I created a thread on Nairaland scrutinizing the fallacies of the Koran, and I intend to continue my conversation in this second part. I have imported these from my study notes. I have them in volumes, anyone interested can request for them.

The former thread: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-349654.128.html
(Please note how the Muslim defenders have skilfully evaded the questions till date, and/or have lied, threatened me or spoken even more foolishly in attempts to save face)

[size=13pt]Introduction: Issues in Islam.[/size]

The Qur’an is to Muslims the infallible word of God that they assert has been perfectly preserved on a tablet in heaven. They believe these words were given to Muhammad their prophet by the angel Gabriel. See Qur’an 10:15, 37; 56:77-79; 69:44-48; 85:21-22.  It is unchangeable, inerrant, and many Muslims believe in the implementation of Islamic shariah law because of their view that it is God's unchangeable word.

The Qur’an teaches hand amputation for petty theft (Qur’an 5:38), that a man can own and have sex with slave girls (2:221; 4:3, 24-28; 23:5-6; 33:50-52; 70:30), allows child marriages (65:4-5, see N.J. Dawood's footnote in his translation), and calls for war to be made on Jews and Christians until they are either defeated or subjected to humiliating lowliness (9:29).

Since the Qur’an makes some very high claims to infallibility, then a single error would render the whole dogmatic position as fallacious. When the Qur’an is held up to the scrutiny of science it does not fare very well, because the Qur’an and science give two very descriptions of the earth. Much of the style of the Qur’an also, is not written like symbolic descriptions one would find in the Bible's Psalm or Job about the earth, but is supposedly God's clear revelations to Muhammad for his instruction about the world around him.

But what further complicates this issue is the claim by numerous Muslim apologists that the Qur’an is full of scientific miracles and insights long before they were discovered, which is proof that the Qur’an is God's word. Numerous people have converted to Islam after reading these misleading booklets and videos. Even some secular scientists (or so we are told) have been quoted by the Muslims on their amazement on the 'scientific accuracy' of the Qur’an.   

[size=13pt]Miscellaneous errors.[/size]

The Qur’an has many miscellaneous scientific errors on a number of different issues.

Qur’an 2:261 tells us that every ear of corn has 100 grains. This has not been proven scientifically and is more than obviously false. It brings into question the scientific accuracy of the Qur’an and whether the Qur’an is really addressing scientific issues.

There are many absurdities of talking in the teachings of Muhammad. In the Hadith (traditions of what Muhammad said and did), we find more. We are told that stones talked to Muhammad (Bukhari 1, p. vii), that food talked to Muhammad while he was eating it (Bukhari 4:779) and a tree cried because Muhammad would not preach near it (Bukhari 2:41; 4:783). After Muhammad comforted the tree, it stopped crying (ibid). For this to be true, stones, trees and food would have to have at least lungs, a respiratory system, vocal cords and a tongue. One has to wonder if you could be more absurd than this?

Muslims, have responded to Christians by saying that the Bible is even more absurd where Daniel saw a vision of some talking horns on a beast. There is a difference, however. Daniel was looking at a symbolic, apocalyptic vision that is not meant to be taken literally.

The Qur’an 5:6, says that if there is no water to clean oneself with, you should use sand as a substitute for water. Firstly this is very unhygienic, since sand is full of dust and is unclean. Even if the God of the Qur’an had not been addressing scientific issues, one would wonder why he would not know that sand is unhygienic and dangerous for one's health, thus warning them against it.

[size=13pt]Genetic myths.[/size]

The Qur’an has many genetic myths about how humans are born, etc. The Qur’an 86:6-7 says that semen comes from between a man's backbone and ribs. We know today from biology studies that semen comes from the male Instruments, so once again, a very inaccurate statement coming from the Qur’an.

In the Hadith, Muhammad was given a revelation from the angel Gabriel as to why a child resembles the father sometimes, and other times the mother. The angel told him that it depends on which parent reaches their sexual climax first during conception (Bukhari 4:546). This has been disproved by genetics.

The Qur’an also tells us that the prophet Jesus was created from dust (3:59) in Mary's womb (19:20-23). Why she did not get tuberculosis with the dust in her body seems even more miraculous.

[size=13pt]Miscellaneous errors.[/size]

The Qur’an has other errors of nature, where 51:49, says of life in creation, "And of everything we have created pairs that ye may reflect" (see also 43:12; 50:7). So for all animals they are created in pairs. This is an obvious denial of the fact that numerous species produce asexually, not in pairs.

The Qur’an also contains scientific anachronisms of longevity. The Qur’an 18:25 tells the story of some men who slept in a cave for 309 years. Why they did not die very soon due to dehydration and lack of sunlight is not explained.

The Qur’an 37:143-144 also talks of how the prophet Jonah was swallowed by the fish, this god in the Qur’an says, "Had it not been that he repented and glorified Allah, he would certainly have remained inside the fish till the day of resurrection." We know from scientific, biological studies, that the fish (had it not vomited him up) would have digested Jonah, which would have seen him dead and defecated out of the fish. As for the fish, long before the day of resurrection it would have been well and truly dead and rotted away.

[size=13pt]Sick myths.[/size]

In the Hadith, Muhammad explains the cause of fever and the reason for high body temperatures - they come from the fire of hell (Bukhari 4:483, 486). From today's medical studies, we know the real cause of fevers.

The most common cause of fevers is viral infections like influenza, as seen in a cold or sore throat. Most other fevers (in temperate climates) are from bacteria, which affect the respiratory system, bowels, urinary tract and intestines. Fevers in tropical climates are caused by protozoa (parasites larger than bacteria).

[size=13pt]The earth is spread out like a carpet.[/size]

The Qur’an 20:53, talks of God who has, ", made the earth for you like a carpet spread out, " (see also 71:19). This could hardly be a clearer way of describing the earth as flat. The Qur’an repeatedly refers to how the earth is "wide" or "spread out" (Qur’an 13:3; 15:19; 18:7; 19:6; 21:30; 35:40; 41:10; 43:10; 50:7; 51:48; 55:10; 78:6; 79:30; 88:20), which is not the language used to describe a round sphere.
Heavy mountains hold the earth in place.

Just as one might use some bricks to hold the corners of a sheet on the ground in place on a windy day, so we are told of the role that mountains play in keeping the earth stable. The Qur’an 21:31, "And we have set on earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake, "

So far we are the told that the earth is spread out like a carpet with heavy mountains to hold it in place.

But further evidence opens up that the Qur’an is indeed talking about a flat earth. Qur’an 18:47 says, "On that day we shall remove the mountains, and thou wilt see the earth as a level stretch, " (see also 20:104-107). In other words 18:47 & 20:107 are saying that once the mountains are removed, we will see to the end of the world, which is flat.

