claremont:

My point is this- The effective range of the rifle you love so much is similar to that of the AK-47 you despise. The ''maximum range'' means absolutely nothing because it cannot kill/injure a target at that range.

GBTYO:
The law states you can only own a licenced double barrel shotgun.

The firearm is restricted to cartridge shells only and not buck shots.

It is not to be carried in public and is restricted to hunting and home defense.

Pistols, semi automatic and full automatic rifles are completely haram.

Dane guns firing shells are allowed since you don't stand a chance in hell with that crap.

But that doesn't stop the fulanis from getting Ak-47 assault rifles.

GBTYO:

Dey there until fulani visit you

vickylala239:



He may not knw anytin abt the Gun....but he got d laffin spot on....Nairaland is Jst for fun as no one here intend to buy such gun in Nigeria... knwing it is illegal...

So his post was Jst for fun....you Dnt Hv to call him names...

If u ask me I will tell u, Ppl actually enjoy his post mre Dan yours...... you Dnt Hv to b over Crious Evritym

GBTYO:


A shotgun having more effective range than an assault rifle?

An AK has an effective range of 800m. That means it can kill you at 800m.

Shotgun is meant for close quarters and has a much lower effective range.

Other than buck shots, cartridge shells have very limited damage from 20yards.

Guy delete this nonsense now.

xendra:
OK after explaining how, is there even a place in Nigeria where shooters and wannabes go to learn. legally I mean.

Jakumo:


This write up is a fascinating work of fiction that is totally incorrect, from the standpoint of ballistic reality. Clearly the writer of this factually erroneous description has never owned a real gun in his life, but hopes to impress similarly unenlightened readers by baffling them with bullchit accumulated from playing video games and watching old war movies.

A pump action SHOTGUN unleashes a horrific flesh-mangling blast at point-blank ranges within 20 yards, BUT, those pellets only possess a MAXIMUM lethal range of 50 yards at best. Any target beyond 50 yards that is hit by shotgun pellets has a very good chance of escaping with small pellet wounds, and at ranges beyond 100 yards, shotgun pellets may not even retain sufficient energy to penetrate clothing. As a hunter who has used a pump action shotgun to down quarry ranging from fast-flying birds to sprinting deer, I happen to know what I am talking about, from personal experience over many, many years.

A rifle projectile, on the other hand, is capable of blasting gaping holes in flesh, and shattering bone, all the way out to 1 kilometer downrange, depending on the caliber of the projectile fired. The venerable AK47, chambered with the 7.62x39mm cartridge, is a devastating weapon capable of precision fire out to ranges in the region of 80 yards, beyond which accuracy drops off significantly, unless of course the rifle is fitted with a telescopic sight that improves accuracy, such that 200 yard shots can be attempted by steady-handed shooters. My .308 caliber deer rifle, fitted with a high magnification telescopic sight, will make clean deer kills well out beyond 350 yards, when fired from a stable resting position.

Having thoroughly tested the accuracy of an AK47 rifle at the firing range where many crates of ammo were expended at paper targets, I can lay claim to a very deep familiarity with the AK, going beyond mere shooting, and into the realm of complete disassembly and reassembly, which I perform blindfolded with ease, meaning that my observations about this weapon ALSO derive from EXTENSIVE hands-on experience, and not wild, uninformed speculation.

Before taking to the internet to make outlandish claims about subjects one does not truly understand, it would be prudent to bear in mind that not everyone in the targeted audience is guaranteed to be as profoundly ignorant as the pontificating writer.

InvertedHammer:

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Buy the parts and retrofit to your specs. The most important part is the receiver. Get a barrel that can handle 7.62 x 39mm ammo. And you are good to go.
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planetx:
Only someone that doesn't know the amount of damage done in a country like the US where almost every Tom dick and harry owns a gun will be advocating that sort of madness in Nigeria. I see people exchanging hot words on the streets of Lagos on a daily basis and you want to put firearms in that equation ? All we need is to empower the police and make them effective, American gun culture is nothing to emulate.

planetx:
Name any other country in the world where you can walk into a gun store and buy a semi auto rifle talk less of a pistol.

yjgm:

AK47 effective range is 400m not 100 pls. Correct that assertion

claremont:


This is incorrect. There is no military school that teaches people that the accuracy of the AK-47 is 100 yards, neither can the shotgun be effective for 300-400 yards like you said. I don't think you know anything about weapons, I'm keen to know where you read up these statistics from?

Kaycee625:

Lies!!! Ak 47 effective range is 200m, maximum range is 500m
Tavour has effective range of 1km,maximum range 1.5km,dats the new guns the military is using against boko haram

claremont:


Do you know what you are saying?!

claremont:


You are saying that the effective range is 3.6km?! The M4 hasn't got an effective range of even 1km, which is why I asked if you know what you are saying?! In a previous life, I was in the military, so I should know a bit of this really. I'm guessing that after a few years of my exit, weapon systems designed for an effective range of 500m have automatically acquired an effective range of 3.6km? I'm not very conversant with the American military weapon systems, but I know damn well that the bog-standard military rifle has an effective range of no more than 500m.

alexis:


Slugs with longer shotgun barrels will go well beyond 50 yards with lethal effects. It most likely will kill anything within a hundred yards. I have shot federal one ounce slugs with a smooth bore shotgun over 100 yards with very good results. Others have claimed good results over 200 yards hitting their targets. I am not a shotgun fan but they are pretty deadly with slugs over 100 yards. I turkey, boar and dear hunt all year round so that is my two cents

These are good videos breaking down shotgun shells over different distances:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNTyCcip-ks

sukkot:
Post picture bro

Jakumo:


You have brought up a very relevant point, Alexis, and it is good to hear from a fellow hunter. I happen to own a 12-gauge Winchester Model 1200 shotgun that I retrofitted for use firing slugs, which for those unfamiliar with the term, are SINGLE lumps of lead, as opposed to the numerous pellets that comprise the payload of a standard shotgun cartridge. I bought that rifled barrel to properly equip myself for buffalo and wild pig hunts, since those species need to be killed on the first shot, lest the hunter becomes the hunted.


