tintingz:
Before I use to defend all hadiths with passion but I have realized some hadith cannot be of Prophet(SA) saying.

Imagine someone like Mufti Menk gave such a speech in media:

I was thinking of ordering a man to give the iqaamah, then I would order a man to lead the people in prayer, and I would go with some men carrying bundles of firewood, to people who do not attend the prayer in congregation, and I would burn their houses down around them.”

Doesn't this sound like a threats? A reasonable person will be concerned.

Na so I mistakenly heard one sheikh saying Prophet Muhammad (SA) never yawn through out his life time.

tintingz:
Before I use to defend all hadiths with passion but I have realized some hadith cannot be of Prophet(SA) saying.

Imagine someone like Mufti Menk gave such a speech in media:

I was thinking of ordering a man to give the iqaamah, then I would order a man to lead the people in prayer, and I would go with some men carrying bundles of firewood, to people who do not attend the prayer in congregation, and I would burn their houses down around them.”

Doesn't this sound like a threats? A reasonable person will be concerned.

Na so I mistakenly heard one sheikh saying Prophet Muhammad (SA) never yawn through out his life time.

Rilwayne001:


Lol, you cannot use your common sense in matters of religion, only scholars have the right to grade some hadeeth as unreasonable, therefore the above point is discarded.

tintingz:
Lol. Me sef I be scholar.

tintingz:
Lol. Me sef I be scholar.

FriendChoice:


Can you give proof the Hadith is not from the prophet.

And the hadith is just showing you how sallah is that important.

For any person to kill a Mumineen its better you destroy ka'aba. Its telling you the importance of Ka'aba

Some things are only deterrent.

We should be careful of Hadith we have no knowledge on.

Rilwayne001:
On a lighter note, this particular hadith is the type that terrorist hijack to perpetuate their evil desire. Next thing they just start burning people's house and quoting the hadith substantiate it.

The matter tire person gan sef

lexiconkabir:
The two ignoramuses who knows nothing about the deen keep speaking on a hadeeth that has already been explained, but in the bid to keep playing with the deen of Allaah, they keep wallowing in their pathetic ignorance, I pray Allaah guide you both(Rilawayne001 and tintingz).

Allaah says;

“If you ask them (about this), they declare: ‘We were only talking idly and joking.’ Say: ‘Was it at Allaah, and His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and His Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) that you were mocking?

Make no excuse; you have disbelieved after you had believed. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you because they were Mujrimoon (disbelievers, polytheists, sinners, criminals, etc.)”

tintingz:
Is there any proof the said hadith is the Prophet(SA) word or was He the writer?

Do you believe yawning is from shaitan?

Sallah in mosque is important we got the message, we don't need to read how people will be burn on earth like that of hell fire.

tintingz:
Oga, Do you believe the Prophet didn't yawn through out his life time?

tintingz:
The Sunnis have their hadith and the shias have their hadiths they follow, who is the hypocrite here?

FriendChoice:


Are you shia or are you Sunni. Which Hadith do you follow. So that we may give you excuse that you don't follow Hadith from so so person.

FriendChoice:


The Hadith has it authenticity chain from this to this..... Prove it wrong.

Not the topic of discussion.

They should also tell you stealing is bad and keep mute on it punishment that may result to caughting of hand.

Like I say becareful challenging the words of the prophet. You are not learned to challenge Hadith. Tell us your position in authenticating a Hadith.

lexiconkabir:


it has been explained severally to this brother by sino that the shia hadeeth are rejected not because they are shias, but because all their hadeeth is daaeef, according to classical shia scholars themselves, Sunnis on the other hand also reject some hadeeth in sunni sources don't they? as far a hadeeth is daeef it is rejected be it shia or Sunni sources.

FriendChoice:


Are you shia or are you Sunni. Which Hadith do you follow. So that we may give you excuse that you don't follow Hadith from so so person.

snapscore:
Documentation of the sunnah began during the time of the prophet (peace and blessing be upon him).

lexiconkabir:

the Qur'an they read today came from the same sources as the hadeeth,

tintingz:
I'm none of those sects.

tintingz:
@ FriendChoice

# Yes the best opinion is Prophet and companion's, but who are the people interpreting, explaining the Quran and hadith to us, are they not the scholars? Why are opinions differ? Scholars don't just use their own opinion they make use of the hadith. I have given you example of namaz prayer, there are hadith that says the Prophet (SA) clasp his hand to his chest and their hadith that says He didn't.
The sunni accepted the latter while shia accepted the former. The turning of head in salaam(in namaz), the rolling of finger in tashahhud why is it accepted by some and dislike by some.

