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Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by Scholar8200(m): 7:55pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:If you will read the context you will realise that the major reason Paul went there was because of the gathering that will be there, not to observe the sabbath. Besides, reading further, you will find that they baptised converts. Would I be right to say making a journey out of the city contradicts a claim of sabbath observance? |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by DoctorAlien(m): 7:57pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
Thus, it is not so much the question of a day as it is of a way—the way of obedience through love, or of disobedience through lack of love. Mark it down and never forget it! Keeping the Sabbath, even the true seventh-day Sabbath, is an operation in futility if it does not proceed from a heart full of love and devotion to God. Without love, all law keeping becomes mechanical and miserable, but with love, every commandment becomes a joy and delight. Make this kind of personal love relationship the basis of your Sabbathkeeping, and it will be the happiest day of your week, for the rest of your life! Please follow this link to find out more about the Sabbath. |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by Scholar8200(m): 7:59pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:Now what is that commandment? Here the good, ol Apostle help us out: [b] And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment [/b]1 John 3:23 The latter is the fulfilling of the Law and we cannot truly do the latter without the former! |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by DoctorAlien(m): 8:01pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
Scholar8200: WRONG! 1. The Jews allowed a maximum distance of travel on the Sabbath day of 2000 cubits. Most cities then were small, and certainly going out of the city gate wouldn't amount to travelling over 2000 cubits. 2. Paul unequivocally stated that he had never broken any law or custom/tradition of their fathers. You think Paul was lying? |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by DoctorAlien(m): 8:04pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
Scholar8200: "Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning." 1 Jn. 2:7 |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by Scholar8200(m): 8:18pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:Where do we find that in the law that was given? This is not a query, it sounds new to me perhaps you can prove this from the law else it appears to be in the category of man's rationalizing that Jesus condemned in Mark 7. Because, if this allowance truly existed, why did the pharisee accuse Jesus for healing on the sabbath and He condemned them as hypocrites for taking care of their animals on the same day? Sabbath was made for man so healing was acceptable, but these made much allowance like the one you mentioned, to quieten their conscience that they were keeping the law when actually they had broken it! This was Paul alluding to the publicly known false accusation that he was against circumcision: 21 and they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. Acts 21:21 What customs? Definitely not sabbath because if you claim that refers to sabbath that proves that no one observed it till after the law was given to Israel hence it's an OT issue peculiar to them; Secondly, what was the remedy suggested by Peter and the rest? That he should observe the sabbath at Jerusalem? NO. Rather that he should do some ceremonial things as you will find in Acts 21:23-28 Hence Paul's speech in Acts 28 refers to this much publicized accusation as it concerns circumcision! |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by Scholar8200(m): 8:24pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:vs 10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. The Greatest commandment is his emphasis. Note that it's singular-commandment, not plural commandments. |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by DoctorAlien(m): 8:24pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
Really? Did you not see the word "nothing" in Acts 28:17? Or did you not see the plural word "customs" there? Is circumcision the only custom of the Jews? Don't interprete the Bible to mean what you want. |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by DoctorAlien(m): 8:25pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
Scholar8200: How can we love GOD? |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by DoctorAlien(m): 8:29pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
Scholar8200: "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." James 2:10 |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by Scholar8200(m): 8:37pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:That is why we dont get saved by keeping the law but by faith and we : ... died to the Law through the [crucified] body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. Romans 7:4 |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by Scholar8200(m): 8:40pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:By believing on Him. Because it is only by this that, having believed: ... God’s love has been abundantly poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us. Romans 5:5 |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by DoctorAlien(m): 8:42pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Great. Please be kind enough to answer these questions: 1. Do you have any god before Jehovah? 2. Do you make any graven image for yourself and worship it? 3. Do you take GOD's name in vain? 4. Do you treat your parents with disrespect? 5. Do you kill people? 6. Do you commit sexual sin? 7. Do you steal? 8. Do you bear false witness? 9. Do you covet? |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by DoctorAlien(m): 8:45pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Belief in GOD is not the same thing as loving GOD. "Thou believest that there is one GOD; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble." James 2:19 So, how can we love GOD? |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by Scholar8200(m): 8:53pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:We can only love Him when we believe on Him. True faith works by love: 20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? 21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also. 1 John 4:20,21 Still taking us to the Greatest commandment. The rich, young ruler came to Jesus, he had obeyed the 10 commandments and you know what? The only condition of life the Master had for him was total surrender , and intimacy with Him, taking away the hindrance, in this case, his wealth! That is belief - total surrender in absolute dependence and an ever-growing intimacy! |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by DoctorAlien(m): 8:57pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
