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Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by Pdizzle(m): 10:53am On Jan 12, 2017
DoctorAlien:


That is more like it. Atheism does not support the existence of absolute moral values. After all we are no different from animals and man is of no higher value than animals, according to them. Some believe it's okay to be racist; others believe it's okay to kill babies. Others still believe it's okay to rape. Who is to say what is to be followed? Any standard of our own creation would necessarily be subjective and arbitrary.

Emphasis on some, likewise some theist and polytheist too.
Yes, to most atheists morality is subjective. But the instance i gave happened in a religious community. If you happen to be a member of ISIS, you get to behead and stone people to death for their crimes, that's murder, but in these regions it's not. Still not an atheist community. There's presently no atheist dominated community that doesn't see rape and murder as a crime. (I stand to be corrected by you.)

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Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by blueAgent(m): 3:59pm On Jan 12, 2017
felixomor:

Even u sef is recognized....LoL
See how ordinary kjv is causing tremors for u If u just see the original manuscripts nko.? Na death be that


Lol.... The Original would be too hard on him.

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Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by blueAgent(m): 4:10pm On Jan 12, 2017
DoctorAlien:
Because an atheist does believe in God, but does not believe that he believes in God, he is simply a walking bundle of inconsistencies. One type to watch for is abehavioral inconsistency; this is where a person’s behavior does not comport with what he claims to believe. For example, consider the atheist university professor who teaches that human beings are simply chemical accidents —the end result of a long and purposeless chain of biological evolution. But then he goes home and kisses his wife and hugs his children, as if they were not simply chemical accidents, but valuable, irreplaceable persons deserving of respect and worthy of love.



Lol......You just committed Genocide. you mass killed them.

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Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by blueAgent(m): 4:19pm On Jan 12, 2017
ValentineMary:

Humans have no predefined purpose, we choose our purpose. As conscious beings, we can choose what we want. If we have a predefined purpose by a good God, then he/she/it is responsible for all the people who became serial killers, rapist and terrorist. Since he gave them an already defined purpose.
Then that would be incompatible with an all loving being. Purpose are attributes of conscious organisms built in by evolution to ensure survival no matter how complex or primitive it might be.


This Evolution sounds like a being. Last time i checked Evolution is a process that lacks thought,reason,life, mind e.t.c I wonder how Evolution will impart attributes itself does not have.
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by blueAgent(m): 4:23pm On Jan 12, 2017
ValentineMary:

We have come a long way in civilization and it is undeniably that survival of the fittest got us here to select the best suited to survive. But in this case, our morality are guided by secular laws which has to a great extent helped in ensuring our survival. So u wondering why atheist should bother just keeps me thinking.



You just murdered Science.
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by blueAgent(m): 4:28pm On Jan 12, 2017
DoctorAlien:


In other words you say that life is meaningless.

GOD gave man freewill. As such, man can do whatever he wants. But he is not free from the consequences of his actions. Any action has a consequence.

Are you confused? How can you say we have no purpose and then say that evolution programmed purpose into us? What is the purpose of man from the evolution POV?


Na waha for you,can't you see it is obvious, she is confused like all Athiests are.Lol.....

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Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by Omudia11: 11:30am On Jan 15, 2017
Actually it is Christians that should have no respect for atheists who think the entire world which is orderly is a mistake.

Mind you, no where does Christ command one to kill.
dalaman:


So if a person enters your house, kills your parents, siblings and takes you as his wife, he has done a good thing abi? You see why we atheist have no respect for some of you?
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by DoctorAlien(m): 6:13am On Jan 20, 2017
Atheists never tire to tell us how we are no different from animals like goats and sheep and cows. In fact, they accuse you of being proud if you dare to think yourself higher in any way than these animals. They argue that the rest of the animal world are not religious, and therefore religion is an anomaly in man. It follows then that man is just one of those animals. Nothing special about him.

