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A Message For The Atheists And The Non Muslims Part4 by Abdulgaffar22: 4:37am On Oct 23, 2016
But despite all this exposition that Qur’an could not have come from no
other person except God, some people still want to gather some evidence
from Qur’an and Hadith to prove that prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a great
impersonator and fabricator against God. Their evidence is as follows: God
Almighty says; It is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds. And if he
(Muhammad-pbuh) had fabricated against Us some of the sayings, We would certainly
have seized him by the right hand. Then We would certainly have cut off his
aorta (Qur’an 69:43-46). Based on these verses and the Hadith (narrated by
Aisha that the prophet ate food containing poison according to the plan of
the Jews and he used to say ; O Aisha I still feel the pain caused by the
food I ate at khaibar, and at this time I feel as if my jugular vein is
being cut from that poison);these people now argue that the prophet must be
a deliberate liar against God. At first glance, you would think that their
argument is correct. But looking at those verses of the Qur’an and the
Hadith very carefully, you will discover that these people stand on a fake
platform based on the following cogent reasons: Those verses of Qur’an were
not talking about the nature of death the prophet would encounter in future
if he were to be a false prophet. But those verses were simply saying; if
the prophet had fabricated against God SOME OF THE SAYINGS (NOT the entire
message), then God should CERTAINLY HAVE CUT OFF (Laqo’tona) his aorta: the
term “ certainly have” indicate that this event should have taken place in
the PAST and NOT in the FUTURE(like after 23 years). Furthermore, the word
used in the Qur’an is Al-wateen which is translated as aorta: which is
quite different from the word Al-abhar used in the Hadith which means
jugular vein. Again, the Qur’an makes it clear that the aorta of such a
fabricator must ACTUALLY be cut off because of the word “certainly”. Yet
there is no any evidence or indication that the aorta of the prophet was
ACTUALLY cut off from that poison. If the poison has actually cut off his
aorta, he would never be the one to say; “I feel as if my vein is being cut
off” since he would have died before these words could ever come out from
his mouth. Feeling that something has happened is quite different from
‘that something has actually happened’. How could a poison, which would go
straight into the stomach, possess the power to ACTUALLY cut off the aorta? The
prophet only said those words metaphorically in order to express the kind
of pain and feelings he was passing through. If the prophet were truly a
fabricator and God wanted to use these verses of Qur’an to prove this case
to us, then one would expect his aorta to be cut off by THE SWORD (and
never by the poison) in the hand of his enemy during one of the many
battles he fought with the idol worshippers so that the fulfillment of
these verses can be clearly seen by all without any further argument. But
despite the fact that Qur’an said; We would CERTAINLY HAVE CUT OFF his aorta;
yet God did not allow the prophet to be struck on his neck by the SWORD or
KNIFE which would have been in perfect agreement with the what is written
in the Qur’an. From my own perspective, God allowed such words reported in
the Hadith to come out from prophet’s mouth only to serve as a test and
trial for those who are furiously searching for any slight evidence to
disqualify him as a true prophet of God. God wanted to test them: are they
going to base their judgment on this questionable evidence alone and
neglect all other clear evidence explained above which prove that the
prophet could never have fabricated the Holy Qur’an. This is exactly
similar to a kind of test and trial that God set forth for the atheists and
evolutionists: are they going to believe that human evolve from apes by
simply basing their judgment on the vague resemblance between the two
species and neglect all other evidence which prove that the entire process
of evolution could never have started at all due to natural law of entropy.
Even if the prophet was able to survive for 23 years after his claim as a
prophet of God but later died as a martyr by eating poison through the plan
of the Jews living at medina by that time, he has already achieved his aim.
