FriendChoice:



Bring the remove verse sir, I think Christians existed during the time, they must have a copy bring it sir.


This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed my favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion. Qur'an, 5:3

onetrack:


It is right in front of you. The Quran had multiple early versions and verses removed. This is confirmed in the hadiths and in the early versions found of the Quran. Your choice to see it or not to see it.

raphieMontella:
friendchoice....are you saying the quran is from a creator God#allah?
Divinely inspired?
And not prone to interpolations,,removal etc?

FriendChoice:


My choice also

I thought you have eyes, show me one verse

Bible is older than Quran, yet the record are there, SHOW ME FORMER VERSE OF THE QURAN.

Allah has completed and choose Islam for us.

onetrack:


Why is the stoning verse not in the Quran?

FriendChoice:


Stop wasting my time if you cannot provide the verse that was not inside..... Bring the older verse. I would not reply you except you provide that stoning verse from the old version of Qur'an you claim. You shouldn't see my reply again except I see that verse.

FriendChoice:



Bring the remove verse sir, I think Christians existed during the time, they must have a copy bring it sir.


This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed my favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion. Qur'an, 5:3

FriendChoice:



If we do consider the numerous – thousand copies
in the world- copies of Qur’an, we will notice that
they are identical except some letters that do not
change the meaning of the verse, but add other
meanings. This is known as ‘’Qur’an variants’’ or
Qur’an reading manners. The proof is that scientists
and especially doubtful persons such as Orientalists
haven’t found any Qur’an copy that opposes the
current Qur’an.

This is confirmed by the noble verse: ‘

’We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). (Al-Hijr –Stone land-:9) :

Allah has promised to protect the Qur’an, so all copies must be identical, a thing that we can witness. Although big efforts used by doubtful and atheists, they could not find any proof to show that Qur’an is distorted. This is why they had recourse to fabricated hadiths, weak hadiths and incorrect stories in some exegesis books to prove their theory, but they failed to convince people that Qur’an is distorted.






This And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura likenthereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides God, if your (doubts) are true. But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot-then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.’’ (Al-Baqara –23-24).

Glorified is Allah! Even these attempts against Qur’an serve it!


Hence, researchers follow a very important rule to
prove the distortion through contradictions and
differences, a rule that has been set 14 centuries
before by Qur’an. Here Allah the Almighty says
about His Book:

‘’ And if it had been from (anywhere) other than the Providence of Allah, indeed they would have found in it many difference (s).’’ (An-Nisa –Women-:82) So, the divine book must be with no mistake, no contradiction, but the distorted one is full of contradictions, which is the case of Torah nowadays







[b]1. Why not produced a book like Quran?

“Say: ‘If all mankind and the jinn would come together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce its like even though they exerted all and their strength in aiding one another.’” (Quran 17:88)

2. Next, Allah made the challenge ostensibly easier by asking those who denied its divine origin to imitate even ten chapters of the Quran:

“Or do they say that he has invented it? Say (to them), ‘Bring ten invented chapters like it, and call (for help) on whomever you can besides God, if you are truthful.” (Quran 11:13). “Or do they say that he has invented it?


3. This final challenge was to produce even a single chapter to match what is in the Quran, whose shortest chapter, al-Kawthar, consists of only three verses:

“And if you all are in doubt about what I have revealed to My servant, bring a single chapter like it, and call your witnesses besides God if you are truthful.” (Quran 2:23) [/b]

FriendChoice:


Sir you may have hadith that is not authenticated but not Qur'an. You onetrack can also type and edit Quran but doesn't mean it will be accepted by Muslim. Am still on my stand, bring those former verses that you said its edited.

FriendChoice:



If we do consider the numerous – thousand copies
in the world- copies of Qur’an, we will notice that
they are identical except some letters that do not
change the meaning of the verse, but add other
meanings. This is known as ‘’Qur’an variants’’ or
Qur’an reading manners. The proof is that scientists
and especially doubtful persons such as Orientalists
haven’t found any Qur’an copy that opposes the
current Qur’an.

This is confirmed by the noble verse: ‘

’We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). (Al-Hijr –Stone land-:9) :

Allah has promised to protect the Qur’an, so all copies must be identical, a thing that we can witness. Although big efforts used by doubtful and atheists, they could not find any proof to show that Qur’an is distorted. This is why they had recourse to fabricated hadiths, weak hadiths and incorrect stories in some exegesis books to prove their theory, but they failed to convince people that Qur’an is distorted.

This And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura likenthereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides God, if your (doubts) are true. But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot-then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.’’ (Al-Baqara –23-24).