The sunni believe in a school of thought while Shia believe in theirs, this was a conflict of the past centuries.

I'm born a sunni Muslim, my parents are sunni Muslims, I live in a sunni society so I know what I'm saying.

# I pointed out your personality because I already know your sect, I wanted you to say it yourself. Don't worry I know you're a sunni Muslim.
Majority Muslims here are sunni, you don't need to act two-face here.


# I know why you called Shia's kafirun, because of disagreement and hatred they have for some sahabas(RA), I don't need to create a thread for that. Kafirun means disbeliever.. If you called shias disbeliever because of some past conflict, Are boko haram, ISIS, AL qaeeda kafirun?
Like have said I'm born into a sunni family, I'm not defending non of these sects.

# Sorry for asking you the shirk question.
Sorry for asking you another question (you can ignore it). Since shirk leads to bidah and you have answered that you don't associate anything with Allah(SWT), do you believe you are bid'ah free as well?

# Do you believe in the 12 Imams of Shia's?

FriendChoice:


Advice to you. When you hold discussions with me always remember what you write or say. I don't easily forget.

Now read the below colored bolded post of yours where you claim to be in a sect....

You made this post on 30 October just two months ago.

tintingz:
Oh because I didn't say I'm an ex-sunni Muslim?

I don't go about calling myself Sunni Muslim because I'm not anymore, I don't tag myself to a sect.

Nowhere I claim to be Sunni, what i posted was just a brief about my background as the thread was talking about Sunni and Shia namaz differences.

FriendChoice:


OK. You're now a follower of Qur'an only and any other hadith that suits your understanding and thinking? Regardless of it authenticity or otherwise. As far as you feel this is good then it is, since you claim to be a scholar of Hadith. ?

Hypotheticaly let's assume you're a scholar. Is that how scholars invalided Hadith Based on what they think? Are Muslims atheist?

tintingz:
Hadiths that harmonize with the Quran is what I follow. Some Hadiths doesn't e.g Quran said lashes for adulterers, Hadiths said stoning.

There is nothing like Muslim atheist as it is conflicting, but there are rational Muslims.

FriendChoice:


The Qur'an has never prescribe lashes for adulterers.

Show us the place if indeed you're truthful. The Qur'an speaks on fornicator not adulterer. True of False?


Then the Hadith speaks on adulterer

So how those the Hadith contradict Qur'an

Learn your Qur'an before you put yourself into trap. You just lied against Qur'an (Allah).


* Let's take abulution.

O you who believe, when you rise to observe the Salat, you shall wash your faces and your arms to the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles." 5:6

Is that how you perform abulution? Is that how the Hadith explain wudu?


Tell us how you perform wudu. The Hadith of wudu contradict the verse of Qur'an. Which one do u follow washing the arms, rinsing mouth and nose OR the Qur'an verse of washing the face.

lexiconkabir:
The two ignoramuses who knows nothing about the deen keep speaking on a hadeeth that has already been explained, but in the bid to keep playing with the deen of Allaah, they keep wallowing in their pathetic ignorance, I pray Allaah guide you both(Rilawayne001 and tintingz).

Rilwayne001:


Mr Albert Einstein, please believe whatever that makes you sleep and let me hold on to that makes me sleep too. Live and let's leave, that should be your mantra and not hate. Whatever you think you don't know, try to explain and if people don't accept your explanation, then keep shut and mind your fucking business instead of insulting them.

You see, i said it the other day that your kind will physically attack anyone that dare have a different view of things the hold. Biko, allow flow of LOVE OF OTHER PEOPLE irrespective of whatever they believe — in your life. There's no compulsion in religion.

Enough said

mmsen:


“I was thinking of ordering a man to give the iqaamah, then I would order a man to lead the people in prayer, and I would go with some men carrying bundles of firewood, to people who do not attend the prayer in congregation, and I would burn their houses down around them.”

I was doing your prophet a favor by not quoting the hadith in full because instead of sounding like a blood thirsty control-freak the full version makes the author sound like a confused blood thirsty maniac.

Farmerforlife:


Your translation is erroneous. Correct it.

lexiconkabir:

I never knew calling one "ignorant" is an insult,

perhaps it's the truth? ofcourse it is!!

so many swearing words,

well you can burst like a balloon for all i care, anyway,

when you don't know a particular thing about the deen of Allaah, keep mute instead of playing with the religion of Allaah, that's the important thing here.