KingEbukasBlog:


Acknowledging the existence of a creator is rational . Science remains a killer of atheism.

According to renowned physicist Michio Kaku

"I have concluded that we are in a world made by rules created by an intelligence .Believe me, everything that we call chance today won't make sense anymore. To me it is clear that we exists in a plan which is governed by rules that were created, shaped by a universal intelligence and not by chance."

There is no proof Christianity has a bad effect.

Lol . Christianity deplores the despicable acts of those people in the past even before they did it

It is not because of Hell exactly . A Christian is a follower of Christ and He exhorts us to attain perfection like God . The passion to be like Christ restrains us from committing to sin or erring.

Again , I consider Christianity as a lifestyle and then a religious affiliation .

Faith is substantial . The role faith plays sometimes is impalpable .

Christ commands us to love our enemies and the bible adjures us to be united in faith

Africa is backward because some still hold unto to primitive religions and of course the high illiteracy level

Do you know that it was Christianity that brought us education ?

Everyone both atheist and theists exercise faith . You believe God does not exist because of faith or else you are all knowing human which you of course you are not .

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In other words you're a theist with no belief in any of the gods that are worshipped today. Just so you know, I feel the same way too, but I stayed true to Catholicism because it's saner than the rest and because it has served as an efficient medium to God.

As sure as eggs is eggs.

People that feel the need to be emotionally dependent on others you mean to say. Not everyone feels the need. Not everyone fancies emotional baggage.

Eating and sleeping? Like seriously? I'm talking about humanity's purpose on earth and you're talking about eating and sleeping? Why not say breathing as well. You're trivializing this discourse.



Nairaland is purposeful in keeping your finger on the pulse of Nigerian news, and also to blow off steam. But it isn't the purpose of humanity on earth, which was my initial question. You are terribly tergiversating.

Fine, that's why I said we can always agree to disagree.

Did you miss the part where I said that my claims were subjective?

And just as it is wrong for me to assume that everyone needs to hope for an afterlife to lead a purposeful life, so also is it wrong for you to assume otherwise.

You can take me to court on the grounds of vicarious liability

If you experience it then how can you not look at others who haven't—probably out of their non-belief in God—and not feel complete pity for them or consider their existence to be without purpose?

You attach too much importance to material things. That's your problem.

This statement is too ambiguous. Clarify please. Which one is mama abeg?

Why the affront on Christianity?, especially when I never tried to make a case for it on this thread? Ad Hominem sniping do not bode well for your argument.

Unlike you I don't see it as punishment. I see it as a fire-test, a test of character and faith.

You said you believe in GOD, but do not believe in a God that punishes people for the mistakes of their forefathers. Fine!! then why did the God you believe in put you in a turbulent world—a world filled with vices, war, terrorism, pedophilia, serial killer and rapists?

How is the god (the one you believe in) that placed you amidst these whirlpool of calamities any different from the one that punishes people for the deeds of their forefathers as you erroneously posited?

Like I said earlier, I never made a case for Christianity here. All these affronts on the Bible and Christianity are uncalled for.

Yet you say you believe in a god (and distance yourself from religion)

Once again, how is that your God that created you to live in a world brimming with wickedness any different from the so-called 'punitive, revengeful, ego-driven God'? As you can see, our gods are bedfellows? Probably twin brothers

And millions like me also feel the same way about people who live only for today (without consideration for tomorrow) and who do not believe in God or have any hope of an afterlife. We see them as people existing for the mere fun of it and that there's no substance to there existence. So it's a 50-50 situation.

That's not what I said. I was talking about morality in generally, and that it is but a sham.

Look at the comment I first made that bordered on morality:



Did I mention any thing like religion or God in that comment? Dyslexia's a bîtch



As I said above, I said nothing of this sort. Only God knows where you're getting all these from.



Actually most people are not. Most people only conform to rules for fear of either being punished or being caught. That's de facto.

We are not talking about Christians or Moslems here, but the savagery and egocentric nature of humans in general.

Your comprehension ability seems to be on the fritz this morning. What happened? You didn't get enough sleep or what?

