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Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by Demmzy15(m): 2:15pm On Sep 10, 2016
analice107:

Demzy Pick the Book i posted and read, wen u read that book you'd see stuff in the koran that happened long after Muhammed had died. How did those events found their way into the Koran?

Muslims with lies.
You're seriously an amateur. You make a proclamation without providing any proofs and you accuse me of lying when I asked for one? Sense is really scarce I must say!

I'm not buying or downloading any book, if you want to prove your points, kindly present it here let's all see. Your proves must surely be from the Qur'an and hadith, so bring them here!

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Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by raphieMontella: 2:42pm On Sep 10, 2016
analice107:
Hug yourself Child, Life is tough for the blind and dead brian.
changed the topic and started going personal... Okay oo
Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by aminusanti(m): 3:48pm On Sep 10, 2016
analice107:

oh yeah? He was never crucified yet he cried out My God, My God why has thou forsaken me? The same passage you yourself quoted?
Ah, Muslim. Oya, show me where the Bible said Jesus was not Crucified.

Islam has eaten your head ooo.

so finally no answer to my previuos question ?
b4 i even use ur own bible against u, now tell them who was jesus crying to on the cross?? oops! sorry he was asking himself i forgt.
the statement attributed to jesus in matthew 27:46 is totally wrong bcus GOD will never forsake his messenger and there r many verses in bible that will contradict this verse.
u pipu are funny i swear u are not even aware how alot verses are contradicting each other in the bible yet u are here argueing with full force. All i can say is May GOD open your heart to see the light. smiley

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Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by plappville(f): 3:57pm On Sep 10, 2016
Jay542:

Cos certain people use hijab doesn't make them Muslims. Mia Khalifa claims she's a Muslim and is still amongst highest paid pornst~r and she uses hijab to act her pornogr~phy, does that make her a Muslim or she's just acting? If them Boko haram are Muslims, I wonder why they're bombing mosques equally.
All these people are just actors and impersonators, nothing more.
I'll suggest you do a deep research about the Isis and the rest of the so-called Islamic terrorist group. Study their attacks. Go on YouTube. Read more on Osama. Read about American Government and westernization. If you've used more than 20G of your data on this, then you're getting there. If not, then there's no point for this. Go in-depth about this terrorism if you really want to know about it and go with a neutral mind.

Trash!! Maybe these people are not Muslims too. You know the Quran better than them. undecided

Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by aminusanti(m): 4:09pm On Sep 10, 2016
analice107:

oh yeah? He was never crucified yet he cried out My God, My God why has thou forsaken me? The same passage you yourself quoted?
Ah, Muslim. Oya, show me where the Bible said Jesus was not Crucified.

Islam has eaten your head ooo.

[size=14pt]JESUS Christ Was NEVER Crucified[/size]

Before the arrival of Jesus (pbuh) and in the Old Testament of the Bible, GOD has always forgiven sins even without any blood sacrifice for anyone who sincerely repented and turned away from their sins. If Jesus died, then he died in vain. There really was no need for Jesus to die for the sins of mankind when GOD has always forgiven sins through sincere repentance, and He continues to do so till this day because His Mercy and Nature to #forgive doesn’t change. There’s enough evidence in both the OT and NT of Bible that repentance of sins is required upon everyone in order to be forgiven. Even if a Christian believes that Jesus died for their sins, they still have to repent for their new sins, right? Yes…so this means that Jesus’ alleged crucifixion wasn’t a full sacrifice, so again he died in vain!

JESUS WAS RAISED UP :

[b]According to Islam Jesus (pbuh) was raised up to God alive and was never crucified. God carried Jesus up to heaven in a whirlwind at some point during Jesus’ life like he did with Elijah. Whether or not God did this because Jesus faced a crucifixion is uncertain. The crucifixion of Jesus is not an attested historical event and may have been nothing more than Paul’s invention. However, if Jesus were in some kind of trouble, God would have raised him up before the evil deed was inflicted on him. As a former Christian I know this is not easy to accept at first glance. In fact, when I first heard this I could not believe the audacity to make such a statement! That changed when I learned that the phenomenon of pulling prophets off the face of the earth had happened before in the Bible. There could never be a better time for it to happen again.
“And when Allah said: O Isa (Jesus), I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve and make those who follow you above those who disbelieve to the day of resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, so I will decide between you concerning that in which you differed.” [Qur’an 3:55]

HERE ARE SOME OTHER SITUATIONS IN THE BIBLE WHERE GOD DID THIS BEFORE:

“Enoch was sixty-five years old when he begot Metuselah. After the birth of Methuselah, Enoch walked with God for three hundred years, and had other sons and daughters. He lived three hundred and sixty-five years. Enoch walked with God, and then was seen no more, because God had taken him away.” [Genesis 5:21-24]
“They went on, talking as they went, and suddenly there appeared a chariot of fire and horses of fire, which separated them from one another, and Elijah was carried up to heaven in a whirlwind. At the sight Elisha cried out, My #father, my father, the chariot and the horsemen of Israel! and he saw him no more. He picked up the cloak that had fallen from Elijah and went back and stood on the bank of the Jordan.” [2 Kings 2:11-13]

HERE’S A CLEVER CONTRADICTION REGARDING THE RESURRECTION:

“And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said this, he gave up the ghost.” [Luke 23:46]
According to above verse Jesus (pbuh) gave up the spirit to God. If Jesus is part of the Trinity of God, the son, and the Holy Ghost, then why is it that he had to give up his spirit to God which is in #Heaven if he is the same person? Did he borrow the spirit while God was spiritless in Heaven? #Astaghfirullah!
“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not: for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say vnto them, I ascend vnto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God.” [#John 20:17]
This is said to have occured only after the #resurrection, but it is apparent that according to this verse Jesus had not yet ascended, contradicting the verse of #Luke 23:43 when Jesus said to the theif on the cross; “TODAY YOU WILL BE WITH ME IN #PARADISE“.
So where was Jesus between the time he gave up his spirit to God and the time he returned back to earth if he never ascended in the first place? Isn’t this a clear contradiction and something to ponder over? This suggests that Jesus (pbuh) never died. And it is also clear in this text that Jeus has a God so he himself cannot be God!

