rabex123:

Do u know how much it costs. Even Lagos state is avoiding solar energy like a plague

Lagos cannot do solar because of rain. Sokoto can do solar because of the abundance of sun light

kettykin:


Lagos cannot do solar because of rain. Sokoto can do solar because of the abundance of sun light

Are you telling me that Lagos has more rain than countries like Denmark and most of those Scandinavian countries

Sometimes back I read of how India was able to generater solar power at a rate of N20/KWh. I use N320/$ conversion rate then. If I use N480/$ to be on a safer side that's still N30/KWh. And it was S-O-L-A-R for God's sake.

Blue3k:


No it wouldnt. Solar power is only help in the energy mix. Second solar is more expensive and power Is intermittent. If you look at various charts solar would offer a few 7 MW h per sq mt.

Btw Niger Delta should be happy to help them. Just a reminder we're supposed to be on eachothers team. Then there is also Niger Rupblic as an option. Which they'll gladly take opportunity since we're interconnected with they're grid in multiple zones.

My main gripe with article is how this would bring state to near constant power. Ikot Abasi grid produces 100 MW and didn't bring akwa ibom to near 24 hrs. Then there's also bigger independent power plants in all over Southern Nigeria with higher capacities even during worst bombing. They don't get those sort of results.

I guess you must have heard of inter dependencies and not over dependencies...

The Niger delta has been bled so bad by the whole country...so unfair...


And with all that we get little or no respect...

Emekamex:
33000 litres of diesel daily? Is this a power plant or a big generator?

Given that Nigeria is yet to have a functional refinery, importing huge amount of diesel to fuel the plant is a massive waste of forex.

Lmao

rabex123:

Are you telling me that Lagos has more rain than countries like Denmark and most of those Scandinavian countries

Go check it out, sokoto has more chances of running a successful solar power plant and generate more electricity than Lagos.

Blue3k:


No it wouldnt. Solar power is only help in the energy mix. Second solar is more expensive and power Is intermittent. If you look at various charts solar would offer a few 7 MW h per sq mt.

Btw Niger Delta should be happy to help them. Just a reminder we're supposed to be on eachothers team. Then there is also Niger Rupblic as an option. Which they'll gladly take opportunity since we're interconnected with they're grid in multiple zones.

My main gripe with article is how this would bring state to near constant power. Ikot Abasi grid produces 100 MW and didn't bring akwa ibom to near 24 hrs. Then there's also bigger independent power plants in all over Southern Nigeria with higher capacities even during worst bombing. They don't get those sort of results.

You need to tone down your obsession with power topics you hardly understand enough.
Go research the average cost of solar power in India, then ask yourself what's the sense in Sokoto state generating power at N170/KWh.

kettykin:


Lagos cannot do solar because of rain. Sokoto can do solar because of the abundance of sun light

The real reason Lagos shouldn't do solar is the space required and not rain factor. What solar panels need is presense of sunlight and not absense of rainfail or heavy rainfail.

kettykin:


Go check it out, sokoto has more chances of running a successful solar power plant and generate more electricity than Lagos.

That's cos Sokoto has space in abundance and marginally higher sunshine than Lagos. Lagos can strike a deal with Ogun state - same way it did with Kebbi to produce Lake Rice, to get much needed space for solar panel field.

Blue3k:


No it wouldnt. Solar power is only help in the energy mix. Second solar is more expensive and power Is intermittent. If you look at various charts solar would offer a few 7 MW h per sq mt.

Btw Niger Delta should be happy to help them. Just a reminder we're supposed to be on eachothers team. Then there is also Niger Rupblic as an option. Which they'll gladly take opportunity since we're interconnected with they're grid in multiple zones.

My main gripe with article is how this would bring state to near constant power. Ikot Abasi grid produces 100 MW and didn't bring akwa ibom to near 24 hrs. Then there's also bigger independent power plants in all over Southern Nigeria with higher capacities even during worst bombing. They don't get those sort of results.

Are you thinking at all. How is solar more expensive. You guys have this tunnel vision than warps your thinking. Look at the big picture my friend. Solar is only expensive to deploy. It costs very little to maintain and in a region with lesser than average rainfall/cloud cover it should be a no brainer. Diesel on the other hand is derived from crude oil, mined 1500 kilometres away in Indian territory and the nearest refinery is 500 kilometres away in Kaduna and is totally moribund. Does this make sound economic sense when you know that anything called 'turbines' absolutely hates the turning off and on an epileptic supply of diesel will cause, so expect the plant to have serious maintainance issues going forward. To overcome this they will inevitably have to source diesel from 'suppliers' whose qualities cannot be guaranteed and whose prices will not be stable. As we speak diesel in Abuja is N250, not the 205 quoted. The instability of prices will cost the government millions in subsidies to maintain that N178 electricity price. God on the other hand gives sunlight on time, 6am everyday at no cost. Is this an argument. Pally, think again.