Once again I never said religion made people act right. You're committing the Straw man fallacy here.

I said the threat of sanction contained in our laws and rules are why we have morality, and not because it is innately in the human nature to be moral. Try to understand me before giving quick-whir responses.

Yes, and we created laws to regulate our coexistence, and the punishment meted out to defaulters who break these rules are what compelled people to be morally upright, and not because it is innately in our nature. That's my point, a simple point you're not getting.

Unlawful killings, homicide, and by extension, suicide, is a big deal because it is a crime against humanity. Natural and unavoidable deaths is not a big deal. The lord giveth and the lord taketh away

Hasty generalization. Where is your proof? Any statistics to validate this spurious, obnoxious statement. . .?

I get it. You're just being purposely ridiculous to frustrate me. Not gonna happen

You saved your child first because selfishness is ingrained in the human nature, and because we are not innately moral or public-spirited. That's the plain truth, stop trying to justify your actions with that motherly instinct crap.

Are you a mother to only your child? A mother is meant to be a mother to all. Or are the lives of the other 5 innocent people worth less than the life of your child?

It makes her self-centered if she cannot sacrifice the life of her child to save the lives of 5 people. Where is the commonweal in her actions? Isn't her motherly instincts supposed to spread across to other people as well? A mother is meant to be a mother for all, not just for one.

You just confirmed the innate selfishness of the human nature with your answer, and that morality is a sham. Thank you for making me win this debate so easily

Look at you . . .yelping like a cornered and wounded fox. You're only ranting 'cause you fell into my trap

All I asked for you to solve the Trolley problem and the Footbridge dilemma, wetin concern the Christian God with that one?

I got you when I wanted. . .right up in the jugular

You would save your child because of motherly instinct. Motherly instinct is biological and extremely normal, and from an isolationist point of view(one void of religious bias or the 'false sense of morality we've been dappled in for centuries) I'd say you made the right decision by disregarding the lives of the other 5 people and allowing your motherly instinct survival-of-the-fittest instinct to decide your decision-making process. Kudos once again, and you've only proven me right: morality is a sham because humans are self-centered and innately immoral.

I only asked you to field those two questions to point out to you that we are not moral or public-spirited by nature. Morality is/was an artificially-induced social conditioning, and accreditation has to go to Theism (not Christianity) for this 'false sense of morality' that has kept humanity extant and in one piece.

winner01:
All the techonological gadgets you are screaming was motivated by theists.

Which place in the bible confirms your first paragraph.

You people should just keep crying angrily, religion has been attacked since the 14th century and been predicted to die off even before the16th century. This is the 21st century and more than 3/4 of the worlds population is still religious, and the number has been predicted to increase over the next 70 years. Seems to me like you will be crying for a really long time.

Mindfulness:

How is Catholicism saner than - let's say - Protestantism?

I guess you stayed true to Catholicism because like most people you stick to the religion with that you grew up

So you are seriously telling me that money, women, family and knowledge mean sh.it to you?
Kontinu.

You don't get the point. You don't have to tell me what you think of all this one by one since these are nothing but examples of the things that matter to people and serve them as a purpose irrespectively of the promise of a paradise. Most people have more than one purpose in life and it changes in different phases of their life

The point is that you claim that everyone must believe in God nd pardise or else life has no purpose. And I say, FOR YOU!

Most atheists do not consider their life senseless or needless or without purpose. It's you who needs the comfort of this promise. Not everyone else does. Some people like the idea of it all coming to an end some day. People are different. There are even cultures that believe tht you can be re-born as a rat or a fly and live with it. It's strange to you, it's not to them

Eventually.
No, I didn't but I remember you saying that the atheist stance can be destroyed when one considers the purpose of life, which for you is the hope for paradise and it was important to me to point out that people have different views on what the purpose of life is.
No, it'S not the same because I accept that some people need this hope whereas others don't and I am perfectly at pece with this knowledge but you try to convince people that there must be a God or else you would feel like your life has no purpose. I believe you are actually trying to convince yourself

Nice diversion tactic. So explain to me why I would have to suffer for the b.itchy behavior of Eve who God is actually responsible for because it was God who created her curios and put this freaking apple in front of her nose

Now I and my family and my children and grandchildren and generations to come have to suffer for the mistake of two people? And it makes sense to you, like seriously?