Glorified is Allah! Even these attempts against Qur’an serve it!

Hence, researchers follow a very important rule to
prove the distortion through contradictions and
differences, a rule that has been set 14 centuries
before by Qur’an. Here Allah the Almighty says
about His Book:

‘’ And if it had been from (anywhere) other than the Providence of Allah, indeed they would have found in it many difference (s).’’ (An-Nisa –Women-:82) So, the divine book must be with no mistake, no contradiction, but the distorted one is full of contradictions, which is the case of Torah nowadays

1. Why not produced a book like Quran?

“Say: ‘If all mankind and the jinn would come together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce its like even though they exerted all and their strength in aiding one another.’” (Quran 17:88)

2. Next, Allah made the challenge ostensibly easier by asking those who denied its divine origin to imitate even ten chapters of the Quran:

“Or do they say that he has invented it? Say (to them), ‘Bring ten invented chapters like it, and call (for help) on whomever you can besides God, if you are truthful.” (Quran 11:13). “Or do they say that he has invented it?

3. This final challenge was to produce even a single chapter to match what is in the Quran, whose shortest chapter, al-Kawthar, consists of only three verses:

YOU KNOW ABOUT
JAPANESE HAIKU POETRY
MEASURED VERSES?

HOW COULD YOU SO,
WHEN ALL YOU KNOW IS
SUPERCILIOUS JUDGING?

MAYBE ALL YOU NEED
IS TO GET OUT THE MORE
SEE MORE WORLDS, EH?

“And if you all are in doubt about what I have revealed to My servant, bring a single chapter like it, and call your witnesses besides God if you are truthful.” (Quran 2:23) [/b]

shadeyinka:


How about the "satanic verses"? I believe you have heard of them.

Rushdie was almost killed for writing on this

lordnicklaus:

Very correct my brother, I even memorised it.

"Have you considered, Allat, Al-Uzza and Manat, they are the exalted ones whose intercession is most needed" - Sura 53:19. This sura was abrogated probably due to its idolatric content. Cc FriendChoice.

FriendChoice:


Ask your question sir. I am done with the previous quote of people. Its just waste of time. After I finish replying each and every they will still ask questions and couldnot give the so called older verse or version of the Quran. Ask your question waiting for you.

lordnicklaus:


Ok, can you prove the Quran is correct with these two verses?

1. "And the earth, We did spread out as a carpet......." - Surah 15:19

2. "He who did make for you, the earth stretched out as a carpet......" - Surah 20:53.


Allah has just commited a blunder by indirectly saying the earth is flat..

lordnicklaus:


Ok, can you prove the Quran is correct with these two verses?

1. "And the earth, We did spread out as a carpet......." - Surah 15:19

2. "He who did make for you, the earth stretched out as a carpet......" - Surah 20:53.


Allah has just commited a blunder by indirectly saying the earth is flat..

1. Earth made as a carpet

2. Carpet can also be spread on other than an absolute flat surface

3. Earth has been spread out

4. Earth is geospherical in shape

lordnicklaus:
Cc FriendChoice, answer my ques na.

FriendChoice:


The Qur’an mentions the actual shape of the earth in the following verse:

[size=18pt] "And we have made the earth egg shaped". [Al-Qur’an 79:30][/size]

The Arabic word Dahaha means egg shaped. It also means an expanse. Dahaha is derived from Duhiya which specifically refers to the egg of an ostrich which is geospherical in shape, exactly like the shape of the earth.

onetrack:


Just know that I have been assured by Arab exmuslims that dahaha means flat and spread out and not egg-shaped.

FriendChoice:


Does the Qur’an say that the Earth is flat?



The question refers to a verse from the Qur’an in Surah Nuh: "And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out)."
[Al-Qur’an 71:19]

But the sentence in the above verse is not complete. It continues in the next verse, explaining the previous verse. It says:

"That ye may go about therein, in spacious roads." [Al-Qur’an 71:20]

A similar message is repeated in Surah TaHa:

"He Who has made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels)...."
[Al-Qur’an 20:53]

The surface of the earth i.e. earth’s crust is less than 30 miles in thickness and is very thin as compared to the radius of the earth which is about 3750 miles. The deeper layers of the earth are very hot, fluid and hostile to any form of life. The earth’s crust is a solidified shell on which we can live. The Qur’an rightly refers to it like a carpet spread out, so that we can travel along its roads and paths.




[size=18pt]Not a single verse of the Qur’an says that the earth is flat [/size] The Qur’an only compares the earth’s crust with a carpet. Some people seem to think that carpet can only be put on an absolute flat surface. It is possible to spread a carpet on a large sphere such as the earth. It can easily be demonstrated by taking a huge model of the earth’s globe covering it with a carpet.