Scholar8200: The Summary of the law is double-barrelled: there is the distinct command to love GOD with our whole heart and soul and mind and strength. Then there is the command to love our neighbor as ourselves. Please, how do we love GOD with our whole heart and soul and mind and strength? |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by DoctorAlien(m): 9:00pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Jesus said "...but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." Matt. 19:17 |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by Scholar8200(m): 9:05pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:This can only be possible as the Spirit sheds abroad His Love in us. This is the onset of intimacy that makes us cry Abba Father. This love makes us to a greater or lesser degree say with the psalmist: O God, thou art my God; early will I seek thee: my soul thirsteth for thee, my flesh longeth for thee in a dry and thirsty land, where no water is; 2 to see thy power and thy glory, so as I have seen thee in the sanctuary. 3 Because thy lovingkindness is better than life, my lips shall praise thee. 4 Thus will I bless thee while I live: I will lift up my hands in thy name. 5 My soul shall be satisfied as with marrow and fatness; and my mouth shall praise thee with joyful lips: 6 when I remember thee upon my bed, and meditate on thee in the night watches. 7 Because thou hast been my help, therefore in the shadow of thy wings will I rejoice. 8 My soul followeth hard after thee: thy right hand upholdeth me. When this is is the case, His life flows through ours, we being the branch,and His Love to others is revealed by us as out of our innermost being flows rivers of living waters. Against such a life there is no law! |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by Scholar8200(m): 9:07pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
DoctorAlien:But he had been keeping them? Why didnt Jesus then urge him on along that path? Simple, in the life of this young man, the Law had achieved its purpose,viz,bringing us to Christ, the Only Source of that Life!!! |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by DoctorAlien(m): 9:09pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
The question is still not answered. There is a distinct command to love GOD with our whole heart and sould and mind and strength. We are not asked to wait and experience love for GOD. We are asked to love GOD! How can we do this? |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by DoctorAlien(m): 9:13pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Brother, can you kindly read Matt. 19:16-21 and carefully observe the sequence of things in that text? Simple, in the life of this young man, the Law had achieved its purpose,viz,bringing us to Christ, the Only Source of that Life!!! Read Matt. 19:16-21. Then think again. |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by khiaa(f): 10:45pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU: Saturday..............Aaaaand? |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:59pm On Oct 17, 2016 |
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Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:45am On Oct 18, 2016 |
blueAgent: The Sabbath day remains Saturday but Christians are not obliged to keep that law. Jesus who is the Lord of Sabbath has the right to teach us what the Sabbath is all about and it is all about Him. He is the Lord of Sabbath and by faith in Him we enter into that rest from our labours of trying to fulfil the work of righteousness i.e. as in Keeping the law. blueAgent: As Jesus reminded them about the purpose of marriage and took them back to the beginning, Jesus again pointed them back to the beginning where the day of rest (Sabbath) was for man the pattern was set for man to work 6 days and rest on the 7th. The Jews alone were instructed to use the Sabbath day as a sign between God and the Jews first to remember God as the Creator and also to worship Him as our Redeemer. 1 Like |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:46am On Oct 18, 2016 |
analice107: I have responded to her majesty. |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by analice107: 12:53am On Oct 18, 2016 |
OLAADEGBU:Thank you sir |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:59am On Oct 18, 2016 |
blueAgent: Abraham believed God and that was counted to him for righteousness. He did not become righteous by keeping the laws of circumcision or other laws. Faith first and then obedience to God's command. |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:00am On Oct 18, 2016 |
blueAgent: How will the Gentiles know that they had to keep the Sabbath day if they were not taught? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:11am On Oct 18, 2016 |
blueAgent: You seem to be confusing the Moral Law of God with the ceremonial ones. James in chapter 2:10 was speaking about the Jews that they could never be made righteous and justified by the efforts in keeping the law, since no one could ever keep it perfectly. And this does not only apply to the Jews but all men including you and me need to come to the realisation that we can never be saved by our good works see (Romans 4:5; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8-9). We need to know that one unforgiven sin is all it takes for our condemnation. |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:16am On Oct 18, 2016 |
blueAgent: Keeping the commandments will not justify us before God it is faith in the finished work of Christ not our works that would save us. Again read Ephesians 2:8-9. As to your question about sin I'll open another thread to address it so as not to divert this topic. |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:25am On Oct 18, 2016 |
Splinz: Calvary greeting to you too, God bless. Splinz: I am open to learn from bible scholars, am all ears. Splinz: We may open new threads to address these question for fear of diverting away from this thread. Splinz: God willing, I would endeavour to open threads about your concerns. Splinz: That will be great. Splinz: Of course I will be interested. Fire on. Splinz: Till then. |
Re: Is Sunday The Christian Sabbath? by MightySparrow: 3:03am On Oct 18, 2016 |
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