[size=13pt]The sky could fall on our heads![/size]

This god also reassures us in the Qur’an 22:65, that "He witholds the sky from falling on the earth except by his leave: for Allah is most kind and most merciful to man." The Qur’an is saying that the sky is a hard opaque object that could fall and injure/kill us. This is certainly how it appeared to ancient people, but not what we know from scientific evidence. Perhaps this god knew that the earth's atmosphere was just thin air and a mixture of gasses. But this would make him into a deceiving god, making an empty threat and telling blatant lies!

The Qur’an 19:90 also says that in regard to blasphemies against Islam, the skies are about to burst. The Qur’an 34:9 this god says of the pagans, "If we wished, we could cause the earth to swallow them up, or cause a piece of the sky to fall upon them" (see also 52:44). The concept of a hard sky is also seen in the way it is described as a canopy (Qur’an 2:22; 21:32; 40:64; 79:28), that will one day be ripped apart (Qur’an 55:37; 69:16; 73:18; 78:19; 82:1).

The Qur’an 70:8 tells us that one day the sky will be like molten brass. And one day the sky will be rolled up (21:104; 39:67).

Then the Qur’an unlocks to us a mystery about how the heavens and earth were made. In a rhetorical challenge to the pagans who rejected Islam, this god says, "Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder?"

So far we are told that the earth is flat, the sky is hard and these two hard, opaque objects were once joined together, but this god pulled them apart, which explains the distance between the earth and sky. This is similar to the creation myths of the Australian Aborigines and New Zealand Maoris.

[size=13pt]The sun moves around the earth.[/size]

The Qur’an talks of the earth in terms as if it were stationary, with the sun and stars moving around the earth (Qur’an 2:258; 21:33; 36:40; 52:49; 53:1). "It is he who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon: all (celestial bodies) swim along, each in it's rounded course" (21:33). We know today that the sun is far bigger than the earth, and is drawing the round earth in it's orbit.

[size=13pt]Where does the sun set?[/size]

Even more conclusive evidence arrives that the Qur’an teaches a flat earth, because the sun is very small (a lot smaller than the earth), and it rises and sets on our flat earth!

The Qur’an 18:83-98 tells the story of a pious Muslim, Zulqarnain (whom many Muslim commentators think is Alexander the Great). One day while traveling along, we find that, "Until, when, he reached the setting of the sun, he found it to set in a spring of murky water" (18:86). So Zulqarnain found the sun sets in a spring of murky water. This is saying that the earth is flat and the sun is very small.

This is an error of astronomical proportions. Shall I belabor the obvious? The sun is far bigger than the earth and if it were any closer we would all burn up. Many Muslims interpret this to mean that he merely looked at the sun from the angle of it setting past a pond of murky water, but this is not what the text says.

Why Zulqarnain did not go blind or suffer serious eye damage is not explained, because he still enough eyesight to travel to the other end of the world. He traveled, "Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom we had provided no covering protection against the sun" (18:90). In other words he found the sun rising on a scorched people, because they were nearer to the sun than anyone else! This is a clear denial of the round earth, where for every morning for everyone on the whole earth, the sun's rays are closer at midday than the morning!

In the Hadith, Muhammad asked some people, ""Do you know where this sun goes?" I said, "Allah and his Apostle know best." He said, It goes and asks permission to prostrate, and it is allowed, and one day it, as if being ordered to return  whence it came, then it will rise from the west."" (Bukhari 9:520). He is erroneously describing the 'rising' and 'setting' of the sun as supernatural phenomena. Not only that, he tells us that the sun actually asks this god for permission to rise and set! Furthermore, in this context, Muhammad was not reciting poetry, but was giving the Muslims clear instruction on how the sun rises and sets.

This concept is further supported by the Qur’an telling us, "And the sun runs into a resting place, " (Qur’an 36:38). We know today from science and astronomy that it is the earth that spins, not the sun.

[size=13pt]Pray facing Mecca.[/size]

The flat-earth concept is seen in the fact that Muslims have to pray five times a day facing Mecca. To pray with you back to Mecca, would be sacrilegious. They are not allowed to even go to the toilet facing Mecca, either (Bukhari 1:146-151). From a flat-earth viewpoint, this makes sense. But we know today, being on a spherical globe, that if you pray facing Mecca, you have your back to Mecca at the same time (and vice-versa).
Mountainous myths.

As if we have not come across enough absurdities already, the Qur’an and Hadith teach some monumental errors of science that any Muslim would be hard-pressed to defend. These scientific errors make a mountain out of a molehill.

In the Hadith, Muhammad referred to the growth of a baby horse: ", as anyone of you brings up a baby horse, till it becomes like a mountain" (Bukhari 9:525B). Muhammad is talking plain nonsense and may have been hallucinating.

We are also told that when Muhammad saw the mountain of Uhud, he said, "This is the mountain that loves and is loved by us" (Bukhari 9:433). Muhammad taught that mountains have feelings, emotions and personality. We know today that they are dead, senseless rock and mineral formations pushed up through continental drift and shaped often by volcanoes.

The Qur’an tells of the mountains as if they were hollow and will one day collapse in Qur’an 19:90; 56:5; Bukhari 9:75.

The Qur’an also has some very shady myths about clouds. The Qur’an 30:24, says that this god breaks the clouds into fragments so that rain can fall. We know from science and meteorology that clouds are actually water droplets formed through evaporation and not hard objects. In 41:11, the clouds also talked to this god and said, "We do come together, in willing obedience."

[size=13pt]Astronomical errors.[/size]

From astronomical studies, we know more about the universe than ever before. There are billions of stars in countless galaxies, of which more are being discovered all the time. The closest start is 4.5 light years away and the furtherest stars and galaxies are countless billions of light years away. Some these stars are very small (such as the white dwarf which is roughly the size of the earth), while others are massively larger than the sun.

If these big stars were closer to earth, they would drag probably our whole solar system into their orbit, and the heat would destroy life on earth. Our very survival depends on these stars keeping their distance.

Let us examine, then, what the Qur’an tells us about the stars and where they are in distance from the earth. We are told that above the earth there are seven heavens/firmaments, each above the other (Qur’an 2:29; 37:6-7; 67:3; 71:15). But we are then told that the sun and the stars are inside the lowest heaven (37:6-7; 67:5; 78:12-13)!

The Qur’an is telling us that the stars are very small, and they are inside the sky, or at least the equivalent distance that the sun is from the earth. The lowest heaven means the closest part to the earth.

Nevertheless, the Qur’an's reference to seven heavens has been hailed by numerous Muslims as a great scientific insight. Harun Yahya, a popular Muslim apologist well known for his creationist, anti-evolution booklets and assertions that the Qur’an has scientific miracles, looks at this. In his Miracles of the Qur’an, he claims that the Qur’an is giving us insightful scientific instruction on what scientists only discovered in the 20th century: that the earth's atmosphere has seven layers (i.e., the stratosphere, ionosphere, exosphere, etc). However, Yahya completely ignores that the Qur’an also says, to be consistent with such a claim, that stars we see are to be found in the lowest levels of our atmosphere!