THEY PLOTTED AND PLANNED BUT #ALLAH ALSO PLANNED:

“And because of their saying (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah” but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared to so to them [the resemblance of ‘Isa (Jesus) was put on another man (and they killed that man). and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not—nay, Allah raised him up (with his body and soul) unto Himself. And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise.” [Qur’an 4:157-158]

EVIDENCE IN THE BIBLE THAT GOD HEARD JESUS’ PRAYER TO BE SAVED FROM THE CROSS:

“My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me. And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, ‘O my God, if it be possible, let this cup (death) pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.” [Matthew 26:38-39]
“And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.” [Luke 22:44]
“(Jesus), Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto Him (God) that was able to save him from death, and was heard (answered) in that he feared.” [Hebrews 5:7]
“And Jesus saith, for with God all things are possible.” [Mark 10:27]
“For the Scriptures say, ‘He will order his angels to protect and guard you. And they will hold you up with their hands so you won’t even hurt your foot on a stone.’” [Luke 4:10-11]
“For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone. Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet. Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name: He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honor him. With long life will I satisfy him, and show him my salvation.” [Psalm 91:11-16]
There is no question that the emphasized parts above, especially in Psalm 91:11-16 and others, clearly and indisputably agree with the Qur’an and Isaiah 52:13! Jesus was neither crucified nor resurrected, and he was protected and lifted by GOD. Also, the New Testament, again, confirms that Psalm 91 is referring to Jesus.

A. GOD will hear his cries (Psalm 91:15) and will save him (Psalm 91:3).
B. GOD will cover him with His Protection (Psalm 91:4).
C. Christ will then not have any fear in him (Psalm 91:5).
D. Christ will then observe with his own eyes the punishment of the crucified ones (Psalm 91:cool.
E. No harm (this includes crucifixion!) or disaster will even come near Christ (Psalm 91:10….this even contradicts him getting beaten up before crucifixion).
F. GOD will send down the Angels to protect him and lift him (Psalm 91:11-12, 14, Isaiah 52:13). Not even his foot will strike the ground from his enemies pushing, grappling and punishment.
G. Christ’s call will be HEARD, and he will be delivered and honored (Psalm 91:15, Isaiah 52:13). No way would these verses be valid if Christ got crucified.
In conclusion Psalm 91 is speaking as a number of Prophecies that will take place. Notice how the verses are speak of future events that will take place. Never once throughout the entire New Testament were the Angels sent to save Jesus from striking his foot against a rock. This, again, clearly proves that the NT is indeed false and corrupt.
The Bible is in clear contradiction with itself regarding Jesus’ alleged crucifixion and in everything else that it essentially talks about. It can not be trusted nor taken very seriously to base a serious faith on. At best, one would only be speculating when he tries to use the Bible to prove anything. Islam is the only Religion, which is by the way also the Only True and uncorrupt Divine Religion remaining today, that confirms the Truth in the Bible and removes the falsehood from it.

WE BEAR OUR OWN SINS:

“No one can redeem the life of another or give to God a ransom for them—the ransom for a life is costly, no payment is ever enough.” [Psalm 49:7-8]
“No soul can carry the sins of another soul. If a soul that is full with sins implores another to bear part of its load, no other soul can carry any part of it, even if they were related. The only people to heed your warnings are those who fear their Lord, even when alone in their privacy, and observe the Contact Prayers. Whoever purifies his soul, does so for his own good. To Allah is the final destiny.” [Qur’an 35:18]
“The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.” [Deuteronomy 24:16]

THE SIGN OF THE PROPHET JONAH:

Jesus said, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” [Matthew 12:39-40 KJV]
Jesus (pbuh) made it very clear that he will not die because his condition will be like Jonah’s, meaning ALIVE! Second point is that the heart of the earth is not suggesting that he was or would be buried underground as Christians claim is meant by this part. According to Christians and the scriptures, Jesus’ body was placed above ground in a tomb so therefore this doesn’t line up with the prophesy. Last point is that the ”heart of the earth” is ironically the center of the earth. Geographically the center of the earth is Mekkah where the previous prophets of God paid their homage to the House that Abraham built which is known as the Kab’ba. So by the overwhelming evidences, Jesus was raised up to Almighty God alive and wasn’t crucified as Christians believe he was…it’s really just that simple!
Note that the Kab’ba is the very same place where millions of Muslims visit every year for Hajj (pilgrimage), so it is highly probable that Jesus himself fulfilled his pilgrimage too! This verse in Matthew 12:39 does not support the Christian’s weak interpretation suggesting that Jesus died and was resurrected three days later. Logical thinking must be applied here without prejudice.