And then he goes on to have his son crucified in the cruelest of ways nd yet it is not enough

Come on

Instead of pitying other people who don'T feel bad in the absence of something they don't know, I choose to enjoy this experience

I don't see how it's a problem to enjoy everything I worked for and was blessed with since it makes me feel good and feeling good is the purpose of my life - just a quick reminder.

I will tell you. You Christians have bastardized everything Jesus stood for. This dude must have been extremely cool. Christians are miserable creatures who believe that they came to this life to suffer so that God will consider them worthy of paradise. I value life too much to live it in misery

The All-Knowing needs to test your character even though he is All-Knowing. Does it make sense to you?

And when you die, he will say: Let's look at your sins. You were rude to your mum when you were five

nd ou kicked this boy in school when playing football and then you lied to your wife about not drinking so much beer

And you had premarital s.ex. And even though I created a strong se.xul drive in all humans and animals, you will be punished.

I love this world and I have no fear. I am an eternal being. No life experience - good or bad - is so important in the context of eternity.
All the bad experiences I have lived so far have served me very well. I have no regrets and I don't blame anyone physical or non-physical

You clearly argue from the Christian perspective so it's just logical that I will point to the incoherence of this set of beliefs

Clearly!
In the midst of the most terrible of circumstances, you can find well-being and peace. The sooner you learn to feel good unconditionally, the more control of your life, you will have

And yet what you have in common with those people is that like them ALL YOU HAVE is the PRESENT MOMENT. It's ALWAYS now. Yesterday and tomorrow only exist in your mind.
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And a few lines later he will ask me to provide statistics.

And yet you wonder why some people do not want or can't believe in God.
I don't share your views on human nature. I have never seen a wicked baby. Circumstances harden hearts but people are not bad by nature

Foul.
Then your initial argument that we need to believe in God is invalid. We need laws in this case

There are people who will do good even if nobody watches them. I know it's hard to believe when one is located in Nigeria but they exist

You are contradicting yourself. How is it a big deal to be taken away from this wicked world (your view) and taken to paradise?

Lead by example.

I am actually serious. Why are you so sad when people die when you are so convinced that there is an afterlife in PARADISE?

Yes and I have no problem with it. I am selfish! I love myself first and t's your social conditioning to believe that it's wrong to put yourself first

I am supposed to be the mother of all? Says who? You are confusing me with me Virgin Mary

Ask your mother if she loves the children of her neighbors as much as she loves you?

The five innocent people will go to paradise. Not much of a big deal, is it?

Have I carried the other people under my heart for nine month? You are a dreamer. I would always put my child first, most mothers would and if you consider it immoral, so be it. I have no problem with it.

I have not only confirmed it, I am proud of it.
I put myself first and when I feel good, I have the energy to move mountains for others as well. I have never seen a miserable person capable of helping others

One of the qualities of a trap is that it comes unforseen which is not the case here. Try again.

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You could get more if you opened the spirit to the teaching that could change your life for the better but it's ok, I believe you will get there some day. You have plenty of time, you are an eternal being.

You can ride it till tomorrow. Yes, I would save my child FIRST. This is what mothers do.
Only a Christian can claim that it is normal for a mother or father to sacrifice their child. This is the nonsense you have been reading in the Bible.

Ranchhoddas:
Great points. How would we know where to draw the line? What the OP and others do not realise is that a lot of people derive their morality from faith. A large number of people are good because of their hope in one afterlife or the other. Hardened criminals have ''discovered'' Christ or any other deity and become good. What the OP is advocating is going to lead to anarchy and chaos. No matter the amount of disdain you possess for religion, an unbiased analysis will lead you to the conclusion that its merits far outweigh the demerits.

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It is not happy-clappy for one (I mean in its manner of worship); it's better organized and the hierarchical constructs within the Church are well defined—from the Pope, Cardinals, down to the ordinary lay faithful—and so there are almost no cases of internescine power tussles as is the case of many Protestant churches.