But we find even more errors regarding stars that ought to be of interest to astronomers. We read that this god has, ", set out constellations in the heavens,  And moreover we have guarded them from every accursed Satan. But any that gains a hearing by stealth, is pursued by a fiery comet, " (Qur’an 15:16-19; see also 37:6-7; 67:5). The Qur’an is telling us that stars and comets chase after evil spirits. It seems strange in any case, that these evil spirits (that Islam teaches are there to cause man mischief) are also millions of light years away, letting themselves be chased by enormous stars and comets, when they could be perfectly safe on earth.

The Qur’an tells us about the prophet Abraham. Like Jews and Christians, they believe he was an historical character. Muslims assert that the Qur’an is the most accurate historical record of all prophets. After telling us that Abraham survived the flood that was in Noah's time (Qur’an 37:79-83), we read that, "Then did he cast a glance at the Stars, and he said, "I am indeed sick at heart." So they turned away from him and departed" (37:88-90). Because Abraham felt sick, the stars all fled from his presence.

[size=13pt]Is the moon made of green cheese?[/size]

The Qur’an says that moon was cut in half (54:1). The Hadith confirms this fairytale, by repeatedly telling us that Muhammad cut the moon in half (Bukhari 4:830-832; 5:208-211; 6:387-390). How Muhammad actually did this, we are not told. Why no one else in the world saw it we are not told. How he managed to cut through hundreds of miles of solid rock we are not told. How it put it together again, we are not told. Personally, I find it easier to believe that a cow jumped over the moon.

[size=13pt]Are their Scientific insights in the Qur’an?[/size]

Harun Yahya confidently shows numerous alleged scientific insights, which annulled by the fact that other parts of the Qur’an contradict him, or he is going beyond what the Qur’anic text is actually saying. He quotes the Qur’an 27:88, which says that just as clouds pass away, so will mountains. Yahya then asserts that the Qur’an is teaching continental drift and mountains being pushed upwards - but this is not what the text is saying.

He quotes the Qur’an 75:4, where this god says in regard to the resurrection, "Nay, We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers." He then thinks that the Qur’an is giving insight into what was discovered centuries later - that we all have unique fingerprints, with no two alike. But is this really what the text is actually saying?

[size=13pt]Can you stomach this?[/size]

In a debate against Christianity, Islamic apologist, Ahmed Deedat asserted that Muslims were the most hygienic people on earth. Perhaps they are today, but their founder was not, and should be considered neither a role model nor an example of being hygienic.

Muhammad said that camel's urine should be drank as medicine for those who are feeling sick (Bukhari 1:234). He sometimes spat on his clothes (1:242). He let people catch his own spit and then rub it on their faces and skin (3:891). To someone else, he ejected a mouthful of water on them (1:188). After washing himself, Muhammad would give his dirty water to his followers to drink and smear themselves with (1:187-188).

[size=13pt]Conclusion.[/size]

The Qur’an gives a challenge to those who would refute it: "Do they not ponder on the Qur’an? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy" (4:82).

As regarding science, as well as history, we find therein much discrepancy. Both contradictions within the Qur’an, as well as scientific errors bring into question that really wrote it. What could not necessarily be refuted in Muhammad's time has been refuted in our age of science and advanced knowledge.

IS NOT THE KORAN OR QUR'AN OR [insert a word here] THEN FILLED WITH SPECIOUS LIES?

[size=18pt]INTELLIGENT RESPONSES ONLY, PLEASE.[/size]

[size=13pt]Research Sources:[/size]

* Abdullah Yusuf Ali, The Meaning of the Illustrious Qur'an. New Dehli, India: Kitabbhavan, 2000.
* Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan, The Translation of the Meanings of Sahih Al-Bukhari (nine volumes). Islamic University, Medina Al-Munawarra. Dar AHYA Us-Sunnah, Al-Nabawiya.
* Harun Yahya, Miracles of the Qur’an, video production. Birmingham, UK: IPC, Islamic Vision.
* William Campbell, The Qur’an and the Bible in light of history and science, 2nd edition. Upper Darby: Middle East Resources, 2002.

[size=13pt]Qur'an Translation Note:[/size]

There are several translations of the Qur’an, most of whom are by Muslims with a certain degree of trying to translate embarrassing passages to cover over errors. For example Yusuf Ali's translation (which I have been using for the article) frequently adds words in brackets, which are not found in the text. Where the Qur’an recommends that men should "beat them" [their wives], Yusuf Ali translates "beat them (lightly)" which is not in the text, etc.

The best translation that is the most open-minded is N.J. Dawood's The Koran, published by Penguin Classics. He has helpful footnotes that explain problems with the Qur’an (aka Koran), and avoids the deceptive bias found in most other translations.

Mr copy and paste, why don't you do us a favour and tell us where you copied it, probably answeringislam.com


science says man evolved from monkey, rat evolve from gabbage, no resurrection etc why do you disbelieve in that part of methodology, be fooling urself, what i ve for you is this

'Say 'with Allah is the perfect proof of arguement, had He so willed, He would indeed ve guided you all' Quran 6:149

I love the game of chess. The King sits back and allows the PAWNS to be pushed to the front in the opening. They are so many, and they are disposable.

Abuzola, you are a pawn on Nairaland, with respect to defending Islam. You seem to be everywhere, answering every post on Islam. Do you have a job in reality? Bring me the Queen let me feast on her. Or maybe even the King, I am ready for checkmate. But no, all I see are knights and bishops (The Seeker, Olabowale et al) who don't even know what they are saying. The knights and bishops stay back, waiting for the middlegame. Im no pawn so I dont have your time.

Now you accuse me of copying and pasting from answeringislam.com. Okay post the link to what I have copied in the above post, or remain an audacious slowpoke of your own choosing. I showed you my research resources yet you mention copy and paste. I don't blame you at all.

COME ON, EVEN ASSUME I COPIED-AND-PASTED. DOES THAT MAKE IT LESS WEIGHTY? IF THE KORAN IS SO-INFALLIBLE, EXPLAIN THE CRAP MOHAMMED HAS FED ALL OF YOU WITH. ITS ALL POSTED ABOVE. AND, SORRY, ITS ALL ABOVE YOUR HEAD ALSO.

Evolution? Rats evolved from gabbage? *Garbage, I assume?* Where did you see that? Darwin's unpublished theory? Abuzola, you are an insult to Nairaland, spreading ignorance and folly like this. Please go and get learned like The Seeker (and probably Olabowale, but he's starting to sound like an illiterate too) and return to make future posts.