3 DAYS AND 3 NIGHTS?

According to the NT of the Bible, Whoever was crucified, was executed on Friday at about the 6th hour (Mark 14:12-17 & 15:23) and taken down later that evening at about the 9th hour (Mark 15:34 & Matthew 27:51-52) because the Jews did not want to break the Sabbath. Then very early on Sunday morning when some women came to the tomb to annoint the body with spices, the body was mysteriously gone! So from Friday to Saturday is 1 full day, and from Saturday to early Sunday morning is a half a day. The total is 1 and a half days, equivelant to roughly 36 hours not a full 72 hours that would equal 3 whole days, so this prophesy failed…WOW![/b]

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Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by plappville(f): 4:11pm On Sep 10, 2016
[quote author=aminusanti post=49237061][/quote]

How doea your comment answer the OP?



Why is it that an extreme muslim will strap a bomb to himself and blow up innocent people. Whereas an extreme christian will knock on your door and tell you Jesus died for you so that you can have life in abundance. He is the giver of "life" come to him etc.

Does this means that MUSLIMS love death and CHRISTIANS love life? Come to think of it, we have a very limited time on this earth and should be spent embracing life.

Why waste it trying to get to the afterlife prematurely. Why are Christians not killing to spread the gospel? Why are Muslims killing to dominate the world and promote islam?

Oya, make una answer. Insults are not welcome. Just lipsrsealed if you have some insults to throw. smiley

As at today 53 women are arrested in France all Isis linked. Who is Isis? What book do they base thier acts? Which God do they call on when they kill?
Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by plappville(f): 4:34pm On Sep 10, 2016
aminusanti:

[s]
[size=14pt]JESUS Christ Was NEVER Crucified[/size]

Before the arrival of Jesus (pbuh) and in the Old Testament of the Bible, GOD has always forgiven sins even without any blood sacrifice for anyone who sincerely repented and turned away from their sins. If Jesus died, then he died in vain. There really was no need for Jesus to die for the sins of mankind when GOD has always forgiven sins through sincere repentance, and He continues to do so till this day because His Mercy and Nature to #forgive doesn’t change. There’s enough evidence in both the OT and NT of Bible that repentance of sins is required upon everyone in order to be forgiven. Even if a Christian believes that Jesus died for their sins, they still have to repent for their new sins, right? Yes…so this means that Jesus’ alleged crucifixion wasn’t a full sacrifice, so again he died in vain!

JESUS WAS RAISED UP :

[b]According to Islam Jesus (pbuh) was raised up to God alive and was never crucified. God carried Jesus up to heaven in a whirlwind at some point during Jesus’ life like he did with Elijah. Whether or not God did this because Jesus faced a crucifixion is uncertain. The crucifixion of Jesus is not an attested historical event and may have been nothing more than Paul’s invention. However, if Jesus were in some kind of trouble, God would have raised him up before the evil deed was inflicted on him. As a former Christian I know this is not easy to accept at first glance. In fact, when I first heard this I could not believe the audacity to make such a statement! That changed when I learned that the phenomenon of pulling prophets off the face of the earth had happened before in the Bible. There could never be a better time for it to happen again.
“And when Allah said: O Isa (Jesus), I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve and make those who follow you above those who disbelieve to the day of resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, so I will decide between you concerning that in which you differed.” [Qur’an 3:55]

HERE ARE SOME OTHER SITUATIONS IN THE BIBLE WHERE GOD DID THIS BEFORE:

“Enoch was sixty-five years old when he begot Metuselah. After the birth of Methuselah, Enoch walked with God for three hundred years, and had other sons and daughters. He lived three hundred and sixty-five years. Enoch walked with God, and then was seen no more, because God had taken him away.” [Genesis 5:21-24]
“They went on, talking as they went, and suddenly there appeared a chariot of fire and horses of fire, which separated them from one another, and Elijah was carried up to heaven in a whirlwind. At the sight Elisha cried out, My #father, my father, the chariot and the horsemen of Israel! and he saw him no more. He picked up the cloak that had fallen from Elijah and went back and stood on the bank of the Jordan.” [2 Kings 2:11-13]

HERE’S A CLEVER CONTRADICTION REGARDING THE RESURRECTION:

“And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said this, he gave up the ghost.” [Luke 23:46]
According to above verse Jesus (pbuh) gave up the spirit to God. If Jesus is part of the Trinity of God, the son, and the Holy Ghost, then why is it that he had to give up his spirit to God which is in #Heaven if he is the same person? Did he borrow the spirit while God was spiritless in Heaven? #Astaghfirullah!
“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not: for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say vnto them, I ascend vnto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God.” [#John 20:17]
This is said to have occured only after the #resurrection, but it is apparent that according to this verse Jesus had not yet ascended, contradicting the verse of #Luke 23:43 when Jesus said to the theif on the cross; “TODAY YOU WILL BE WITH ME IN #PARADISE“.
So where was Jesus between the time he gave up his spirit to God and the time he returned back to earth if he never ascended in the first place? Isn’t this a clear contradiction and something to ponder over? This suggests that Jesus (pbuh) never died. And it is also clear in this text that Jeus has a God so he himself cannot be God!

THEY PLOTTED AND PLANNED BUT #ALLAH ALSO PLANNED:

“And because of their saying (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah” but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared to so to them [the resemblance of ‘Isa (Jesus) was put on another man (and they killed that man). and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not—nay, Allah raised him up (with his body and soul) unto Himself. And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise.” [Qur’an 4:157-158]

EVIDENCE IN THE BIBLE THAT GOD HEARD JESUS’ PRAYER TO BE SAVED FROM THE CROSS:

“My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me. And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, ‘O my God, if it be possible, let this cup (death) pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.” [Matthew 26:38-39]
“And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.” [Luke 22:44]
“(Jesus), Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto Him (God) that was able to save him from death, and was heard (answered) in that he feared.” [Hebrews 5:7]
“And Jesus saith, for with God all things are possible.” [Mark 10:27]
“For the Scriptures say, ‘He will order his angels to protect and guard you. And they will hold you up with their hands so you won’t even hurt your foot on a stone.’” [Luke 4:10-11]
“For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone. Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet. Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name: He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honor him. With long life will I satisfy him, and show him my salvation.” [Psalm 91:11-16]
There is no question that the emphasized parts above, especially in Psalm 91:11-16 and others, clearly and indisputably agree with the Qur’an and Isaiah 52:13! Jesus was neither crucified nor resurrected, and he was protected and lifted by GOD. Also, the New Testament, again, confirms that Psalm 91 is referring to Jesus.

