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| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by obailala(m): 9:03am On Oct 06, 2016 |
ephi123:Private investors rather than governments?... arent you aware the activities of those private investors are also regulated by their govts? Besides, the recovered moneys (e.g. TSA) cant just be spent like that, it isn't disposable money. Then the recovered loots are insignificant compared to what nigeria needs. |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by ephi123(f): 9:04am On Oct 06, 2016 |
obailala: Private investors are that - private. They are not regulated by their own government, besides obligation to pay their taxes. TSA can't be spent "like that" - okay, what should it be spent on? 1 Like |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by obidykeh20: 9:04am On Oct 06, 2016 |
It's we talk about bio electricity, solar power and wind to complement hydo and thermal electricity generation. Lets think vast in this regard. 2 Likes |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by Sibrah: 9:06am On Oct 06, 2016 |
TheEastActivist:Can you pay excess of N150/kwh? Renewable energy isn't on gas energy level in terms of cost yet. Not in Nigeria. We may be able to afford it as time goes but rendwable energy isn't cost friendly for our pocket now. |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by mastro: 9:07am On Oct 06, 2016 |
NPComplete: Every technology has its drawbacks however I think the most viable way forward for Nigeria is a mix of Gas fired and renewables specifically Solar. Gas fiired is proven technology with minimal downside we currently flare (waste) enough gas to power the whole of the country, hence Gas plants should be a no brainer. Solar due to a combination of ability to produce and consume locally combined with rapidly falling prices of photovoltaics cell and batteries is the future. The same way we bypassed the expansion of landline provision going straight to Mobile phones for the majority of the population is the same way we should be managing power expansion. Solar installations in every home bypassing the grid for residential and small scale industrial use. 3 Likes |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by obailala(m): 9:08am On Oct 06, 2016 |
TheEastActivist:You were making no sense and just blabbing out of an ingrained hate sentiment for the govt. Renewable energy is 3 times more expensive than sources like coal, and even for the cheaper coal, Nigeria doesnt have the funds and needs to still borrow to finance it. Now these loans are being blocked because the lenders dont want us to harness coal energy. With the above situation, what exactly was your response?... you claimed the govet was useless bla bla bla.... and you think you were making any sense?... An now you myopically bring ethnicity into the simple discussion?... |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by comos: 9:08am On Oct 06, 2016 |
The blame game is now shifted to western power 2 Likes |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by drss(m): 9:10am On Oct 06, 2016 |
Sibrah:every tin is impossible for nigeria but notin is impossible for bia..frans as far as technology is concern. 3 Likes |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by Nobody: 9:11am On Oct 06, 2016 |
TheEastActivist:you are the idiot here. Which world is changing. What is the percentage of American power that comes from renewable or clean source? In fact apart from given tax rebate they literally pay people to use solar. They bamboozled you with clean energy lies and you feeling like Mr knowledge. If there so called green are so green why are they planning to build more nuclear and gas plants? Why is China building more coal plants? Because Elon Musk and his ilks bought over the media and confused the ignorant Democrat does not mean that greenwashed energy source are actually viable. It cost about 4 times more to build a solar plant than it cost to build most other plants including nuclear... and like every other things exposed to sun radiation they have shorter life span. After "destroying" the environment with several centuries of coal driven energy boom they think the rest of us should not enjoy same privilege and you are here forming Mr Sabi. |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by obailala(m): 9:12am On Oct 06, 2016 |
ephi123:Businesses are regulated by governments. If a UK company wants to build a plant in Nigeria, it must get approval from the uk govt. Nigeria struck a deal with a bank in China to finance our rail projects, the last time I checked, the final approval for that was discussed between buhari and the chinese president, so my dear, private businesses too are regulated. If the Uk govt says NO to coal plants, a UK private company cant come to Nigeria to build a coal plant, neither can a UK bank give Nigeria a loan to build a coal plant. Once again, TSA money isnt disposable income that the government can just dip its hands into and spend. |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by TheEastActivist: 9:13am On Oct 06, 2016 |
Sibrah: If that will bring a lasting and peaceful solution to Nigeria I don't think we should be arguing this... Nigeria needs energy to grow and in this cause of doing it there are stipulated rules. Nigeria cant start building coal power plant in this century, without sanctions from international bodies. all those using it now are phasing it out to a renewable energy to salvage the earth depleting ozone layer. Is a no no to coal, other source of energy can be replaced with that. All we want is a guided and proper way to generate stable electricity. Nigeria will adjust to it. 1 Like |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by kingsley2rhyme(m): 9:20am On Oct 06, 2016 |
I still find it hard to really point at a unique technological prowess you are bragging about that Igbos have. Is it the business sense you use in taking an original product to China for it to be replicated and made very cheap for people to buy that you technological advancement or what? Someone actually designed, prototyped and did the finished job before it came out to market, a typical Ibo business man with good business acumen then takes it to China for it to be produced at a more cheaper rate and u call that a technological prowess? Please say something else. "Technological development to give them the opportunity to secede you say? Lol in Payan " Ibo kwenu!! EternalTruths: |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by Nobody: 9:21am On Oct 06, 2016 |
