebu, Itsekiri and to some extent the Ifes, speak the most ancient Yoruba dialects. Glottochronological studies have shown that the dialects in the south east are more ancient than those of central Yoruba land and western Yoruba land. The table displays it further still.

A table showing east to west ancientness of the Yoruboid languages.

ENGLISH ITSEKIRI YORUBA OYO – YORUBA
RESPECT OGHO OWO
MONEY OGHO OWO
LOOK GHO WO
SAY GIN WI
FORBID GHO( r ) WO( r )
THEM AGHAN AWON

The table shows that the Itsekiri dialect retains the more ancient “gh” or “g” guttural sound to the more liquid “w” of the Oyos.

If it is taken that the Yoruban ruling class came from Egypt, the southern Yoruba block, particularly the Itsekiri, would have served as an initial stopping point and a secondary course of dispersal. The table displays it further still

EGYPTIAN ITSEKIRI-YORUBA OYO-YORUBA
ADUMU (Water god) ADUMU (Water god) ADAMU (A god)
Kuku (Darkness) Okuku (Darkness) Ouku (Darkness)
Dudu (Black Image of Osiris) Dudu (black ) Dudu ( black )
Omi (Water) Omi (Water) Omi (Water)
Heket-Re (Frog god) Ekere (Frog) Akere (Frog)
Horise (Sky god) Orise (Sky god) Orisa (A god)
Hika (Evil) Ika (Evil) Ika (Evil)
Shu (Evil god) Eshu (Evil god) Eshu (Evil god)
Co-opted from 500 word-word correlation between, Yoruba and Egyptian languages .

From the above, it means that the eastern Yoruba blocs such as the Itsekiri, Ilaje, Ijebu and the Owo are more cognate with the Egyptian than those of Oyo or Ife. .

The Awujale has testified that the Itsekiri are speaking the original Ijebu dialect. . This is why Bolaji Idowu derived the origin of Oritse to the Itsekiri-Owo axis within the eastern Yoruba kingdoms, 

It is proper here to state that the word “Orise” is almost cognate with the Egyptian, Horise. Both deities represent very high gods,  Both deities were first water divinities before they became sky or heavenly divinities. Both words are derived from identical etymological origins. Hori(Ori) means head in both places. “Se”, means a source in both places. Thus both words mean a source of creation in both places. This type of linguistic similarity or identity cannot have arisen by mere accident - there was a concrete historical intercourse. The Binis call God Oyisa, an [adaptation] of the eastern Yoruba form,


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Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by gadogado(m): 11:49pm On Sep 21, 2009
@all

if ancient egyptians were black then who are the modern day egyptian copts and who did they decsend from?
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by grafikdon: 11:49pm On Sep 21, 2009
naijaking1:

This one get mouth like Calabarman-o

Yep. . . he looks like one  Idongesit (Pronounced "Idon-ghesi"wink from Ikot-Ekpene.
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by Kobojunkie: 11:51pm On Sep 21, 2009
gadogado:

@all

if ancient egyptians were black then who are the modern day egyptian copts and who did they decsend from?

There is the possibility that Ancient Egyptians were blacks, but the claim that they were Nigerians just goes too far for me and for verifiable evidence out there. I mean it is as outrageous as claiming all of Africa came from Nigeria at some point or that the origin of man is from a place in Nigeria. grin
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by Nobody: 12:25am On Sep 22, 2009
''A Copt (Coptic: ou.Remen kīmi en, Ekhristianos, literally: Egyptian Christian) is a native Egyptian Christian.

Copts form a major ethno-religious group that has ancient origins.

Copts are Egyptians whose ancestors embraced Christianity in the first century

Ethiopian and Eritrean Christians (and Nubians before their conversion to Islam) were traditionally referred to as Copts.''


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copt
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by bawomolo(m): 12:37am On Sep 22, 2009
great bini's were egyptians too.


you guys are some history revisionists. chei
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by Nobody: 12:49am On Sep 22, 2009
I had to laugh when I thought about the Copts.

Today when you see a Copt, it's a white guy.

But, like everything else, Africans were the first Copts.

Just like Africans were the first Jews.

The first Canaanites.

The first Egyptians, and (believe it or not)

The first GREEKS.

I will show on this forum in due course, evidence showing that Africans - by which I mean negroid Africans - took their great civilization to all corners of the globe, to myriad barbarous peoples, and in fact, did constitute:

The first civilized Europeans.

The first civilized Chinese.

The first civilized Indians, and

The first civilized Americans.