The conversion of shotgun to slug gun could be likened to the conversion of a scatter-gun to a rifle. The after-market slug barrel I purchased contains internal grooves, or rifling, that imparts a stabilizing spin to the single projectile, so that it flies straight for far greater distances than standard shotgun pellets, before impacting the target and deforming into a very wide mushroom shape that creates gigantic would channels capable of dropping a buffalo or an elephant in its tracks, if that impact occurs within say 150 yards, before the energy of the round tapers off to non-lethal levels.

While some slug guns have smooth barrels similar to a regular shotgun, the greatest level of accuracy is best obtained by going with a rifled barrel, as I did with my Winchester that I also fitted with a scope, to better serve its role as a tool of negotiation with BIG and MEAN critters. Interestingly, the slug barrel I purchased turned out to be noticeably shorter in length than the stock smooth-bore barrel that came with the gun when new, in contrast with the slug barrel that you mentioned having used.

Aloha

Jakumo:


You have brought up a very relevant point, Alexis, and it is good to hear from a fellow hunter. I happen to own a 12-gauge Winchester Model 1200 shotgun that I retrofitted for use firing slugs, which for those unfamiliar with the term, are SINGLE lumps of lead, as opposed to the numerous pellets that comprise the payload of a standard shotgun cartridge. I bought that rifled barrel to properly equip myself for buffalo and wild pig hunts, since those species need to be killed on the first shot, lest the hunter becomes the hunted.


The conversion of shotgun to slug gun could be likened to the conversion of a scatter-gun to a rifle. The after-market slug barrel I purchased contains internal grooves, or rifling, that imparts a stabilizing spin to the single projectile, so that it flies straight and true for far greater distances than standard shotgun pellets, before impacting the target and deforming into a very wide mushroom shape that creates gigantic wound channels capable of dropping a buffalo or an elephant in its tracks, if that impact occurs within say 150 yards, before the energy of the round tapers off to non-lethal levels.

While some slug guns have smooth barrels similar to a regular shotgun, the greatest level of accuracy is best obtained by going with a rifled barrel, as I did with my Winchester that I also fitted with a scope, to better serve its role as a tool of negotiation with BIG and MEAN critters. Interestingly, the slug barrel I purchased turned out to be noticeably shorter in length than the stock smooth-bore barrel that came with the gun when new, in contrast with the slug barrel that you mentioned having used.

Aloha

GBTYO:


It's illegal to own a pump.

I will prefer buck shots fired from this monster

nkemdi89:
Contact a police man, hunter or a vigilante member for purchase, or make friend with the Dpo or armourer of any police division close to you, so that they will also help you in the purchase or facilitation of the licence. Make sure you are legit in your dealings and join PCRC too. Go for a brand new one so that you won't be accuse of sourcing from a criminal.

sisisioge:



Wowzer! Babaejima got my attention with his vivid description of the guns, you on the other hand have my absolutely attention with your knowledge of the devices. Hmmmm, wetin I sabi? I just know that I would take down any moffoo threatening mine or my family's lives albeit I clamour for peace.

papaejima1:
Yea, a pump action is the koko against a Fulani invader.
I even prefer it to the AK47 in home defence.
While the Ak seems invincible in the hands of an attacker due to its automatic and rapid fire feature, its accuracy is just about 100yrds. The pump action in contrast can do a 300-400 yard shot but its accuracy is not what I am interested in, it is its ability to spit up to 9-20 pellets in the general direction of any invader that I find inviting.

When the invaders come, just put yourself in an area where you won't be hit by direct fire, then draw your box of cartidges close, load up, raise you gun point it in the general direction and let loose. If you can get the 8 round semi auto version then bros you are on the gravy train. With one shot you can fell both the invader and several of his cows!

It is popularly believed that the distinctive sound of a pump action being cycled carries an inherent deterrent effect.

Do anyhow, see anyhow!

dadaha:
This should help
https://www.nairaland.com/3159808/urgent-need-gun

khadaffi:


That's the painful part. Nigeria law does not recognize gun for protection of property. So you are not allowed to move with it. You have to be a hunter to own one or you can lie you are one just to get a license. Plus. those nonsense guns are what is permitted. What I see is that this is just a way of keeping the masses in check. Our elites are always afraid and they have guns regardless of what the law says.

claremont:


Hahaha . Some of the people who quoted your erroneous comment are serving or veterans of some of the best Armies in the world, some of them have trained recruits on different weapon systems. You just google up stuff from dodgy websites that you know absolutely nothing about. My last comment on this.

alexis:


Which one be effective? The guys is talking about accuracy. The reason is simple, the AK47 is made up of very few simple metal parts. It is very easy to assemble and disassemble. Because of these simple metal parts, it loses accuracy with recoil and it's harmonics are disturbed when it rides the railings and hit the back of the rifle.

Also, the hand rail is mostly made of wood which affects it during the heat and even in winter. Same reason it is harder for your door to open during the dry season and summer.

If the argument was that it is durable, then yes - the AK 47 is simple, durable and reliable simply because it has fewer parts. It has a decent calibre in the 7.62 by 39 which can pass through concrete blocks at close range. However, it is not an accurate weapon. The AR15 platform is a much better accurate weapon.

Simple put, I would prefer my enemies all have AK 47 at a long distance fight. At close quarters, they are deadly