easymancfc:


Exactly, and I covered that in my first reply, Jesus is God by nature, Not just because of his Glory, yes he left his Glory, He didn't leave his nature.

And again He is not just the Son of God, He is God

Being immortal, God never was "born" and never had a "mother." The second Person of the Trinity, Jesus, did have a beginning to His earthly ministry when he was conceived in Mary's womb and was born, but from eternity past He had always been the Son of God.

Jesus is the Eternal Son of the Eternal Father, The Word, He didn't have a Mother before he was incarnated so She is not His Eternal mother because he predates her.. Yes... but from the Time he took flesh, She became his mother, She is the mother of Jesus the Nazarene, and Jesus the Nazarene is God. Yes He is her God too, but she is his mother atleast from the time the Word was made flesh in John 1:14 or luke 1: 38

Another note: it is God that gives us our souls right... not our mothers even though our mothers (and fathers) give us our bodies... But we don't address our mothers as "Mother of our body only" since it is the only thing we got from them, We just call them "Mother" even though it implies that (since we have both body and soul ) that she gave us both

Jesus is the son of God , God is God, no man cometh to the father Xcept through Christ , we pray to God with the name of Jesus ... Jesus alys acknowledge the supremacy of God ..jesus is not God himself but the son Of God ... Ur father is ur father doesn't mean u are ur father .. This are different personalities but in one blood ... So is God and Jesus the son of God ...

Just to clear it up more, Mary Is not the Mother of the Holy Spirit, nor God the Father, and she was not Until the Incarnation, the Mother of God the Son, But when the Eternal Son (Word) who Is still God became man (John 1: 1-14) that was when she became His Mother, the Mother of Jesus, the Nazarene, who is God

if you don't believe Jesus is God then OYO, For you, because
John believed it see John 1: 1 In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and THE WORD was GOD.

Thomas believed it when he said to Jesus in John 20:28 Thomas answered him, “My LORD and my GOD!”

I forgot about IsaiahIsaiah 9:6 A child is born to us!A son is given to us!And he will be our ruler.He will be called, “Wonderful Counselor,”MIGHTY GOD,” “ETERNAL FATHER,”“Prince of Peace.”

Like I said OYO

Here are other scriptures that might help show you that Jesus is God
John 10:30 The Father and I are one.”If he and the father are one then... He is God also and the jews understood that because they wanted to kill him for that as seen in John 10:33 They answered, “We do not want to stone you because of any good deeds, but because of your blasphemy! You are only a man, but you are trying to make yourself God!”
John 5:18 This saying made the Jewish authorities all the more determined to kill him; not only had he broken the Sabbath law, but he had said that God was his own Father and in this way had made himself equal with God.
Because he is the Lord of the Sabbath(mat 12:8 )

John 8:58 “I am telling you the truth,” Jesus replied. “Before Abraham was born, ‘I Am’.”Where Jesus uses the Divine Name of Exodus 3:14 for himself. For which they wanted to stone him again (John 8:59)

easymancfc:


Jesus is the Eternal Son of the Eternal Father, The Word, He didn't have a Mother before he was incarnated so She is not His Eternal mother because he predates her.. Yes... but from the Time he took flesh, She became his mother, She is the mother of Jesus the Nazarene, and Jesus the Nazarene is God. Yes He is her God too, but she is his mother atleast from the time the Word was made flesh in John 1:14 or luke 1: 38

It is enough that we call Mary the mother of Jesus, don't push it.

easymancfc:


Another note: it is God that gives us our souls right... not our mothers even though our mothers (and fathers) give us our bodies... But we don't address our mothers as "Mother of our body only" since it is the only thing we got from them, We just call them "Mother" even though it implies that (since we have both body and soul ) that she gave us both

Mothers are vehichles through which we become born on earth, they don't make us only God made us. So don't idolise mothers, nevertheless, Mary.

easymancfc:


Just to clear it up more, Mary Is not the Mother of the Holy Spirit, nor God the Father, and she was not Until the Incarnation, the Mother of God the Son, But when the Eternal Son (Word) who Is still God became man (John 1: 1-14) that was when she became His Mother, the Mother of Jesus, the Nazarene, who is God

Since she is not the mother of the aforementioned then let it suffice us to say she was only the mother of Jesus.

easymancfc:


if you don't believe Jesus is God then OYO, For you, because
John believed it see John 1: 1 In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and THE WORD was GOD.

Thomas believed it when he said to Jesus in John 20:28 Thomas answered him, “My LORD and my GOD!”

I forgot about IsaiahIsaiah 9:6 A child is born to us!A son is given to us!And he will be our ruler.He will be called, “Wonderful Counselor,”MIGHTY GOD,” “ETERNAL FATHER,”“Prince of Peace.”