In fact, that he was able to survive for complete 3 years after eating the
poison as narrated in another hadith while his companion who ate with him
died on the spot is another miracle on its own that also testified to his
prophet hood. In fact, God deliberately spare his life even after eating
the poison till concluding verse of his mission was revealed to him where
God Almighty declare as follows: This day, I have perfected your religion
for you, and I have completed My favor upon you, and I have chosen for you
Islam as your religion(Qur’an 5:3). If the prophet was a great impersonator
and great fabricator against God, then why would God have to wait for 23
years till this concluding verse was fabricated against Him? Yet He did not
even allow Hananiah ,the false prophet to even live for a year before he
removed him from the face of the earth (Jeremiah 28:1-17)
In fact, Qur’an was revealed to amend so many things in the lives of human
being. If not for the Qur’an, humanity would have been left with having
negative and bad picture about God. Despite the fact that condemnation of a
righteous and innocent soul is clearly forbidden in the Bible (
Matthew12:7, Proverbs17:15,Exodus23:7,Psalm34:22), the same believers in
the Bible still believe that an Omnipotent and Merciful God MUST curse
(Galatians3:13) and condemn His only beloved and innocent son on a cross in
order to achieve a certain greater purpose like solving the problem of sin
with humanity. The doctrine of an only beloved and innocent son who was
under the curse and condemnation of His own merciful and omnipotent Father
is self contradictory and repugnant to human mind. Before the advent of
Christianity, nobody would believe that such a doctrine can even exist. It
is totally foreign and contradictory to our logical reasoning for God of
love, mercy and justice to curse an innocent and righteous soul for any
reason whatsoever. This is the reason why the message of atonement through
Jesus crucifixion was a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the
gentiles during the lifetime of Jesus’ apostles ( 1st Corinthians 1:23). But
Paul, being very cunning, quickly fabricated some verses to solve this
problem of logical contradiction inherent in this very doctrine. One of
these verses is as follows: The natural man does not receive the things of
the spirit, for they are foolishness to him; he cannot understand them
because they are spiritually discerned ( 1st Corinthians 2:14). This is the
reason why many Christians see no logical problem again with the idea of “an
innocent and beloved son who was under the curse and condemnation of his
own merciful Father”. But why would God of reason and rationality (Isaiah
1:18) ask a natural man to believe and accept a true spiritual doctrine
that cannot be understood and completely foolish to his logical reasoning
especially when that reasoning is the ONLY INSTRUMENT at his disposal to
recognize that true spirituality in the midst of many fake spiritualities? If
there is only one spirituality in the entire world of human being, then
Paul may be right in his claim. But there are many spiritualities like
Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Confucianism, Taoism,
Sikhism etc. Since each of these spiritualities is claiming to be on the
right path, it is now left for any natural man to use the only instrument
(his logical reasoning) given to him by God to recognize the true
spirituality in the midst of many fake spiritualities. This is exactly the
reason why God must design the true spirituality in such a way that all its
basic and fundamental doctrine does not in conflict with the basic logical
reasoning He bestowed upon any natural man. A fundamental true spiritual
doctrine may support or be neutral to basic logical reasoning bestowed upon
natural man, but they will never in conflict with each other. How could
true spirituality designed by God and basic logical reasoning originated
from the same God be in conflict with each other? Have you now seen how
Paul get it wrong by asserting that “the natural man does not receive the
things of the spirit, for they are foolishness to him”? Is true
spirituality not meant to be accepted and embraced by natural man? Now that
it is foolishness to him; how is he going to accept and embrace it? To see
further that Paul is wrong in his claim; suppose you are invited by a
friend to accept a faith that is very rich in spirituality. But among the
fundamental doctrine you must embrace without question is that you have to
believe that God MUST commit an act of lying in order to achieve a certain
greater purpose(May He be Exalted) . 1.Would you just accept such faith
because of its spiritual richness or reject it because of its foolishness
to your logical reasoning? 2.Would you not ask about the actual connection
that exist between that greater purpose and the act of lying that must be
committed by God before the purpose can be achieved? 3. Would you not ask
why All- knowing and Omnipotent God decided to give preference for such
irrational way of lying to achieve a greater purpose over many rational
ways He can design and create from His infinite knowledge and unlimited
power to achieve that greater purpose? 4. Would you just accept that the
