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Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by optimusprime2(m): 12:24am On Nov 24, 2016 |
For me, it's Mercy Akide- She was physical and talented, so her game play had that blend of power and style, similar to Adriano of Brazil(When he was still in top form). Perpetua was equally good, but she just lacked that brutish power that Akide Oozed. I was not surprised when she made Fifa XI pro for women then. That lady was just good, its a pity she was not opportuned to play in the era of Perpetua Nkwocha, which had a considerably stronger Falcons team. 1 Like |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by pazienza(m): 12:24am On Nov 24, 2016 |
TheSuperNerd: I don't know what you are talking about mehn. Akide played in an inferior African women championship when other African women teams were still sleeping, yet her goal scoring record in that tournament as a striker was poor when considered with those of Perpetual that was in a more competitive era. One would expect an incredibly gifted player like you hype Mercy to be, to break goal scoring charts in an era of comparatively weaker female footballers, ala Pelle and the footballers of 1950's and 60's, but that isn't the case with Akide, is it? Nkwocha was in the 2004 team, but so was Akide, but since you were quick to give the glory of the exploits of women like Okosieme, Nwadike,Emeafu, Egbe, who were all scoring the most important match winning goals in 1999 to Akide, we can as well gift her the failures of the 2004 team, since she was the main striker of the team. And oh! Nkwocha was in the 2004 Olympics team, and actually did provide an assist on one of the matches of that tournament. 3 Likes |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by pazienza(m): 12:36am On Nov 24, 2016 |
TheSuperNerd: You forget that Nkwocha is not even a striker, she is an attacking midfielder Akide doesn't have much international goals more than her. In total, Akide has 6 international goals for Nigeria, Nkwocha has 3, but she more than makes it up in local scene, where she eclipses and towers over Akide. I can't even believe I'm having this argument. Never knew a day will come when any reasonable person would ever compare Nkwocha with any past Nigerian female footballer, cos as far as I can see, there is no comparison there, Nkwocha stands out by far. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by TheSuperNerd(m): 12:40am On Nov 24, 2016 |
Hmmm.... @final bolded.... There was no olympics in 2003 but 2004. And Nkwocha gave an assist and so what?? Is that even a serious point or something? Are we gonna leave out the other assists in that campaign and just single out perpetual's sole assist? Na wa ooo You earlier admitted by yourself in reply to Sir Robosky02 that Akide was indeed the "star" of that falcons team in 1999 so why saying it is I who give her all the credit now? Loollll ............... All the remaining bolded shows a "complete disdain" for Akide on your part (a striker who banged in 8 at 1998 AWCON alone and 7 at 2000 AWCON and obviously scored loads in 1995 AWCON?)..... There's no need taking this discussion further. You already confessed to not knowing what I'm talking about. So it isn't wise to proceed when one is in ignorance of what we are discussing. So Ciao... pazienza: |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by TheSuperNerd(m): 12:41am On Nov 24, 2016 |
You are just repeating all I have clearly stated earlier in other posts. Kindly scroll up and read before dropping comments. pazienza: |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by pazienza(m): 12:44am On Nov 24, 2016 |
TheSuperNerd: Lol! Honest mistake, I have edited it. Ok. Ciao! |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by kilo4sure: 3:49am On Nov 24, 2016 |
pazienza:So you are telling me a player who scored two of our three goals in a tournament like the Olympics wasn't fit for common afcon some months later? |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by Okusi(m): 4:57am On Nov 24, 2016 |
TheSuperNerd: I'm already in luv with you. you killed it. Dede and Cynthia Uwak deserves mention too. Mercy Akide is way above Nkwocha due to the fact that she carried the team on her shoulder then. Oshoala will soon make them the second best 1 Like |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by def111(m): 7:05am On Nov 24, 2016 |
if you have watch both of them played you will understand Mercy is Greatest Africa football,... during her time. Africa team are no match to any Western world team. |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by phoenix90(m): 8:04am On Nov 24, 2016 |
