MrPresident1:


Sweety, Genesis 24:53 looks like the payment of a dowry, but again it was only a bethrotal. It was only after Isaac had taken her that bible says she became his wife vs 67.

Babe, tough meat will make you cry o

MuttleyLaff:
Ha bow out ke.
O pari, you don deflate the brother growing tent now, sorry about the pun

analice107:

Make him vary go. Na MrPresident1 him be.

analice107:

You don swim finish?

MuttleyLaff:
MrPresident1 is just harmlessly sporting with you.

Yep. Drying up and about leaving.
They close at six.

analice107:
You see my phone don go spell vary for emsef wey nah carry I type. It's well oo.

MuttleyLaff:
When am on the phone, the same thing happens, the phone starts flexing like say the jayro get a mind of its own, but I literally slap it on the head the moment it tries second guessing and changing what I've originally typed. I always give it a close marking to check it pulling a fast one on me.

analice107:

I have tried to readjust it, It didn't work. It's very embarrassing. I type a word, it brings another word entirely word.

analice107:

Have you met me? Bring it on.

My point is, Isaac and Rebecca didn't go running around committing fornication before their parents knew that they were to marry. It done right. There was no premarital sex between them.

AnalyticEngine:
A very ridiculous analysis. I'll be back later

analice107:

No sir MrPresident1. I don't read fake Bible. I have Four hard copies, different translations and 3 soft copies. So am not reading one translation.
Honey, Mary and Joseph Jeaus' earthly parents were poor. That they were from the lineage of David didn't automatically make them rich.

And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,

And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.

You think Joseph and Mary were wealthy people yet Nathaniel would ask "Can any thing good come out of Nazareth?"

And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
John:7:15

Amplified Bible John 7:15 The Jews were astonished. They said, How is it that this Man has learning [is so versed in the sacred Scriptures and in theology] when He has never studied?

Jesus was of noble birth, yet he couldn't read?
I don't want to banter with my President. So, I'll bow out here.

MuttleyLaff:
Ha bow out ke.
O pari, you don come deflate the brother's growing tabernacle tent now, sorry about the pun

MuttleyLaff:
Every one is blessed with moveable assets or the other


You must build this Tabernacle and its furnishings exactly according to the pattern I will show you
- Exodus 25:9 NLT

Let's stick with the tabernacle shall we.
Leave out the temple Solomon built because David was refused to build it due to the Hittite's blood on his hands

The ''Tabernacle of the congregation'' and if loosely translated it is the '' tent of meeting''
aka the ''tabernacle of the testimony''
aka the ''house of the Lord'
aka a ''sanctuary'' is a physical structure and symbolic one or figurative one too

The Israelites gathered their to worship God etc hence the coinage the Tabernacle of Congregation.

It was a free standing structure brah, which is even every aspect of its make-up is symbolic

Stop that Oshogbo weed or is it bath salts? LOL

lepasharon:
Jesus should have gone to uni

MrPresident1:
Tell me about the assets you are blessed with , are your assets in front or at the back or both?

MrPresident1:
Stop quoting NLT bible, that is a dead bible doctored to keep the dead completely and permanently dead!

MrPresident1:
Which one is Oshogbo weed or bath salts

MrPresident1:
The temple according to the dimensions given was just about the size of a basketball court, how could the whole of Israel fit into such a space? it was all symbolic language. The difference between Moses' tabernacle of congregation and Solomon's temple is that Solomon was actually authorized to build the temple, Moses could not call his own a temple because they had not yet gotten to the place where God would choose 'to place His name there'.

Both Moses' tabernacle of congregation and Solomon's temple were capital cities. Moses' capital in the wilderness on the way to the Promised land, and Solomon's capital in the promised land.

MrPresident1:


I have answered the question of Jesus' learning earlier in this thread. Jesus had access to the best of education, the one available to only the highest nobility. He was also greatly endowed with wisdom from God.

Luke 2:46-47
46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.
47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.

John 7:15-17
And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?
16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself.

The Jews were marvelled because Jesus did not school with the Pharisees or the Saduccees yet he had deep knowledge of the letters (or the Law). It was not that he could not read that they marvelled at, it is the fact that Jesus was expounding Scriptures in the deepest sense, in a radically new way far different from the sanctimonious puritanism of the Jewish leaders.

MrPresident1:


Actually, sex is marriage. In the eyes of THE MOST HIGH, sex is marriage. There is no such thing as premarital sex, once you enter the place you must remain in the place forever, otherwise it becomes sin.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at;

Actually again, it is YAH Himself who calls into the deeper secrets of His book, you take a step towards Him, He takes several steps toward you.

