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The Atheist's Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:57pm On Dec 01, 2016
The atheist's dilemma

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by Richirich713: 7:18pm On Dec 01, 2016
Most atheists here probably don't even understand the argument, instead they'll just attack the strawman " who said atheists can't be moral".
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by OZAOEKPE(m): 7:59pm On Dec 01, 2016
Seun needs to calm down
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by Emusan(m): 8:40pm On Dec 01, 2016
OZAOEKPE:
Seun needs to calm down
For what?
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:44am On Dec 03, 2016
Richirich713:


Most atheists here probably don't even understand the argument, instead they'll just attack the strawman " who said atheists can't be moral".

I doubt that they've got a clue. cool

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by foladara777(m): 11:15am On Dec 03, 2016
If God is the moral law giver... Is there a reason God give laws... Lemme do it this way, does God forbid killing because it is bad or is killing bad because God says so... Plss I need your answer

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by peacesamuel94(m): 11:19am On Dec 03, 2016
foladara777:
If God is the moral law giver... Is there a reason God give laws... Lemme do it this way, does God forbid killing because it is bad or is killing bad because God says so... Plss I need your answer


What is your definition of bad ?

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by foladara777(m): 11:23am On Dec 03, 2016
peacesamuel94:



What is your definition of bad ?
That's my question... Is badness or goodness determined by God
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by peacesamuel94(m): 11:27am On Dec 03, 2016
foladara777:
That's my question... Is badness or goodness determined by God

The Op has answered your question, so answer mine.
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:33pm On Dec 03, 2016
foladara777:


If God is the moral law giver... Is there a reason God give laws... Lemme do it this way, does God forbid killing because it is bad or is killing bad because God says so... Plss I need your answer

God forbids murder not killing because He alone is the Giver of life. smiley

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by mrvitalis(m): 12:32am On Dec 04, 2016
First of all there is nothing like good and bad, it's all about perception which in turn is a factor of environment

What's seems good to me may be a nad thing to u

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by NOETHNICITY(m): 6:51am On Dec 04, 2016
mrvitalis:
First of all there is nothing like good and bad, it's all about perception which in turn is a factor of environment

What's seems good to me may be a nad thing to u
Sory bro bt u er wong here. Let me ask u, is armed robbery nt bad? Is stealing nt bad? Is killing a gd tin?
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by DelusionKiller(f): 7:03am On Dec 04, 2016
Name one ethical statement made, or one ethical action performed, by a believer that could not have been uttered or done by a nonbeliever.

Christopher Hitchens

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by mrvitalis(m): 9:16am On Dec 04, 2016
NOETHNICITY:
Sory bro bt u er wong here. Let me ask u, is armed robbery nt bad? Is stealing nt bad? Is killing a gd tin?
Armed robbery is neither bad nor good it just ur perception towards it

Stealing can be good or bad depending on ur perception

Killing is not bad ooh.. After all we celebrate David killing the Palestinians

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by EyeHateGod: 9:20am On Dec 04, 2016
grin This Op is a Coward...

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by Richirich713: 9:32am On Dec 04, 2016
DelusionKiller:
Name one ethical statement made, or one ethical action performed, by a believer that could not have been uttered or done by a nonbeliever.

Christopher Hitchens

Richirich713:
Most atheists here probably don't even understand the argument, instead they'll just attack the strawman " who said atheists can't be moral".
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by Richirich713: 9:57am On Dec 04, 2016
mrvitalis:
First of all there is nothing like good and bad, it's all about perception which in turn is a factor of environment

What's seems good to me may be a nad thing to u

That implies the nazi's actions wasn't really bad, it's just our opinion, if that's true then no one can condemn the holocaust or anything evil since on moral relatism no one's moral worldview is more superior then anyone else's. On this view ,condemning sum1 actions wud be like me condemning u for not preferring chocolate to vanilla.
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by mrvitalis(m): 10:06am On Dec 04, 2016
Richirich713:


That implies the nazi's actions wasn't really bad, it's just our opinion, if that's true then no one can condemn the holocaust or anything evil since on moral relatism no one's moral worldview is more superior then anyone else's. On this view ,condemning sum1 actions wud be like me condemning u for not preferring chocolate to vanilla.

We now have human law based of generally majority perception. .. in a sense nazist naver saw there actions as bad

Just as Christians and jews will never see god promising a land that belong to other people to iseral and asked them to kill them and take the land? Or will never see gods instruction to make Saul as bad

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by Kay17: 10:12am On Dec 04, 2016
OLAADEGBU:
The atheist's dilemma

Good and evil are value judgments not concrete reality.