And also because it's the first Christian denomination, and also because I cannot come to terms with the reasons (most times dubious) that necessitated the creation of other denominations. The Anglican Church for example was created to satisfy the selfish interests of King Henry XVIII (I suppose you know the back story)

Basically, I cannot reconcile with the history of Protestant churches and what necessitated their creation in the first place, and also because their mode of worship doesn't work for me.



No, I did not stick to Catholicism because of this reason.

Of course they matter to me, but they are not my sole raison d'être.

Nice move, though. Trying to use women to make me reconsider?.

Has it ever occurred to you that I might be an eunuch? Don't forget, women to an eunuch is like a nāked Scarlett Johnson to a Sam Smith.

And as an addendum I said that my statements were subjective. Please get you some reading glasses. I know of 20:20 vision. . . .yours is 20:dusty vision.

@bolded___gender inequality has been so ingrained in our subconsciousness that we do not even know when we are guilty of it.

Both Adam and Eve are responsible. . . . . . . not just Eve. Unless you're trying to say Adam was so daft that he couldn't think for himself?

And yeah. . . . Eve was a bîtch.

And the Bible never said the fruit was an apple. It never made mention of the name of the fruit in fact. I wonder why people assume it was an apple.

I never believed in the Adam and Eve tale. Direct your anger at the author(s) of the book of Genesis. The tale is just the Jewish variation of the creation story IMO.
There are many scriptural passages I do take not literally—the story of Noah/the flood etc—I just take them as allegories and tales dripping wet of didacticism.

He didn't crucify his son. The Jews and Romans crucified his son! Besides, he is still the same as his son (Holy Trinity doctrine), so basically the person that was crucified (Jesus) is still God himself, except he came as God the son.

The Greeks believed their gods came down and lived among them, who says the Christian God cannot do the same?

'They do not feel bad in the absence of something they do not know"

That statement reminds me of this popular saying: Ignorance is bliss. So basically, we, theists, have chosen the red pill while atheists have opted for the blue pill. Interesting

Tell me what you meant by that jare. . . .I would keep importuning you until you squeal.

@bolded___you're letting your emotions get in the way.

Your parents are Christians (after all you grew up in a Christian home). . . .are they miserable creatures?

I am a Christian. . . . .am I a miserable creature?

Yes it does, because we have free will. We are not programmed robots. We have the free will to do good or to do bad, and our stay on earth is a test to see who stays true and doesn't go astray.

No one has a senseness of touch when he/she is 5 years old. Age of reasoning begins at nine. Whatever you did before nine years old is just child's play because you had no judgment of what is right or wrong.

Trivia!!

Premarital sex is not a sin. . . . at least not to me. I don't care what the bible says about it, or what any pastor says. My dick, my rules.

This doesn't answer the question; you're just eddying around the same spot.

How is my God—whom you said was punitive and ego-driven—any different from your God that did not place you in an Utopian world, but rather in a world filled with pain, troubles, war, sickness?

You obviously have no answer to this. What kind of loving God puts his daughter in a world where she is exposed to gangbanging and of getting Oreo'd in the alley (that's if you're light-skinned and if you know what getting Oreo'd means ); what kind of God puts his daughter in a world where she is exposed to murder?; what kind of God puts his daughter in a world where she is exposed to racial discrimination and hate-crimes?

At this point you really need to stop hurling brickbats at the Christian God because yours that has placed you on the edge of a precipice and open to danger is no different. Now accept in humility that you just got your āss handed to you.

I made mention of Ogbanje and ghosts. How is that arguing from the Christian perspective?

Mindfulness:

Since you have more than one purpose in life, it should be easy for you to understand that other people - atheist or not - have more than one life purpose as well

You like women. I have been following you for some time now so I know.

Are you saying that you wouldn't enjoy them beautiful creatures if you knew that death was terminal or would you rather enjoy more of them?

