ababda:

it is like a love song, but without being perverse. however, she won a award for best singer of that year hence the reason for the the gathering.

she deserves it too, although I dont know any other Sudanese singers.

But she's good, I agree. Strong and captivating voice as well.

ababda:

tpia, what ethnic group do you belong to i may ask?

mixed yoruba and hausa

I'm not a typical Yoruba however so try not to draw any generalizations from me

no, i won't draw any generalizations of you, afterall i am sudanese, and some people might think the worst of me. however, i did not know nigeria had many tuaregs, but it makes sense, since your country borders niger.

ababda:

no, i won't draw any generalizations of you, afterall i am sudanese, and some people might think the worst of me. however, i did not know nigeria had many tuaregs, but it makes sense, since your country borders niger.

Nigeria has Tuareg looking people but I'm not sure there are Tuaregs actually native to Nigeria.

Its not impossible though.

we actually have hausa in sudan as well. i think they migranted to sudan hundreds of years ago to perform the haj in saudi, but later decided to stay in sudan and also eritrea.

i found this video on "youtube" . this was on discovery channel. a group of archeologist made a discovery sometimes in the ninties of a unknown city around the fifth cataracts in the sudan. at first they thought it was a temple, but what they discovered was a ancient city, that is about 24 football fields big, and definitely well preserved, and one of the largest amun temple in the sudan. i hope you enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXUwy9y5heY&feature=related

ababda:

we actually have hausa in sudan as well. i think they migranted to sudan hundreds of years ago to perform the haj in saudi, but later decided to stay in sudan and also eritrea.

I read something about that the other day.

It seems quite a lot of hausas/fulanis and other west Africans settled in Sudan en route to Mecca.

thanks a lot for the videos- I really enjoyed them.

I'll be back to check out the rest but i have to run now.

great thread.

this is one of my favorites above all else even though many people will consider this simple glassware. however, from my perspective this drinking glass is not only beautiful and it is my favorite color darkblue, but it is timeless. it looks very modern.
this glass is dated during the late meroitic period in around 250-300 AD, this was found in one of the pyramids in meroe. some of the glasses is now house at the museum in khartoum in sudan and university of pisa in italy.

http://www.fotosearch.com/bigcomp.asp?path=ICN/ICN002/F0020609.jpg : simple but it is my favorite, because the glassware is timeless. the writing of the glassware is actually greek, which means the meroites and greeks were trading varies different items during that time.

the translation from the glass, "Drink and you shall live" they would break the glass as a sign of luck.

the statue was founded at the city of meroe, and the pharah is arkamani I one of the pharaohs during the meroitic period. the photo of the statue is in front of the khartoum national museum and the lady is obviously a tourist.

http://images.travelpod.com/users/jenniferholden/sudan_2005-2006.1148161320.khartoum_-_wanderings_029.jpg
sorry, he is the statue of arkamani I

this is a burial tomb in el kurru in northern sudan.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2399/2318301968_70bbd25aaf.jpg

art work from benin or Ife west africa
http://galerie-herrmann.com/arts/art3/Ife_Benin/18_Bueste_120J/Ife_Bust_gr.jpg

mosque of djenne in Mali

http://www.sacredsites.com/africa/mali/images/mosque-of-djenne-500.jpg

ababda:

http://images.travelpod.com/users/jenniferholden/sudan_2005-2006.1148161320.khartoum_-_wanderings_029.jpg
sorry, he is the statue of arkamani I

beautiful.

I thought all these statues were only found in Egypt.

ababda:

this is one of my favorites above all else even though many people will consider this simple glassware. however, from my perspective this drinking glass is not only beautiful and it is my favorite color darkblue, but it is timeless. it looks very modern.
this glass is dated during the late meroitic period in around 250-300 AD, this was found in one of the pyramids in meroe. some of the glasses is now house at the museum in khartoum in sudan and university of pisa in italy.

http://www.fotosearch.com/bigcomp.asp?path=ICN/ICN002/F0020609.jpg : simple but it is my favorite, because the glassware is timeless. the writing of the glassware is actually greek, which means the meroites and greeks were trading varies different items during that time.

the translation from the glass, "Drink and you shall live" they would break the glass as a sign of luck.

this is interesting because breaking glass is actually a Jewish custom, I think. Is it originally middle eastern?

The cup reminds me of ancient Greek glassware btw.

San (south African) ancient rock art:





not sure of the date

Juba II, king of Numidia and later Mauretania, 52 BC. Married Cleopatra's daughter.





Juba 1:

[img]http://www.louvre.fr/media/repository/ressources/sources/illustration/atlas/x196image_65415_v2_m56577569830699647.jpg[/img]

I think they're Berbers though.