If this is true, then the atheist who believes that human life is sacred and should not be taken indiscriminately is simply a walking bundle of inconsistency. If there is no special value placed on man(by GOD), and that we are simply another species of animals, as atheists argue, then the life of a man is as sacred as that of a goat. Why, then, should there be an uproar when human life is taken indiscriminately? Is it not the same thing as when a goat is killed? Do people protest when the life of an innocent goat is taken? How is the life of a man more important than that of a goat?

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Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by gabe: 11:50am On Jan 20, 2017
This one just woke up and decided to start confusing himself. All animal species have rules/behaviours that ensure continuity of the species eg bees and termites and their caste systems, mammals and territoriality etc. Human laws precede religion and evolved to ensure continuity and order. Thus laws against killing, stealing, adultery etc are common in ALL human societies. Religion evolved to enforce these laws.The golden rule of jesus: do unto others as u want them to do to u is found in sikh, buddhist and Islamic texts.
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by frank317: 3:40pm On Jan 20, 2017
I don't even know what the op is driving at with so many misconceptions


You feel hungry, u decide on your own to involve in activities that will make u seek for food. Does the God you worship make u know u are hungry before u go for food?

R.a.pe to the rapist is not wrong. It's something he enjoys doing and if not for the reaction of the victim or his victim's sympathisers, he would molest ladies continuously. That's why a rapist will do it until he is caught.

How ever, the world is not just for the rapist to enjoy, the victim reacts, she cries in pain, her loved ones feels her pain, they want justice, they want revenge. They need no moral giver to tell them their child/sister/friend, suffered during the r.a.pe. Over time, no one wants his ward to suffer in the hands of rapist and so the need for a law against r_ape.

Why will a God tell us that ra_pe is bad before we know it's bad? If u, get raped, do u need God to tell u that u something bad happened to you? If u see a ra_pe victim u sympathis with her becasue of what I know she has suffered in the hand of the rapist, u don't need any God to tell u to sympathise.

Of course you are free to think r-ape is good since morality is subjective, but don't expect your victim to give u a medal after going through hell in your hands.

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Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by Fayos1(m): 4:48pm On Jan 20, 2017
DoctorAlien:
Atheists never tire to tell us how we are no different from animals like goats and sheep and cows. In fact, they accuse you of being proud if you dare to think yourself higher in any way than these animals. They argue that the rest of the animal world are not religious, and therefore religion is an anomaly in man. It follows then that man is just one of those animals. Nothing special about him.

If this is true, then the atheist who believes that human life is sacred and should not be taken indiscriminately is simply a walking bundle of inconsistency. If there is no special value placed on man(by GOD), and that we are simply another species of animals, as atheists argue, then the life of a man is as sacred as that of a goat. Why, then, should there be an uproar when human life is taken indiscriminately? Is it not the same thing as when a goat is killed? Do people protest when the life of an innocent goat is taken? How is the life of a man more important than that of a goat?
. I've been a silent reader. Just wanna ask. What's the point you're trying to prove? Cutting the chase.. What fact are you trying to establish?
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by DoctorAlien(m): 4:01pm On Jan 26, 2017
Fayos1:
. I've been a silent reader. Just wanna ask. What's the point you're trying to prove? Cutting the chase.. What fact are you trying to establish?

GOD is, and He is the Source of all absolute moral laws. Without GOD in the picture, a reason cannot be found for which things like giving to charity, preserving the sanctity of human life and being modest are considered universally moral. But anything that does not have any reason to be is not. Absolute moral laws exist. Therefore GOD exists.

Bear in mind that absolute moral laws are not absolute because they are enforced by man, neither are they no longer absolute because they are not enforced/obeyed by man: absolute moral laws are intrinsically good.
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by gabe: 11:33am On Jan 28, 2017
DoctorAlien:


GOD is, and He is the Source of all absolute moral laws. Without GOD in the picture, a reason cannot be found for which things like giving to charity, preserving the sanctity of human life and being modest are considered universally moral. But anything that does not have any reason to be is not. Absolute moral laws exist. Therefore GOD exists.