A. GOD will hear his cries (Psalm 91:15) and will save him (Psalm 91:3).
B. GOD will cover him with His Protection (Psalm 91:4).
C. Christ will then not have any fear in him (Psalm 91:5).
D. Christ will then observe with his own eyes the punishment of the crucified ones (Psalm 91:cool.
E. No harm (this includes crucifixion!) or disaster will even come near Christ (Psalm 91:10….this even contradicts him getting beaten up before crucifixion).
F. GOD will send down the Angels to protect him and lift him (Psalm 91:11-12, 14, Isaiah 52:13). Not even his foot will strike the ground from his enemies pushing, grappling and punishment.
G. Christ’s call will be HEARD, and he will be delivered and honored (Psalm 91:15, Isaiah 52:13). No way would these verses be valid if Christ got crucified.
In conclusion Psalm 91 is speaking as a number of Prophecies that will take place. Notice how the verses are speak of future events that will take place. Never once throughout the entire New Testament were the Angels sent to save Jesus from striking his foot against a rock. This, again, clearly proves that the NT is indeed false and corrupt.
The Bible is in clear contradiction with itself regarding Jesus’ alleged crucifixion and in everything else that it essentially talks about. It can not be trusted nor taken very seriously to base a serious faith on. At best, one would only be speculating when he tries to use the Bible to prove anything. Islam is the only Religion, which is by the way also the Only True and uncorrupt Divine Religion remaining today, that confirms the Truth in the Bible and removes the falsehood from it.

WE BEAR OUR OWN SINS:

“No one can redeem the life of another or give to God a ransom for them—the ransom for a life is costly, no payment is ever enough.” [Psalm 49:7-8]
“No soul can carry the sins of another soul. If a soul that is full with sins implores another to bear part of its load, no other soul can carry any part of it, even if they were related. The only people to heed your warnings are those who fear their Lord, even when alone in their privacy, and observe the Contact Prayers. Whoever purifies his soul, does so for his own good. To Allah is the final destiny.” [Qur’an 35:18]
“The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.” [Deuteronomy 24:16]

THE SIGN OF THE PROPHET JONAH:

Jesus said, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” [Matthew 12:39-40 KJV]
Jesus (pbuh) made it very clear that he will not die because his condition will be like Jonah’s, meaning ALIVE! Second point is that the heart of the earth is not suggesting that he was or would be buried underground as Christians claim is meant by this part. According to Christians and the scriptures, Jesus’ body was placed above ground in a tomb so therefore this doesn’t line up with the prophesy. Last point is that the ”heart of the earth” is ironically the center of the earth. Geographically the center of the earth is Mekkah where the previous prophets of God paid their homage to the House that Abraham built which is known as the Kab’ba. So by the overwhelming evidences, Jesus was raised up to Almighty God alive and wasn’t crucified as Christians believe he was…it’s really just that simple!
Note that the Kab’ba is the very same place where millions of Muslims visit every year for Hajj (pilgrimage), so it is highly probable that Jesus himself fulfilled his pilgrimage too! This verse in Matthew 12:39 does not support the Christian’s weak interpretation suggesting that Jesus died and was resurrected three days later. Logical thinking must be applied here without prejudice.

3 DAYS AND 3 NIGHTS?

According to the NT of the Bible, Whoever was crucified, was executed on Friday at about the 6th hour (Mark 14:12-17 & 15:23) and taken down later that evening at about the 9th hour (Mark 15:34 & Matthew 27:51-52) because the Jews did not want to break the Sabbath. Then very early on Sunday morning when some women came to the tomb to annoint the body with spices, the body was mysteriously gone! So from Friday to Saturday is 1 full day, and from Saturday to early Sunday morning is a half a day. The total is 1 and a half days, equivelant to roughly 36 hours not a full 72 hours that would equal 3 whole days, so this prophesy failed…WOW![/b][/s]

Why is it that an extreme muslim will strap a bomb to himself/herself and blow up innocent people.

If not for good work from French intelligent agents. Alla.h would have drank more blood 4 days ago. Because bombing the main cathedral two train station would have really take lives. sad
Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by plappville(f): 4:40pm On Sep 10, 2016
Allah didnt take lives in this year's hajj. Last year 2300 people were announced dead. Islam has many ways of killing. It baffled me how people still defend such a religion.. shocked

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Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by plappville(f): 4:59pm On Sep 10, 2016
aminusanti:


so finally no answer to my previuos question ?
b4 i even use ur own bible against u, now tell them who was jesus crying to on the cross?? oops! sorry he was asking himself i forgt.
the statement attributed to jesus in matthew 27:46 is totally wrong bcus GOD will never forsake his messenger and there r many verses in bible that will contradict this verse.
u pipu are funny i swear u are not even aware how alot verses are contradicting each other in the bible yet u are here argueing with full force. All i can say is May GOD open your heart to see the light. smiley


You are not treating the OP either. Just ranting diverting thread here and then. You cant use the bible against Him/her. Is not Iran against Saudi here. Sunni against shiite. One deciding for the other. Who owns allah most? It seems the Saudis do. See how fake Islam is? undecided
Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by Jay542(m): 6:13pm On Sep 10, 2016
plappville:


Trash!! Maybe these people are not Muslims too. You know the Quran better than them. undecided
You're not ready to broaden your horizon. Please don't quote me again.
Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by annunaki2(m): 6:54pm On Sep 10, 2016
Jay542:

You're not ready to broaden your horizon. Please don't quote me again.