All is well.
It's not about gender inequality. It's about the lack of logic behind such stories.
I knew you wouldn't disappoint. Someone with your intellect could never take those stories literally. Anyhow, they don't appeal to me any longer. Too negative for my liking. I am a posititve person and life is much easier this way

The Almighty allowed for mere mortals to crucify him? And it makes sense to you?

I believe that I am an extension of God's energy and everyone else is too.
It's not about ignorance.
Nothing more than that I love life and enjoy it.
My emotions are never in my way, they are my guidance.
Relative to me you are. I love this world and I love life. You hope that everything will be better when you die because all you focus on is evil, wickedness and sin. I kno what it's like. I have been there and it's hard but I am in a better place now without having to die first.

The All-Knowing doesn't know it after all?

Why hasn't anyone told me that before I got to nine?

Are you the judge?

But it's a sin according to your religion of everything that is fun should be suppressed because you need to pass a test. It's ok, you are a cherry picker, I like cherry-pickers, I am one too.

I have control over how I feel about this world and so my world is pretty much what people would call utopian. This is empowerment.

And you ask me whether I think that you are miserable? Yes, you are.
I love this world and I embrace contrast because that's exactly what made me stronger, wiser and smarter.
You are deeply rooted in this religion and your perception of the world is very much shaped by this religion that focuses on evil and sin unlike Jesus who focused on faith, love and his divine powers.

darkenedrebel:


It's hard not to like them. I mean, look at their soft baby skin, their come-hither mammary glānds, their sveltely ravishing crurals, and of course their ever-inviting glutes. It's hard not to. Trust me.

He did so to demonstrate his love for humanity and to pay the ultimate ransom for sin. What greater love could there be than for a man to lay down his life for his friends?

Okay.
That we have the free will to act as we wish doesn't make him any less omniscient. Why am I even bothering myself, this is like preaching to the choir 'cause you already have your mind made up.

How is kicking someone on the field as a child, or lying to your wife about drinking beer disqualify one from entering Heaven? If anything they are just venial sins. That's why I called them trivia.

Joseph was betrothed (not married) to Mary, and they cohabited while still not lawfully wedded. Unless I can see proof that Joseph never slept with Mary during this cohabitation period, which by the way is almost impossible considering the fact that they lived together and must have seen each other nāked at some point.

Contrary to what you think, religion does not dictate my life, neither do I follow it blindly. I do things that are not detrimental to myself and other people. Anything that's detrimental to me or others is my definition of sin. And premarital sex is not detrimental to me or anyone (thanks to condoms), so to me it is not a sin.

If I'm not supposed to have sex before marriage then I should have hit puberty at 25, not 11.

You may think you do, but only because you haven't seen life in its rawest form. What do you know? You were probably born with like a million golden spoons in your mouth and had mommy and daddy do everything for you.
Have you had to hold your best friend in your hands and watched him die? Or. . . . umm. . .never mind.

You can keep telling yourself what you want but life isn't fair. Most people that are happy with things are those that haven't had a slice of life, or those who choose to pretend that all is well, kinda like the placebo effect.

You keep telling yourself whatever you want but the world is full of shît. But hey, optimistic people like you are probably what the world needs right now.

Your words, not mine. You are free to believe whatever it is that you want. I find peace in my religion, that's all that matters.

Touchnot01:
Somehow, just somehow, seun and other atheist assume that every one wants to live the family man life. Some people want to go about on a killing spree because it makes them happy, who are atheists to tell these ones what to do.

Touchnot01:
Some people want to go about on a killing spree because it makes them happy, who are atheists to tell these ones what to do.

cloudgoddess:

Those are what are called psychopaths/sociopaths and they are an obvious danger to society. Which is why developed, secular countries have mental institutions to keep them from causing harm and even attempt to help them.

Seun:
Religion hasn't stopped people like Osama Bin Laden, Shekau, ISIS, etc from going about on killing sprees. It motivates the suicide aspect.

Yep. And prisons.

Acidosis:
I don't have to read the posts here, but why don't you all spend your time preaching against illiteracy?

Illiteracy rate in Nigeria is high; we have more illiterate than religious folks. Many people don't go to Churches by the way. However, we have more agberos on the streets of Lagos who cannot compose the simplest English statement.