Man evolved from monkey? Science never said so. In fact, the "missing link" between man and monkeys is yet to be found, so one cannot conjecture that man evolved from monkeys. Rather, it is a hypothesis that awaits proof. All that I said above, however, have been proven up to centuries ago. In Mohammed's day, illiterates like himself would believe all the junk, but today, nah! Get schooled, its good for you.

And who told you that science does not believe in resurrection? You obviously are very limited in research ability.

Souls are perishing. I have work to do. I will come back in one or two days, hopefully an intelligent answer to my question would have graced this page.

So you never heard of theory of evolution and theory of spontaneous, what a shame


by God who created me you copy and pasted ur jagons.

The reason why i can't engage in that counter arguement is because science changes from time with new discovery e.g the planet, cell, solar etc, all this things are upgraded and changed with the discovery of one thing or the other. Hence science can't be trusted.

Why do you disbelieve in theory of evolution, spontenous, competitive and theory of unitarian

So you never heard of theory of evolution and theory of spontaneous, what a shame


by God who created me you copy and pasted ur jagons.

The reason why i can't engage in that counter arguement is because science changes from time with new discovery e.g the planet, cell, solar etc, all this things are upgraded and changed with the discovery of one thing or the other. Hence science can't be trusted.

Why do you disbelieve in theory of evolution, spontenous, competitive and theory of unitarian if you truely advocate to science.

@ abu - answer d poster's answer or b dumb forever. dont threaten anybody here.islam is a fraud, i vow to start opening at least 5thread a day in order to expose yur retard religion, prep for long range battle here.

GOD bless u poster. dont knw islam is a fraud until i saw yur thread

Luvola, if I show you and mavenbox from the Quran that men are not supposed to beat their wife whereby she feels any physical pain, by at leat 2 or more verses, and an example of a man who was told not beat his wife, but only symbolically show his fulfillment of his prophetic promise of wanting to do so when he was angry, and that the prophet did not beat his wife, hence the example to follow in the meaning of Quran, will you ladies (am assuming hopefully correctly that Luvola is a woman) leave Christianity and test the water of islam?

Now let me tel you my own personal story: my wife is a lot younger than me. A 6 ft woman while am 5/10! i remember one time that I was angry with her and talked to her in anger. the fact that i was angry with her, when she knows that that is not my style even when i disagrees wth her, considering in her mind that she must have really offended me, she began to cry. lets turn this around to beating now. if a wife who is put on peddlestool sees her husband raised his hand in a gesture of annoyance at her based on her unacceptable behavior, she should if she is a person of decency should be ashamed of herself.

Oh Prophet Job (AS), am going to use your statement showing your anger against your wife to show these women (mavenbox and luvola) their lack of true understanding of "human behavior!" I will support it by the fact that prophet Muhammad (AS) never beat his wife. and if i will touch my flower, i will use the most weightless cloth, like a small part of georget scarf to touch her as the symbollical beat her lightly. The Malian Shoyinkee people say a woman does things you should beat her on many times a day, but what you should kill her for at least once a day. in all of these the bambara people say women are mysterious, so why not try to accept her the way she is. the messenger (as), said that women are made from the bent part of the rib, be gentle so that you do not break/damage her. this instruction was so important to the people that when Umar ibn khattab was the Khalifa (RA), the warrior was tamed so much that his wife was insulting him even so that the people under him heard this, and he did not do anything, saying she is my wife, and i have to take everything, the good and the bad from her.

Sigh. This is embarrassing. See these guys derailing the thread again.

What has scientific evidence got to do with beating your wife like a goat? I can never marry a Muslim and that's just it, so I have no concerns with wife-beating fanatics.

In fact, I quit on this thread. Until I see someone reasoning rationally with me. Peace.

P.S. Here's an opportunity for you guys to say whatever you wish on the thread. You can even abuse me if you want, I dont care. As long as my questions are not answered, I will leave you in peace. The worst form of delusion is when the person hallucinating cannot even see him/herself in the picture of the hallucination. He/She may never snap out of it.

hey alhaji ,answer d poster's thread or u leav this thread.period

Shut up silly rat, what good did the thread offer rather than evading my vital challenge to the op, he lacks knowledge and i wonder why he didn't adopt the theories that backlash his faith

Miscellaneous errors.
The Qur’an has many miscellaneous scientific errors on a number of different issues.

I dont have the energy to answer each of your concerns, so I will attach them a bit at a time.

Qur’an 2:261 tells us that every ear of corn has 100 grains. This has not been proven scientifically and is more than obviously false. It brings into question the scientific accuracy of the Qur’an and whether the Qur’an is really addressing scientific issues.

Ebenezer Obey from the Biblical accont of the sower said that the seed on the good soil "o so googun, o so gogogbo, Ogoji, ogoji, adota, adota, ogorin ogorin, " and for those of you who do not speak yoruba, it means 20 20, 30 30, 40 40, 50 50. Now see what your Bible say and get me the exact number and correllate it with any seed's "harvest" as it is the result of good germination. If a seed of corn germinates and has a good harvest, how many ears of corn harvested from the stalk? Why dont we say 7 to 10, and each ear to even have 100 grains is a sign of tremendous reward from a simple thing as a germinated grain of corn! Do you speak Arabic? When the arabs say 7 times or say 70 times, it means it is almost uncountable, unreal, tremendous!

There are many absurdities of talking in the teachings of Muhammad. In the Hadith (traditions of what Muhammad said and did), we find more. We are told that stones talked to Muhammad (Bukhari 1, p. vii), that food talked to Muhammad while he was eating it (Bukhari 4:779) and a tree cried because Muhammad would not preach near it (Bukhari 2:41; 4:783). After Muhammad comforted the tree, it stopped crying (ibid). For this to be true, stones, trees and food would have to have at least lungs, a respiratory system, vocal cords and a tongue. One has to wonder if you could be more absurd than this?

Aburo, young sister, could I remind you of the fact that the Christians and the jews, and am going to leave the Muslims out of it, for a minute, believe that when God wanted to create Adam, the angles were asked to go to the earth and get the amount for his creation. Every angel was stopped from getting the required amount of soil, because the earth begged each of them by God's name. It was then that angel of death was sent, and though the earth begged him, he refused because he needed to carry out the command of his Lord.

Now, the earth spoke many times in this story of the event of getting the ingredient to create Adam. But hold it. Is this the only time things that are not animals spoke? No. The Bible spoke about a bush is talking, where it says that it is is "God", to the listener, Moses. Whats so interesting here is that at the end of this fire, the bush was not consumed, a thing of Miracle allowed to be witnessed by a prophet; Moses!

