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Jehovah Witness' Jesus, Who Is He? by Emusan(m): 1:35pm On Sep 02, 2016
>God and the spirits being have a body
>Spirit is nothing but a mere life force not a personality on its own
>Death is nothing but cessation of all functions of life.
>The man Jesus has only one nature which is just MAN no divine.
These are widely believes of all Jehovah Witnesses.

With this in mind, let's look at the logical reason behind how JWs explained the way the Son of God (Jesus Christ) was sent to earth.

“Unlike any human, Jesus lived in heaven as a spirit person before HE WAS BORN ON EARTH (John 8:23)” (Good news from God, pg. 8.) This means a BEING(non-human) with a body and spirit lives in heaven before came to earth.

This statement seems to agree with other Bible believing Christians about Jesus Christ that The man Jesus is both Divine and Man as having two natures i.e the Divine person dwells in the human body God produced in the ovum of Mary. Heb 10:5

JWs disagree with this by saying Jesus only had one nature which is MAN only.

KEY NOTE: If God said He sent His Son into the world and JWs confirmed that this Son lives in heaven before He was born on earth but later said Jesus had only one nature; I ask what did God actually send?

JWs seem to have answer to this question by saying:
“God sent his Son to earth BY TRANSFERRING HIS LIFE from heaven to the womb of a virgin Jewess named Mary…” (Good news from God, pg. cool

KEY NOTE: Notice that it was the LIFE of the Son that was sent and this is the people who believe that the spirits being have a BODY. So, where is the body that this LIFE was removed? No JWs can provide a reasonable answer to this and in other word it means Jehovah killed His Son not that He sent Him since JWs believed that Death is nothing but cessation of all functions of life.

Moreover, saying "God sent his Son to earth BY TRANSFERRING HIS LIFE..." we can then ask JWs what do they believe about LIFE itself?
These are the people who believe that LIFE/SPIRIT in every being is nothing but LIFE FORCE, that's why Holy Spirit was believed to be an ACTIVE FORCE of God and human's spirit to be a mere force that energises the body. So, life/spirit in general doesn't have any personal trait in it.

Then, we can as well ask JWs that doesn't this mean that Jehovah actually killed His Son and eventually sent nothing to earth? Though, they will never say YES to this question but in critical view of their claim it boils down to this.

In Summary for better understanding
>God sent His Son (a being with body and spirit/life) to earth
>But it was only His LIFE that God transferred
>Which means the body of the Son is lifeless in heaven
>And life to an average JWs is nothing but a mere life force that energises the body
>It simply means that God killed His Son and end up sent nothing to earth.

I come to conclude that JW's Jesus is totally different from the TRUE Biblical Jesus which other Bible believing Christians know because God can not lie for He said, He sent His Son and His Son also said in many places that His Father sent Him even makes reference to His existence before He came to earth.

Jesus once asked people "What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?"
It is not meaningless life/life force that lives in heaven before but the real Son of God and it was this same Son of God that is going back to heaven.

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Re: Jehovah Witness' Jesus, Who Is He? by malvisguy212: 9:06am On Sep 03, 2016
Jehovah witness. No reply ?
Re: Jehovah Witness' Jesus, Who Is He? by Emusan(m): 9:18am On Sep 03, 2016
malvisguy212:
Jehovah witness. No reply ?

You wont see them on a thread like this my brother, even when they come to my place and I asked this question they will stylishly run away and never come back even with a promise that they will come again.
Re: Jehovah Witness' Jesus, Who Is He? by Jozzy4: 8:57pm On Apr 14, 2018
Emusan:
>God and the spirits being have a body
>Spirit is nothing but a mere life force not a personality on its own
>Death is nothing but cessation of all functions of life.
>The man Jesus has only one nature which is just MAN no divine.
These are widely believes of all Jehovah Witnesses.

With this in mind, let's look at the logical reason behind how JWs explained the way the Son of God (Jesus Christ) was sent to earth.

“Unlike any human, Jesus lived in heaven as a spirit person before HE WAS BORN ON EARTH (John 8:23)” (Good news from God, pg. 8.) This means a BEING(non-human) with a body and spirit lives in heaven before came to earth.

This statement seems to agree with other Bible believing Christians about Jesus Christ that The man Jesus is both Divine and Man as having two natures i.e the Divine person dwells in the human body God produced in the ovum of Mary. Heb 10:5

JWs disagree with this by saying Jesus only had one nature which is MAN only.

KEY NOTE: If God said He sent His Son into the world and JWs confirmed that this Son lives in heaven before He was born on earth but later said Jesus had only one nature; I ask what did God actually send?

JWs seem to have answer to this question by saying:
“God sent his Son to earth BY TRANSFERRING HIS LIFE from heaven to the womb of a virgin Jewess named Mary…” (Good news from God, pg. cool

KEY NOTE: Notice that it was the LIFE of the Son that was sent and this is the people who believe that the spirits being have a BODY. So, where is the body that this LIFE was removed? No JWs can provide a reasonable answer to this and in other word it means Jehovah killed His Son not that He sent Him since JWs believed that Death is nothing but cessation of all functions of life.