On the contrary it is you that is finding it difficult to come to terms with the glaring truth.

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Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by aminusanti(m): 7:09pm On Sep 10, 2016
plappville:


You are not treating the OP either. Just ranting diverting thread here and then. You cant use the bible against Him/her. Is not Iran against Saudi here. Sunni against shiite. One deciding for the other. Who owns allah most? It seems the Saudis do. See how fake Islam is? undecided
whats dis outcast saying?
will not waste my time on you bcus even d christians that u are trying to help by all possible means give no damn about u for being a catholic n they Bliv Hell is ur final destination.
Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by aminusanti(m): 7:12pm On Sep 10, 2016
plappville:
Allah didnt take lives in this year's hajj. Last year 2300 people were announced dead. Islam has many ways of killing. It baffled me how people still defend such a religion.. shocked
ur posts r too dry n lame for someone to waste his time on
Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by aminusanti(m): 7:19pm On Sep 10, 2016
plappville:


Why is it that an extreme muslim will strap a bomb to himself/herself and blow up innocent people.

If not for good work from French intelligent agents. Alla.h would have drank more blood 4 days ago. Because bombing the main cathedral two train station would have really take lives. sad
i learn more about France from u rather than religious related issue, pls kindly move ur posts to Entertainment category i beg.
Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by mustymatic(m): 11:05pm On Sep 10, 2016
plappville:


Muslim women attacking police with knife calling Allah when she was shot. They planned to bomb Paris again. What is ur take on ?
Ask the pope who prays in mosques
Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by analice107: 3:58pm On Sep 11, 2016
aminusanti:


[size=14pt]JESUS Christ Was NEVER Crucified[/size]

Before the arrival of Jesus (pbuh) and in the Old Testament of the Bible, GOD has always forgiven sins even without any blood sacrifice for anyone who sincerely repented and turned away from their sins. If Jesus died, then he died in vain. There really was no need for Jesus to die for the sins of mankind when GOD has always forgiven sins through sincere repentance, and He continues to do so till this day because His Mercy and Nature to #forgive doesn’t change. There’s enough evidence in both the OT and NT of Bible that repentance of sins is required upon everyone in order to be forgiven. Even if a Christian believes that Jesus died for their sins, they still have to repent for their new sins, right? Yes…so this means that Jesus’ alleged crucifixion wasn’t a full sacrifice, so again he died in vain!

JESUS WAS RAISED UP :

[b]According to Islam Jesus (pbuh) was raised up to God alive and was never crucified. God carried Jesus up to heaven in a whirlwind at some point during Jesus’ life like he did with Elijah. Whether or not God did this because Jesus faced a crucifixion is uncertain. The crucifixion of Jesus is not an attested historical event and may have been nothing more than Paul’s invention. However, if Jesus were in some kind of trouble, God would have raised him up before the evil deed was inflicted on him. As a former Christian I know this is not easy to accept at first glance. In fact, when I first heard this I could not believe the audacity to make such a statement! That changed when I learned that the phenomenon of pulling prophets off the face of the earth had happened before in the Bible. There could never be a better time for it to happen again.
“And when Allah said: O Isa (Jesus), I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve and make those who follow you above those who disbelieve to the day of resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, so I will decide between you concerning that in which you differed.” [Qur’an 3:55]

HERE ARE SOME OTHER SITUATIONS IN THE BIBLE WHERE GOD DID THIS BEFORE:

“Enoch was sixty-five years old when he begot Metuselah. After the birth of Methuselah, Enoch walked with God for three hundred years, and had other sons and daughters. He lived three hundred and sixty-five years. Enoch walked with God, and then was seen no more, because God had taken him away.” [Genesis 5:21-24]
“They went on, talking as they went, and suddenly there appeared a chariot of fire and horses of fire, which separated them from one another, and Elijah was carried up to heaven in a whirlwind. At the sight Elisha cried out, My #father, my father, the chariot and the horsemen of Israel! and he saw him no more. He picked up the cloak that had fallen from Elijah and went back and stood on the bank of the Jordan.” [2 Kings 2:11-13]

HERE’S A CLEVER CONTRADICTION REGARDING THE RESURRECTION:

“And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said this, he gave up the ghost.” [Luke 23:46]
According to above verse Jesus (pbuh) gave up the spirit to God. If Jesus is part of the Trinity of God, the son, and the Holy Ghost, then why is it that he had to give up his spirit to God which is in #Heaven if he is the same person? Did he borrow the spirit while God was spiritless in Heaven? #Astaghfirullah!
“Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not: for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say vnto them, I ascend vnto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God.” [#John 20:17]
This is said to have occured only after the #resurrection, but it is apparent that according to this verse Jesus had not yet ascended, contradicting the verse of #Luke 23:43 when Jesus said to the theif on the cross; “TODAY YOU WILL BE WITH ME IN #PARADISE“.
So where was Jesus between the time he gave up his spirit to God and the time he returned back to earth if he never ascended in the first place? Isn’t this a clear contradiction and something to ponder over? This suggests that Jesus (pbuh) never died. And it is also clear in this text that Jeus has a God so he himself cannot be God!