My dear sister, is Muhammad (AS) to the Muslim not like the prophet Moses (AS) to the Jews? Of course yes, because in Surah Baqarah Islam under Muhammad is what brought me and all muslims from the darkness of ignorance of disbelief (slavery of Ignorance) to freedom in true belief in One Complete God, while Moses took his people from slavery in Egypt to full freedom under him. Let me just tell you, the Jews just as well as the Christians are now in slavery of disbelief, since they are deviants from the ways of the prophets, and rejecting the last prophet! Which of the two Biblical stories is more plausible than the stone, Tree, and others talking to Muhammad (AS), while the tree stump in the Mosque was witnessed by many and the tree and stones were witnessed by even nonmuslims, their reasons for conversions? There used to be a toy in the days that was a dancing rock or a singing rock. Technology can produce this, will anything be impossible for Allah to do to honor His prophet, showing that the prophet is from Him?

Muslims, have responded to Christians by saying that the Bible is even more absurd where Daniel saw a vision of some talking horns on a beast. There is a difference, however. Daniel was looking at a symbolic, apocalyptic vision that is not meant to be taken literally.

Forget Daniel. Lets deal with the whole of the Bible. Is Jesus also was not speaking literally, then tell me the unsymbolic meaning of Mark 12 Verse 29 and then compare it to any verse where Jesus is said to be God. I want you to tell me reality of the Bible. Lets deal with Jesus because I know that Moses is only a prophet and others like Moses know Allah is Creator/God. God is Unseen and no one can see Him and lives' now tell me literal and or symbolic (metaphoric), since Jesus is seen and no one dies because of that?

The Qur’an 5:6, says that if there is no water to clean oneself with, you should use sand as a substitute for water. Firstly this is very unhygienic, since sand is full of dust and is unclean. Even if the God of the Qur’an had not been addressing scientific issues, one would wonder why he would not know that sand is unhygienic and dangerous for one's health, thus warning them against it.

Am going to shock you, woman. Let me ask you, which part of the body that is more dangerous, where risking disease is a possibility, inside of a man or his skin? I will say the inside and it is not uncommon even here in America to see little babies whose immunity is still very weak will put sand/dust and anything that can enter the mouth, in his mouth. and in africa, am sure the african children when crawling in villages put sand/soil/dust in the mouth. No, african woman?

In america the baseball game is played on dirt, and even you ms. hygiene must have ingested sand. No? Finally, we do have a country called Haiti just the twin country to Santo Domingo. Mud pie is a stable meal in Sauto Soulle, I hope I got the spelling right, but it is the worst place on the Northern hemisphere.

So girl, your complaint about using sand to wipe, is not scientifically sound, while the alternative is to leave the body not wiped and unclean, filthy and smelly! Is that you want, boo? Thats not acceptable for any human being, except thiose who are demented. Let me tell you sisi, if I were in a place where I will have to pee, and there is no water to rinse what i must rinse after it, I will use by spit/saliva, instead of soiling my undercloth with droplets of Urine!

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Sigh. This is embarrassing. See these guys derailing the thread again.

What has scientific evidence got to do with beating your wife like a goat? I can never marry a Muslim and that's just it, so I have no concerns with wife-beating fanatics.

Where did I say science or scientific in my post talking about beating or not beating a woman? Now tell me, the Christians who beat their women; girlfriends, wife, where did they copy that behavior considering that they do not read Quran, and what they read is the Bible? I am hoping that you have an inner eye to see?

In fact, I quit on this thread. Until I see someone reasoning rationally with me. Peace.

P.S. Here's an opportunity for you guys to say whatever you wish on the thread. You can even abuse me if you want, I dont care. As long as my questions are not answered, I will leave you in peace. The worst form of delusion is when the person hallucinating cannot even see him/herself in the picture of the hallucination. He/She may never snap out of it.

If the glove fits, wear it, aburo. I hope that you may also see yourself as the person hallucinating here.

alhaji,u are speaking jargons

Genetic myths.

The Qur’an has many genetic myths about how humans are born, etc. The Qur’an 86:6-7 says that semen comes from between a man's backbone and ribs. We know today from biology studies that semen comes from the male Instruments, so once again, a very inaccurate statement coming from the Qur’an.

Please show us the diagram of sexual organs of man and let us hash out the issue of the location! I wager with you that you will see part of it, especially the part where the gushing (accelerating) occurs will be between the loin at the bottom and the rib region at the top (that part is near the bladder where then the speed begins downward) in the process of leaving the body to the woman's body! Please whoever wants to argue should be prepared to show us the path sperm/semen takes; I jokingly call it EULER PATH.

In the Hadith, Muhammad was given a revelation from the angel Gabriel as to why a child resembles the father sometimes, and other times the mother. The angel told him that it depends on which parent reaches their sexual climax first during conception (Bukhari 4:546). This has been disproved by genetics.

Is there an absolute scientific certainty against what the Messenger said, so that you can present it? I am a father of two young men. Both of my boys look exactly like me, even from their back. I will not tell you which one of us came first, since I did not know which intecourse resulted into any pregnancy. I will believe what a prophet say, rather than dismissing it because some scientists who have not collected any data on the subject is telling otherwise!

The Qur’an also tells us that the prophet Jesus was created from dust (3:59) in Mary's womb (19:20-23). Why she did not get tuberculosis with the dust in her body seems even more miraculous.

The Christian says as she buries the dead "dust to dust." Please tell me where dust should even be mentioned, except that we as humans are created from Adam, being his children and Adam is directly created from dust. No? Now then, we leave on the land, whether we are meat eater or vegetarian, everything comes from land, dust. Was Jesus mother Maryam not from the human race? Was jesus not from the human race? I believe that Jesus is the son of human mary and the two geneologies mention men, humans. No?

Maybe I need to start teaching theology at Chapel Hill? And Luvola, how am I speaking Jargons? Pleaase explain, sis, since the accuser has the burden of proof(s).

alh ,am a guy not sist.sho ti gbo

inbox me yur email - olaklives05@yahoo.com @ maven

Y dont u accept christ into yur life @ olabo

God forbid, a god that die on the crossing crying like goat,'father father why did you forsake me'

Isn't this thread suppose to be lock or moved to the muslim section ? No, the mod are too blind to see,

shut up abu, wht ar u doing here. u better go to lebanon and join hisbollah

Luvola- you have silently become a terrorist, were you not once the peacemaker,

anyway your peacemaking will be welcome again

Lovola: Am sorry to call you sis. Sorry bro. Owo ni omode ma nbu fun agbalagba nile yoruba. She e ti gbo sunwon ju she o ti gbo. Egbe eye leye maa nto lori igi.

Miscellaneous errors.

The Qur’an has other errors of nature, where 51:49, says of life in creation, "And of everything we have created pairs that ye may reflect" (see also 43:12; 50:7). So for all animals they are created in pairs. This is an obvious denial of the fact that numerous species produce asexually, not in pairs.

Any asexual specie to you alread have the "pair" organs in itself; male and female. I remember that corn has male and female organs, fertilizing itself and others. Or do we just see a male mango tree, and the other is the female, hence the male mango tree does not fruit? lol.

