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Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by Nobody: 8:54pm On Sep 20, 2016 |
Japan's demographic challenges are well- known : It' s home to the world 's oldest population and has a shrinking birthrate and an astonishing number of single people. And it seems that , despite government efforts to incentivize marriage and child -rearing , things aren't't quite trending in the right direction. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/09/16/japan-has-a-worrying-number-of-virgins-government-finds/?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_3_na |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by Davash222(m): 8:59pm On Sep 20, 2016 |
Caveat Emptor |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by DIKEnaWAR: 9:10pm On Sep 20, 2016 |
The Japs are the most 'diskplined' (I did not plagiarize Buhari o) people. Everything has its time and place. If you are not ready, no need to start. If you start, you can't quit or fail. I have been doing business with them for long and their ways are almost robotic and boring; as if a central machine somewhere programmed and is controlling them. We can supply them 200 northerners ONLY, with their wives and watch the population gallop in triple digits every month. 15 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by PMPhoenix(m): 9:21pm On Sep 20, 2016 |
DIKEnaWAR: .....or their small eyes make it significantly difficult for their men to find the hole 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by Gric: 9:32pm On Sep 20, 2016 |
Someone help on how to locate Japan mbok...Eritrea is already congested. 1 Like |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by Nobody: 10:21pm On Sep 20, 2016 |
Asia is one continent dat values their culture!! These people re complaining abt abundance of virgins in their country while virgins re almost extinct in Nigeria!!..Hmm!! 11 Likes |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by oyomii(f): 1:48am On Sep 21, 2016 |
The OP made it seem like it's a problem 2 Likes |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by eleojo23: 4:04am On Sep 21, 2016 |
How is that something to worry about? 2 Likes |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by Acidosis(m): 8:00am On Sep 21, 2016 |
nice one Japan is one of the most (I think the MOST) industrialized nation in the world. They are no. 1 in the world of computer chips, electronics (LG, Samsung, etc.). 2nd largest producer of automobile. Interest rates in Japan is less than 2%, while unemployment rate is less than 4%. Therefore, it is safe to say that high risk sex and sexual relationships are correlated to stagflation, inflation, gross underdevelopment and crass unemployment as seen in Nigeria. Donald Trump is right after all: Donald Trump Says Africans Are Lazy Fools, Only Good in Sex http://naijaside.com/donald-trump-says-africans-are-lazy-fools-only-good-in-sex-stealing-and-cheating-read/ It is common knowledge that development brings about low population growth and reduced frequency of sex. I won't be surprised to also hear that we have more virgins and singles in Lagos state than Benue or Ekiti state. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by TV01(m): 11:26am On Sep 21, 2016 |
Joavid:It's not the economy - not in a major sense anyway. People have kids whatever their financial circumstances. We have families of six living under bridges don't we? The root cause here is the immorality - and the breakdown of the family - that godlessness ultimately brings, along with concupiscent humanism/materialism. Additionally amplified by the isolation that technological progress facilitates. Yes, technology is great, but withut a return to God, it will not restore fallen man, only help him fall further. It's why I laugh at this thread; https://www.nairaland.com/3360368/letter-daughter-mark-zuckerberg. Pretty much none of the countries that can be described as Western are experiencing real growth (immigration apart). They can't even help re-seed each other. Hence the recourse to Ironically, the cultures they are trying to absorb will turn on them like an organ transplant gone wrong - to horrendous effect. It's hard to see this as anything less than judgement of sorts. Acidosis:I believe Samsung is a South Korean company. I'm not sure how you captured "high risk" sex, unless you mean risk in terms of conception? Which is actually the point of sex, so that's probably best termed as "high reward" or "success". None of those economic indicators you listed are the root cause here. Historically these nations had large, stable families, which were the engine for their early economic growth. And most Western economies including Japan are struggling somewhat at the minute. How many children does Donald Trump have? He a wigga . Probably blasts gangsta rap and has Melania twerk when the cameras are off . TV 1 Like |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by crackhaus: 11:35am On Sep 21, 2016 |
Joavid:Saw a little bit of this docu-series on CNN yesterday, and the consensus is that the high percentage of men/women who are still virgins has a lot to do with cultural values and work ethics. |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by crackhaus: 12:02pm On Sep 21, 2016 |
Acidosis:At first look, it's normal to assume that development has something to do with sexual relations and you won't be wrong..but if you look at it closely, you'll realize this isn't the main reason—if it were, countries like the US, Canada, UK, and Scandinavian countries would also have high percentage of virgins. The very first reason, before development, is rooted in culture. Unlike Africans, Asian countries like Japan and China do not joke with their culture—unmarried men and women will most likely not have sex until they are married. Why dont they get married early? This is where your opinion of development now comes in. Over 60% of the entire Chinese population (almost the same figure with the Japs) live in well-developed urban areas—meaning, more people which are basically youths, work and have less time for 'unnecessary sex'. You can imagine how the traditional cultures of these countries which span over a thousand years, still have managed to survive despite their technological and scientific advancements—and the admirable thing about it is that these cultures have absolutely nothing to do with Christianity/Islam which vehemently prohibits pre-marital sex. 1 Like |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by TV01(m): 12:47pm On Sep 21, 2016 |