THEY PLOTTED AND PLANNED BUT #ALLAH ALSO PLANNED:

“And because of their saying (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah” but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared to so to them [the resemblance of ‘Isa (Jesus) was put on another man (and they killed that man). and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not—nay, Allah raised him up (with his body and soul) unto Himself. And Allah is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise.” [Qur’an 4:157-158]

EVIDENCE IN THE BIBLE THAT GOD HEARD JESUS’ PRAYER TO BE SAVED FROM THE CROSS:

“My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me. And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, ‘O my God, if it be possible, let this cup (death) pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.” [Matthew 26:38-39]
“And being in anguish, he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was like drops of blood falling to the ground.” [Luke 22:44]
“(Jesus), Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto Him (God) that was able to save him from death, and was heard (answered) in that he feared.” [Hebrews 5:7]
“And Jesus saith, for with God all things are possible.” [Mark 10:27]
“For the Scriptures say, ‘He will order his angels to protect and guard you. And they will hold you up with their hands so you won’t even hurt your foot on a stone.’” [Luke 4:10-11]
“For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone. Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet. Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name: He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honor him. With long life will I satisfy him, and show him my salvation.” [Psalm 91:11-16]
There is no question that the emphasized parts above, especially in Psalm 91:11-16 and others, clearly and indisputably agree with the Qur’an and Isaiah 52:13! Jesus was neither crucified nor resurrected, and he was protected and lifted by GOD. Also, the New Testament, again, confirms that Psalm 91 is referring to Jesus.

A. GOD will hear his cries (Psalm 91:15) and will save him (Psalm 91:3).
B. GOD will cover him with His Protection (Psalm 91:4).
C. Christ will then not have any fear in him (Psalm 91:5).
D. Christ will then observe with his own eyes the punishment of the crucified ones (Psalm 91:cool.
E. No harm (this includes crucifixion!) or disaster will even come near Christ (Psalm 91:10….this even contradicts him getting beaten up before crucifixion).
F. GOD will send down the Angels to protect him and lift him (Psalm 91:11-12, 14, Isaiah 52:13). Not even his foot will strike the ground from his enemies pushing, grappling and punishment.
G. Christ’s call will be HEARD, and he will be delivered and honored (Psalm 91:15, Isaiah 52:13). No way would these verses be valid if Christ got crucified.
In conclusion Psalm 91 is speaking as a number of Prophecies that will take place. Notice how the verses are speak of future events that will take place. Never once throughout the entire New Testament were the Angels sent to save Jesus from striking his foot against a rock. This, again, clearly proves that the NT is indeed false and corrupt.
The Bible is in clear contradiction with itself regarding Jesus’ alleged crucifixion and in everything else that it essentially talks about. It can not be trusted nor taken very seriously to base a serious faith on. At best, one would only be speculating when he tries to use the Bible to prove anything. Islam is the only Religion, which is by the way also the Only True and uncorrupt Divine Religion remaining today, that confirms the Truth in the Bible and removes the falsehood from it.

WE BEAR OUR OWN SINS:

“No one can redeem the life of another or give to God a ransom for them—the ransom for a life is costly, no payment is ever enough.” [Psalm 49:7-8]
“No soul can carry the sins of another soul. If a soul that is full with sins implores another to bear part of its load, no other soul can carry any part of it, even if they were related. The only people to heed your warnings are those who fear their Lord, even when alone in their privacy, and observe the Contact Prayers. Whoever purifies his soul, does so for his own good. To Allah is the final destiny.” [Qur’an 35:18]
“The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.” [Deuteronomy 24:16]

THE SIGN OF THE PROPHET JONAH:

Jesus said, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” [Matthew 12:39-40 KJV]
Jesus (pbuh) made it very clear that he will not die because his condition will be like Jonah’s, meaning ALIVE! Second point is that the heart of the earth is not suggesting that he was or would be buried underground as Christians claim is meant by this part. According to Christians and the scriptures, Jesus’ body was placed above ground in a tomb so therefore this doesn’t line up with the prophesy. Last point is that the ”heart of the earth” is ironically the center of the earth. Geographically the center of the earth is Mekkah where the previous prophets of God paid their homage to the House that Abraham built which is known as the Kab’ba. So by the overwhelming evidences, Jesus was raised up to Almighty God alive and wasn’t crucified as Christians believe he was…it’s really just that simple!
Note that the Kab’ba is the very same place where millions of Muslims visit every year for Hajj (pilgrimage), so it is highly probable that Jesus himself fulfilled his pilgrimage too! This verse in Matthew 12:39 does not support the Christian’s weak interpretation suggesting that Jesus died and was resurrected three days later. Logical thinking must be applied here without prejudice.

3 DAYS AND 3 NIGHTS?

According to the NT of the Bible, Whoever was crucified, was executed on Friday at about the 6th hour (Mark 14:12-17 & 15:23) and taken down later that evening at about the 9th hour (Mark 15:34 & Matthew 27:51-52) because the Jews did not want to break the Sabbath. Then very early on Sunday morning when some women came to the tomb to annoint the body with spices, the body was mysteriously gone! So from Friday to Saturday is 1 full day, and from Saturday to early Sunday morning is a half a day. The total is 1 and a half days, equivelant to roughly 36 hours not a full 72 hours that would equal 3 whole days, so this prophesy failed…WOW![/b]
Commot for hear.
Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by analice107: 4:13pm On Sep 11, 2016
aminusanti:


so finally no answer to my previuos question ?
b4 i even use ur own bible against u, now tell them who was jesus crying to on the cross?? oops! sorry he was asking himself i forgt.
the statement attributed to jesus in matthew 27:46 is totally wrong bcus GOD will never forsake his messenger and there r many verses in bible that will contradict this verse.
u pipu are funny i swear u are not even aware how alot verses are contradicting each other in the bible yet u are here argueing with full force. All i can say is May GOD open your heart to see the light. smiley