Carpet is generally put on a surface, which is not very comfortable to walk on. The Qur’an describes the earth crust as a carpet, without which human beings would not be able to survive because of the hot, fluid and hostile environment beneath it. The Qur’an is thus not only logical, it is mentioning a scientific fact that was discovered by geologists centuries later.



Similarly, the Qur’an says in several verses that the earth has been spread out.

"And We have spread out the (spacious) earth: how excellently We do spread out!" [Al-Qur’an 51:48]

Similarly the Qur’an also mentions in several other verses that the earth is an expanse:

"Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse" "And the mountains as pegs?" [Al-Qur’an 78:6-7]

None of these verses of the Qur’an contain even the slightest implication that the earth is flat. It only indicates that the earth is spacious and the reason for this spaciousness of the earth is mentioned. The Glorious Qur’an says:

"O My servants who believe! truly. spacious is My Earth: therefore serve ye Me –(And Me alone)!" [Al-Qur’an 29:56]

Therefore none can give the excuse, that he could not do good and was forced to do evil because of the surroundings and circumstances.

The Qur’an mentions the actual shape of the earth in the following verse:

[size=18pt] "And we have made the earth egg shaped". [Al-Qur’an 79:30][/size]

The Arabic word Dahaha means egg shaped. It also means an expanse. Dahaha is derived from Duhiya which specifically refers to the egg of an ostrich which is geospherical in shape, exactly like the shape of the earth.

lordnicklaus:

A carpet placed on the spherical earth would still be flat. Nowhere in the verse does it refer to plate tectonics if that is what you seem to imply.
Allah clearly says the earth has been stretched as a carpet.



The earth is perfectly spherical/geoidal. Comparing it to an egg would imply an oblong oval which is inconsistent. Also that the earth is round was already penned in the bible.

FriendChoice:


What do you want Quran to make example with ?

Isaiah 11:12
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)

lordnicklaus:

Very correct my brother, I even memorised it.

"Have you considered, Allat, Al-Uzza and Manat, they are the exalted ones whose intercession is most needed" - Sura 53:19. This sura was abrogated probably due to its idolatric content. Cc FriendChoice.

lordnicklaus:

Very correct my brother, I even memorised it.

"Have you considered, Allat, Al-Uzza and Manat, they are the exalted ones whose intercession is most needed" - Sura 53:19. This sura was abrogated probably due to its idolatric content. Cc FriendChoice.

lordnicklaus:


The word translated as "corner" could also be translated as "points" and is in reference to the four cardinal points and not to a rectangular shaped earth as people imply. Also, could you post any Quranic reference to astronomy?

FriendChoice:


Yeah I will post more scientific things in Bible and Qur'an. I will even table them in new tread, I will mention you when done. But before I do so, on one condition. Produced a verse that says earth is flat in the Quran if not. Answer me with no verse. only then I will understand we are ready to go with you in the new tread. If you can compile then perfect. If you cannot, then no need in goin into another argument.

lordnicklaus:

I already posted it. Now, start the thread.

FriendChoice:



Bring the remove verse sir, I think Christians existed during the time, they must have a copy bring it sir.


This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed my favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion. Qur'an, 5:3

lordnicklaus:


The word translated as "corner" could also be translated as "points" and is in reference to the four cardinal points and not to a rectangular shaped earth as people imply. Also, could you post any Quranic reference to astronomy?

lordnicklaus:

A carpet placed on the spherical earth would still be flat. Nowhere in the verse does it refer to plate tectonics if that is what you seem to imply.
Allah clearly says the earth has been stretched as a carpet.

The earth is perfectly spherical/geoidal. Comparing it to an egg would imply an oblong oval which is inconsistent. Also that the earth is round was already penned in the bible.

shadeyinka:

[s]
Moslems used to bask in the notion that because the Qur'an is in Arabic, no christian would see the deep galaxies and contradiction to the earlier revealed religion (Judaism and Christianity).

Have you studied Quran S1:1-7
Ask them the question who dictated the surah
Was it Allah?
Was it Jubril? Or
Was it Mohammed?

Yet they say the Quran is the pure word of Allah!

Check out the whole of Suratl Yusuf and enjoy the Arabian tales by moonlight!

My problem with Moslems is they never ask questions about their religion!

There doctrine of abrogation is a proof that the Quran was never in existence in a tablet in heaven as they would want us to believe[/s]

http://sunnahonline.com/library/the-majestic-quran/455-tasfir-of-chapter-001-surah-al-fatihah-the-opening

I seriously don't know why you're flexing unnecessary muscles!