lexiconkabir:


I tried to see if i can find a similar fatwa on the issue, and i found this;

Question:

Does using perfumes that contain alcohol interfere with the validity of the prayer?.

Shaykh munajid replies:

Praise be to Allaah.
There is nothing wrong with using alcohol-based perfumes on the body and on clothes, and that does not affect the validity of the prayer. The scholars differed as to the nature of the impurity (najaasah) of alcohol: is it physical or metaphorical?

Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) said when he was asked about the impurity of alcohol and cologne:

The basic principle is that things are pure (taahir) unless there is evidence to indicate that they are impure (najis). When there is no evidence to indicate that something is impure, then the basic principle is that it is pure. But it is evil (khabeeth) in a practical and metaphorical sense. However, the fact that a thing is forbidden does not necessarily mean that it is impure. Do you not see that poison is haraam but it is not najis (impure)? Everything that is najis is haraam, but nor everything that is haraam is najis.

Based on that, we say concerning cologne and similar things: they are not najis, because alcohol in and of itself is not najis. There is evidence for the opinion that we have mentioned, so cologne and similar things are not najis either, and as they are not najis, the clothing does not have to be purified from them. End quote.

Majmoo‘ Fataawa al-Shaykh al-‘Uthaymeen, 11/252

Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen was also asked:

If it is proven that a perfume contains alcohol, can a person put it on his clothing and go out to pray?

He answered:

It should be noted that pure alcohol is not najis and it does not have to be washed from the clothing or the body. Once you understand that, you will know that perfumes that contain alcohol, even if the ratio is high, are not najis. End quote.

Liqa’ al-Baab al-Maftooh, 176, question no. 4


https://islamqa.info/en/164448

Laid2001:
JAZAKUM LAH KHAERAN.

THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO HANDLE ISSUES LIKE THIS. wITH EVIDENCE.

lexiconkabir:
^^ And its cheap too......

Empiree:
A bit expensive at local stores. I buy each for $5

lexiconkabir:


Now thats expensive almost 1600 over here if converted to naira.....

Empiree:
You may never want to buy anything (if you live in the US) if you think about exchange rate.

lexiconkabir:


Naira is so worthless now...its sad, the ghanian 5 cedi equals Nigerian 400 naira.....we are in a big mess.

modskiller:
Which one is it now,

is it Good or Bad to use perfumes abeg, this is quite confusing.

Souljaboi1:
This thread is like a discussion board between students of Shaykh Najmideen and Duktoor Sharafuddeen Raaji.

May Allaah bless the Sincere Tulaab with beneficial Knowledge.

Aamiin

lexiconkabir:


Funny enough Doctor sharafdeen Raaji(hafidhahullaah) is one of my teachers, i learn from him, but i dont know shaykh Najmdeen, do you have links to his lectures?



Aameen...

cola:
May Allah preserve the scholars of the Deen and keep us on the Truth and Guidance.

The scholars have given a fatwa.

I, though, as long as there are alternatives to these achoolic perfumes, would rather choose to use the alternatives even if a bit more expensive or less effective.

BTW, can one also extend this argument to their use as preservatives in cakes, bread and other food items since no matter how much bread or cake one eats, one would not be intoxicated? Or that's over the top?

Anyway, my reference in this and similar matters always is the Hadith of Nu'man bn Basheer: alhalaal bayyin, walharaam bayyin, wabaynahuma umuurun mushtabihaat... Whoever avoids these doubtful matters protects his Deen... Ref Hadith 2 in Imaaam Nawawi's selection.

Wa-LLahu a'laam wahuwal musta'an.

lexiconkabir:

Is alcohol impure(najis)?

lexiconkabir:

The keyword there is "DRINKING"

lexiconkabir:

Alcohol is impermissible if and only if the consumer has the intention of drinking it, anything other than that, is permissible...

shawl:


Yes it is and your salah is invalid if it is on you because the prophet, saw, prohibited us from coming into contact with it.

Moreover, something does not have to be najis for it to invalidate salah. For example passing wind invalidates salah but passing wind itself is not najis, if it was, we would have been required to go for taharat before renewing our ablution.

Also, some of the scholars who seek permissibility of using alcohol based perfume say so on the understanding that besides the alcoholic content being small in the perfume, this quantity does not really end up touching you because the alcoholic content evaporates as it is fired through the diffuser of the pressurized container. They did not seek the permissibility based on that the alcohol can be left on you or your cloth.