Moreover, saying "God sent his Son to earth BY TRANSFERRING HIS LIFE..." we can then ask JWs what do they believe about LIFE itself?
These are the people who believe that LIFE/SPIRIT in every being is nothing but LIFE FORCE, that's why Holy Spirit was believed to be an ACTIVE FORCE of God and human's spirit to be a mere force that energises the body. So, life/spirit in general doesn't have any personal trait in it.

Then, we can as well ask JWs that doesn't this mean that Jehovah actually killed His Son and eventually sent nothing to earth? Though, they will never say YES to this question but in critical view of their claim it boils down to this.

In Summary for better understanding
>God sent His Son (a being with body and spirit/life) to earth
>But it was only His LIFE that God transferred
>Which means the body of the Son is lifeless in heaven
>And life to an average JWs is nothing but a mere life force that energises the body
>It simply means that God killed His Son and end up sent nothing to earth.

I come to conclude that JW's Jesus is totally different from the TRUE Biblical Jesus which other Bible believing Christians know because God can not lie for He said, He sent His Son and His Son also said in many places that His Father sent Him even makes reference to His existence before He came to earth.

Jesus once asked people "What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?"
It is not meaningless life/life force that lives in heaven before but the real Son of God and it was this same Son of God that is going back to heaven.

The highlighted is where your problem began

You expect an answer, when your own thinking is mistaken ? Funny
Re: Jehovah Witness' Jesus, Who Is He? by Emusan(m): 10:26am On Apr 15, 2018
Jozzy4:

The highlighted is where your problem began
You expect an answer, when your own thinking is mistaken ? Funny
Is the highlight not what you and your organization teach?
What is life to you?
What did Jehovah send down to earth according to your organization?
Re: Jehovah Witness' Jesus, Who Is He? by Jozzy4: 5:17pm On Apr 15, 2018
Emusan:


Is the highlight not what you and your organization teach?


Pure nonsense is what you uttered in your opening statements



What is life to you?


Existence as a living Soul or person ( See Matthew 13:37,38 its why Peter could say he will surrender his LIFE < Existence as a living creature> on behalf of Jesus



What did Jehovah send down to earth according to your organization ?

Jehovah send his son by transfering his Life (Existence as a living Person) to the earth.

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Re: Jehovah Witness' Jesus, Who Is He? by Emusan(m): 1:14pm On Apr 17, 2018
Jozzy4:


Pure nonsense is what you uttered in your opening statements




Existence as a living Soul or person ( See Matthew 13:37,38 its why Peter could say he will surrender his LIFE < Existence as a living creature> on behalf of Jesus



Jehovah send his son by transfering his Life (Existence as a living Person) to the earth.





Now, if life is an existence of a living soul or person.

Is it the same person of Jesus who was in heaven that was transferred into the womb of Mary?
Re: Jehovah Witness' Jesus, Who Is He? by Jozzy4: 1:28pm On Apr 17, 2018
At least first admit, you wrote nonsense @ Op

Emusan:


Now, if life is an existence of a living soul or person.

Is it the same person of Jesus who was in heaven that was transferred into the womb of Mary?
Yes , in a Servant form that could be born of a woman.

When the time came to completion, God sent his Son, born of a woman Galatians 4:4
Re: Jehovah Witness' Jesus, Who Is He? by Emusan(m): 1:34pm On Apr 17, 2018
Jozzy4:

At least first admit, you wrote nonsense @ Op

Admit what Isn't what I wrote in the OP very correct?


Yes , in a Servant form that could be born of a woman.

When the time came to completion, God sent his Son, born of a woman Galatians 4:4



If yes, then why did you people say Jesus doesn't have two nature?

Does His person or existence of living disappear and another one started on earth or the person or existence of living in heaven continues why on earth?
Re: Jehovah Witness' Jesus, Who Is He? by Jozzy4: 1:55pm On Apr 17, 2018
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Re: Jehovah Witness' Jesus, Who Is He? by Jozzy4: 1:58pm On Apr 17, 2018
Emusan:


Admit what Isn't what I wrote in the OP very correct?


You misinterpreted the article , LIFE as used in that brochure refers to Jesus existence as a Creature

Yet you misinterpreted it to mean the force of life AND not life itself


If yes, then why did you people say Jesus doesn't have two nature?

Does His person or existence of living disappear and another one started on earth or the person or existence of living in heaven continues why on earth?

Continues in a form that could be born by a woman



Mary gave birth to an human NOT God
Re: Jehovah Witness' Jesus, Who Is He? by Emusan(m): 4:36pm On Apr 17, 2018
Jozzy4:


You misinterpreted the article , LIFE as used in that brochure refers to Jesus existence as a Creature

Yet you misinterpreted it to mean the force of life AND not life itself

And you can see how you failed woefully.
The article said his "life was transferred" but you're the one who interpreted it to mean existence as a CREATURE.