MrPresident1:


Is it a China phone? Nokla or Samsong?

MrPresident1:


The Bible did not mean that Joseph was a carpenter in the sense of today’s meaning of the word. In ancient times, the word ‘carpenter’ was used to describe the elite, the learned and wise men, the kings and princes of ancient Israel, the highest levels of nobility.

MrPresident1:

Matthew 13:55
Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

MrPresident1:
The Nobility of ancient Israel are described as carpenters and smiths because they were the ones who built the temple of God, the temple of God is the heart of man, they were the learned men of old who led the people and taught them the law and commands and statutes of THE MOST HIGH GOD

AnalyticEngine:
[size=5pt]The conclusion of your argument is that the immediate family of Jesus as at that time was among those of the highest social class. Excellent.

Let's include Matthew 13:54
When He had come to His own country, He taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished and said, “Where did this Man get this wisdom and these mighty works?

My friend, their amazement at his teachings definitely suggest that Jesus was not from a noble class. The display of impeccable wisdom was expected of the elite only.

The premises of and inductions from your argument is that between the days of temple building and the days of Jesus;
1. ALL carpenters and smiths built the God's temple
2. Either the same carpenters and smiths who built the temple were still alive as at the time Jesus began his ministry or ALL their children continued with their parent's trade.
3. Should anyone have opened a workshop during the time of Jesus where he supplies such services like carpentry, he automatically is an elite
4. Not only were the nobles artisans, smiths etc, they doubled as teachers of the law (adduced from your argument). Therefore, Pharisees and Saducees were carpenters and smiths.

Your argument is fantastically invalid.

The following scriptures do not support your claims of Jesus being of the highest level of nobility:

“For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ,
that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes He
became poor, that you through his poverty might be
rich.” (2Co 8:9)

 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men (Phil 2:7)

Mary could sacrifice only two turtle doves which was a poor households sacrifice for the
purification of child birth (Lev 12:2-8; Luk 2:24).

If the family of Jesus was among the highest nobles of their time, he certainly would have been buried in their own noble tomb. Instead, he was buried in a rich man's tomb. That the bible emphasised he was buried in a rich man's tomb shows he was not from the elite class else it might not have been necessary to mention it.

When I used the word 'ridiculous' to describe your your premises and the conclusion of your argument, I do not mean it to insult you. I used it in an attempt to accurately describe the nature of your argument[/size]

BAZETU12:
Don't let any white man to deceive you any more about jesus

BAZETU12:
Don't let any white man to deceive you any more about jesus

MuttleyLaff:
Is this how you grow your tent? With smutty jokes?
Go sit down elsewhere or go to a corner and pitch a tent there.

MuttleyLaff:

I don't intend to lose any sleep quoting NLT bible because quoting it was a random selection
Dont lose sleep over it

analice107:

Hahahahahahahaha. You mean Jesus had the best of education by listening to Lawyers talk just for one day? It was just one day MrPresident1. 1day. He and his family lived in Nazareth, and from there they came to a pass over feast. And on the day they should return, Jesus had gone into the Temple, they left believing he was with them, after like a days journey, they discovered he wasn't with them, they went around looking for him, they found him in the temple listening and asking questions. That's the Noble education you mean?

Why are we even having this discussion?
It doesn't matter whether Jesus was educated or not. His mission on earth wasn't to get education, but to die, and he died. My sins are atoned for, he promised to send me the Holy Spirit, he did. He promised to return, am expecting him, that's what I shd be talking about.
Good morning your excellency.

analice107:

Yes MrPresident, Sex is Marriage. In the sense that, Sex consummates Marriage. It ties people together. That's why it shouldn't be done except couples have tied the knots.

I don't know what you mean by "There's no such thing as PREMARITAL SEX" All the sex we are running around having is called what?
If SEX IS MARRIAGE going by your context, all the chicks you have had sex with are your wives?
Your Excellency sir, any sex you have when both of your families (male and female), have not agreed to become one family in marriage "BEFORE GOD" (as Christians), is termed as Premarital sex sir.

analice107:

Ifinix Hot 2. My iPhone refused to give me identify in NL. Dey phone Stressed me trying to register an account. Anytime I come in with the iPhone, I remain a guest. BB holds my other identify.

AnalyticEngine:


The conclusion of your argument is that the immediate family of Jesus as at that time was among those of the highest social class. Excellent.

Let's include Matthew 13:54
When He had come to His own country, He taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished and said, “Where did this Man get this wisdom and these mighty works?

My friend, their amazement at his teachings definitely suggest that Jesus was not from a noble class. The display of impeccable wisdom was expected of the elite only.