To persons (e.g. me) who had the opportunity to gain education, sorry, a million atheists cannot convince me that there is no supreme being somewhere. Don't waste your time. We have gained enough education to know what's best for us.

Channel this energy to Illiteracy rate, it is almost higher in Nigeria than any nation in the world. (#fact from Data).

Seun:
Religious People Are Suffering & They Need Our Help

People often ask outspoken atheists why they like to argue with religious people. "If you don't believe in God", they ask, "why do you spend so much time attacking people's religious beliefs?" They often respond by saying, "religious people keep trying to impose their religious beliefs on us through evangelism and politics, so we have to defend ourselves." Atheists who don't feel threatened usually choose to remain silent. I used to be a pretty quiet atheist myself, until I noticed something about religious people that I hadn't noticed before. Religious people are suffering!

Religion is not a harmless delusion. It's not a benign folly that merely wastes people's time. It's a malignant malady that systematically robs the majority of humanity of their freedom, pleasure, joy, comfort, knowledge, intelligence, health, money, lives, and much more. It would be selfish of us as atheists who are free from religion not to make every effort to free people from religion so that they can have much better lives.

Many religious people are not allowed to have blood transfusions. This means thousands of religious men, women and children have died from treatable medical conditions, such as pregnancies with any kind of complications, non-fatal car accidents, treatable gunshot wounds, etc. simply because they are not allowed to accept blood transfusions. So many children have become orphans needlessly; so many men and women became widows and widowers; so many fathers and mothers lost their children. All because of a religious rule that make no sense at all.

Many religious people are forbidden by their religions from enjoying most of the good things in life. Things like secular or instrumental music, fine art, poetry, sculpture, owning dogs, wearing make-up, friendship with the opposite sex, eating ram meat, eating sausages, pleasuring yourself or the opposite sex, watching fantasy movies or reading fantasy novels like harry potter, making friends outside the religion, dancing, tattoos, playing ludo because it relies on luck, barbie dolls, sexy clothes etc. Can you imagine what your life would be like if you had to forgo most of these wonderful things? Horribly boring. You'd probably kill yourself. I guess that's why many religious people are violent.

Most religious people believe in the afterlife. As a result, instead of focusing on the current life and making it as enjoyable as possible for themselves, their friends, and family members, they often endure miserable lives in the hope that they'll be rewarded after they die. An extreme case of this is the case of suicide bombers and religious fighters who embrace violent deaths for the sake of an imaginary paradise.

Many religious people are pressured to give a sizable proportion of their income to the religious establishments they worship with. Poor people are taught that the best way to get rich is not to save their money and invest in education and entrepreneurship, but to "sow" it by giving it to their rich religious leaders who will use it to live flamboyantly, and build religious monuments to attract more cash cows. When this stupid idea of "sowing"doesn't make the poor people rich, they are told that it's because they don't have faith, have sin in their lives, etc.

Many religious people are made to believe that the secret to good health and healing is prayer, having been brainwashed by dishonest sermons and misleading testimonies. When they have health problems, instead of going to good hospitals, they embark on prayer and fasting. When their friends slump due to heart attacks or strokes or seizures, they start praying on them instead of rushing them to good hospitals where they can get competent medical help. People have died of curable diseases like malaria because they didn't accept treatment until it was too late.

Many religious people are tolerant and liberal by nature, but due to certain verses in their holy scriptures, they feel that they must be intolerant of various groups of people that God supposedly doesn't like, such as lesbians and transexuals. They are against abortion, which they think is murder, but also against sex education, which reduces abortion rates dramatically, because they think it may encourage premarital safe sex. As a result their daughters end up getting pregnant outside wedlock, having illegal abortions, and dying despite their opposition to abortion.

Many religious people are women, and it sucks to be them because the scriptures of the major religions are clearly sexist. One scripture claims that women must be quiet and submit to men because man were created first and woman came from man, which is rather suspicious because in real life it's women who give birth to men. Another scripture proudly asserts that woman are deficient in intelligence and piety. There are almost no female prophets, apostles or disciples. The few famous women in major scriptures are famous not for personal exploits but for giving birth to important men, marrying them, or leading them astray (Eve, Jezebel). Religious women can't live up to their full potential.