Just imagine!



Continues in a form that could be born by a woman

Waooooo you finally shot yourself on the leg....

So it means since Jesus LIFE continues in a FORM that could be BORN by a woman then it means His divine LIFE still in EXISTENCE.


[quote]Mary gave birth to an human NOT God[!quote]

But you just said now that His life CONTINUES....does what Mary gave birth to terminate the one that continues?

If Mary gave birth to human and NOT God then NOTHING can continue from Jesus who is in heaven which is the main point of the OP.

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Re: Jehovah Witness' Jesus, Who Is He? by Jozzy4: 5:34pm On Apr 17, 2018
Emusan:


And you can see how you failed woefully.
The article said his "life was transferred" but you're the one who interpreted it to mean existence as a CREATURE.

Just imagine!


Comprehension issues is affecting you. Next time try and get the author point of view before you assume your nonsense

SOUL/ LIFE refers to a ( A living Creature) , the saying Jesus surrenders His LIFE means he Surrender's his existence as a living person .

I gave you another instance where peter said he will surrender his LIFE on behalf of Jesus. Wat does he want to surrender ? His existence as a living person.

So when the article says transferred his LIFE, it means God transferred his existence from heaven to the womb of Mary. A change of nature occurs with the same personality.




Waooooo you finally shot yourself on the leg....

So it means since Jesus LIFE continues in a FORM that could be BORN by a woman then it means His divine LIFE still in EXISTENCE.


You have started with your silly assumptions, THEN it means ? Did I tell you that, why not ask for wat is meant by the bold if you lack the understanding ?

Read Philippians 2:7 it will help you


but emptied Himself, having taken the form of a servant, having been made in the likeness of men.

His nature changed.

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Re: Jehovah Witness' Jesus, Who Is He? by Emusan(m): 7:00pm On Apr 17, 2018
Jozzy4:

Comprehension issues is affecting you. Next time try and get the author point of view before you assume your nonsense

SOUL/ LIFE refers to a ( A living Creature) , the saying Jesus surrenders His LIFE means he Surrender's his existence as a living person .

I gave you another instance where peter said he will surrender his LIFE on behalf of Jesus. Wat does he want to surrender ? His existence as a living person.

Eheh....soul/life refers to A LIVING CREATURE....but The Father (Jehovah) have LIFE in Himself. Does it means He is also a living creature?

You don't know the implication of this just because you want to proof something you didn't know.

Jesus said He will lay down His life and pick it again.

But you people said NOTHING that died in Jesus resurrected with Him...if we should go by your explanation of LIFE, it means the existence that Jesus gave it's the same that came back.

So when the article says transferred his LIFE, it means God transferred his existence from heaven to the womb of Mary. A change of nature occurs with the same personality.

Now it's getting more interesting...
So, does those personality that remains not DIVINE?

It's evident that you people know that Jesus posseses divine in him, yet always deny it because the devil is playing prank on you.


You have started with your silly assumptions, THEN it means ? Did I tell you that, why not ask for wat is meant by the bold if you lack the understanding ?

Read Philippians 2:7 it will help you


but emptied Himself, having taken the form of a servant, having been made in the likeness of men.

His nature changed.

We all know His nature change which is what we are saying too but does it possess anything DIVINE in Him?

The answer is yes! Which you testified to up there by saying "A change of nature occurs with the same personality."

The truth is the human body provided in the womb of Mary is what covered the Divine nature.

This is the truth in the scripture which you people eyes were blocked from by the devil.
Re: Jehovah Witness' Jesus, Who Is He? by Jozzy4: 7:31pm On Apr 17, 2018
Emusan:


Eheh....soul/life refers to A LIVING CREATURE....but The Father (Jehovah) have LIFE in Himself. Does it means He is also a living creature?



The Good News Bible renders John 5:26: "Just as the Father is himself the source of life, in the same way he has made his Son to be the source of life."



Now it's getting more interesting...
So, does those personality that remains not DIVINE?

It's evident that you people know that Jesus posseses divine in him, yet always deny it because the devil is playing prank on you.




We all know His nature change
which is what we are saying too but does it possess anything DIVINE in Him?

The answer is yes! Which you testified to up there by saying "A change of nature occurs with the same personality."

The truth is the human body provided in the womb of Mary is what covered the Divine nature.

This is the truth in the scripture which you people eyes were blocked from by the devil.

CHANGE of Nature occurs .we are talking about two nature's here . Divine nature and Human nature

We are talking about change, You say it was covered . grin


In heaven he has the divine Nature, when his nature changed he become Flesh , Human nature

That's what Philipian 2:7 is telling you.
Re: Jehovah Witness' Jesus, Who Is He? by Jozzy4: 7:57pm On Apr 17, 2018
Emusan:




We all know His nature change

CHANGE from which nature to which nature?

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