AnalyticEngine:

The premises of and inductions from your argument is that between the days of temple building and the days of Jesus;
1. ALL carpenters and smiths built the God's temple
2. Either the same carpenters and smiths who built the temple were still alive as at the time Jesus began his ministry or ALL their children continued with their parent's trade.
3. Should anyone have opened a workshop during the time of Jesus where he supplies such services like carpentry, he automatically is an elite
4. Not only were the nobles artisans, smiths etc, they doubled as teachers of the law (adduced from your argument). Therefore, Pharisees and Saducees were carpenters and smiths.

Your argument is fantastically invalid.

AnalyticEngine:

The following scriptures do not support your claims of Jesus being of the highest level of nobility:

“For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ,
that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes He
became poor, that you through his poverty might be
rich.” (2Co 8:9)

 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men (Phil 2:7)

Mary could sacrifice only two turtle doves which was a poor households sacrifice for the
purification of child birth (Lev 12:2-8; Luk 2:24).

AnalyticEngine:

If the family of Jesus was among the highest nobles of their time, he certainly would have been buried in their own noble tomb. Instead, he was buried in a rich man's tomb. That the bible emphasised he was buried in a rich man's tomb shows he was not from the elite class else it might not have been necessary to mention it.

When I used the word 'ridiculous' to describe your your premises and the conclusion of your argument, I do not mean it to insult you. I used it in an attempt to accurately describe the nature of your argument.

MuttleyLaff:
ROTBL welcome to MrPresident1's world of eisegesis

Just a throw him a rope, trust he'll either use it as a life line to get out of the hole he's digging himself in or use it to tangle himself up more with it.

TrajansKong:


85% of the Nigerian population will never [b]EVER[/b]begin to comprehend or accept this.

We take every single word in the Bible as literally true. Without question.

For us talking snakes, talking donkeys and women turning into pillars of salt have greater reality and more genuine presence and meaning than our immediate biological families.

MrPresident1:


My friend, go through the thread again read from the beginning, open your Bible and follow the thread/tutorial step by step.

Jesus was of the house of David, the house of David is the nobility of Israel, do you understand? Romans 1:3

MrPresident1:


Israel had devolved greatly by the time Jesus came on the scene, the house of David was no longer in power, Israel was under Roman rule at this time, Jesus being described as a carpenter's son is to show the nobility of his birth Jeremiah 29:2

When Nebuchadnezzar deported Israel burned Jerusalem, the Bible records that he carried captive the carpenters and the smiths to his temple in babylon, carpenters and smiths are figurative descriptions of the teachers, the learned men, and the nobility, men who built the temple of God, the temple of God is the heart of man. Carpenter as used in the Bible is different from carpenter as used in contemporary society. The Pharisees and the Sadducees were bad carpenters, they were not building the temple of God aright, they were bad workmen , Timothy was a good workman, all good pastors are good workmen, all bad pastor are bad workmen.

MrPresident1:

You are nauseatingly ignorant.

MrPresident1:


The house of David was not king over Israel during the time of the incarnation of Jesus, Jesus was a man until the Holy Spirit conceived him (I do not expect you to understand this), Jesus was rich, yes! because David is king over Israel, but he came lowly to fulfill the purpose of his coming, he was to come and die, his kingdom had not yet come! So he was rich, but he came lowly to fulfill the purpose of his coming, does this lowly incarnation of his remove from his nobility as a son of David?

MrPresident1:


Humble yourself, it is your arrogance and pomposity that did not allow you to grasp the truth, and has made you clutch at straws till date , (I have an inkling who you are).

MrPresident1:


More nausea inducing ignorance. If you had humbled yourself, and tried to learn, you wouldn't be here today spouting stomach churning nonsense at this epoch in the evolution of knowledge, arrogance destroyed you. Shame! Take note, I am not arguing with you or anyone, if you do not understand me, it just simply means it is not in you, that is just as easy as it is. Jesus said his own sheep will hear his own voice.

MrPresident1:


There were all written in allegories, the Bible was not meant to be understood literally, the words were meant to be seen in pictures, they were not meant to be taken literally. Jesus was from David, that he came lowly, does it remove from the fact that he was of the highest nobility? Does it? It was his purpose, the purpose of his incarnation demanded a low estate, but he was rich!

MrPresident1:


In conclusion, Jesus Christ is not a single person, under that name is a composite of characters, therefore everything said to have been done by Jesus Christ is allegories with deeper meaning when examined compositely.

MrPresident1:


Maybe the phone is Hiphone , the 'H' was sandpapered away so you were conned into buying Hiphone instead of iphone