crackhaus:I stand to be corrected, but I don't think either Japanese or Chinese cultures prohibit PMS - very few advanced high-tech countries do, if any? The issue in Japan seems to boiled down to an "apathy" - mostly by men - to actually engage women. Given what has has gone before, this situation, this malaise, is viewed with concern. With no strong cultural or religious imperatives families are not forming. With the isolation that technology can bring, relationships are not happening - not at the levels required for sustainability anyway. Under certain conditions, men will take the easy option. Spending their time & indulging their sexual fantasies online. Slobbing out, not making an effort. It is not working conditions or the economic climate causing this. Japanese men are known for the fascination with sexually explicit - and in instances degenerate - material, including schoolgirl obsessions and the like. Other Western nations whilst having the sex/relationships, are also failing to form the the families and breed at the required levels. Similar outcomes, if somewhat differing pathways. It's not about sex being prohibited, it's about sex being divorced from procreation and family, and taking on weird forms. Japan and China are at opposite ends of the spectrum here. And it's worth noting that communities with strong Christian faiths typically produce large and stable families. TV 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by crackhaus: 1:00pm On Sep 21, 2016 |
TV01:You will first have to determine what you view to be Chinese/Japanese culture in respect to their most practised religions, then we can figure out if these religions frown on pre-marital sex. About Jap men having weird sexual obsessions, this is not the majority—unless you're implying po.rn actors represent the majority. The docu-series I saw yesterday on the subject had a face-to-face interview with a working class Japanese man who is a virgin at well above 30. |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by TV01(m): 1:57pm On Sep 21, 2016 |
crackhaus:It appears to me that virginity per se is not the issue here. The levels of virginity are merely indicative of the fact that Japanese people of "an age", are not forming relationships. And relationships not forming means marriages not happening and child-rearing not taking place - at the requisite levels. PMS whether permitted or frowned upon is a side issue. It's the outcome - below replacement birthrates that are the concern. The rest of the West have all types of PMS and are also suffering the same below replacement birthrate situation. Was he above 30 and a virgin because of socio-religious restrictions? A lack of partners? Or simply personal issues. No, lots of Japanese men have given up on the "stress" of chasing women in favour of more readily accessible and less hassle forms of "sex" & "pastimes. Without the demands of a wife and kids, there is little or no burden, or motivation to over-produce - which is a family man's lot - leading to a vicious circle of more opted out and unmarriageable men - they don't even have the interest sef. There is obviously not a strong enough religion, or historical culture to stop, or reverse this trend. Equality would suggest the women chase the men, and take on the burden of expectation . TV 1 Like |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by crackhaus: 2:51pm On Sep 21, 2016 |
TV01:Okay let me try going over it again, it seems you didn't quite see how I connected sex-culture-development-culture-sex. The study shows that virginity in young Japanese men and women is unusually high. Acidosis believes this has to do with development, and he is right to believe so. The problem however is — Japan isn't the only country on earth to be highly industrialized/developed, so development cannot be the underlying reason for such numbers simply because many other developed nations (e.g US, Canada, Australia, etc) do not record the same high percentages of virginity in their young men/women. It's imperative therefore that we shift our gaze to something else - Marriage. It's quite obvious that this group of Japs who are virgins aren't married, because married people will definitely be having sex. The next question then becomes, why aren't so many people married? The answer to this goes back and gives credence to Acid's opinion on development, which might also include your opinion on how men are not as eager to chase women perhaps due to the influnce of equality...still all part of development. I also mentioned how there are a large number of people living in urban areas (E.g Tokyo) and as such, are mostly working class who simply just don't have time for 'unnecessary' sexual encounters. Still, there is a disconnect - Young unmarried men and women living in urban areas and enjoying the benefits of development, still does not stop them from having sex once in a while. Meaning there has to be something else to consider. This is where traditional/religious cultural influence comes to play and reveals everything. A young unmarried 30yr old American or Canadian is almost 50times more likely to have premarital sex than a young unmarried 30yr old Japanese or Chinese. Why is this? It isn't because of development, living in urban areas, or equality—which countries on both ends actually share, it has to be because of their completely different cultural perspectives. Of course the Japanese have been influenced by Western way of life even more so than the Chinese, but traditional Japanese/Chinese culture still frown against casual sex between unmarried people even though it isn't a crime in the Constitution nor something that is physically criminalized. Even if an average Japanese man engages in premarital sex, he won't be so brazen and publicly non-chalant about it the way an American would - they are both living in developed countries, but mindset is still very much different. Hopefully I made more sense to you this time...lol . My hand dey pain me 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by TV01(m): 3:06pm On Sep 21, 2016 |