And Mary, a human being produced a baby singly without a male sperm! And even after you erronously say that she is married to sexual old man carpenter Joseph, you still call her Virgin. Is it your claim that the man did not have sexual intercourse with her, or what?



[quote]The Qur’an also contains scientific anachronisms of longevity. The Qur’an 18:25 tells the story of some men who slept in a cave for 309 years. Why they did not die very soon due to dehydration and lack of sunlight is not explained.

You are the same woman who ignorantly believe that Jesus died and woke up, after a badly calculated 3 days, from Friday evening, through sunday just after dawn? you are the same person who believes that the bone of dead Elijah or Elisha (i dont know which one of them, soo) raised alive a long dead man, while he cant raise himself us, remaining dead? Now Do you think it will be impossible for Allah the Creator of Adam from dush and water to keep a person preserved even in the state of death? Now if Jesus was lifted up to heaven by God, Jesus must pass through all the layers where there is no oxygen, and get extremely cold or extremely hot as his position is relative to the sun. Jesus is not damaged, no? so explain it to me, while you will not even accept the preservation of people as Allah wishes them on earth. But the learned jews are aware of this people, and if you know any ultra orthodox Jew/rabbi, asking him as if you are learning abou Judaism, and not saying here is what Muhammad said, confirm whereby he will deny it!

The Qur’an 37:143-144 also talks of how the prophet Jonah was swallowed by the fish, this god in the Qur’an says, "Had it not been that he repented and glorified Allah, he would certainly have remained inside the fish till the day of resurrection." We know from scientific, biological studies, that the fish (had it not vomited him up) would have digested Jonah, which would have seen him dead and defecated out of the fish. As for the fish, long before the day of resurrection it would have been well and truly dead and rotted away.

When we look at the condition of Jonah, we see that it was a miracle that he survived as long as he did, living breathing undigested. Jonah did not eat through his ordeal, and we did not see how he was able to breath and his body remained as a functional normal human body, alive throughout. Whales if they swallow anything alive, will it remain alive more than few moments after it, and 3 days will have to be consider a phenom. We see that when the whale attacks shark, it does it by killing it first. when it attacks seal, it kills it, turning the water surface red with blood! My observation, again about Jonah is that Allah saved him and if He had wished that he remained alive inside the belly of the whale, it would not have been difficult, considering that it is He Who created all things and have full control over life and death. Let me exite you, Melchezdekes the king of Salem was without father or mother and no one knows his origin and no one knows his beginning or his end. All of these are from your Bible. If God is able to create things and keep them as much as He Wills, why is it impossible for you people to see that God is capable of keeping Jonah and his host whale alive, if that was determined so?

But wait; Allah says that the body of red sea drowning at the time of Exodus shall be preserved for the later generations of man to see. today, the body of this pharaoh (laana tullah) is the least degraded of all corpses seen based on how long it has existed, and the most cared for. In view of this then, Allah would have made it possible, a way to keep Jonah and Whale alive, but Jonah repented, praising his Lord even inside the whale, in the mist of the disolving acid, liquids, alive through it all. And interestingly, Abraham was thrown in the fire and he did not get burnt to crisp! Can you explain how?

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Sick myths.

In the Hadith, Muhammad explains the cause of fever and the reason for high body temperatures - they come from the fire of hell (Bukhari 4:483, 486). From today's medical studies, we know the real cause of fevers.

The most common cause of fevers is viral infections like influenza, as seen in a cold or sore throat. Most other fevers (in temperate climates) are from bacteria, which affect the respiratory system, bowels, urinary tract and intestines. Fevers in tropical climates are caused by protozoa (parasites larger than bacteria).

What causes the cause that causes the cause that causes the cause that cause, etc Fever? Even from a layman point of view, I know that fever is at least assumed to be a sort of difficulty and not pleasure on the body and soul of the sufferer! It would not have to be one of the things from Paradise. Am sure if Jesus have said it, you would have absorbed it without any second thought; hook line and sinker!

@Olabowale: Finally, I am seeing responses. Im glad. Before I proceed, you refer to my theology notes as having been plagiarized from anti-Islamic websites. Now tell me, even if the questions were taken from such places, am I not responding to them in my own way? Am I not thoroughly reasoning out with your posts? I will indeed continue to do so in the following.

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It doesn't take a genius to see that what you wrote about the 100 grains of corn is not admissible in ANY intellectual society. Not even primary school pupils can be fooled by such an explanation, you may need to try again. And to cap it all, you finish your argument by admitting that 7 times or 70 times means tremendous and uncountable? What has 7 or 70 got to do with 100? When the bible speaks of harvest in the Gospels in the parable of the Sower, what is said (accurately) is 100-FOLD. HUNDRED-FOLD does not mean 100. It means complete and satiated. It means it is FILLED TO THE FULLEST. Please revise your argument or accept defeat (I know that may be hard, accepting defeat from a woman. Its called chauvinism).

For the record, I am neither Aburo nor young sister, and I will love if you refrain from using such familiar and/or endearing words while we have these fundamental discussions.

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As for your mention of the creation of the earth and the angel of death, you must think I don't know anything, because CHRISTIANS DO NOT BELIEVE IT, JEWS DO NOT BELIEVE IT. THE EARTH DID NOT SPEAK ONCE IN THE BIBLE OR ANY JEWISH HOLY BOOK. What you refer to are Islamic Myths about the BROKEN EARTH, saying the various soil types produced yielded the VARYING COLORS AND NATURES OF MAN. With my own personal revelation of God's Word, I understand that when God scattered them at Babel, they went far and wide all over the earth and those who went to hotter regions progressively got a deeper tan than those who dwelt more in caves in temperate regions and those who (possibly) lived underground. That is how to comprehend faith and archaeology at the same time. Not by talking stupid myths about the earth resisting an angel, who had the INSTRUCTION OF GOD.

GOD DOES NOT SAY SOMETHING, AND THEN HIS OWN CREATION WILL HINDER IT. IT NEVER HAPPENS. HOW CAN GOD TALK AND SEND HIS ANGEL AND HIS CREATION, THE EARTH, WILL STOP IT AND BEG? THAT'S UTTER NONSENSE. THE ONLY CREATION THAT DEMANDS, AND RECEIVES, GOD'S AUDIENCE AND HAS THE ABILITY TO PLEA FOR MERCY, IS MAN. BECAUSE MAN WAS MADE IN GOD'S IMAGE. For example, Man can talk to his child because the child was made in his image. A man wants to laughter a goat for a Muslim festival and the goat starts pleading. Will he hear? No! Why? Because it was not made in his image!