Bear in mind that absolute moral laws are not absolute because they are enforced by man, neither are they no longer absolute because they are not enforced/obeyed by man: absolute moral laws are intrinsically good.
Just google philanthropic atheists and see if you need God to perform acts of charity. Examples abound in lower animals that sacrifice themselves for the herd: worker bees, soldier termites, drones whose internal organs are torn from their bodies after mating, birds and mammals that act as sentries to protect the herd from attack etc. Altruism is a natural phenomenon, simply because individuals of a particular species have to cooperate to improve the survival chances of the entire population. So it's not just about survival of the fittest individual, simply because the fittest antelope is still no match for a pride of lions, but a herd of antelopes working together can evade the lions with minimal losses.
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by DoctorAlien(m): 3:55pm On Jan 28, 2017
gabe:

Just google philanthropic atheists and see if you need God to perform acts of charity. Examples abound in lower animals that sacrifice themselves for the herd: worker bees, soldier termites, drones whose internal organs are torn from their bodies after mating, birds and mammals that act as sentries to protect the herd from attack etc. Altruism is a natural phenomenon, simply because individuals of a particular species have to cooperate to improve the survival chances of the entire population. So it's not just about survival of the fittest individual, simply because the fittest antelope is still no match for a pride of lions, but a herd of antelopes working together can evade the lions with minimal losses.

You have failed to address the post you quoted. You only proceeded to tell me that atheists are philantropists too, which I never argued against. You then began to give an uncalled-for lecture on evolution and survival of species.

Please think before you post.
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by gabe: 4:36pm On Jan 28, 2017
DoctorAlien:


You have failed to address the post you quoted. You only proceeded to tell me that atheists are philantropists too, which I never argued against. You then began to give an uncalled-for lecture on evolution and survival of species.

Please think before you post.
Lol, just showed you altruism is inherent in nature, not because some God commands us, or because we fear some God will punish us if we don't care about our neighbour. What more do u want?
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by DoctorAlien(m): 7:32pm On Jan 28, 2017
gabe:

Lol, just showed you altruism is inherent in nature, not because some God commands us, or because we fear some God will punish us if we don't care about our neighbour. What more do u want?
DoctorAlien:


GOD is, and He is the Source of all absolute moral laws. Without GOD in the picture, a reason cannot be found for which things like giving to charity, preserving the sanctity of human life and being modest are considered universally moral. But anything that does not have any reason to be is not. Absolute moral laws exist. Therefore GOD exists.

Bear in mind that absolute moral laws are not absolute because they are enforced by man, neither are they no longer absolute because they are not enforced/obeyed by man: absolute moral laws are intrinsically good.
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by DoctorAlien(m): 9:24am On Feb 06, 2017
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Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by frank317: 11:05am On Feb 06, 2017
DoctorAlien:


GOD is, and He is the Source of all absolute moral laws. Without GOD in the picture, a reason cannot be found for which things like giving to charity, preserving the sanctity of human life and being modest are considered universally moral. But anything that does not have any reason to be is not. Absolute moral laws exist. Therefore GOD exists.

Bear in mind that absolute moral laws are not absolute because they are enforced by man, neither are they no longer absolute because they are not enforced/obeyed by man: absolute moral laws are intrinsically good.

I don't even know what the op is driving at with so many misconceptions


You feel hungry, u decide on your own to involve in activities that will make u seek for food. Does the God you worship make u know u are hungry before u go for food?

R.a.pe to the rapist is not wrong. It's something he enjoys doing and if not for the reaction of the victim or his victim's sympathisers, he would molest ladies continuously. That's why a rapist will do it until he is caught.

How ever, the world is not just for the rapist to enjoy, the victim reacts, she cries in pain, her loved ones feels her pain, they want justice, they want revenge. They need no moral giver to tell them their child/sister/friend, suffered during the r.a.pe. Over time, no one wants his ward to suffer in the hands of rapist and so the need for a law against r_ape.