Daninya11:I beg to differ, Nkwocha faced as much challenge as Mercy did. And Mercy never really carried the team on her shoulders as you insinuated, she had a cast of Omagbemi, patience Avre, Nkiru Okosieme, Ann Chiejina, Egbe and so on. In her hey days she wasn't that better than Okosieme. But as a striker she was easily recognised. What about Kikelomo Ajayi? The two as you said were great but their greatest undoing was not getting us a medal in the international tournaments. 1 Like |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by Daddi: 8:32am On Nov 24, 2016 |
TheSuperNerd:you're coming from award and recognition angle, which is always limited to time and circumstances. 1. The only defender to have won balloon d'or is cannavaro, does that make him the best defender of his generation? Considering guys like Maldini, puyol, Terry etc. What's sketchy about Mercy's records, she started playing for the falcons in 1995 at the age of 19. if you're to talk of sketchy record it has to be perpetua's whose record was only presented from 2000 at the age of 24 upwards. No one made mention of her deeds from 18years till then. Then if Mercy's record is not yet complete as YOU said then we are dealing with incomplete analysis and statistics and there's no case. 3. As per time every country has it's golden generation that no matter how the game develops it'll take time for some generation to match that. eg, eagles of 90's, argentina team of 80's to 90's, france team of late 90's to early 2000's. The falcons Golden generation was from late 90's to early 2000's. Pls tell me the winger in the present team that can match Stella mbachu, or a defender that can raid the wing like kikelomo ajayi, a full back like ekpo or a creative midfielder like Maureen in this present generation? And Mercy benefited from these class including assists from a super midfielder like perpetua, yet she couldn't outscore a midfielder (not criticising a legend, never, just that you want to bring Nigeria political analysis pattern to a sports that open for all to see). Your overall argument is like saying Mikel is the best Nigeria player or best 10 ever after all he's performed at the highest level or so. Anyway, I'm looking at the best of talent usage and overall performance of ability. Thanks 1 Like |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by zicky(m): 9:41am On Nov 24, 2016 |
omofunaab:If you say mercy open the door for female footballers to go foreign, I'll agree just same way Keshi did to the men team bt that in no way make her better than perpetual who's an all round player. Its just like comparing Oparanozie to Asisat, we all know who's the better player. |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by TheSuperNerd(m): 10:38am On Nov 24, 2016 |
So Mikel is not in Nigeria's top 10? This alone shows your bias. So a player should be rated without looking at his overall achievements and Impact significance?? We shouldnt look at whose abilities were used in such a way as to bring Nigeria Glory at the highest of levels?? Na wa ooo... And what's limited to time and circumstances?? Akide's super consistent award-winning displays in the green and white?? Na wa oooo... Plss cannavaro only won the Fifa world best player (NOT BALLON D'OR) because Zidane got himself in a misconduct scandal with Mateo Materazzi. Fifa didn't want such a player to hold such prestigious prize at the time. #Fact so your reference to Cannavaro is lame and illogical. Cannavaro was not the super consistent performer kind. And pls tell me I pray, when did Perpetua make her debut for the Super Falcons if you know so much about her legend? Mercy's records dates back to even 1994 with the Super Falcons. I only made reference to the 1995 WWC because that was her first international tournament. She scored loads of goals during the 1995 AWCON also but the goals record are not known only the results of the matches. So if it's not sketchy abeg provide Mercy's full stats.... Abeg pls dig it up since it's so easy to do so. Perpetual began her Falcons career late just as Drogba began his Ivorien career late. Or you think all players started playing for Nigeria at age 18?? So It was Akide who had super players with her only huh? So you say it was Perpetual's assists ONLY which Propelled Akide?? Perpetual began with the team in 2000 so what about the first 6 years of Akide's career? Na wa ooo... What about Cynthia Uwak? What about Vera Okolo? Effioawan Ekpo? Precious Dede? Ifeanyi Chiejine? And many more? They didnt play for a long time with Perpetual abi?? And talking about political analysis bias, I think it's you going by your self-confessed angle of view. "You are looking at.... " Looking at what?? Best of talent usage...... So Akide didnt utilise her talents to the best of her abilities and for the benefit of the team?? Overall