I commend the government for taking the initiative to be power independent but it should have not made the mistakes the feds are making which are two fold.

One, invest in transmission and distribution first. Build your own infrastructure independent of Transysco or the various Discos so you are not injecting into the so called 'national grid' which is a bottomless pit of corruption and mismanagement. Instead direct the power you generate to specific targets: industrial clusters which can afford the high tarrif and can be monitored for payment (i.e as opposed to individual consumers who are more likely to default, whine endlessly and end up bypassing metering), and intervention agencies such as medicare, fire, security.

Two, invest in an energy mix, not dumping all your eggs into the oily basket or investing in gasses you cannot see or hold with your hand. So the plant they have built should be a backup for when for instance solar is offline, at night or at gloom, not the major source of energy so you can afford to store diesel and thus gives you the market leverage to get best prices and overcome supply constraints. Ayade of Cross-River did it last year, a small 4 megawatt diesel plant but almost immediately saw how terribly expensive it was to run particularly when it was situated in his local government that produces next to nothing in terms of industrialization. It is a double edged sword my friend and most governments are holding the sharper edge.

preacherz:
I am amazed at this mile stone achieved by a state Government.

How I wish SE states can learn from this an reduce their dependence on the FG for every thing.

Congratulations to Sokoto State Government on this achievement.

I'd rather SE don't venture into this nonsense generator plan.



Btw you are not from SE because igbos don't depend on FG

Sibrah:
You need to tone down your obsession with power topics you hardly understand enough.
Go research the average cost of solar power in India, then ask yourself what's the sense in Sokoto state generating power at N170/KWh.

Thank you. The guy has had more than enough baloney for Christmas. Solar in Sokoto is a no brainer. Back it up with piston driven diesels (not turbines) at night when consumption is typically lower anyway. Yes solar takes up space but it is not entirely wasted space. You can always elevate your panels and get back your land for whatever can be done in the shade. That N170/KWh will then be used to recoup costs and will last for only a few years then you have a plant that will charge 10/KWh for the next 50 years. You see the good thing about solar is that capacity can be increased by small margins every year if the government so wishes, diesel on the other hand na wahala, maintenance is a big big challenge and being a plant of continuous motion has to be staffed 24/7, salaries will be astronomical. If one single bearing fails the plant can be down for months, then if the turbine company has moved on with technology you will suffer, if the turbine company has folded up, you will fold up too. If you know the number of non functional turbines there are in the various plants across the country you will be shocked some of them for a N10,000 spare part that takes months to find. They will need the turbine company to be on the hotline 24/7 and that does not come cheap. Fuel fired power generation is not for the faint hearted and Sokoto is a far place to travel.

Jins12:
Tambuwal is the best thing to happen to sokoto

did is not tambuwals project.

was started since 2008.

Blue3k:


No it wouldnt. Solar power is only help in the energy mix. Second solar is more expensive and power Is intermittent. If you look at various charts solar would offer a few 7 MW h per sq mt.

Btw Niger Delta should be happy to help them. Just a reminder we're supposed to be on eachothers team. Then there is also Niger Rupblic as an option. Which they'll gladly take opportunity since we're interconnected with they're grid in multiple zones.

My main gripe with article is how this would bring state to near constant power. Ikot Abasi grid produces 100 MW and didn't bring akwa ibom to near 24 hrs. Then there's also bigger independent power plants in all over Southern Nigeria with higher capacities even during worst bombing. They don't get those sort of results.

ay this operational cost... This is another 3billion down the drain. Do you have any data to support your 7MV? Because overview of the solar map suggest that Sokoto seems to have better DNI than California. A CSP plant would have cost a little more and opetation cost would have been a fraction of what tjis plant would use

Blue3k:


No it wouldnt. Solar power is only help in the energy mix. Second solar is more expensive and power Is intermittent. If you look at various charts solar would offer a few 7 MW h per sq mt.

Btw Niger Delta should be happy to help them. Just a reminder we're supposed to be on eachothers team. Then there is also Niger Rupblic as an option. Which they'll gladly take opportunity since we're interconnected with they're grid in multiple zones.