way of such a lying God is higher and complex than your own way of doing
things? Now ponder over these four questions cited above and then tell me
the difference between this imaginary faith which proclaim that God MUST
commit an act of lying to achieve a particular greater purpose and the
Christian faith which also proclaim that God MUST curse (Galatians 3:13)
and condemn an innocent and righteous soul to achieve a particular greater
purpose-like solving the problem of sin with humanity. Therefore, if you
reject this imaginary faith because of its foolishness to your logical
reasoning, then you must also reject Christianity since the two faiths are
telling us the exact opposite of what we naturally know about God. As God
is naturally known to always tell the truth and never to commit an act of
lying for any greater purpose; He is also naturally known to always bless
the innocent and righteous soul and never to curse the same soul for any
greater purpose- like solving the problem of sin with humanity. It is now
clear that even if there are some spiritual benefits in the inner rooms of
a true faith, there is still need for the logical reasoning to take us to
the main door of those inner rooms at first encounter. But as we have
pointed above, the doctrine of a merciful, omnipotent and All-knowing God
who cursed and condemned his only beloved and innocent son on the cross of
Calvary for a certain greater purpose is totally in conflict with what we
know naturally about God through our logical reasoning, yet this is one of
the fundamental doctrine you must embrace wholeheartedly for you to become
a serious and devoted Christian. Therefore, there is need for God to send
another prophet to remove this negative and bad picture of God from the
minds of the general humanity. This is one of the many reasons why Qur’an
was revealed to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). In the Holy Qur’an, God removed
this negative and bad impression from the minds of the people by declaring
that, in a miraculous way, Jesus escaped death on the cross (Qur’an
4:157-158). This is exactly in line with the prayer of Jesus to God in the
garden of Gethsemane when he asked for the cup of suffering and death to be
taken away from him in THREE consecutive times as stated clearly in Matthew
26:36-44. Honestly, the fact that the Holy Qur’an is the only religious
book on earth that remove this negative and bad impression about God from
the minds of the general humanity is a very great indicator that the book
could never have come from no other person except God Himself.
Re: A Message For The Atheists And The Non Muslims Part4 by Nobody: 7:13am On Oct 23, 2016
Is this the same book were a prophet of God has sex with a nine year old girl.

Did your Qur'an
*Outlaw slavery
*Speak against misogyny
*Condemn violence of any kind

Did the Qur'an being inspired by an all knowing God bring about the cure for any prevailing disease or does it just advice people to drink camel pee. Did it fill its prophets imagination with technological marvels for the world to enjoy?

The Qur'an is just another book written by ancient barbaric men, with an amazing tendency for violence.

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Re: A Message For The Atheists And The Non Muslims Part4 by jonbellion(m): 7:26am On Oct 23, 2016
Abdulgaffar22:
But despite all this exposition that Qur’an could not have come from no
other person except God, some people still want to gather some evidence
from Qur’an and Hadith to prove that prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a great
impersonator and fabricator against God. Their evidence is as follows: God
Almighty says; It is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds. And if he
(Muhammad-pbuh) had fabricated against Us some of the sayings, We would certainly
have seized him by the right hand. Then We would certainly have cut off his
aorta (Qur’an 69:43-46). Based on these verses and the Hadith (narrated by
Aisha that the prophet ate food containing poison according to the plan of
the Jews and he used to say ; O Aisha I still feel the pain caused by the
food I ate at khaibar, and at this time I feel as if my jugular vein is
being cut from that poison);these people now argue that the prophet must be
a deliberate liar against God. At first glance, you would think that their
argument is correct. But looking at those verses of the Qur’an and the
Hadith very carefully, you will discover that these people stand on a fake
platform based on the following cogent reasons: Those verses of Qur’an were
not talking about the nature of death the prophet would encounter in future
if he were to be a false prophet. But those verses were simply saying; if
the prophet had fabricated against God SOME OF THE SAYINGS (NOT the entire
message), then God should CERTAINLY HAVE CUT OFF (Laqo’tona) his aorta: the
term “ certainly have” indicate that this event should have taken place in
the PAST and NOT in the FUTURE(like after 23 years). Furthermore, the word
used in the Qur’an is Al-wateen which is translated as aorta: which is
quite different from the word Al-abhar used in the Hadith which means
jugular vein. Again, the Qur’an makes it clear that the aorta of such a
fabricator must ACTUALLY be cut off because of the word “certainly”. Yet