performance and abilities indeed.... Look, even Uche Eucharia and Marvis Ogun (played in USA 99... Her last WWC) were excellent ball players. IF THE BOLDED IS ALL YOU LOOK AT THEN YOU ARE BIASED INDEED. BESIDES THAT'S WHY THE SOCCER WORLD WON'T TAKE YOUR OPINION SERIOUSLY. Fifa, Caf, Uefa speak based on the major impacts such overall performance and abilities and best of talent usage make on the game continentally and globally. We are looking at the impacts of such performances, their significance and many more parameters and you think you get to decide WHICH ANGLE you wanna see it from... Looollll Sir, be fair.... Akide takes it slightly. You have no idea of Akide's stats from 1994 till before USA 1999. The only stats you probably know are her 8 goals in AWCON 1998. Between 1994 and 1998 nko?? A lady that went to the WWC at age 19 in 1995 and was recorded to be scoring an average of 3-4 goals per match in the Local scene. Oga, you have no idea.... And speaking of Golden generation, I have seen Golden generations flunk... Does that mean they werent actually a generation of super talents? Examples are Holland/Netherlands of the 70s, the Ghanaian black Queens team of the early 2000s (alberta sackey, Adjoa Bayor, menumatu suleimana), etc So you think terming a generation "golden" is just down to achievements?? It's also down to the quality of the team and their projected potentials. Our Super Falcons first golden generation was from 1998-2004. In 2010-2011, we had a Super Falcons team that could challenge the world if we had a really good manager. That team underperformed and didnt live up to their golden potentials. They were a crack team with battle hardened and exposed individual stars and some young talents. Yet we failed From 2006 to 2011, we saw another Super Falcons golden generation rise but they fumbled on the biggest stages. Now we are seeing another generation led by Asisat Oshoala, Desire Oparanozie, Ngozi Okobi... Etc... Coaches before the AWCON 2016 began said this squad is too strong for Africa. That's it's WORLD CUP QUALITY. Does that mean if they fail that they didnt have golden qualities? So plsss... Your premise on Golden generation is flawed and an attempt to rob Mercy of the accolades she deserves. Making the FIFA WORLD ALL-STAR XI TWICE IS NO BEANS SIR... IN 1999 AND 2004. Had the Caf women's best player been started in 1991, Mercy would have collected more than five, no questions asked. She was that awesome even in our "first golden generation". Had the AWCON been held in *1993 and 1997, Mercy would have scored a whole lot more than the 18 we know about from 1998-2002. This even excludes her goals from the 1995 AWCON. Give up this argumemt plss... I just felt I should reply because I woke up and saw this mention but had to face my day firstly before settling down to reply. I keep wondering why you guys are hell-bent on discrediting Mercy. Na wa oooo.... Look at my previous posts plss before you drop any other replies because I will not tolerate repeating myself. Look from page 0 of this thread and go through all I said in this Mercy and Perprtual discussion. You just jumped in because you just prefer Perpetual. Please read through and know that even you didnt watch Perpetual like I did or love her more. I believe in saying it as it is.... So deal with it. I wish not to come back to this... I got other matters abeg. Ciao... Daddi: 1 Like |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by TheSuperNerd(m): 10:42am On Nov 24, 2016 |
Sir Zicky, you're right. Perpetual is the better well-rounded player between herself and marvellous mercy. That's a no-brainer sef... But all in all, putting all local, continental and international/global parameters and stats/records and Impact factors together, I have to say the truth, Akide edges Nkwocha albeit just slightly. And even in today's generation, There are people who ten years from today will tell you they preferred Oparanozie to Oshoala. But we know Oshoala is the better allround footballer. zicky: |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by robosky02(m): 11:29am On Nov 24, 2016 |