My main gripe with article is how this would bring state to near constant power. Ikot Abasi grid produces 100 MW and didn't bring akwa ibom to near 24 hrs. Then there's also bigger independent power plants in all over Southern Nigeria with higher capacities even during worst bombing. They don't get those sort of results.

It's relative. Power consumption may be different for two dissimilar areas.....

I am not sold on this report. There are a lot of loose ends not touched. What feasibility will build a power-plant of that magnitude and rely on diesel. I think diesel is supposed to be a back-up or an alternative. Trust me, even if the plant runs on diesel, it will probably take about 7-mega factories to situate their and buy the power even at cost+...........

So I will rather put this report in perspective as it is limited to me

The headline suppose to look this way..... (Sokoto big Generator set To Generate Power
At N178/kilowatt (more than 3x
Regional Price) how do we called it power plant when it consume more fuel than generator set... if they share that 33,900 litres of fuel it consume in daily to Sokoto ppl, it will even go a very long way for them

seguno2:


They copied it from Fashola's Lagos IPPs that are nothing but glorified, oversized diesel-guzzling generators.
Anyway, all na CHANGE to their personal pockets and CHAIN to their fellow citizens.

Wrong info you're putting there. Fashola's IPP are on CNG and not diesel

Wasted 3.8bn naira, for a state where scorching sun is darkening people's skin.

preacherz:
I am amazed at this mile stone achieved by a state Government.

How I wish SE states can learn from this an reduce their dependence on the FG for every thing.

Congratulations to Sokoto State Government on this achievement.

LOL, your people cannot fuel this archaic generator you call a power plant for even a month, talk less of maintain it. Imagine what burning say one or more to 33,000ltrs of the dirty sulfur-ladden diesel being shipped into this country in one place would do to an already depleted ozone layer, not to mention the fact that diesel engines are prone to breakdowns and frequent shutdowns for maintenance because of dirty fuel.

Thanks biggot, we don't need such a white elephant in the SE.

ArabMopol:
The headline suppose to look this way..... (Sokoto big Generator set To Generate Power
At N178/kilowatt (more than 3x
Regional Price) how do we called it power plant when it consume more fuel than generator set... if they share that 33,900 litres of fuel it consume in daily to Sokoto ppl, it will even go a very long way for them

bloody socialist....but you've got a strong point there. The Sokoto plant economics is dodgy at best, but I think even at 178, it will no doubt be cheaper than individuals running their plants. Once you scale up, no matter how expensive things are, the unit costs always fall.

mapet:
Wrong info you're putting there. Fashola's IPP are on CNG and not diesel

The thread below is at variance with your assertion above.
I hope that you can reconcile the obvious differences.
Thanks.

The plant will comprise of 4 units of 1.5MW MWM gas engines and 2 units of 2MW MWM diesel engines

https://www.nairaland.com/673895/island-power-project-lagos-generate

Sibrah:
Sometimes back I read of how India was able to generater solar power at a rate of N20/KWh. I use N320/$ conversion rate then. If I use N480/$ to be on a safer side that's still N30/KWh. And it was S-O-L-A-R for God's sake.

But another thing you have to consider is that solar is cheaper in India because they have an enabling solar industry, i.e they make every single component of the generating system locally so they are able to control costs. What I have often said is that Nigeria should invest in solar power component manufacture. Spend half the money we are currently spending building or rebuilding refineries and these so called gas plants in manufacturing solar panels and other components. Have total government support up to cabinet level, make the enabling laws to support it, waive duty on solar manufacturing tools and equipment and subsidize manufacture through the BOI. Set a target of having a manufacturing plant in each northern state up and running in five years, then watch and see how Nigeria becomes a global leader in solar and see how costs will drop so low, no one will wish to see fuel plants. Have the building industry adopt solar for the construction of new homes and offices as mandatory for their approval. There is a lot we can do. This tunnel vision we have for oil and gas is just stupid and highly risky. No nation worth its salt does not have a healthy power production mix. Even the uneducated farmer in the village knows that if he does not rotate and multicrop, his soil will be lost shortly and permanently. Can any man survive on one food source without serious illness. How can an economy survive with this visionlessness

Reference:


bloody socialist....but you've got a strong point there. The Sokoto plant economics is dodgy at best, but I think even at 178, it will no doubt be cheaper than individuals running their plants. Once you scale up, no matter how expensive things are, the unit costs always fall.

can't they diversifies to wind turbines or solar energy since desert is much closer to them

Blue3k:


No it wouldnt. Solar power is only help in the energy mix. Second solar is more expensive and power Is intermittent. If you look at various charts solar would offer a few 7 MW h per sq mt.