The only time Jesus, as 100% man and 100% God, wanted to eat from a fig tree and it didn't produce fruit because it (really) was not its season, it dried up in less than a day. It didn't cost the fig tree anything to have produced fruit just for its creator, Jesus' sake (it would have been a miracle), but it chose to be resistant, and it died. If the Earth truly refused God's command through his angel, it would have ceased to exist. Then we wouldn't be here at all, you wouldn't be able to be on Nairaland spreading lies. He wouldn't have had to send an "Angel of Death" to enforce HIS OWN WORD. Has God ever said anything and something, let alone an inanimate thing, stop Him? if so, your god is not God because the thought is numskull-ish.

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And now you mention that a burning bush spoke. That is the result of half-baked knowledge due to hearsay. This is the extract from the KJV Bible
Exo 3:1  Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.
Exo 3:2  And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
Exo 3:3  And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
Exo 3:4  And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.
Exo 3:5  And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.
Exo 3:6  Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

GOD CALLED OUT UNTO HIM, VIA THE ANGEL OF THE LORD, HOWBEIT THAT MOSES WAS BESIDE A BURNING BUSH. DOES THAT MEAN THE BURNING BUSH SPOKE? PLEASE HIGHLIGHT WHERE THE BURNING BUSH SPOKE IN THE ABOVE VERSE! THE BURNING BUSH WAS TO CATCH HIS ATTENTION, TO SEE IF HE WAS A KIND OF PERSON WHO COULD INVESTIGATE THE SPIRITUAL (he wanted to check WHY the bush was not consumed), which was a prerequisite for the mission he had ahead, where he would deal with many Spiritual things. IT WAS A TEST OF HIS FORTITUDE AND ZEAL WITH THE SPIRITUAL. Dont tell me the burning bush spoke to him, because that is rather an insult. As for Mohammed, whether inanimate objects danced with him or they had a party together or not, these story are very specious, and appears to be another attempt at making him sound like a prophet. Isn't it amazing that those things did not happen in public view where everyone would have seen them happen? Jesus' spectacular scenes were always witnessed by many, and there are even many things he did that were not recorded for the sake of space.

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Mar 12:29  And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

And now I will show you that Jesus was not speaking with water in his mouth, he was not speaking figuratively. He was expressing the incontrovertible truth.

(The Message version, so you can understand better)
Joh 10:29  The Father who put them under my care is so much greater than the Destroyer and Thief. No one could ever get them away from him.
Joh 10:30 I and the Father are one heart and mind."
Joh 10:31  Again the Jews picked up rocks to throw at him.
Joh 10:32  Jesus said, "I have made a present to you from the Father of a great many good actions. For which of these acts do you stone me?"
Joh 10:33  The Jews said, "We're not stoning you for anything good you did, but for what you said--[size=13pt]this blasphemy of calling yourself God[/size]."
Joh 10:34 Jesus said, "I'm only quoting your inspired Scriptures, where God said, 'I tell you--you are gods.'
Joh 10:35  If God called your ancestors 'gods'--and Scripture doesn't lie--
Joh 10:36  why do you yell, 'Blasphemer! Blasphemer!' at the unique One the Father consecrated and sent into the world, just because I said, 'I am the Son of God'?
Joh 10:37  If I don't do the things my Father does, well and good; don't believe me.
Joh 10:38  But if I am doing them, put aside for a moment what you hear me say about myself and just take the evidence of the actions that are right before your eyes. Then perhaps things will come together for you, and you'll see that not only are we doing the same thing, [size=13pt]we are the same--Father and Son[/size]. He is in me; I am in him."
Joh 10:39  They tried yet again to arrest him, but he slipped through their fingers.

And for the sake of reference, lest you squeal foul, I will paste the KJV translation underneath

[KJV]
Joh 10:29  My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Joh 10:31  Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Joh 10:32  Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:33  The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
Joh 10:34  Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
Joh 10:35  If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Joh 10:36  Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Joh 10:37  If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
Joh 10:38  But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
Joh 10:39  Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

In other words, if gods like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, David and Daniel can without any argument be likened to gods (who could indwell a man if they so chose) like Sango, Orunmila, Amadioha, Buddha and the allah that Muslims worship, why should the people be shocked that God was now with them also in man's flesh? Jesus presented them with a simple explanation: If He was doing everything that the God they knew was doing, by prophecy, then that means his SPIRITUAL SIGNATURE is the same. If the people were SPIRITUALLY ILLITERATE   AND COULD NOT SEE THE SIGNATURE, at least they could see the THUMBPRINT (the works that he was doing).

Sorry, Moses was not ONLY a prophet. He was a god unto Pharaoh because he broke his back and the tyrant Pharaoh wept like a baby.
Exo 7:1  And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
The same way God allowed allah, a spirit, to exist until the final destruction. Then allah, possessing Mohammed, by various lies has become a god unto you and you follow him blindly. It's time to turn around.

Only GOD has the power to grant gods power, if he so pleases. The same way he granted Moses power and sent him is the way Jesus sent his disciples with power and illiterate as they were, they became gods unto the earth and turned the world upside down and many sought to worship them, calling them the names of their own local greek gods, but they declined such worship.

Please get your facts straight. Jesus IS God. The same way you are a father to your children (assuming you have any) and a husband to your wife (assuming she exists) and also a worker at a certain company (assuming you have a job) IS THE SAME WAY THAT JESUS, THE RUACH (the Holy Spirit) AND THE FATHER ARE GOD. ALL AT ONCE. Saying you dont understand how God was in Heaven and Christ came down to earth is like saying that How come Olabowale goes to work, I thought he had a child? But wait o! He cant have a child, because he is a husband! That's rather dumb, I must say. The word "Trinity" may not exist in the Bible, but it doesnt negate the truth it holds. TRINITY IS JUST A WORD. ANY OTHER WORD COULD HAVE BEEN USED TO CONVEY THE TRUTH.
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Your point about cleaning with sand is very insulting to science, and a general hygiene quotient. MOHAMMED SAID IT WAS FOR CLEANING. And now you refer to children who don't know better, playing in the sand; or baseball, being played in the dust (to cushion them and prevent them from being harmed on the field); and you finish with unfortunate souls in the Haitian slums eating mud pie because they cannot afford anything better and the economy has made them so wretched that they have to stay alive by all means, eating anything at all costs just to stay alive.

What does all of this have to do with cleaning your body?

And when you use your spit or saliva to clean up, I guess you will wipe the filthy hands on your undergarments, or use it to stain the door on your way out, and spread diseases to everyone that you shake hands with afterwards. You would have effectively increased the contaminated surface area from just the surface area of your urinary organ, and onto your hands, and the saliva you add into the mix will ensure that the maximum surface area is utilized, since more fluid is added in the combination. That is mere folly.

Why not use sand to clean up when you finish in the toilet?  

Please, pray, tell me, how does any of this have to do with using SAND TO CLEAN your body? Once again, you're trying to confuse us, but I must warn you, I believe I am quite intelligent so you can't sway or confuse me with lengthy talk. TELL ME, HOW IS SAND HEALTHY ENOUGH TO CLEAN THE BODY? IT IS A KNOWN MEDIUM OF TRANSMITTING TUBERCULOSIS AND OTHER SUCH DIESASES.