To set the record straight and not underplaying the worth of Perpetual Nkwacha who is outstanding in terms of awards but MERCY ADIKE IS THE GREATEST NIGERIAN FOOTBALLER She started the game when she was so young yet too hot and indeed the trail blazer for all others to follow not just in Nigeria but the entire africa. 1. Mercy started playing football at the age of five with her oldest brother Seleipiri and younger brother Ipali in the sandy field of Bundu Waterside, near Port Harcourt Prisons in Port Harcourt. Her speed was recognized from a young age, and when she was 12 years old, at Holy Rosary Secondary School in Port Harcourt, she took part in long-distance races, running the 400m, 800m and 1500m races against older competitors 2. In consideration of her skills in particular, a group of youth soccer organisers put together a girls' tournament to select the girls who would become "the Garden City Queens". 3. At that time, the Nigerian Women's league was in its formative years and Garden City Queens was not among the top teams such as Jegede Babes, Ufuoma Babes and Larry's Angels. The club played mostly exhibition games around the state with Akide as the star attraction. She averaged nearly five goals per game during the two years she spent at the club. One of those friendly games was against elite team Jegede Babes, and although the Queens lost 6-1, Akide scored the only goal for her side. 4. Club proprietor Princess Bola Jegede was so impressed by her that she promptly offered her a place in her club. 5. Akide joined Jegede Babes just as Nigeria were taking part in the inaugural Women's World Cup in China in 1991. With an already established strike force in place, Akide was moved to central midfield for the 1992 season where she took time to adjust. But by the 1993 season, she emerged highest goalscorer in both league and Cup. She plundered 16 goals in the league and another eight in the Challenge Cup. She took the form into the next season, scoring 15 goals in the 1994 league season and 10 in the Challenge Cup to earn herself a call-up to coach Ismaila Mabo's national camp. 6. National team call up: Her two seasons of consistency with Jegede Babes, where she scored a total of 49 goals in two seasons, caught the attention of national coach Ismaila Mabo and Mercy was called to camp in 1994 7. Career highlights: 3 FIFA Women's World Cup™ appearances 2 Olympic Football Tournament appearances 3 CAF African Women's Championships The first CAF African Women's Footballer of the Year: 2002 8. In 2015 she was named among FIFA All-time Best Classic Players • Cheryl Salisbury (AUS) • Renate LINGOR (GER) • Mercy AKIDE (NGA) • Kristine LILLY (USA) • Michelle AKERS (USA) • Hanna LJUNGBERG (SWE) • Hege RIISE (NOR) • Carolina MORACE (ITA) • Sun WEN (CHN) • Mia HAMM (USA) • Birgit PRINZ (GER) • Doris FITSCHEN (GER) • SISSI (BRA) The point here is you don’t measure her by the CAF awards cos the award only started from the 2011 which she was even the first to win. If the awards were to start from the 1990s when she was on fire maybe she would have had it TEN TIMES before PERPETUAL NKWACHA had it 5 now. 2 Likes
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Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by zicky(m): 1:01pm On Nov 24, 2016 |
@Robosky02 @Supernerd being the youngest does not make you the best if not Opabumi would be Nigeria greatest, from stats available and from watching both players, Perpetual is a super talent and the greatest female footballer. We don't debate on "had it been" cause it never was, Perpetual was a better goal scorer(her stats speak so) and a far better mid-fielder to Mercy |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by robosky02(m): 1:22pm On Nov 24, 2016 |
zicky: who are not talking of been the youngest check her statistic: "in two seasons of consistency with Jegede Babes, where she scored a total of 49 goals in two seasons, caught the attention of national coach Ismaila Mabo and Mercy was called to camp in 1994" in Nigeria were accurate record is not kept maybe she even did more boy no be beans 2. in the years we are talking about the 1990 to early 2000 she was just the bomb in Africa.. the best. it was only in the 2001 the African footballer award for women started and she won it. 3. ok Nigeria has won the AWCON twice as a championship before CAF changed the format, this year would have made it la decimal but they just counted 7. so will you now say Nigeria only stated were CAF changed format? again Victor Ikpeba won African footballer of the year but Okocha did not win it.... so would you now say Ikpeba is better than Okocha who even Pele recognized as among the 100 living legent, abi BBC that named him twice for been so good failed too forget Mercy Akide is a bomb... she was so good they called her Marvelous 2 Likes
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Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by TheSuperNerd(m): 1:27pm On Nov 24, 2016 |
Zicky... If I supply you with Akide's stats between 1994-1999 you will not say these again... It will just shut you up. It's difficult getting all those stats so just cool it.... *If I give my time to dig, I will get them* Akide edges Perpetual on the overall.... That's an indisputable fact. Even Fifa agrees. So just live with it. zicky: |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by robosky02(m): 1:55pm On Nov 24, 2016 |