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by Richirich713: 10:41am On Dec 04, 2016
mrvitalis:


We now have human law based of generally majority perception. .. in a sense nazist naver saw there actions as bad

That's my point, nothing is good or evil on that view . The nazi's weren't really doing anything wrong, it's just our majority opinion that they were wrong.


mrvitalis:

Just as Christians and jews will never see god promising a land that belong to other people to iseral and asked them to kill them and take the land? Or will never see gods instruction to make Saul as bad

The nazi's weren't God, they don't have the right or authority to take people's lives or deliver judgement for people's sins.
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by mrvitalis(m): 11:50am On Dec 04, 2016
Richirich713:


That's my point, nothing is good or evil on that view . The nazi's weren't really doing anything wrong, it's just our majority opinion that they were wrong.




The nazi's weren't God, they don't have the right or authority to take people's lives or deliver judgement for people's sins.
Lol but God has the right to attack people because they worshipped other gods??

Bro from the Bible God is a small God who achieved little
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by Richirich713: 1:19pm On Dec 04, 2016
mrvitalis:

Lol but God has the right to attack people because they worshipped other gods??

Bro from the Bible God is a small God who achieved little

Actually God has the right to punish people for sins and he has the right to take human life because he is the judge and the creator and sustainer of all life and existence.

I take it that on your view the nazi's weren't wrong, nor is anyone really wrong since there's nothing like good or bad, it's all subjective perception? Again if that's true you can't condemn the nazi's or the racist's who ran apartheid in South Africa actions as immoral or wrong.

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by mrvitalis(m): 2:31pm On Dec 04, 2016
Richirich713:


Actually God has the right to punish people for sins and he has the right to take human life because he is the judge and the creator and sustainer of all life and existence.

I take it that on your view the nazi's weren't wrong, nor is anyone really wrong since there's nothing like good or bad, it's all subjective perception? Again if that's true you can't condemn the nazi's or the racist's who ran apartheid in South Africa actions as immoral or wrong.
Lol good also kills the innocent

Am sure if he had told the land of cannan the way he told moses to go to Egypt they would have listened... Were the philistines sinners?

As u feel God has the right so to man can decide to have the right
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by donnffd(m): 3:17pm On Dec 04, 2016
OLAADEGBU:
The atheist's dilemma

Your second argument fails...the existence of good and evil doesn't imply an absolute moral law...you are taking a quantum leap from subjectivity into objectivity.

Good and evil doesnt exist outside the realm of humans, we are what give those words meaning because by definition, it is purely subjective on the human experience. So extrapolating that there is an objective law that determines this is like saying there is an objective way of experiencing Red, that is highly flawed.

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by Richirich713: 3:24pm On Dec 04, 2016
mrvitalis:

Lol good also kills the innocent

Lol you don't even considered it objectively wrong to kill the innocent. As I told u b4 God has the authority and right to take life.

mrvitalis:

Am sure if he had told the land of cannan the way he told moses to go to Egypt they would have listened...

Lol U are not omniscient, ur knowledge is limited, u not even sure if the nazi's did anything wrong, ur last comment regarding them implied u don't think they did wrong because they didn't think they were doing anything wrong.

mrvitalis:

Were the philistines sinners?

Yep

mrvitalis:

As u feel God has the right so to man can decide to have the right

Nope, man's not the creator and sustainer of another humans life and existence.

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:27pm On Dec 04, 2016
mrvitalis:


First of all there is nothing like good and bad, it's all about perception which in turn is a factor of environment

What's seems good to me may be a nad thing to u

Does murder seem good to you? undecided
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:29pm On Dec 04, 2016
mrvitalis:


Armed robbery is neither bad nor good it just ur perception towards it

Stealing can be good or bad depending on ur perception

Killing is not bad ooh.. After all we celebrate David killing the Palestinians

How will you feel if a thief pick pockets your wallet? Killing is different from murder you should know the difference. cool
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:31pm On Dec 04, 2016
EyeHateGod:


grin This Op is a Coward...

Is a Coward a good thing or a bad thing? undecided

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:33pm On Dec 04, 2016
Kay17:


Good and evil are value judgments not concrete reality.

When is it ever good to commit murder?
Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:48pm On Dec 04, 2016
donnffd:


Your second argument fails...the existence of good and evil doesn't imply an absolute moral law...you are taking a quantum leap from subjectivity into objectivity.

Good and evil doesnt exist outside the realm of humans, we are what give those words meaning because by definition, it is purely subjective on the human experience. So extrapolating that there is an objective law that determines this is like saying there is an objective way of experiencing Red, that is highly flawed.

Committing murder is evil regardless of culture, society, colour, age, creed or sex. Are you saying that anyone has the right to murder you because they feel it is good?

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by Kay17: 4:53pm On Dec 04, 2016
OLAADEGBU:


When is it ever good to commit murder?

When God instructs you to

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Re: The Atheist's Dilemma by mrvitalis(m): 4:56pm On Dec 04, 2016
OLAADEGBU:


How will you feel if a thief pick pockets your wallet? Killing is different from murder you should know the difference. cool
I will feel the same u will feel if someone promised someone ur property without u knowing

Please tell me what's the difference between killing and murder

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