The prophet, saw, has cursed ten people involved in alcohol:

The one who squeezes (the grapes etc), the one for whom it is squeezed, the one who drinks it, the one who carries it, the one to whom it is carried, the one who pours it, the one who sells it and consumes its price, the one who buys it and the one for whom it is bought.

It is obvious that these people have been cursed by the prophet, saw, irrespective of whether their intention is to drink it or not. Moreover, I also see the universal applicability of this hadith over all ages. For example, it is applicable to the present day situation: the producers can be likened to the modern day breweries, the carriers the modern day logistics, the buyers and sellers and profiteers to the modern day bear parlours, club houses etc where money exchange hands in alcoholic sales and profits among the patroziners. However you only chose to see 'drinking' as the only intention for which involvement in alcohol is sinful.

By your declaration



You have inadvertently opened the door to all kinds of sinful involvement with alcohol. For example, it can be extrapolated from your conclusion that a muslim can setup a brewery if his only intentions is to make profit and not consume alcohol. A muslim can work in a brewery, sell alcohol, or profit from its logistics as far as his intention is not to drink from the alcohol. Well it is your words against the holy prophet's, saw.

lexiconkabir:

Well you have to prove that alcohol is najis. I'm yet to see a scholar that called it najis..

lexiconkabir:

This does not follow because the prophet specifically mentioned "hadath" i.e passing wind, stooling, urine and something similar invalidates salaah, so this cant be used!

lexiconkabir:

what was the purpose of this thread in the first place? Isnt it because of using alcohol based perfume?

lexiconkabir:


Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen was also asked:

If it is proven that a perfume contains alcohol, can a person put it on his clothing and go out to pray?

He answered:

It should be noted that pure alcohol is not najis and it does not have to be washed from the clothing or the body. Once you understand that, you will know that perfumes that contain alcohol, even if the ratio is high, are not najis. End quote.

Liqa’ al-Baab al-Maftooh, 176, question no. 4


https://islamqa.info/en/164448

shawl:


Scholars have explained that the hadith about the non acceptance of your salah for forty days if you took alcohol is because it is najis and it takes the body that long for it to completely get rid of the alcohol from your body system. (imam Suyuti, ibn Qayyim)

Therefore this hadith and the schorlarly explanations can serve as bases to realize the status of alcohol as najis.

What you have above is hadith too.

But that did not stop you from generalizing to say that only consumption of alcohol is sinful starkly against the hadith of the holy prophet, saw.

If my non muslim neighbor called me on my way home to ask me to get him a bottle of alcohol and I confirmed from him that he was not going to drink it but will be used to 'wash his newly bought car', as some people do here, is it be permissible for me go get it for him?

lexiconkabir:


Hope you still following the thread?

modskiller:


No, i am quite confused here.

lexiconkabir:

This is obviously haraam since the drink that is used for "washing" was made for DRINKING, so it still falls under DRINKING, i dont think you understand my position all along.

shawl:

How can you tell me that "Alcohol is impermissible if and only if the consumer has the intention of drinking it, anything other than that, is permissible", then turn around to tell me that I sinned for assisting my non muslim neighbour get a bottle of alcohol which he used for a purpose besides drinking.

Can't you see that you are by now shifting the goal post by claiming that the producers intent for producing for drinking makes my logistic assist for my neighbor sinful. This contradicts your quoted statement.

I put it to you that your submissions don't add up and is capable of misguiding your readers.

So if Allahu ta'ala calls it a defilement, uncleanness, etc from among the works of shaytan and warned us to keep away from it and the holy prophet, saw, told us of its effect on our prayer for 40 days and the eminent scholars of the deen who preceded the people you quoted, have said that that is because it takes that long for the last contaminatory molecules of the taken alcohol to exit our body system, then are these not enough evidences to "indicate" or "suggest" (as you and the people you are quoting claim) that alcohol is an impurity?

Also, is the holy prophet's statement that the one who dies in the habit of drinking alcohol will be made to drink from the worst of all impurities from jahannam also not a pointer to it that alcohol is considered impure?

lexiconkabir:


What exactly is the confusion?

My stand is, it is not haraam(with sufficient proofs) but safer to stay away from it, however anyone doing it is not sinning.

His stand is that it is haraam..