TheSuperNerd: leave him "when a man has not travelled before he will think the world ends were the stream in his village ends" 1 Like |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by zicky(m): 2:00pm On Nov 24, 2016 |
TheSuperNerd:those stats is exactly what am looking for, as long as the "say" stats is not available means it does not exist. from 95' to 99', Nigeria was nothing in world female football (I remember hw we were wallop 7-1 by USA) so I don't know the stats you guy are talking, no doubt she's one of the shining light of Nigeria female football, you can't talk about female football without the Mention of Merciless Mercy bt guy Perpetual is just too good. At one time I imagined a mid-field of perpetual and kanu in the super eagles 3 Likes |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by zicky(m): 2:10pm On Nov 24, 2016 |
robosky02:sorry Sir, I just told you who my greatest was, and I hold unto stats available and the period I watched both played for the National team, I know very well she's like a fifa brand of female football in Africa, I remember she was called some yrs back to present an award at a fifa gala night . So Mister, I know what am talking bout, Perpetual is my greatest |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by TheSuperNerd(m): 2:27pm On Nov 24, 2016 |
I'm done with this. Believe whatever you want. zicky: |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by pazienza(m): 11:25pm On Nov 25, 2016 |
robosky02: 1. No comment on that. We all have our beginnings. 2. She was a striker. No better way to judge a striker that his/ her goal returns. She could have won the African women footballer of the year many times if it was conducted earlier, but she could have won it with less impressive goal record than Perpetual when she won hers. Akide is a striker, she played in less competitive African women championship, and her goal returns are still inferior to those of Nkwocha who played in a more competitive AWCON. Akide didn't set any off the chart records in inferior and weak African Women championship and earlier editions of AFCON when she was at the peak of her prowess. But you want us to believe an amateur less experienced and developed Akide did set off the chart records in FIFA and CAF unrecognized competitions in the early days of her career? Someone had also reminded you here that we also don't have access to Nkwocha earlier stats. 3. How many times did Ikpeaba win the African footballer of the year award? Is Ikpeaba the leading all time highest goal scorer in AFCON like Nkwocha in AWCON? Apples and oranges, my friend. 4. Mercy tried, but she is still many levels behind Nkwocha. Nkwocha remains indisputable queen of Nigerian and indeed African Women football for the time being. 1 Like |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by def111(m): 2:06pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
make I get my like for Mercy fan.... Na only Biafra people they support Nkwocha... Mercy is the Greatest Africa player..take it or leave it |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by robosky02(m): 3:18pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
def111: |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by happen2: 5:59pm On Nov 26, 2016 |
Vera okolo, what a player! She was the that won that Cameron final in 2004 where perpetual score four goals She was super fast. |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by somtookeke(m): 6:05am On Jan 08, 2020 |
11 facts about Nigeria's Oshoala, Africa's best female footballer who dropped school for football https://speakersden2..com/2020/01/11-facts-about-nigeria-oshoala-africa.html
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Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by robosky02(m): 8:59pm On Mar 18, 2020 |
Assist oshoala is now in the mix |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by gibzzhd: 7:53am On Mar 19, 2020 |
robosky02:yeah and the rating remains Mercy > Oshola > pepertual |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by zicky(m): 9:28am On Mar 19, 2020 |
gibzzhd:For me it's Perpetual - Oshoala - Mercy |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by robosky02(m): 10:01am On Mar 19, 2020 |
gibzzhd: Taa you can put oshoala ahead of perpetual Before oshoala won 4 African balondor Pepertual has done it in style |
Re: Who Is Nigerias" Greatest Female Footballer: Mercy Or Perpetual? by gibzzhd: 2:10pm On Mar 19, 2020 |
robosky02: Oshola is just playing for Barca ladies a team that can't be rated Top 5 in Europe.Mercy played in the best female league in the world(USWL) and played with and against the best female Footballers in the world and was counted |
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