*Please do not refer to me ever again as boo. Thanks.*

Some men beat their wives. I have heard of Christians, Humanists, Atheists, Buddhists, Ifa Worshippers, Amadioha fans, and Muslims that beat their wives. Beating your wife has nothing to do with your belief in a Deity or otherwise. It has to do with insecurity, and chauvinism, and a low self esteem, and, well, insanity. But I do not know of any other religion or way of life where THEIR GOD INSTRUCTS THEM TO BEAT THE WOMAN AND FORCE HER TO COME UNDER SUBMISSION, RATHER THAN LETTING LOVE TAKE CONTROL NO MATTER WHAT, except in the false teachings of Islam. Correct me if I am wrong, people.

And in summary, please people, see what I and Olabowale have discussed on this thread and tell us who is hallucinating.



Arguing with you guys is a serious waste of time, but I know there are others reading this thread, so I will allow them see the folly of your false claims.

@Abuzola: As far as I am concerned, you don't even exist on this thread. Discussing things with you may have a negative effect on my IQ.

@Luvola: Thanks bro. I will mail you in a bit. Let me respond to Olabowale first of all.

The earth is spread out like a carpet.

The Qur’an 20:53, talks of God who has, ", made the earth for you like a carpet spread out, " (see also 71:19). This could hardly be a clearer way of describing the earth as flat. The Qur’an repeatedly refers to how the earth is "wide" or "spread out" (Qur’an 13:3; 15:19; 18:7; 19:6; 21:30; 35:40; 41:10; 43:10; 50:7; 51:48; 55:10; 78:6; 79:30; 88:20), which is not the language used to describe a round sphere.
Heavy mountains hold the earth in place.

No it does not mean that the earth is flat, and carpet takes the shape of whatever it covers or what it is on top! Disbelievers always search for ways to lie on Islam!

Just as one might use some bricks to hold the corners of a sheet on the ground in place on a windy day, so we are told of the role that mountains play in keeping the earth stable. The Qur’an 21:31, "And we have set on earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake, "

So far we are the told that the earth is spread out like a carpet with heavy mountains to hold it in place.

Is the flat thing the only objects can be held down from being shaking etc? I am going to remind you of inflated baloons, without a string to tie it to a stabilizer.

But further evidence opens up that the Qur’an is indeed talking about a flat earth. Qur’an 18:47 says, "On that day we shall remove the mountains, and thou wilt see the earth as a level stretch, " (see also 20:104-107). In other words 18:47 & 20:107 are saying that once the mountains are removed, we will see to the end of the world, which is flat.

This is your warped opinion, because of your mind. A first year geography of tying long string to 2 sticks of equal height at a relatively good distance, say 50 yards, will let you see that the earth is naturally curve, and you know about vanishing point, the human sight can go so far, and cant see further than the horizon. I remember that i drove through that Mississippi river bridge in louisiana, and the big sky has its wide view, and vanishing horizon. In a neighborhood, if a building is demolished the soil or ground of the neighborhood will retain the original topography before the building was even erected. By the way, Allah says in the Quran that the mountains are stabilizers of the shaking earth! The carpet is what you traverse on, so is the whole earth!

@maven, i am absolutely sure that you don't ve answer to why christianity shun scientific theories. You are just confused. Haha, You may dwell in ur doom religion

@Olabowale: I proceed.

THE PATH OF FLOW OF THE SPERM
Okay I got tired of waiting for a medical doctor to show face, so let me tell you what I found (I had to search on google).

THE CHILDBIRTH FALLACY
Lies! The child will resemble either or both parents depending on the inheritance of genes from both the sperm and the egg.
The egg is going to be the same regardless of who orgasms first because they are released at regular intervals so the mother's half of the genetic input depends only on when the conception takes place. As for the sperm, I've never heard of and neither can I conceive of how orgasm would in any way affect which sperm reaches the egg first. Any selective factors for sperm are fairly consistent and have nothing to do with who orgasms first.
That is pure nonsense, and I am not carried away yet. Try again.

DUSTY WOMB?
The same Koran that says Jesus was formed from dust in Mary's womb. Scientifically, tell me how dust, a known medium for tuberculosis and diarrhea, did not spread those diseases to the mother and child. That book is full of stupid lies, even my 4 year old neighbour, notorious for lies, can do better than all this. [size=13pt]I am surprised the Koran did not say cobwebs also grew in Mary's womb because she was a virgin.[/size] Jesus was formed from an egg in Mary's womb, the NORMAL way children are formed. The only supernatural thing was that the egg was fertilized "automatically" and that is the only supernatural thing. Everything else was a NORMAL CONCEPTION. And the reason is plain, the seed (sperm) of Adam was corrupted and cursed at the fall. The sperm is what contains the life that kickstarts new life in reproduction. So for Jesus to be pure and free from the blame of Adam, Jesus' egg had to be fertilized by a supernatural sperm, the WORD OF GOD. And that was what happened. Next!

@Abuzola: I wonder why I am responding to you right now. I think I need to make it clear to you that it was because of the prostitute that you visited two days ago (you can say that you didn't), that's why Jesus was forsaken on the cross. God hates sin IN ONE LIFE, now imagine when ONE MAN now carries ALL THE SIN THAT HAS EVER BEEN COMMITTED, IS BEING COMMITTED, AND WILL FOREVER BE COMMITTED, on himself AT ONE TIME. God loved his son so much, and yet he had to look away for Jesus' own good, and for our good. For the first time in His life, the son was spiritually separated from the father, and he felt the pain. It was better for God to look away, else one of two things would have happened. He would either have to take Christ off the cross and remove all the sin from him (which was not the plan), or else he would have to ignore him because God cannot stand sin. THAT WAS THE PLAN. GET IT INTO YOUR HEAD!

[size=15pt]I know that Abuzola may not get it, so I will explain with an example: imagine your son (if you have any) is going to a school where measles, and polio and whooping cough are rampant and they may spread, and you need to take him for immunization. Then the child sees the doctor coming with a needle and he starts crying that you hate him, asking why you are allowing the doctor to wound him. And then you need to look away in tears because you know that it is for his own good. Then his Muslim friend standing beside the bed starts saying that you are evil, that you are wicked. But in the end, the child is immunized. As for the friend (im talking to you), he will perish in diseases if he does not get immunized (get Christ). A word is enough for the wise.[/size]

@ olabowale - agbalagba to ba rire fin dandan ni ki omode rinfin. i think u ar a means to peace here,u continue fueling d crisis here. control yur rat (abu) to stop his retard behaviour

Did you even hear urself, God died to redeem our sins ? What kind of God is that, he isn't omnipotent, my God does not need to die inorder to forgive me