What did you say? hahahahahahahahaha. How long did Allah forsook muhammed after he ate poisoned meat before he eventually died? Think before you talk.
Jesus was never forsaken, If he was, then he wouldn't have resurrected from the death.
Keep shifting the goal post. It wont be long, I'll Catch you saying Jesus Christ died then i will call you back, then you'll deny saying it

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Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by analice107: 4:32pm On Sep 11, 2016
Demmzy15:
You're seriously an amateur. You make a proclamation without providing any proofs and you accuse me of lying when I asked for one? Sense is really scarce I must say!

I'm not buying or downloading any book, if you want to prove your points, kindly present it here let's all see. Your proves must surely be from the Qur'an and hadith, so bring them here!

How forgetful of me. How can i ask a muslim to go read a book? All you read must be oIslamic in content. Besides, that book is not actually against Isalm. Reading that book one will even be disgusted with the propagators of the Crusades, but what can i say? Muslims will always be Muslims. Any book that is not written by a Muslim must not be read, how sad.
Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by analice107: 4:43pm On Sep 11, 2016
Demmzy15:


Just as how when the British began ruling Nigeria, our system of government changed. The north which ruled by Sharia ceased to continue. The Jews engaged Jesus similarly about the issue of taxes, they wanted a way to trap him in between the authority and the law.



Empty barrels make the most noise, I'll appreciate it if you can stop making noise and disprove what I said.

Hahahahahahahaha. You figured this all by yourself or you read it somewhere? Oh dear.

Jesus was arrested by Jews and taken to Pontius Pilate the Roman. The Roman asked what the Issue was, The Jews said, "According to their Jewish Laws, this man deserves to die". The Roman took time to interrogate Jesus, he found him not guilty and sort to release him, but the Jews insisted that according to their Jewish Laws, Jesus must die and the Roman washed his hands publicly to be guiltless of the dead of Christ.
The Jews said, Kill him, don't worry, we will bear the guilt. That day was the eve of the PastOver Feast, for that, they wont go into the midst of Romans.
The Roman Governor succumbed to the Laws and Traditions of the Jews and had Christ killed

Does that sound or seem like the Jews lost their laws and traditions under the Roman occupation?

Lolzz, pls...

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Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by analice107: 4:46pm On Sep 11, 2016
Demmzy15:


Just as how when the British began ruling Nigeria, our system of government changed. The north which ruled by Sharia ceased to continue. The Jews engaged Jesus similarly about the issue of taxes, they wanted a way to trap him in between the authority and the law.



Empty barrels make the most noise, I'll appreciate it if you can stop making noise and disprove what I said.
Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by Demmzy15(m): 11:04pm On Sep 11, 2016
analice107:


Hahahahahahahaha. You figured this all by yourself or you read it somewhere? Oh dear.

Jesus was arrested by Jews and taken to Pontius Pilate the Roman. The Roman asked what the Issue was, The Jews said, "According to their Jewish Laws, this man deserves to die". The Roman took time to interrogate Jesus, he found him not guilty and sort to release him, but the Jews insisted that according to their Jewish Laws, Jesus must die and the Roman washed his hands publicly to be guiltless of the dead of Christ.
The Jews said, Kill him, don't worry, we will bear the guilt. That day was the eve of the PastOver Feast, for that, they wont go into the midst of Romans.
The Roman Governor succumbed to the Laws and Traditions of the Jews and had Christ killed

No need for the epistles, Jesus an ordinary man had no right to apply the law without the supervision of the authority of Romans. According to King James, the two men who were crucified with Jesus were thieves, so I ask you, is crucifixion the punishment for stealing according to the Torah?

Does that sound or seem like the Jews lost their laws and traditions under the Roman occupation?

Lolzz, pls...

Jesus had no right to just punish anyone, if he does that he'll be treated as a rebel who has no respect for the authority. Everything in Palestine during the Roman Era followed the principles of the Romans, you report to them.

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Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by Demmzy15(m): 11:05pm On Sep 11, 2016
analice107:


How forgetful of me. How can i ask a muslim to go read a book? All you read must be oIslamic in content. Besides, that book is not actually against Isalm. Reading that book one will even be disgusted with the propagators of the Crusades, but what can i say? Muslims will always be Muslims. Any book that is not written by a Muslim must not be read, how sad.
Whatever points that's making you shiver, please present it here. You can copy and paste if it's a pdf or take a snap shot if it's an hardcopy, is that too hard for you?!

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Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by analice107: 11:18pm On Sep 11, 2016
Demmzy15:
Whatever points that's making you shiver, please present it here. You can copy and paste if it's a pdf or take a snap shot if it's an hardcopy, is that too hard for you?!
When i post it here you'll go on to tell me to read and tell you what it says. Don't read enh?
Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by Demmzy15(m): 11:23pm On Sep 11, 2016
analice107:

When i post it here you'll go on to tell me to read and tell you what it says. Don't read enh?
What is this one saying? undecided

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Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by analice107: 11:28pm On Sep 11, 2016
Demmzy15:


No need for the epistles, Jesus an ordinary man had no right to apply the law without the supervision of the authority of Romans. According to King James, the two men who were crucified with Jesus were thieves, so I ask you, is crucifixion the punishment for stealing according to the Torah?