And don't even get me started on the horrible treatment of "demon-possessed" people (the mentally ill) and "child witches".

Clearly, religious people are suffering. Our parents, siblings, and children. Our friends, crushes, and admirers. Our colleague, bosses, and employees. To save them, we who are atheists must come out of our closets and start speaking out; challenging them and educating them.

faceland:
Don't try it, they would make sure you fail and blame your lack of faith. If you have sense, you would keep your unbelief to yourself.

Seun:
It's a trade-off. On one hand, being outspoken can lead to victimization, but on the other hand, it can make you feel much better and happier.

Seun!
If you really wanna prove your belief,then you can on the basis of the questions am about to throw!

If you're indded an atheist as you claim to be,then why are you against the protrayal of Homosexuality,Lesbianism,Transgender,Bi-sexuality on Nairaland Forum.

-I believe the reson many African and Asian countries have refused to legalize Homosexuality is on the basis of Religion and Culture.. They go pari-pasu. So why are you against them?

-According to research, Religion is the main reason why many Homosexuals become atheists,because no religion supports their sexual orientation. And here is Seun Osewa who claims to be atheistic and still bans Homosexuality? Isn't it rather ironical?


Conclusion:You're just an 'atheist' struggling in-between a dilemma of RELIGION and ATHEISM.

Your atheismm was largely influenced by the fact that the people you majorly look up to (Mark Zuckerberg,Bill Gates) are atheists. So you just felt so influenced and affluenced by their non-belief in God and felt you should just follow suit.

Many so-called atheists are mostly found in religion forums arguing with believers just because they are caught up in. A sine-qua-non situation of having to force themselves to believe their is no God and yet an "inner-voice" speaks to them that indeed there's God. (I don't need you to admit all I said,because I know that you know that I'm right).



Finally,I find it rather ludicrous for someone like you who spent your entire life so-far in Nigeria,a very religious nation with a lot of religious influence on her citizens tonly claim to be an atheist which further corroborates my initial opinions about your "new belief".


Reflect on these words. It's E.Cole Jnr signing out

JESUS is Lord

CaptEColeJnr:
Seun!
If you really wanna prove your belief,then you can on the basis of the questions am about to throw!

If you're indded an atheist as you claim to be,then why are you against the protrayal of Homosexuality,Lesbianism,Transgender,Bi-sexuality on Nairaland Forum.

-I believe the reson many African and Asian countries have refused to legalize Homosexuality is on the basis of Religion and Culture.. They go pari-pasu. So why are you against them?

-According to research, Religion is the main reason why many Homosexuals become atheists,because no religion supports their sexual orientation. And here is Seun Osewa who claims to be atheistic and still bans Homosexuality? Isn't it rather ironical?


Conclusion:You're just an 'atheist' struggling in-between a dilemma of RELIGION and ATHEISM.

Your atheismm was largely influenced by the fact that the people you majorly look up to (Mark Zuckerberg,Bill Gates) are atheists. So you just felt so influenced and affluenced by their non-belief in God and felt you should just follow suit.

Many so-called atheists are mostly found in religion forums arguing with believers just because they are caught up in. A sine-qua-non situation of having to force themselves to believe their is no God and yet an "inner-voice" speaks to them that indeed there's God. (I don't need you to admit all I said,because I know that you know that I'm right).



Finally,I find it rather ludicrous for someone like you who spent your entire life so-far in Nigeria,a very religious nation with a lot of religious influence on her citizens tonly claim to be an atheist which further corroborates my initial opinions about your "new belief".


Reflect on these words. It's E.Cole Jnr signing out

JESUS is Lord

JackBizzle:




Excuse me, please look-up the definition of "atheism" before you talk about atheism. It is because of ignorant comments like yours that more and more christians become atheists.

First of all Seun did not become an atheist because other rich people's lives. He examined the evidence and found that there was none for God. Also, the bible was found lacking and backwards for modern life.