Like I said OYO

That is not the point. Jesus was already one with the Father, but He set aside His rights as Divinity and took the form of a baby (John 1:1). He went on to live the normal life of a Jewish boy, obeying His earthly parents (Luke 2:51).

easymancfc:


Here are other scriptures that might help show you that Jesus is God
John 10:30 The Father and I are one.”If he and the father are one then... He is God also and the jews understood that because they wanted to kill him for that as seen in John 10:33 They answered, “We do not want to stone you because of any good deeds, but because of your blasphemy! You are only a man, but you are trying to make yourself God!”
John 5:18 This saying made the Jewish authorities all the more determined to kill him; not only had he broken the Sabbath law, but he had said that God was his own Father and in this way had made himself equal with God.
Because he is the Lord of the Sabbath(mat 12:8 )

John 8:58 “I am telling you the truth,” Jesus replied. “Before Abraham was born, ‘I Am’.”Where Jesus uses the Divine Name of Exodus 3:14 for himself. For which they wanted to stone him again (John 8:59)

The deity of Christ is not in doubt and that is beside the point.

John 1:1 doesn't say he left his divinity, It says that the Word was God, Like I have already pointed out, Jesus is God by nature, He left his Glory not his Nature..

the deity of Christ has everything to do with it... for it is because of his deity that is why Mary is given the title ... Even if he lived the Life of a normal Jewish Boy.. it was because He chose to... not because he was powerless or no longer God... besides he didn't live Exactly like a "normal Jewish boy" see Luke 2:41-51

easymancfc:
John 1:1 doesn't say he left his divinity, It says that the Word was God, Like I have already pointed out, Jesus is God by nature, He left his Glory not his Nature..

the deity of Christ has everything to do with it... for it is because of his deity that is why Mary is given the title ... Even if he lived the Life of a normal Jewish Boy.. it was because He chose to... not because he was powerless or no longer God... besides he didn't live Exactly like a "normal Jewish boy" see Luke 2:41-51

the point is Mary was never the mother of God,she was the mother of the Jesus only in the flesh nothing more. Don't try to push it beyond that.

solite3:
the point is Mary was never the mother of God,she was the mother of the Jesus only in the flesh nothing more. Don't try to push it beyond that.

You just posted the heresy of Nestorius. In 431AD, when the church was still about 400 years old, when the great great grand children of Christ's disciple were still alive, this your opinion was condemned by Christendom.

The church affirmed that in line with scriptures Jn1.1, the word was God. Again that in line with Scriptures Jn1:14, this same word which is God, took flesh in the womb of the Virgin Mary. Hence it is scriptural to say that Mary bore God in her womb. Any other thing na you sabi.

N.B It's important to note that some of those who determined what books you call the bible, were part of this Council.

OLAADEGBU:


The deity of Christ is not in doubt and that is beside the point.

The whole point is this: In the womb of Mary, was the Deity of Christ in doubt?

Syncan:


The whole point is this: In the womb of Mary, was the Deity of Christ in doubt?

Was baby Jesus aware of His deity?

easymancfc:


John 1:1 doesn't say he left his divinity, It says that the Word was God, Like I have already pointed out, Jesus is God by nature, He left his Glory not his Nature..

the deity of Christ has everything to do with it... for it is because of his deity that is why Mary is given the title ... Even if he lived the Life of a normal Jewish Boy.. it was because He chose to... not because he was powerless or no longer God... besides he didn't live Exactly like a "normal Jewish boy" see Luke 2:41-51

At what point did Jesus become aware of His divinity?

OLAADEGBU:


Was baby Jesus aware of His deity?

Please answer my question, then ask yours.

Jesus Always knew who he was... Atleast at age 12 he knew he was in his Father's House see Luke 2:41-51.... and at the wedding of Canna, He knew that his ministry had not started yet see John 2 especially verse 4.. Besides even as a baby he was not just an ordinary human baby... He was aware... Angels in heaven were singing, wise men followed a star and brought gifts see Luke 2:8-20

Syncan:


You just posted the heresy of Nestorius. In 431AD, when the church was still about 400 years old, when the great great grand children of Christ's disciple were still alive, this your opinion was condemned by Christendom.

The church affirmed that in line with scriptures Jn1.1, the word was God. Again that in line with Scriptures Jn1:14, this same word which is God, took flesh in the womb of the Virgin Mary. Hence it is scriptural to say that Mary bore God in her womb. Any other thing na you sabi.

