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| Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(m): 8:05pm On Feb 25, 2017 |
The Bible is very clear on it's seventh day weekly worship of God, called the Sabbath. But we see that mainstream Christians do not obey this commandment. In fact, in place of the Sabbath, they keep and observed what the Bible called the "traditions of men" (Mark 7:8 ), in this case, Sunday observance. Of all the Law, the Sabbath law is the most transgressed of them all. But then, this is no surprise at all, the reason is well known. So lets see just a brief history of how the Sunday worship came to be- who authorized it. Some Techniques Used to Legitimize Sunday—A Case in Point There was a particular meeting between Polycarp, the leader of the true Church of God at the onset of the Smyrna Era, and the Bishop of Rome, regarding the Roman church’s erroneous actions of changing the time of the Passover observance to a Sunday. The tactics that the counterfeit movement (To learn more about the counterfeit movement, clink on this link: https://www.nairaland.com/3558502/true-founder-history-catholic-church) had used to establish precedent were scandalous and unscrupulous, as the following account reveals. We pick up this account after the above-mentioned meeting. After Polycarp had left the meeting, an unusual letter appeared. This letter is considered by most scholars to have been a deliberate forgery: “Pope Pius, who lived about 147, had made a decree, that the annual solemnity of the Pasch [this Greek word is derived from the Hebrew word pesach] should be kept on the Lord’s day [Sunday] and in confirmation of this he pretended, that Hermes [Hermas] his brother, who was then an eminent teacher among them, had received instruction from an angel, who commanded that all men should keep the Pasch on the Lord’s day” (Antiquities of the Christian Church, Joseph Bingham, pp. 1148-1149). “One of the letters forged in the name of Pius, where one Hermas [Hermes] is mentioned as the author; and it is stated that in his book a commandment was given through an angel to observe the Passover on a Sunday” (Apostolical Fathers, James Donaldson, p. 324). If this letter was invented after Polycarp’s time in an effort to lend weight to the position of Anicetus, then it was a deliberate forgery. Otherwise, Pius himself was the author of this deceptive letter. Pius died just before the visit of Polycarp to Rome. Suppose this incident was not a forgery (notwithstanding, most scholars readily acknowledge that it was) and, in fact, did happen. Suppose Hermes or Pope Pius (or Anicetus) was not lying this time around, and that Hermes did receive instructions from an angel to change the observance of a time that God had established. Would this have opened the door to legitimize those instructions from the “angel,” in God’s view? We must merely look in Galatians 1:8 to establish whether instructions from an angel carry precedence over God’s instructions through His apostles or prophets: “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” The account above was chosen to illustrate the Roman Catholics’ underhanded schemes in adopting their hybrid doctrines. They claimed the power to supersede and change the laws of God when deemed necessary. (See Daniel 7:25). Early Catholic View of the Sabbath Now for some statements from some of the original architects of Catholic thought, concerning the Sabbath. Justin Martyr’s position exposes their true feelings and ignorance. Dr. Samuele Bacchiocchi skillfully condenses the philosophy of Justin Martyr in the following summary statement on page 186 of his book, From Sabbath to Sunday: “The Sabbath for Justin is a temporary ordinance, derived from Moses, which God did not intend to be kept literally, for He Himself ‘does not stop controlling the movement of the universe on that day.’ He imposed it solely on the Jews as ‘a mark to single them out for punishment they so well deserved for their infidelities.’” Justin Martyr’s rank anti-Semitism would almost be humorous, were it not for the deadly persecution, to both Jews and true Christians, that it led to. The next viewpoint is that of Tertullian (made in AD 200), which is also telling: “…if for these and other such rules [for Sunday observance] you insist upon having positive scriptural injunction, you will find none. Tradition will be held forth to you as the originator of them—custom as their strengthener and faith as their preserver…” (De Corona, ch. 4). In view of the above quote, it would be appropriate to quote one 20th century Roman Catholic theologian, Cardinal Gibbons, from Faith of Our Fathers, p. 89, 1917 edition: “A rule of faith, or a competent guide to heaven, must be able to instruct all the truths necessary for salvation. Now the Scriptures alone do not contain all the truths which a Christian is bound to believe, nor do they explicitly enjoin all the duties which he is obliged to practice. Not to mention other examples, is not every Christian obliged to sanctify Sunday and to abstain on that day from unnecessary servile work? Is not the observance of this law among the most promising of our sacred duties? But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify”. There you have it. Such guts and nauseating arrogance oozing from puny men. Isn't it extreme foolishness to set aside God's own commands in place of human inventions, and then somehow expects the supreme Being to concur? Ridiculous! 3 Likes 3 Shares |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Oblitz(m): 3:32am On Feb 26, 2017 |
Wow |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Nobody: 4:00am On Feb 26, 2017 |
The Bible is clear on the 7th day..(and the Catholic church publicly acknowledges their alleged "change" of the 7th day Biblical Sabbath), however many people don't know it just yet...like I didn't at one point in time. The Holy Spirit will reveal it in due time to sincere and searching people. 2 Likes |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(m): 8:37am On Feb 26, 2017 |