crackhaus:Taking everything that was written prior to the quote as read, I'm still unclear. Even if PMS is frowned upon (as in Christianity) it doesn't mean relationships, specifically marriage are? Like I said, it's not about virginity, or PMS. It's about "why are they not marrying"? Indeed, PMS is typically frowned upon to ensure purity within marriage. Does the culture/religion frown upon PMS and Marriage PMS is frowned upon in most traditional/historical contexts. It's a very recent thing for the most part, hence the schizophrenia/hypocrisy in a lot of places, where they have not made the full transition. And, government have no interest in who is or isn't having sex, or who is a virgin, be that immediate, once, or twice removed . What they are concerned with is population demographics, specifically birthrates here. And Japan and China are at opposite ends of the replacement spectrum. It's not culture driving this, this is actually anti-culture. TV 1 Like |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by Nobody: 4:08pm On Sep 21, 2016 |
oyomii: I didn't say it is. am yet to comment. |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by Nobody: 4:08pm On Sep 21, 2016 |
eleojo23: am still trying to find out myself. |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by TV01(m): 4:19pm On Sep 21, 2016 |
oyomii: eleojo23: Joavid:It's not the levels of virginity, or pre-marital sex. The concern is about the birthrate, and an a priori low level or relationships that will potentially lead to marriage and children - read the first line. The headline is slightly mis-leading. TV 1 Like |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by crackhaus: 4:34pm On Sep 21, 2016 |
TV01:Lol, the article is about virginity...the survey was built around it, and any subsequent discourse has to come from that angle. Why are there so many virgins? Large numbers of young people are unmarried. Why are they not married? You have explained why by your own understanding. What I need to ask then to better understand your perspective is this: Does being unmarried stop people from having sex in japan? If so, why? ...and furthermore, why has these same reasons not stopped unmarried people from having sex in places like US or Germany that don't record the same high percentage of virgins? 6 Likes |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by crackhaus: 4:39pm On Sep 21, 2016 |
TV01:The docu-series aired yesterday on CNN and was about virginity. The man who was interviewed probably didn't want his face shown, so the top half of his body was outside the camera angle. |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by Nobody: 4:49pm On Sep 21, 2016 |
oyomii: Actually it is... as low birthrate means higher death rate meaning a larger percentage of the populace are older and dying citizens which automatically equals lesser working population/low work force or labour force which in turn sends the economy southwards...so they really need to start fvcking and having kids everywhere seriously |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by TV01(m): 4:57pm On Sep 21, 2016 |
crackhaus:That was the headline, but the real concern is the falling birthrate. And why are they virgins? Because they are not forming relationships, which begs the question.... crackhaus:As above crackhaus:Because they are not forming relationships. There does no thave to be PMS for there to be marriage - see below. crackhaus:It's almost a moot point, or at best, one that is answered in passing. The issue is what is preventing relationships, ultimately marriages, which is the surest way to raise the birthrate. No society is strict - as in against PMS - whilst at the same time not esteeming marriage. And where PMS is frowned upon, marriage will happen more, as it's the surest way to actually get sex crackhaus:It's not having sex, or even not having sex. It's about relationships that lead to marriage and hence births. In the places you mentioned, even with high levels of PMS, marriage and birthrates are falling for indigene. In neither case is it about PMS or lack of PMS. Or solely/mainly about the economy - which will always influence some people either way. TV 1 Like |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by crackhaus: 6:13pm On Sep 21, 2016 |
TV01:Lol, but that's the point I've been making nah. In those developed countries and with their high levels of PMS, there's also much less number of virgins. Low rates of marriages, aging population, and low birthrates are a consequence of less sexual relationships between unmarried people in Japan, not the cause. The guy that was interviewed on CNN was talking about his virginity, TV01. 4 Likes |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by austine4real(m): 6:15pm On Sep 21, 2016 |
Nigerian youths see our life outside oooo |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by Nobody: 6:19pm On Sep 21, 2016 |
TV01: yea. virgins can't get pregnant. and to have kids, you gotta have sex. 1 Like |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by TV01(m): 6:25pm On Sep 21, 2016 |
crackhaus:Ok. My point was, PMS or not, if there is not a strong culture/religion pointing to marriage, it will suffer and birthrates will fall. The same root cause, with some variation, may take differening pathways, but leads to the same outcome. The Japanese are highly heterogenous - or xenophobic if you prefer to think badly of them - only 1 in 60 or so is non-Japanese, and they look down on even the Koreans (ethnically the same). I wonder how they will retrieve the situation? TV |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by TV01(m): 6:28pm On Sep 21, 2016 |
Joavid:...typically before kids, a relationship of sorts is formed. And hopefully it will result in marriage and kids. Married parents in an intact biological family is still the best way to raise kids ATBE - hence why governments encourage it. TV |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by metallisc(m): 8:14pm On Sep 21, 2016 |
oyomii: it is a problem, where future human resource and workforce are concerned! China has the same problem now, so they are considering repealing their one couple one child policy. it is a big issue, socially and politically! |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by metallisc(m): 8:18pm On Sep 21, 2016 |
TV01: don't worry about that, when i get there they will find out after three years only! for now, let me sharpen my ' farm tool' for the impending large scale cultivation exercise! |
Re: Japan Has A Worrying Number Of Virgins, Government Finds by Chubhie: 9:17pm On Sep 21, 2016 |
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