Btw Niger Delta should be happy to help them. Just a reminder we're supposed to be on eachothers team. Then there is also Niger Rupblic as an option. Which they'll gladly take opportunity since we're interconnected with they're grid in multiple zones.

My main gripe with article is how this would bring state to near constant power. Ikot Abasi grid produces 100 MW and didn't bring akwa ibom to near 24 hrs. Then there's also bigger independent power plants in all over Southern Nigeria with higher capacities even during worst bombing. They don't get those sort of results.

even if akwa ibom produces 10,000MW in so far it will be connected to the national grid. akwa Ibom will not enjoy it. the north east does not produce electricity. barth Nnaji suggested grid should be regional. but the senators destroy the plan.

y

texazzpete:


When you learn to read. What has this got to do with the FG?

oga mi sir. Have I said anything wrong? be it State government or federal government have they not been saying they want to... they want to? how many tos have they done? sir. Do you understand now sir?

texazzpete:
Yet another example of the destructive policies of the previous administration in that state (Aliyu wamakko, PDP)

In a state where there's an over abundance of sunlight, it's crazy the focus wasn't on solar power instead of this inefficient diesel run monstrosity.

This country has long been led astray by bad leaders

Don't you have common sense to understand that individuals make the party. Where is Wamakko today ? He is now an APC chieftain , Godfather to the present governor who is the APC leader in his state and a former prominent member of the PDP.

You have consistently unveiled you are a sycophant.

Hmmmm.... the contract was awarded in Nov 2008... scheduled to be completed in 6 months. Contract signed without a feasibility study... setting up a plant but don't know what fuel it would be using! Who and where are the contractors? Are they not obligated to complete the project within a certain time?... or face penalties if they don't? ...instead officials are explaining why the project is being stalled. How old is the turbine?... even if they bought it brand new?... State basking in sunlight but choose to have diesel plant. At times I think I am the one without common sense.

Emekamex:
33000 litres of diesel daily? Is this a power plant or a big generator?

Given that Nigeria is yet to have a functional refinery, importing huge amount of diesel to fuel the plant is a massive waste of forex.

is a power plant not a big generator?

Sibrah:
You need to tone down your obsession with power topics you hardly understand enough.
Go research the average cost of solar power in India, then ask yourself what's the sense in Sokoto state generating power at N170/KWh.

Lol are you serious. The didn't I already kill you multiple times when you didn't know America had 3 grids. You also didn't know Canada and USA have shared grid. Stop pretending you know something more than I do when you can't read basix chart you fraud. You and Your delusional brother standing5.

Second don't bring up india when West Africa is topic. You can look at West African Power Pool Master plan where the break down cost. The cost of solar has to be agmented because the light source by definition works when suns out. Thats why focus is on making it part of energy mix not whole thing.

When it is proposed as candidate for a country, wind is the first technology to be
retained, thanks to its low costs per kWh.
 The biomass is the second least expensive renewable technology. Nevertheless
the additional investments suggested in this technology (compared to the known
projects) are retained only in Nigeria. One of the reasons is for example the fact
that Sierra Leone, albeit its high biomass potential, can develop less expensive
hydroelectric resources for an exportation purpose.
 The additional investments suggested in photovoltaic technology are retained to
complete the two previous technologies to satisfy the imposed constraint.
 Except the thermal solar projects (CSP) already known (and thus imposed in this
alternative) in Mali and Niger, no new project arises from optimization, because
of the high cost per kWh of this technology (primarily because of the capital
costs and the fixed costs), much higher than for solar photovoltaic and other
renewable technologies.http://www.ecowapp.org/?dl_id=449

West Africa has particularly favourable areas for the development of solar
technologies. The chart hereafter shows the potential of the countries. If it were
decided to invest in renewable technologies in West Africa, Burkina Faso, Mali and
Niger would be good candidates for CSP solarenergy. http://www.ecowapp.org/?dl_id=449

Most of Nigeria is not a fit for solar. They said in chart anything below 10 degrees latitude north not good fit for CSP Photovoltaic.

Nalikedis:
ay this operational cost... This is another 3billion down the drain. Do you have any data to support your 7MV? Because overview of the solar map suggest that Sokoto seems to have better DNI than California. A CSP plant would have cost a little more and opetation cost would have been a fraction of what this plant would use

Data right here. WAPP and I had another link I need to get off my desktop later in morning. I'm going off their report mostly btw the plant in Sokoto can use other cheaper liquid and gas. The diesel is just worst option.