Stay tuned.
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by Kobojunkie: 12:56am On Sep 22, 2009
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! shocked
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by bawomolo(m): 12:59am On Sep 22, 2009
the first Alien was black,
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by Nobody: 1:13am On Sep 22, 2009
kobojunkie said:

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Well, I must admit I was pretty flustered as well when I learnt the info, though I didn't quite use that expression.

More like Ahaaaaaaaah!  grin
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by Gamine(f): 1:16am On Sep 22, 2009
White folk are aliens, i read that today *nods head*

Also, in more recent news

Will Smith is going to star as Taharqa, in The Last Pharaoh
now i cant wait to watch that! lets see how they represent the facts

Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by ezeagu(m): 5:02pm On Sep 22, 2009


Okay, now thats an Igbo guy. shocked grin cool
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by ezeagu(m): 5:06pm On Sep 22, 2009
Anybody saying Egyptians couldn't possibly come from Nigeria is an arse. If they said they came from Germany and wrote it in a mandatorily taught high school/university history book, it would be not only possible, but undeniable.
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by Gamine(f): 5:12pm On Sep 22, 2009
Anybody saying Egyptians couldn't possibly come from Nigeria is an arse. If they said they came from Germany and wrote it in a mandatorily taught high school/university history book, it would be not only possible, but undeniable.

Dude, abeg re-read your post, maybe you will see how **** it is.

i thought Nigeria is just 49 years old shocked

Okay, now thats an Igbo guy. Shocked Grin Cool

im not surprised, una resemble monkee
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by Kobojunkie: 5:25pm On Sep 22, 2009
Gamine:

Dude, abeg re-read your post, maybe you will see how **** it is.

i thought Nigeria is just 49 years old shocked

im not surprised, una resemble monkee

Roflmao!!!
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by bawomolo(m): 5:42pm On Sep 22, 2009
im not surprised, una resemble monkee

ouch
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by Beaf: 5:49pm On Sep 22, 2009
@ROSSIKE

Don't let anybody derail you.
You should also consider doing some stuff on The Great Zimbabwe and the Edo kingdom. I am especially fascinated by the way Edo historians can provide dates for events that occured thousands of years ago.

Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by ezeagu(m): 5:51pm On Sep 22, 2009
Gamine:

Dude, abeg re-read your post, maybe you will see how **** it is.

i thought Nigeria is just 49 years old  shocked

When people say Nigeria don't they mean the area?

Gamine:

im not surprised, una resemble monkee

I think that was a sphinx, you know lion and human, maybe your not familiar with animals, or maybe you haven't left the pack enough to explore more of the nature reserve. Zoos can be quite diverse.
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by Nobody: 5:59pm On Sep 22, 2009
Thanks Beaf. I'll be back in a bit. grin
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by Kobojunkie: 9:03pm On Sep 22, 2009
UUmm,  Egypt could not possibly have come from Nigeria, because Nigerias have not always been indigenes of Nigeria, or even the region we now know as Nigeria. And if, according to some of the posts, Egyptians believed they were from somewhere in East Africa, not west africa. Are we then trying to conclude that East Africans came from Nigerian and then the Egyptians sprang from East Africa? Or is this that the Egyptians did not know where they were really from because according to us, they are definitely from Nigeria?

**can't believe I just posted that there***
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by morpheus24: 9:19pm On Sep 22, 2009
I would like to add that though I am of the agreement that Egypt was an African civilization and therefore "Black" as the term is used today. One should be careful when using this as an arguement. One must first define the loose term "Black" as there are others outside of Africa who share similar skin tones.

THere are obvious genotypical and phenotypical differences btw West Africans populations and North East African populations significant enough to describe each group as its own distinct population with distinct cultures.

However it has become clear that ancient Egyptians and other Africans have been proven to have more affinities in terms of the above stated terms more so than an English man from England, which dispells the "True Negro" Myth propagated by 19th and much of 20th century anthropology.

To use the term "Black" and "African" together to me is a misnomer
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by ezeagu(m): 9:21pm On Sep 22, 2009
Planet Earth and the human race 12,000 years ago, study it and study it weeelll people!


      Caucasoid race
Negroid race
Capoid race
Mongoloid race
Australoid race


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_humans)#20th_century
Re: Tomb Art From Ancient Egypt: A Black African Civilization (pics) by morpheus24: 9:27pm On Sep 22, 2009
^@ ezeagu

There is nothing such as a capoid or caucosoid race. This is outdated pseudo science. There are only human populatons clustered by similar pheno and Genotypes.

Please updated your studies.

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