Oblitz: Yeah, it sure deserves that "wow" exclamation. Can you imagine puny man telling his own creator: "Look, this law you gave to me is not good. I'll change it and enact my own law, and you must obey it?" That's what these people did! |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(m): 8:39am On Feb 26, 2017 |
MZLady39: Yeah, you can say that again. |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by MuttleyLaff: 8:51am On Feb 26, 2017 |
Splinz:"Have *you* also so little understanding?" Jesus replied... - Mark 7:18 MZLady39:Something very important, most people don't know note is that, Jesus never taught, never preached and most definitely never told anyone to keep the Sabbath Isnt it strange that, God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ) explicitly repeats almost all the ten commandments but nowhere in scripture did He ever in clear, specific and direct language talk about keeping the sabbath (i.e. God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ) didnt ever talked about keeping the fourth commandment) If keeping is very dear & important, why, isnt the fourth commandment, like other laws from the ten commandments, as shown below, explicitly talked about, preached, taught or commanded by God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ) Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed but just read below the response, when God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ) was asked about how to obtain eternal life. The surprising truth in all the response(s), is that there is no Jesus command about keeping sabbath to obtain eternal life and/or no Jesus mentioning keeping the sabbath to obtain eternal life. Interesting responses, aren't they? #1 “You shall have no other gods before me. No one is able to serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and he will love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and he will despise the other. You are not able to serve God and mammon - Matthew 6:24 Berean Literal Bible (Jesus commanding) #2 You shall not make for yourself graven images or likenesses in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. and you shall not bow down to them or worship them "Get out of here, Satan," Jesus told him. "For the Scriptures say, 'You must worship the LORD your God and serve only him.'" - Matthew 4:10 KJV (Jesus commanding) #3 You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain 33"You have heard that it was said to your ancestors, 'Never break your oath, but give to the Lord what you swore in an oath to give him.' 34But I tell you don't swear an oath at all. Don't swear an oath by heaven, which is God's throne, 35or by the earth, which is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, which is the city of the great King. 36And don't swear an oath by your head. After all, you cannot make one hair black or white. 37Simply say yes or no. Anything more than that comes from the evil one. - Matthew 5:33-37 (Jesus commanding) #4 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. You, your family and any stranger that is within thy gates Six days you shall work, but the 7th day is the Sabbath - God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ) no where explicitly nor remotely commands this commandment Unlike the other commandments from the Ten Commandment list, altogther nailed to the cross with the fourth commandment, the fourth commandment is not taught or mentioned by Jesus to be kept because Jesus knew that unlike the other commandments there was no intention of reintroducing the fourth commandment of keeping the sabbath The New Testament too, just like Jesus, repeats the other commandments from the Ten Commandment list but doesnt explicit mention nor commands to keep the sabbath #5 Honor your father and mother 18“Which ones?” the man asked. Jesus answered, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness, 19honor your father and mother and love your neighbor as yourself.’ - Matthew 19:18-19 (Jesus commanding) #6 You shall not murder - “Which ones?” the man asked. Jesus answered, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness - Matthew 19:18 (Jesus commanding) #7 You shall not commit adultery - “Which ones?” the man asked. Jesus answered, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness, - Matthew 19:18 (Jesus commanding) #8 You shall not steal - “Which ones?” the man asked. Jesus answered, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness - Matthew 19:18 (Jesus commanding) #9 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor - “Which ones?” the man asked. Jesus answered, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not bear false witness - Matthew 19:18 (Jesus commanding) #10 You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor." 17After He had left the crowd and gone indoors, His disciples began to ask Him about this figure of speech. 18"Have *you* also so little understanding?" Jesus replied; "do you not understand that anything whatever that enters a man from outside cannot make him unclean, 19because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and passes away ejected from him?" By these words Jesus pronounced all kinds of food clean. 20"What comes out of a man," He added, "that it is which makes him unclean. 