Why will a God tell us that ra_pe is bad before we know it's bad? If u, get raped, do u need God to tell u that u something bad happened to you? If u see a ra_pe victim u sympathis with her becasue of what I know she has suffered in the hand of the rapist, u don't need any God to tell u to sympathise.

Of course you are free to think r-ape is good since morality is subjective, but don't expect your victim to give u a medal after going through hell in your hands.
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by DoctorAlien(m): 7:47pm On Feb 06, 2017
frank317:


I don't even know what the op is driving at

Quite a honest admission, because you didn't address the issue at hand.

Now, does the fact that your opinion that rape is wrong happens to coincide with the opinion of 10 000 000 more people make the abstinence from rape(which could have been a relative) an absolute moral value?

You say that the victim of the rape feels pain, eh? Does the antelope which the lion tears for lunch not feel pain? What's wrong in that?

Now what if the opinion of the majority in the world right now is that rape is right? Would that make rape right? If no, why should the opposite be the case?
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by frank317: 8:52am On Feb 07, 2017
DoctorAlien:


Quite a honest admission, because you didn't address the issue at hand.

Now, does the fact that your opinion that rape is wrong happens to coincide with the opinion of 10 000 000 more people make the abstinence from rape(which could have been a relative) an absolute moral value?
Why are u confusing ur self with something so simple.

There is nothing like absolute moral value. Humans chose what is right or wrong based on how it affects them not based on any God telling them it's wrong or right.
And to ur question above , the answer is No. The fact that 10000000 people think rape is wrong does not make abstinence from rape an absolute moral value, becasue there is nothing like absolute moral value.


You say that the victim of the rape feels pain, eh? Does the antelope which the lion tears for lunch not feel pain? What's wrong in that?
I don't know what u mean by asking me, what's wrong with that.
The antelope feels pain that's why it runs when it sees the lion. The victim of rape feels pain that's why he avoid rape prone areas and avocates that rapists be caught.
Why are u asking me what's wrong with that? What's wrong with what?


Now what if the opinion of the majority in the world right now is that rape is right? Would that make rape right? If no, why should the opposite be the case?

You think people come up with opinion for no reason? U think people's brains that guides them to seek food when hungry is for fancy? I have told u, the reason why people think rape is right or wrong is becasue of the way it affects us, it's not just an opinion, it's as a result of weighing the effect this act has on our peacful existence. People cannot have opinion that rape is right if it's making people unhappy.
What kind of question is this?
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by DoctorAlien(m): 12:29pm On Feb 07, 2017
frank317:

Why are u confusing ur self with something so simple.

There is nothing like absolute moral value.

So you're saying rape is not really bad, and that its goodness or badness is left to individual discretions.

Okay.
Re: Exposing The Inconsistencies In Atheism by frank317: 1:22pm On Feb 07, 2017
DoctorAlien:


So you're saying rape is not really bad, and that its goodness or badness is left to individual discretions.

Okay.

U dont even understand the reason why u opened this thread.
look at how u are jumping from pillar to post asking meaningless questions thats show u dont even understand what u intend to prove with ur thread.

Discretion is the reason why things are called good or bad, not because of the thing itself. things just dont happen in isolation, they are measured by their effect on us.

U cant say the word rape like it exists on its own. you define it. and when u define it it gets broad and you relate with is as an action done to another and you see the effect.

it is not rape just as a word, it is rape because it is an act meted on another... human discretion comes in to measure the act and decide if its good or bad.

it is not seen to be bad because it is a word, it is seen to be bad because it is an action that has consequences... human discretion is part of our judgmental process. it helps us decide if we should run in times or danger or not. it helps us decide if we will accept something or not.

seriously... do u think we as humans are not capable of thinking? do u think we are not capable of deciding if rape is bad for us, except God tells us it is bad?

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