N.B It's important to note that some of those who determined what books you call the bible, were part of this Council.

the deity of Christ is not in contest but saying Mary is the mother of God is heresy. The early church never conceived the idea of Mary being mother of God. Such idea originated from pagans.

Mary was the mother of Jesus only in the flesh not the mother of God.

See this verse,

Romans 1:3 [b]Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;[/b]

Here Paul was saying David was the father of Jesus according to the flesh. If Mary was the mother of God then David must also be the father of God because David was the father of Mary.

According to Catholics Paul must be a heretic for this statement.
Such is what church dogma is.

OLAADEGBU:


It is enough that we call Mary the mother of Jesus, don't push it.



Mothers are vehichles through which we become born on earth, they don't make us only God made us. So don't idolise mothers, nevertheless, Mary.

The issue isnt about idolising mothers.

d issue is simple, did mary carry God in her womb? did she give birth to him?

solite3:
the point is Mary was never the mother of God,she was the mother of the Jesus only in the flesh nothing more. Don't try to push it beyond that.

did mary carry God in her womb?

solite3:
the deity of Christ is not in contest but saying Mary is the mother of God is heresy. The early church never conceived the idea of Mary being mother of God. Such idea originated from pagans.

Mary was the mother of Jesus only in the flesh not the mother of God.

See this verse,

Romans 1:3 [b]Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;[/b]

Here Paul was saying David was the father of Jesus according to the flesh. If Mary was the mother of God then David must also be the father of God because David was the father of Mary.

According to Catholics Paul must be a heretic for this statement.
Such is what church dogma is.

Rhetorics. How Jesus was connected to David is there for everyone to see. Joseph whose lineage (paternal) tied Jesus to David is only a foster father. So it's therefore a weak argument to use. Mary bore God (the word) in her womb. She is God bearer (Theotokus), and your ldenial of historical fact changes nothing. A number of those who canonized the books you call scripture today we're still those who condemned your view and that of your father in it Nestorius. 431AD in Ephesus, go find out. They tell you that the the Gospels of Mathew, mark, John and Luke are canons and that of James isn't, you take it. Yet same people tell you that Mary is Theotokus, you say no. Continue picking and choosing.

OLAADEGBU:


Was Joseph his foster father from eternity? or are you just saying God was born when Jesus was began His earthly ministry?

Jesus was born on earth, a joseph was his foster father

OLAADEGBU:


Then you believe that Mary, at some point was greater than God, no?

greater in what sense?

Ubenedictus:
did mary carry God in her womb?

no

Syncan:


Rhetorics. How Jesus was connected to David is there for everyone to see. Joseph whose lineage (paternal) tied Jesus to David is only a foster father. So it's therefore a weak argument to use. Mary bore God (the word) in her womb. She is God bearer (Theotokus), and your ldenial of historical fact changes nothing. A number of those who canonized the books you call scripture today we're still those who condemned your view and that of your father in it Nestorius. 431AD in Ephesus, go find out. They tell you that the the Gospels of Mathew, mark, John and Luke are canons and that of James isn't, you take it. Yet same people tell you that Mary is Theotokus, you say no. Continue picking and choosing.

. That verse is clear enough! Mary is the mother of Jesus in the flesh is biblically sound not mother of God.

solite3:
no

so who did she conceive? Who was in her womb?

solite3:
. That verse is clear enough! Mary is the mother of Jesus in the flesh is biblically sound not mother of God.

Hahahaha, it's not by shouting. The Church fathers, who canonized the books you now know as scripture, understood that verse as well as I do. That's why your erroneous position was condemned by them and I. In the womb of Mary was the word (JN.1:14),..."and the word was God" JN.1:1

Ubenedictus:
so who did she conceive? Who was in her womb?

she carried the man Jesus in her womb

Syncan:


Hahahaha, it's not by shouting. The Church fathers, who canonized the books you now know as scripture, understood that verse as well as I do. That's why your erroneous position was condemned by them and I. In the womb of Mary was the word (JN.1:14),..."and the word was God" JN.1:1

the apostles of Christ who wrote the scriptures which church fathers canonised never recognised Mary as the mother of God. It was the invention of roman pagan tradition.

Paul in speaking to the Jews said Jesus is the seed of David according to the flesh which means Jesus relationship with Mary as his mother or David as his father ended in the flesh.
Jesus said his mother and brethren are those who listen to his words.
Mary was just a vessel used by God.

solite3:
she carried the man Jesus in her womb

So we have 2 Jesus abi, one is just man, the other is God and man.


MAY GOD SAVE US FROM THE ERRORS OF NESTORIUS

solite3:
she carried the man Jesus in her womb

Who did she give birth to? The man only Jesus or the GOD+MAN Jesus?