babajeje123:
Rccg is not responsible for your joblessness. The primary assignment of every church is to teach people the word of God which is all encompassing. Rccg has institutions from primary to tertiary. Those teaching theur are not trees but humans who are not owe a kobo. The list of humanitarian services by the church is endless. If you wanna blame & ask silly questions, direct all to your political leaders who are saddled with the responsibility of making life comfortable for you.

babajeje123:
Rccg is not responsible for your joblessness. The primary assignment of every church is to teach people the word of God which is all encompassing. Rccg has institutions from primary to tertiary. Those teaching theur are not trees but humans who are not owe a kobo. The list of humanitarian services by the church is endless. If you wanna blame & ask silly questions, direct all to your political leaders who are saddled with the responsibility of making life comfortable for you.

eph12:
JW? Why?
You guys just like wasting cyber space. Many people have been employed by the redeem Church. Their houses for rent close to the camp is one of the cheapest with almost 24hrs electricity. It is not the job of the church to set up industries so you can be employed. Redeem has schools all over the country and those schools don't run themselves. The university is there also so what's your problem? Redeem is one Church that involves themselves in CDS. I also know they do visit remand homes, orphanage. They do help to clean up some streets. If you are jobless please don't blame this Church or any other church. Thanks.

IHate9ja1:

https://www.nairaland.com/3245920/see-what-jehovah-witnesses-go

paxonel:

and who are the spiritual father's of political leaders who never thought them morality in churches?
so u see, the government is not just the political leaders alone but everybody, including the likes of adeboye who have the opportunity to teach thousands of people, unfortunately he has not been teaching

IHate9ja1:

yes i dont have a job but excuse me i dont have an entitlement mentality or expectations from anyone to takecare of me as i am satisfied with the little i have, either i work or not my future is already taken care of, thus i speak for the poor masses on the street because you havent been kidnapped/harassed by beggars here in Ph.
But the question is why wont a church dedicate a whole service/gathering solely for that purpose....their purse is fat enough to do more.

babajeje123:

Please, when does it become the major reponsibility of the church to take care of the poor masses? What is Wike, your Governor doing to forestall kidnapping & harassment by beggars? He has that has his duties. That said, how sure are you that church is not philanthropic? They are doing it in their own way & not yours. So, stop criticising destructively.

IHate9ja1:

smiles.....i guess you are a pastor

babajeje123:

I don't need to be one before I defend the truth.

IHate9ja1:

smiles.....i guess you are a pastor. They are trying i know but honestly the poverty to rich gap ratio in the church is more,which is why so often you hear members thanking God for saving them from kidnappers after a heavy ransom was paid. We the members are the church itself,they need to do MORE in other to reach out to the masses,raising 45million once in a year for such deeds would go a long way rather than passing offering basket around for welfare offerings. I wish you were kidnapped here in PH to have a glimpse of what am saying.....

babajeje123:

May your wish for me come to pass in your life, Amen. Leave the church of God alone. She owns no one a kobo. Meet your political leaders who are embezzling in millions & billions for your alms.

babajeje123:

May your wish for me come to pass in your life, Amen. Leave the church of God alone. She owns no one a kobo. Meet your political leaders who are embezzling in millions & billions for your alms.

eph12:
JW? Why?
You guys just like wasting cyber space. Many people have been employed by the redeem Church. Their houses for rent close to the camp is one of the cheapest with almost 24hrs electricity. It is not the job of the church to set up industries so you can be employed. Redeem has schools all over the country and those schools don't run themselves. The university is there also so what's your problem? Redeem is one Church that involves themselves in CDS. I also know they do visit remand homes, orphanage. They do help to clean up some streets. If you are jobless please don't blame this Church or any other church. Thanks.

babajeje123:

You're totally wrong for saying Adeboye is not teaching. Are you kidding me? How else do you want him to teach? He organises Holy Ghost service every month, convention is on going, congress in December, Ministers' conference, Solemn assembly, he has written so many books that cut across every sphere of life. So, I ask again, what has he been doing organizing these programs? Your political leaders made the choice of their morals, just like a child will choice his morals despite his parents' teachings.

Jadonjack:


I really do not understand why you pple still argue this kinda things...

We pay taxes so we can enjoy the basic amenities provided with the money either free of charge or with little charges....

You talking about rccg schools, have you ever bn dere to find out how much it will cost you to study dere?!....

HYPOCRISY!!! That's wat I hate about religion, christianity especially.