SuperS1Panther: Shut up and stop sounding so burt Hurt!! Coal energy has play a major role in China's devastated Ozone layer, yes its cheap but Gas is way safer... So why not use gas instead Einstein? 3 Likes |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by bkool7(m): 9:21am On Oct 06, 2016 |
ificatchmodeh: The world is evolving right, but the now evolving western world was built and developed climate degradation. What the western world should be assisting us with how to make it clean and affordable I guess we just may have to go the hard way |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by Nobody: 9:23am On Oct 06, 2016 |
Does she know she sounds so incompetent and clueless. She should take a cue from lie Muhammad and stop talking 2 Likes |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by ephi123(f): 9:25am On Oct 06, 2016 |
obailala: Your info is completely wrong. There is a reason they are called PRIVATE investors. Yes inedeed. TSA isn't disposable income because it either doesn't exist or has been looted out of existence. Yes, Buhari had numerous discussions with the Chinese president yet we can see absolutely no outcome. Anyway, you guys can continue defending a failing government. The consequences will be borne by all. 3 Likes |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by NPComplete: 9:26am On Oct 06, 2016 |
mastro: Agreed. But we still need an energy mix. The gas plants and their power sources are located mostly in the volatile south meaning any major restiveness there will impede development and life in other parts on the country and that makes them to continue to hold us to ransom. That ought to be avoided. Thirdly, coal is cheaper. We can rely on coal power to kick start our industrialisation and start building solar panels in this country. Trust me, the situation where we have to import solar panels with the overabundance of silicon and other materials necessary to produce them, isn't ideal. So my advice will be to use coal first then as soon as we become a more prosperous nation, we shift to other cleaner and more expensive sources fully |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by Izonpikin: 9:30am On Oct 06, 2016 |
well we could employ the use of carbon capture storage CCS if we want to use coal..  at least make we get light plenty... ...after all the USA still uses coal... |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by Cutehector(m): 9:30am On Oct 06, 2016 |
dragunov:criminal who? Like as if the president right to you aren't criminals! Mchew 1 Like |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by SuperS1Panther: 9:33am On Oct 06, 2016 |
lestat: You are a drunk. Who depleted Ozone layer if not Europe and US? |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by TheEastActivist: 9:33am On Oct 06, 2016 |
Nalikedis: Only if you can do away with your poor mannerism that always sells you off to people as a destined tout. Which world is changing. Technology is changing, you can't denied this fact except you are an alien and just crashed into the earth this year. What is the percentage of American power that comes from renewable or clean source? 67% sire. In fact apart from given tax rebate they literally pay people to use solar. They bamboozled you with clean energy lies and you feeling like Mr knowledge. You haven't made any sense If there so called green are so green why are they planning to build more nuclear and gas plants? I will overlook your grammar. But if they say is green why asking if is green again? They have to build as power generated can also serve as export commodity . Why is China building more coal plants? They have their reason best known to them, but from what I can dig out, they want to first match up with the American in economy and to do that they have to rely on coal for 15years. Nigeria just signed a treaty in paris which is against Nigeria using it and kemi is aware of it else she is not news savy. Meanwhile Nigeria is under developed and is not in this present administration agenda to match up with US in economy. Because Elon Musk and his ilks bought over the media and confused the ignorant Democrat does not mean that greenwashed energy source are actually viable. Who should we believe, which investigation have you undergone to make that kind of accusation. I don't care though. It cost about 4 times more to build a solar plant than it cost to build most other plants including nuclear... What stops us from going nuclear There is gas powered plant, and there are hydro power plant, there are also wind powered plant. We can leverage on that too instead of coal which is too backward and has adverse effect. and like every other things exposed to sun radiation they have shorter life span. After "destroying" the environment with several centuries of coal driven energy boom they think the rest of us should not enjoy same privilege and you are here forming Mr Sabi. Like I said technology changes which made the world to adapt and change as well, and going by your stance if we should keep using coal by now the world will be messed up but with new and better technologies the world will always be a better place to be. Stick playing by the rules to avoid unnecessary sanctions by the international standard bodies. 2 Likes |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by Izonpikin: 9:36am On Oct 06, 2016 |
lestat:our failed president jjst can not come to terms with the niger delta producing gas... this administration is best at not knowing how to solve problems... 3 Likes |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by Nobody: 9:39am On Oct 06, 2016 |
poor mans okonjo iweala 1 Like |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by Nobody: 9:40am On Oct 06, 2016 |