Reference:

Are you thinking at all. How is solar more expensive. You guys have this tunnel vision than warps your thinking. Look at the big picture my friend. Solar is only expensive to deploy. It costs very little to maintain and in a region with lesser than average rainfall/cloud cover it should be a no brainer. Diesel on the other hand is derived from crude oil, mined 1500 kilometres away in Indian territory and the nearest refinery is 500 kilometres away in Kaduna and is totally moribund. Does this make sound economic sense when you know that anything called 'turbines' absolutely hates the turning off and on an epileptic supply of diesel will cause, so expect the plant to have serious maintainance issues going forward. To overcome this they will inevitably have to source diesel from 'suppliers' whose qualities cannot be guaranteed and whose prices will not be stable. As we speak diesel in Abuja is N250, not the 205 quoted. The instability of prices will cost the government millions in subsidies to maintain that N178 electricity price. God on the other hand gives sunlight on time, 6am everyday at no cost. Is this an argument. Pally, think again.

Solar by nature intermittent. Next look at investment cost and how much region my get. Next remember this plant can run off of cheaper liquid fuels from Niger republic or Niger delta like I said. The distance between them doesn't matter much because at end of day it's still cheaper. I think plant also runs gas.

plant has a multiple type turbine that can use diesel, gas or LPFO.

Blue3k:


Lol are you serious. The didn't I already kill you multiple times when you didn't know America had 3 grids. You also didn't know Canada and USA have shared grid. Stop pretending you know something more than I do when you can't read basix chart you fraud. You and Your delusional brother standing5.

Second don't bring up india when West Africa is topic. You can look at West African Power Pool Master plan where the break down cost. The cost of solar has to be agmented because the light source by definition works when suns out. Thats why focus is on making it part of energy mix not whole thing.





Most of Nigeria is not a fit for solar. They said in chart anything below 10 degrees latitude north not good fit for CSP Photovoltaic.



Data right here. WAPP and I had another link I need to get off my desktop later in morning. I'm going off their report mostly btw the plant in Sokoto can use other cheaper liquid and gas. The diesel is just worst option.

You must be related to Musiwa to be throwing maps you can interpret properly around. When you want to prove what you don't know - that United States of America uses a single grid, you use map and compare it to Nigeria, when I point it out to you that India generates solar power at approx. N30KWh you claim this is west Africa.

Sibrah:
You must be related to Musiwa. When you want to prove what you don't know - that United States of America uses a single grid, you use map and compare it to Nigeria, when I point it out to you that India generates solar power at approx. N30KWh you claim this is west Africa.

Are you really starting grid arguements again. Don't you get tired. Second we talking about Nigeria which is on west africa. The cost won't be same. Second you can read graph and data to see that fact. You claim alot but never have source to back you up. Argue with US department of energy.

[North America is comprised of two major and three minor alternating current (AC) power grids or “interconnections.” The Eastern Interconnection reaches from Central Canada Eastward to the Atlantic coast (excluding Québec), South to Florida and West to the foot of the Rockies (excluding most of Texas). All of the electric utilities in the Eastern Interconnection are electrically tied together during normal system conditions and operate at a synchronized frequency operating at an average of 60Hz.

North America is comprised of two major and three minor alternating current (AC) power grids or “interconnections .” The Western Interconnection stretches from Western Canada South to Baja California in Mexico, reaching eastward over the Rockies to the Great Plains. All of the electric utilities in the Western Interconnection are electrically tied together during normal system conditions and operate at a synchronized frequency operating at an average of 60Hz

North America is comprised of two major and three minor alternating current (AC) power grids or “interconnections.” The Texas Interconnection covers most of the state of Texas. All of the electric utilities in the Texas Interconnection are electrically tied together during normal system conditions and operate at a synchronized frequency operating at an average of 60Hz.

Source:
https://energy.gov/oe/services/electricity-policy-coordination-and-implementation/transmission-planning/recovery-act-0

Blue3k:


Are you really starting grid arguements again. Don't you get tired. Second we talking about Nigeria which is on west africa. The cost won't be same. Second you can read graph and data to see that fact. You claim alot but never have source to back you up. Argue with US department of energy.








Source:
https://energy.gov/oe/services/electricity-policy-coordination-and-implementation/transmission-planning/recovery-act-0

Stop talking like a child. If America has 2 major grid and 3 minor power grids, what in your own word, is the name of this whole entity comprising 2 major grids and 3 minor grids? Please give a straight answer.