there is no any evidence or indication that the aorta of the prophet was
ACTUALLY cut off from that poison. If the poison has actually cut off his
aorta, he would never be the one to say; “I feel as if my vein is being cut
off” since he would have died before these words could ever come out from
his mouth. Feeling that something has happened is quite different from
‘that something has actually happened’. How could a poison, which would go
straight into the stomach, possess the power to ACTUALLY cut off the aorta? The
prophet only said those words metaphorically in order to express the kind
of pain and feelings he was passing through. If the prophet were truly a
fabricator and God wanted to use these verses of Qur’an to prove this case
to us, then one would expect his aorta to be cut off by THE SWORD (and
never by the poison) in the hand of his enemy during one of the many
battles he fought with the idol worshippers so that the fulfillment of
these verses can be clearly seen by all without any further argument. But
despite the fact that Qur’an said; We would CERTAINLY HAVE CUT OFF his aorta;
yet God did not allow the prophet to be struck on his neck by the SWORD or
KNIFE which would have been in perfect agreement with the what is written
in the Qur’an. From my own perspective, God allowed such words reported in
the Hadith to come out from prophet’s mouth only to serve as a test and
trial for those who are furiously searching for any slight evidence to
disqualify him as a true prophet of God. God wanted to test them: are they
going to base their judgment on this questionable evidence alone and
neglect all other clear evidence explained above which prove that the
prophet could never have fabricated the Holy Qur’an. This is exactly
similar to a kind of test and trial that God set forth for the atheists and
evolutionists: are they going to believe that human evolve from apes by
simply basing their judgment on the vague resemblance between the two
species and neglect all other evidence which prove that the entire process
of evolution could never have started at all due to natural law of entropy.
Even if the prophet was able to survive for 23 years after his claim as a
prophet of God but later died as a martyr by eating poison through the plan
of the Jews living at medina by that time, he has already achieved his aim.
In fact, that he was able to survive for complete 3 years after eating the
poison as narrated in another hadith while his companion who ate with him
died on the spot is another miracle on its own that also testified to his
prophet hood. In fact, God deliberately spare his life even after eating
the poison till concluding verse of his mission was revealed to him where
God Almighty declare as follows: This day, I have perfected your religion
for you, and I have completed My favor upon you, and I have chosen for you
Islam as your religion(Qur’an 5:3). If the prophet was a great impersonator
and great fabricator against God, then why would God have to wait for 23
years till this concluding verse was fabricated against Him? Yet He did not
even allow Hananiah ,the false prophet to even live for a year before he
removed him from the face of the earth (Jeremiah 28:1-17)
In fact, Qur’an was revealed to amend so many things in the lives of human
being. If not for the Qur’an, humanity would have been left with having
negative and bad picture about God. Despite the fact that condemnation of a
righteous and innocent soul is clearly forbidden in the Bible (
Matthew12:7, Proverbs17:15,Exodus23:7,Psalm34:22), the same believers in
the Bible still believe that an Omnipotent and Merciful God MUST curse
(Galatians3:13) and condemn His only beloved and innocent son on a cross in
order to achieve a certain greater purpose like solving the problem of sin
with humanity. The doctrine of an only beloved and innocent son who was
under the curse and condemnation of His own merciful and omnipotent Father
is self contradictory and repugnant to human mind. Before the advent of
Christianity, nobody would believe that such a doctrine can even exist. It
is totally foreign and contradictory to our logical reasoning for God of
love, mercy and justice to curse an innocent and righteous soul for any
reason whatsoever. This is the reason why the message of atonement through
Jesus crucifixion was a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the
gentiles during the lifetime of Jesus’ apostles ( 1st Corinthians 1:23). But
Paul, being very cunning, quickly fabricated some verses to solve this
problem of logical contradiction inherent in this very doctrine. One of
these verses is as follows: The natural man does not receive the things of
the spirit, for they are foolishness to him; he cannot understand them
because they are spiritually discerned ( 1st Corinthians 2:14). This is the
reason why many Christians see no logical problem again with the idea of “an
innocent and beloved son who was under the curse and condemnation of his
own merciful Father”. But why would God of reason and rationality (Isaiah
1:18) ask a natural man to believe and accept a true spiritual doctrine
that cannot be understood and completely foolish to his logical reasoning
especially when that reasoning is the ONLY INSTRUMENT at his disposal to