Nbote:which condition aside rules made by super powers which they themselves renege on. Nuclear power is the cheapest, cleanest, and the most sustainable source of energy yet the super powers cornered it. They only conspire to stop lesser countries from building nuclear plant while they legislate on building new nuclear plants. After they have burnt coal for years they coerced us to sign agreement. More than 70% of their power came from fossil fuel and they are not closing those plants up but they are mandating us not to build ours. they shifted their attention to a far cheaper nuclear and make stringent rules that will prevent us from following same route instead they ask us to safe the planet by using the super expensive solar technology and like illiterate and ignorant most of us are we hail them on and claim sophistication. Time to have more engineers and scientist in government they understand how things work and how to solve problems all this lawyers and economist only live by the rules and economize a ridiculously insufficient resources... no idea on how to create resources 1 Like |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by metallisc(m): 9:41am On Oct 06, 2016 |
NPComplete: if you work in the energy industry like you claim and you are here spewing this trash, then i'm sorry for the people who employed you. like the deluded minister, you don't even know what is going on on in your industry. stop masturbating here, fossil fuel based power, especially coal, is being phased out in developed and advanced countries (there is actually a 2030 deadline to do a total switch - barely 15 years from now), and developing countries have a 2030-50 timeline to switch totally.The coal stations you are talking about, when were they built? is any body/country in their right thinking senses talking about building new coal power stations? all the talks about new coal power plants are mostly in asia and asia-minor region - see what china is battling with smog because of their insistence on coal power, people are dying daily from pollution and contamination and like you said they are not listening to the west... and i ask - to whose detriment?. even the new deals in europe are being questioned by authorities - because the greedy banks are using the contract and funding opportunities to make quick returns. India just cancelled contracts for about 4 new coal power plants. The major countries pushing coal power are china and japan, because it helps their quest for economic dominance in africa and small countries in europe, it is cheaper no doubt but with enviro concerns, that may no longer be viable in the years to come, so they are pushing hard and fast to make money. for the first time in germany, electricity rates were at the lowest because of increase in renewable energy power. The new coal and gas projects they commissioned in recent years have all turned white elephant projects because nobody is paying them any attention. this from a bloomberg article from end of last year ... " Germany’s unprecedented energy shift is turning newly built power plants into white elephants that will never produce any electricity. Once the backbone that underpinned growth in Europe’s biggest economy, coal and gas plants are being marginalized in a new world where solar and wind are all the rage. With electricity prices at their lowest level in more than a decade, the outlook is now so bad that RWE AG will never start its 1 billion-euro ($1.1 billion) Westfalen-D plant, while EON SE applied this year to close two new unprofitable gas-fired units." most recent power station developments that are not renewable are majorly hydro and then some gas. Most african countries that are expanding their power generation base are all setting up solar farms eg, rwanda, south africa-with one of the largest, algeria and morroco. i could go on and on but the truth is, despite the major forces trying to align to save it, coal's future as a major energy source is being attacked by a variety of pathogens: government regulations, market forces and moral arguments. As a result, government charts plotting coal's life expectancy look like the flat vital signs of a very sick patient. You and the daft minister should switch to a developmental and futuristic mindset, coal is on its way out of the scene and spending money to build or develop coal powered stations now only to have it phased out in a few years is stupid thinking (and to think the proposition is coming from a supposed FINANCE minister?) well... there is the factual and practical solution and then on the other hand there is the mundane act to try scoring cheap points with the populace!  3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by Goke7: 9:43am On Oct 06, 2016 |
Nalikedis: Exactly, our backwardness in science and technology is our bane. na only party we sabi in this part of the world. 1 Like |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by metallisc(m): 9:43am On Oct 06, 2016 |
Izonpikin: 1 Like
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| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by sweetilicious(f): 9:46am On Oct 06, 2016 |
TheEastActivist:I think we should make use of the available resource we have already. If not, Nigeria will wait till eternity to be able to enjoy steady power supply. |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by mencer(m): 9:51am On Oct 06, 2016 |
Einstein — ' Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another E = mc² |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by Richy4(m): 9:55am On Oct 06, 2016 |
Is coal energy really environmentally friendly? She should know how coal work at this stage... I am an amateur when it comes to energy discussion but does she want Nigerians to be inhaling an unclean air in the name of cutting cost? 3 Likes |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by ogwumgbe: 9:56am On Oct 06, 2016 |
God bless you madam, this woman has just spoken the absolute truth that takes boldness and high level of patriotism to speak. Western powers are the reason we are underdeveloped but what is baffling to me is why some people will allow themselves to be used as a tool to underdevelop his Country in the name aspiring for leadership. Madam Kemi, you have my support, it takes guts to speak this undiluted truth |
| Re: Western Powers Blocking Nigeria’s Power Solution – Adeosun by chernest2002: 9:59am On Oct 06, 2016 |
The illiterate signed agreement on world environmental protection and want to use emission from coal to destroy the same environment, and government of blame is at it again. I don't know why these ministers will not look the dictator at face and tell him the bitter truth. 3 Likes |
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