Jesus had no right to just punish anyone, if he does that he'll be treated as a rebel who has no respect for the authority. Everything in Palestine during the Roman Era followed the principles of the Romans, you report to them.
hahahahahahahahahahaha. why do u do this to yourself biko?


So why did the Pharisee brought a sinner before him?
Jesus was an ordinary man just like every other ordinary man around, yet out of those ordinary men, an adulteress was brought to him to judge, but not those other ordinary men. I guess for People to have been brought to muhammed and him condemning them to death by stoning made him an extra ordinary man, a god right?

Are you deliberately stupid?

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Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by Demmzy15(m): 12:39am On Sep 12, 2016
analice107:

hahahahahahahahahahaha. why do u do this to yourself biko?

What's funny? You think you're making any sense abi, just continue to foool around!

So why did the Pharisee brought a sinner before him?
Jesus was an ordinary man just like every other ordinary man around, yet out of those ordinary men, an adulteress was brought to him to judge, but not those other ordinary men. I guess for People to have been brought to muhammed and him condemning them to death by stoning made him an extra ordinary man, a god right?

Jesus claimed to be the Messiah and majority of the Jews didn't believe. Till this day, they still don't believe he's their messiah, was it not this same Pharisees that made the Pilate crucify him? The woman they brought to him, they had interior motives as I've explained in my first post. They wanted to trap him, if Jesus said "stone her" he'll be in trouble with the authorities because he has no right to command such. And if he said "don't stone her" they(Jews) would all shout "we thought you're the Messiah, why can't you command us to stone her", so Jesus being a smart guy bailed himself out of this dilemma!

Are you deliberately stupid?

I'll keep ignoring you, I'll keep exposing the fallacy and idiocy in your posts so as the world would see that you're a good for nothing liar! Come up with another absurdity, I dey wait!

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Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by aminusanti(m): 5:08am On Sep 12, 2016
aminusanti:

so no answer to my previuos question ?
b4 i even use ur own bible against u, now tell them who was Jesus crying to on the cross?? oops! sorry he was asking himself i forgt.
the statement attributed to Jesus in matthew 27:46 is totally wrong bcus GOD will never forsake his messenger and there r many verses in bible that will contradict this verse.
u pipu are funny i swear u are not even aware how alot verses are contradicting each other in the bible yet u are here argueing with full force. All i can say is May GOD open your heart to see the light.

analice107:

Why did Allah forsook muhammed after he ate poisoned meat before he eventually died? Think before you talk.
[color=#990000]Jesus was never forsaken
, If he was, then he wouldn't have resurrected from the death.
Keep shifting the goal post. It wont be long, I'll Catch you saying Jesus Christ died then i will call you back, then you'll deny saying it :
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1- Pls carefully look at ur post above highlighted in red and my post also above it, u can see u clearly reject matthew 27:46 in which i already said in my post above that we muslim didnt bliv in that verse as the word of jesus. now who is the liar there pls matthew or you?

2- From your own vision of the poisoning story of the prophet mohammed (s.w.a)
* did he died immediately after eating the poison?
* provide us with a verse or hadith that shows he died after eating poison
provide d above then i will tell you what ur source of info never explain to you..
Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by plappville(f): 2:00pm On Sep 12, 2016
analice107:

hahahahahahahahahahaha. why do u do this to yourself biko?


So why did the Pharisee brought a sinner before him?
Jesus was an ordinary man just like every other ordinary man around, yet out of those ordinary men, an adulteress was brought to him to judge, but not those other ordinary men. I guess for People to have been brought to muhammed and him condemning them to death by stoning made him an extra ordinary man, a god right?

Are you deliberately stupid?

You have hited the head already. Kudos... kiss kiss
Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by plappville(f): 2:00pm On Sep 12, 2016
Demmzy15:


No need for the epistles, Jesus an ordinary man had no right to apply the law without the supervision of the authority of Romans. According to King James, the two men who were crucified with Jesus were thieves, so I ask you, is crucifixion the punishment for stealing according to the Torah?



Jesus had no right to just punish anyone, if he does that he'll be treated as a rebel who has no respect for the authority. Everything in Palestine during the Roman Era followed the principles of the Romans, you report to them.

Confusion. ... cheesy grin
Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by plappville(f): 2:02pm On Sep 12, 2016
Jay542:

You're not ready to broaden your horizon. Please don't quote me again.

Same thing here... angry
Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by plappville(f): 2:05pm On Sep 12, 2016
aminusanti:
whats dis outcast saying?
will not waste my time on you bcus even d christians that u are trying to help by all possible means give no damn about u for being a catholic n they Bliv Hell is ur final destination.

By all possible means? Hahaha... now.thats becoming funny. The OP is so funny that no Muslim could dare answer cheesy

You know allah promised you 72 virgins if you kill for him. You and i who is going to hell?
Re: Open Question For Muslims And Christians. by plappville(f): 2:24pm On Sep 12, 2016
aminusanti:

ur posts r too dry n lame for someone to waste his time on

Quit making excuses and spreading ur lies trying to justify ur barbaric pedop.hile that u worship.
Muslims are encouraged to kill others .thats a fact!!!

Muhamm.ad Mum should have done only romance with his dad. It would have saved the world a lot of wars and hate.

Islam is a virus (cancer) on this planet. cant you read the hand writings on the wall? Many are brainwashed up to the extent of killing babies in thier stroller on a national day where people are happy and sharing love.

Islam is a typical demonic religion. angry anytime people are gathered, islam will come and course havoc. Now, its scaring to gather in a public place in France.

Take the OP serious or not. I will keep posting updates of islamic evil agendas. angry

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