recognize that true spirituality in the midst of many fake spiritualities? If
there is only one spirituality in the entire world of human being, then
Paul may be right in his claim. But there are many spiritualities like
Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Confucianism, Taoism,
Sikhism etc. Since each of these spiritualities is claiming to be on the
right path, it is now left for any natural man to use the only instrument
(his logical reasoning) given to him by God to recognize the true
spirituality in the midst of many fake spiritualities. This is exactly the
reason why God must design the true spirituality in such a way that all its
basic and fundamental doctrine does not in conflict with the basic logical
reasoning He bestowed upon any natural man. A fundamental true spiritual
doctrine may support or be neutral to basic logical reasoning bestowed upon
natural man, but they will never in conflict with each other. How could
true spirituality designed by God and basic logical reasoning originated
from the same God be in conflict with each other? Have you now seen how
Paul get it wrong by asserting that “the natural man does not receive the
things of the spirit, for they are foolishness to him”? Is true
spirituality not meant to be accepted and embraced by natural man? Now that
it is foolishness to him; how is he going to accept and embrace it? To see
further that Paul is wrong in his claim; suppose you are invited by a
friend to accept a faith that is very rich in spirituality. But among the
fundamental doctrine you must embrace without question is that you have to
believe that God MUST commit an act of lying in order to achieve a certain
greater purpose(May He be Exalted) . 1.Would you just accept such faith
because of its spiritual richness or reject it because of its foolishness
to your logical reasoning? 2.Would you not ask about the actual connection
that exist between that greater purpose and the act of lying that must be
committed by God before the purpose can be achieved? 3. Would you not ask
why All- knowing and Omnipotent God decided to give preference for such
irrational way of lying to achieve a greater purpose over many rational
ways He can design and create from His infinite knowledge and unlimited
power to achieve that greater purpose? 4. Would you just accept that the
way of such a lying God is higher and complex than your own way of doing
things? Now ponder over these four questions cited above and then tell me
the difference between this imaginary faith which proclaim that God MUST
commit an act of lying to achieve a particular greater purpose and the
Christian faith which also proclaim that God MUST curse (Galatians 3:13)
and condemn an innocent and righteous soul to achieve a particular greater
purpose-like solving the problem of sin with humanity. Therefore, if you
reject this imaginary faith because of its foolishness to your logical
reasoning, then you must also reject Christianity since the two faiths are
telling us the exact opposite of what we naturally know about God. As God
is naturally known to always tell the truth and never to commit an act of
lying for any greater purpose; He is also naturally known to always bless
the innocent and righteous soul and never to curse the same soul for any
greater purpose- like solving the problem of sin with humanity. It is now
clear that even if there are some spiritual benefits in the inner rooms of
a true faith, there is still need for the logical reasoning to take us to
the main door of those inner rooms at first encounter. But as we have
pointed above, the doctrine of a merciful, omnipotent and All-knowing God
who cursed and condemned his only beloved and innocent son on the cross of
Calvary for a certain greater purpose is totally in conflict with what we
know naturally about God through our logical reasoning, yet this is one of
the fundamental doctrine you must embrace wholeheartedly for you to become
a serious and devoted Christian. Therefore, there is need for God to send
another prophet to remove this negative and bad picture of God from the
minds of the general humanity. This is one of the many reasons why Qur’an
was revealed to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). In the Holy Qur’an, God removed
this negative and bad impression from the minds of the people by declaring
that, in a miraculous way, Jesus escaped death on the cross (Qur’an
4:157-158). This is exactly in line with the prayer of Jesus to God in the
garden of Gethsemane when he asked for the cup of suffering and death to be
taken away from him in THREE consecutive times as stated clearly in Matthew
26:36-44. Honestly, the fact that the Holy Qur’an is the only religious
book on earth that remove this negative and bad impression about God from
the minds of the general humanity is a very great indicator that the book
could never have come from no other person except God Himself.
you said the theory of evolution contradicts the 2nd law of thermodynamics
It does not you
The 2nd law applies to closed systems
The earth is not a closed system it gets energy from the sun
Re: A Message For The Atheists And The Non Muslims Part4 by GRIMMJOE(m): 8:17am On Oct 23, 2016
If any thing is a contradiction it is the Holy Book

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