Septimus Severus

roman emperor born in Africa (Libya):

[img]http://www.louvre.fr/media/repository/ressources/sources/illustration/atlas/x196image_65461_v2_m56577569830699862.jpg[/img]

statue found in Algeria

Mapungubwe - South Africa's lost City of Gold

"One thousand years ago, Mapungubwe in Limpopo province was the centre of the largest kingdom in the subcontinent, where a highly sophisticated people traded gold and ivory with China, India and Egypt. The site was discovered in 1932 and has been excavated by the University of Pretoria ever since. The findings were kept quiet at the time since they provided contrary evidence to the racist ideology of black inferiority underpinning apartheid. "

the golden rhino and sceptre were some of the many golden, clay and bronze artefacts discovered at Mapungubwe

Ikom monolith, Cross River state, I think BC.

Bamana urban architecture, Mali

Juba II, king of Numidia and later Mauretania, 52 BC. Married Cleopatra's daughter.


wow, did not know that queen cleopatra's daughter was married to the king of juba.

Roman Africa:

The great Latin poet, Virgil, holding a volume on which is written the Aenid. On either side stand the two muses: "Clio" (history) and "Melpomene" (tragedy). The mosaic, which dates from the 3rd Century A.D., was discovered in the Hadrumetum in Sousse, Tunisia and is now on display in the Bardo Museum in Tunis, Tunisia.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Virgil_Mosaic_Bardo_Museum_Tunis.jpg

I dont think he's black, just tanned or dark skinned maybe. But the fresco is from Tunisia.

this is a recent find in the dessert of northern sudan of five statures of nubian kings that ruled both sudan and egypt. needless to say, one of the pharaohs is even mentioned in the bible in the book of kings.
the pharaohs are taharqa(he is mentioned in the bible as the ethiopian pharaoh)

the other pharaohs are "tanoutamon"
"Senkamisken"
"anlamani"
"Aspelta"

here are the statues they found in northern sudan

http://wysinger.homestead.com/black-pharaohs-hdr-615.jpg

^^ this is so interesting.

I wonder why Sudan isnt a tourist destination like Egypt, with all these statues, temples and pyramids there.

If/when I go to Egypt, I'd like to see them myself if they're not too far from the border and are accessible to tourists.

meroitic queen shanakhdakheto she rule what is now sudan in 170bc to 150bc.

I wonder why Sudan isnt a tourist destination like Egypt, with all these statues, temples and pyramids there.

that is a good question, tpia. it has alot to do with the government, and not wanting visitors or tourist in the country, however, they are starting to realize that utilizing these monuments will be a benefits for the people. also, the situations of darfur have not helped the country image. even though that have significantly abated. however, the monuments are very far from the darfur area, and the people are extremely welcoming to visitors, and the locals are ready for tourist. as a matter of fact, many companies from europe and gulf arab countries are starting to set up tourist facilites as we speak, and the government is providing more roads to get to these monuments. also, these gulf arabs are helping to restore some of the pyramids and temples, which is a good thing. i guess.

sorry queen shanakhdakheto.http://1.bp..com/_6sah9qUqtb0/SQJcvBaA0RI/AAAAAAAAAAM/AYNIG0Am4p4/s320/kush+queen.jpg

ababda:

sorry queen shanakhdakheto.http://1.bp..com/_6sah9qUqtb0/SQJcvBaA0RI/AAAAAAAAAAM/AYNIG0Am4p4/s320/kush+queen.jpg

this art style is different and very nice.

ababda:

I wonder why Sudan isnt a tourist destination like Egypt, with all these statues, temples and pyramids there.

that is a good question, tpia. it has alot to do with the government, and not wanting visitors or tourist in the country, however, they are starting to realize that utilizing these monuments will be a benefits for the people. also, the situations of darfur have not helped the country image. even though that have significantly abated. however, the monuments are very far from the darfur area, and the people are extremely welcoming to visitors, and the locals are ready for tourist. as a matter of fact, many companies from europe and gulf arab countries are starting to set up tourist facilites as we speak, and the government is providing more roads to get to these monuments. also, these gulf arabs are helping to restore some of the pyramids and temples, which is a good thing. i guess.

how far is this area from Egypt ?

up to a day's journey or more ?

bark stand of king natakamani which is now housed in the Berlin Egyptian Museum. found in the temple of naga sudan.
http://wysinger.homestead.com/nat.jpg
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://wysinger.homestead.com/nat.jpg&imgrefurl=http://wysinger.homestead.com/nubian103.html&usg=__IBewjiV874Mh3hE1c3GOa4Nac5g=&h=800&w=581&sz=76&hl=en&start=28&um=1&tbnid=mhKpaVGVmUz6oM:&tbnh=143&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dstatue%2Bof%2Bqueen%2Bamanitore%26ndsp%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D18%26um%3D1