21For from within, out of men's hearts, their evil purposes proceed—fornication, theft, murder, adultery, 22covetousness, wickedness, deceit, licentiousness, envy, reviling, pride, reckless folly: 23all these wicked things come out from within and make a man unclean'' - Mark 7:17-23 (Jesus said: listen to Me and understand) MZLady39:and now you're out of a frying pan into the fire MZLady39:But they were blinded in their understanding; for until today whenever the Old Testament is read, that veil remains over them, and it is not revealed that it is being abolished by The Messiah - 2 Corinthians 3:14 Aramaic Bible in Plain English As seen above, Jesus' commandments and similar commandments in the NT ARE ALMOST THE SAME as the 10 commandments Jesus' commandments and similar commandments in the NT ARE the 10 commandments RELOADED, less one All the commandments, except for the fourth commandment were restored or reinstated, after all the ten commandments were abolished. The whole ten commandments after abolition were all, except for the fourth commandment, EXPLICITLY re-introduced, short this one and only commandment which for a very good and valid reason was left out Whichever of two group of sabbatarians anyone is. Whether an observer of Saturday as sabbath or an observer of Sunday as a sabbath, you wont ever find in scriptures, Jesus nor the NT explicitly commanding to keep Saturday or Sunday for sabbath Please my dear sister MZLady39 and brother Splinz, remember we will be judged by the law that sets us free and not by the Mosaic law So, sister and brother, you therefore need to make it your habit to speak & act like people who are going to be judged by the law of liberty. However, if you or Splinz, do have scriptures of Jesus or the NT explicitly commanding to keep Saturday or Sunday for sabbath, please paste it here for all to read and to eat the humble pie cc Goshen360, blueAgent, petra1, Ubenedictus, Oladimix, openmine |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(m): 2:35pm On Feb 26, 2017 |
The Sabbath From Creation The book of Genesis—the name means “beginnings”—speaks almost immediately about the subject of the Sabbath—the seventh day of the week. It is as though God wanted this issue clearly established in the minds of the Bible’s readers from the outset of their study of Scripture. Near the book’s beginning, immediately after the “Creation chapter” concludes, the Bible states this: “Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had made; and He RESTED on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And God BLESSED the seventh day, and SANCTIFIED it: because that in it He had RESTED from all His work which God created and made” (Gen. 2:1-3). While no one should have missed, or misunderstood, the weight of this passage, almost everyone has. And rather than examine it, and the many others on the subject, most merely swallow popular thinking without resistance because it is easy. The first word in this commandment in Exodus, “remember,” shows Israel had previously known about the Sabbath. The Ten Commandments existed and were in force before Moses (see https://www.nairaland.com/3615455/does-new-covenant-abolish-ten/2#53709630). God made the Sabbath as a time for man to rest from the previous six days of work. He knew that man would need this rest, physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually. The Sabbath is a time to break away from the daily routine, commune with God, and reflect on our purpose for being. The Sabbath begins at sunset on Friday evening and ends at sunset on Saturday evening. God blessed and sanctified this time, making it holy. When God confers such honor upon anything, we should take special notice! Many scriptures make clear why He set the Sabbath apart from the rest of the week. Recognize that God commands man to work six days. He wants man to provide for himself (and his family) and manage his life and finances in accordance with His laws. Many verses, such as John 5:17, 36, show that both God the Father and Christ work—so should we. |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(m): 2:42pm On Feb 26, 2017 |
Who Was the Creator? Who was the Creator God who brought the Sabbath into being? “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made” (John 1:1-3). The “Word” (original Greek: Spokesman) was the Member of the God Family who did the creating. Verse 14 confirms the identity of the Word: “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father) full of grace and truth.” This verse, and those following, point to none other than Jesus Christ. He was the One who created, sanctified (set apart) and ordained the Sabbath. The account of the revealing of manna (bread from heaven) is closely related to the Sabbath. This occurred before Israel reached Sinai and received the law. Before the manna was given, some important instructions for gathering it were given, in Exodus 16:4-5: “Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in My law, or no. And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in; and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.” Israel was further instructed to gather only enough for each family’s daily needs. Any manna left overnight would rot and breed worms. The only exception was that the double portion given on the sixth day would not deteriorate the following Sabbath morning. This miracle was intended to prove to Israel that God would provide for their needs on the Sabbath! Verse 4 shows that God used the Sabbath as a test command: “…that I may PROVE them, whether they will walk in My law, or no.” This was to test the Israelites’ response to God’s instructions. The Sabbath is also a test for God’s people today. Notice: “And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD has said, Tomorrow is the rest of the holy Sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which you will bake to day, and seethe [boil] that you will seethe; and that which remains over lay up for you to be kept until the morning” (Ex. 16:22-23). Besides showing that God provided extra manna on the sixth day, this also shows the preparation day was always the time to physically prepare for the Sabbath. This includes the bulk of major cooking. Israel was told that no manna would appear on the Sabbath. They were not to gather any on that day. Yet some went out to find it anyway. God chastised Israel for this: “How long refuse you to keep My commandments and My laws? See, for that the LORD has given you the Sabbath, therefore He gives you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide you every man in his place, let no man go out of his place [to work by gathering manna] on the seventh day. So the people rested on the seventh day” (vs. 28-30). This account teaches an extremely important lesson. Only God controlled these factors, not Moses or any other human being. The Being who blessed and set apart the Sabbath as holy time proved that He could provide for those who observed and kept it. This event also emphasizes that the seventh day was sanctified—set apart—as the Sabbath before the Ten Commandments were officially given to Israel. People who keep God’s commandments today will find that God will provide for them as well! |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(m): 3:13pm On Feb 26, 2017 |