A book that regulates slavery?
A racist God that put Jews above everyone?
A God that turns people into pillar of salt for looking back?


It is your choice to be a christian. However, note that the most developed nations have put christianity behind, their christian numbers dwindle every passing day. Europe becomes atheistic every other day. Even christianity is losing ground in America.


Again, I respect your choice to be a christian and I expect you to respect my choice not to be religious.

CaptEColeJnr:
But that happened. In the Old Testament,Lots wife turned into a pillar of. Salt because of the less grace. And enormous sins of mankind. Such a thing can't happen now because JESUS has died,he has shed his blood for ud,now there's abundant Grace and Mercy.

Seun:
Is that so? What about Ananias and Sapphira? See www.nairaland.com/3265021 for more.

I'm glad you raised the question of Ananias and Sapphira.
The church had just begun then,the new-converts knew little or nothing about their newly-found faith. Consequently,many of them would try to cheat God by lying to the apostles just for their own selfish benefits.

This was exactly what Ananias and his wife tried to do,but hence comes the question...... WHY DID GOD KILL THEM?

Because, the couple showed a great degree of Hypocrisy and Lies despite the fact that they were saved by the Holy Spirit.
Therefore,God made them the scapegoats in order to send a message to the church and to generations of. Christians to come that such grave sin wiould not be tolerated. The Church was new then,the believers were once idol-worshippers,so God needed tothem know that Christianity is DIFFERENT from every other religion.

Check Acts Chapter 5:11 (The whole church and allothers who heard of their death were terrified) that way they would think twice before cheating God. Their death served as a deterrent.

Let's look at Hebrews 12:8. (If you're not punished,as all his children are,it means you're not real children but bastards) that scripture alone justifies God's actions.

But God's grace is sufficient for we Christians,we are not killed despite our grave sins because of the Blood of Jesus! The grace increses every morning

CaptEColeJnr:
I believe the reson many African and Asian countries have refused to legalize Homosexuality is on the basis of Religion and Culture.. They go pari-pasu. So why are you against them?
JESUS is Lord

CaptEColeJnr:
Firstly,I don't know what da hell you meant by 'a book that regulates slavery' ... Because as far as. I've been reading the Bible, I have known that the Bible has always been against slavery,if not,why did God save the children of Israel from Egyptian slavery? Why did God also save them from Babylon? After ensuring they had learnt their lesson of disobeying Him, then he took them outta slavery.

faceland:


Based on the Old Testament, their are a lot of things you might NOT be proud of in the Holy Bible... First of all, God said he never changes (when the laws of Moses was written). A curse was placed on anyone who altered the law of Moses (even by a small comma).

God might have freed the children of Israel from slavery, but all he gave them once belonged to a sinful society. They took it by spilling of blood and force. They forcefully raped and married the virgin captive girls (and their are laws that regulates that). Of course, IT WAS OLD TESTERMENT.

Another thing that scars me is the stories of talking snakes, talking donkeys, fish swallowing someone and he lives in the belly, people hearing voices from burning bush that the fire didn't consume the bush (hallucination, because it was all in his head otherwise it would burn up: Laws of Nature) and so on. In Nigeria we hear of religious leaders duping/controlling the poor while they live in luxury. Citizens having hallucinations of witches flying, spiritual husband (lust), and so on. We need a society of rational thinking people, may be that part of the reason the country is so backward.

CaptEColeJnr:
[color=#550000]WHY DID GOD KILL THEM?
God made them the scapegoats in order to send a message to the church and to generations of. Christians to come that such grave sin would not be tolerated.

Seun:
That's really nasty. He could have sent the message without killing anybody. It suggests that God has not forsaken his bloodthirsty ways.

Ananias and Sapphira were Christians, yet God killed them, according to the bible. He might kill you tomorrow to send a new message.

4everGod:


He is evolving! He was once a passive, reclusive Atheist then he became a bit more outspoken, now he is demanding that all atheists should become outspoken, next is most likely Militancy. They never know until they get there because right now he is trying to recruit disciples.