Mtchw

paxonel:

and all the political leaders made the same choice to have the same mentality?
the point you fail to understand is, since Nigeria independence this country has been ruled by people of the same mentality till this moment.
Now, people like adeboye have the Bible to teach to correct the way people perceive life. But guess what? He keeps maintaining the teachings of missionaries who brought Christianity to Africa a long time ago without willing to research about what the Bible want people to understand , all because the people like the kind of teaching which correspond with the African way.
Now, take note of this,
Jesus says this Gospel of the kingdom must be preached, then shall the end come.
If this gospel of the kingdom is abandoned for religious holy ghost services and conventions, then, truly Nigeria will continue to be in soup.
Because, the redemption of Nigeria right now is in that Gospel of the kingdom.
You may say he has been preaching the gospel of the kingdom, but It's not enough preaching. We need explanations.
What is actually this God's kingdom Jesus was referring to in his parables?
it is huge and necessary curriculum to understand, but adeboye and all pastors in Nigeria are shying away from it.
in developed nations all these things have been sorted out a long time ago, its a very sensitive issue that require intelligence. but Africa is still lagging behind, perhaps, due to lark of intelligence to understand.
The question is what is God's kingdom on earth?
if anyone get the answer to that question that is the starting point.
Any pastor who educate his people about the kingdom of God can never be criticized, never.
even atheists and Muslims will be saying this man is real man of God.
But messages of repentance, give your life to christ* (this statement is yet to be understood),come to church, pray long prayer, prophecies, etc
They are taking away attention of people from the real thing, breed distrust(because they make pastors to acquire unnecessary wealth in the midst of hungry church members.

eph12:

Message of repentance is taking away Christians from the real thing? Please explain o.

paxonel:

Good,
God bless you.
i will just go straight to the Bible.
Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Now, repentance is simply making attempt to keep the law, it is not bad at all. But we should have it at the back our mind that the real thing that the Bible want people to understand is
Romans 3:28 says Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.(without repentance ).
Now, God's kingdom is the faith which justify people, this is the real thing pastors should let people know.
But they are not.
The implication of this is that, if people don't understand that God gave Jesus freely they will never make free giving a value in their day to day life. They will keep thinking of what will be their gain anytime the opportunity to give arises, a typical characteristics of the average Nigerian, which is seen in politicians.
But because, the general message is, if you don't repent you will go to hell fire (which is not true to christians ), they will think that this is the value of God,let us not be merciful(afterall, God is not merciful ), taking what we can get from people.
i don't know if you understand the concept?

eph12:

Seriously I tried reading everything.
I just need an answer to this question; if I steal, kill, commit adultery etc do I need to ask for repentance from God or not?

paxonel:

ask for forgiveness and repent?
ofcourse yes, it is the best thing to do.
but like i said, that does not make you part of God's kingdom.
anybody can repent, Muslims, atheists (find out the dictionary meaning of repentance, it means to have a change of heart, stop doing whatever... )
what makes you a Christian into God's kingdom is simply that you believe that Jesus is the Christ..which you have already done.
john 3:16 whosever believe should not perish but have eternal life.
It's a separate thing entirely from repentance. romans 11:6.
grace is a seperate thing entirely from works.
so, when adeboye stand in front of congregation telling christians if they don't repent they will go to hell?
i mean, i begin to wonder, what is he up to?

eph12:

Wow! That easy? So I can go on doing what I like. Lie steal destroy etc. I just need to believe that Jesus is the Christ and am safe? I don't need to practice it just believe? Thanks for this explanation bros.

eph12:
JW? Why?
You guys just like wasting cyber space. Many people have been employed by the redeem Church. Their houses for rent close to the camp is one of the cheapest with almost 24hrs electricity. It is not the job of the church to set up industries so you can be employed. Redeem has schools all over the country and those schools don't run themselves. The university is there also so what's your problem? Redeem is one Church that involves themselves in CDS. I also know they do visit remand homes, orphanage. They do help to clean up some streets. If you are jobless please don't blame this Church or any other church. Thanks.

blueseacats:
In organized countries, churches are full time charity organization, helping alleviate poverty not taking from the rich to enrich themselves. The Nigerian church has failed the Nigerian masses but it's not their fault, just that they are taking advantage of a totally failed system.

eph12:

I would appreciate it if you mention those churches in your organized countries that are full time charity organization. It's obvious you know nothing about the charity work churches in Nigeria engage in. I don't blame anyone for that though because our problems are so enormous that a little help here and there don't even have any effect.

eph12:

I would appreciate it if you mention those churches in your organized countries that are full time charity organization. It's obvious you know nothing about the charity work churches in Nigeria engage in. I don't blame anyone for that though because our problems are so enormous that a little help here and there don't even have any effect.