The Sabbath as a Covenant That Identifies In addition to being one of the Ten Commandments, the Sabbath is so important to God that He made a special covenant (agreement or contract) with Israel for keeping it: “And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying, Speak you also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily My Sabbaths you shall keep: for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations; that you may know that I am the LORD that does sanctify you” (Ex. 31:12-13). Thus, the Sabbath was a sign identifying Israel, setting them apart for a special purpose! Exodus 31:14-15 reveals the consequences of ignoring God’s Sabbath command: “You shall keep the Sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defiles it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever does any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever does any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.” (see Genesis 2:17). God then presented the perpetual Sabbath covenant: “Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day He rested, and was refreshed” (vs. 16-17). Notice that the Sabbath command here derives its authority from the time of Creation, not from Moses. Proof that the Sabbath is the sign between God and His true people is found in Ezekiel 20:11-13: “And I gave them My statutes, and showed them My judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them. Moreover also I gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctifies them. But the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness: they walked not in My statutes, and they despised My judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and My Sabbaths they greatly polluted.” God was so passionate about Israel’s rebellion and Sabbath-breaking that He inspired Ezekiel to emphasize the seriousness of their actions: “I am the LORD your God; walk in My statutes, and keep My judgments, and do them; And hallow My Sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the LORD your God. Notwithstanding the children rebelled against Me: they walked not in My statutes, neither kept My judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted My Sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out My fury upon them, to accomplish My anger against them in the wilderness” (vs. 19-21). The word “sabbaths” refers to both the weekly Sabbath and the annual Holy Days, which God also describes as sabbaths. In every case above, God referred to the sabbaths as “MY” sabbaths—not “YOUR” sabbaths or “THOSE JEWISH” sabbaths. The Sabbath belongs to God. People who reject it are rejecting Him! |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Nobody: 3:14pm On Feb 26, 2017 |
Hi MuttleyLaff, Wow!!! I'm an avid reader & love the written language...BUT you wrote a mini book and my eyes are getting strained... Haven't Brothers Splinz & blueAgent already given you numerous scripture passages for your answer? Come on my brother....why such opposition to this? To your following statement: "and now you're out of the frying pan into the fire" Well, all I can say is that I count it a privilege to burn up for the truth  2 Likes 2 Shares |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(m): 3:32pm On Feb 26, 2017 |
Christ’s Teaching and Example Christ made a profound statement during a confrontation with the Pharisees. One that mainstream churchianity do not pay attention to: “And He said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man [not “the Jews”], and not man for the Sabbath: Therefore THE SON OF MAN IS LORD ALSO OF THE SABBATH” (Mark 2:27-28). Jesus stressed that the Sabbath was made for man and his needs—to rest, be refreshed and mainly to commune with God. Yet the Pharisees acted as if human beings were created to comply with their endless rules. They had become lost in a maze of regulations, which separated them from the Sabbath’s true meaning. Christ said that the Sabbath was made for man. Notice, He said this day of rest was made for man—all humanity—not just for the Jews. He explained that He was Lord of the Sabbath (vs. 28), not of Sunday. As Maker, Sustainer and Author of the Sabbath Covenant, Christ alone deserves the title “Lord of the Sabbath.” Jesus showed that the Pharisees’ condemnation of gathering corn to be eaten on the Sabbath was unfounded (vs. 23-26). His example demonstrated that it was permissible to gather food on the Sabbath to fulfill immediate hunger. In Mark 3:1-6, the Pharisees closely watched Christ to see whether He would, on the Sabbath, heal a man who had a withered hand. When Christ perceived that they sought to accuse Him, He responded, “Is it lawful to do good on the Sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill?” (vs. 4). The Pharisees would not answer Him. Christ immediately healed the man, after which the Pharisees sought to kill Him. What an indictment against self-righteous human nature! Christ’s example reveals that it is permissible to do good on the Sabbath and to relieve suffering. This is in harmony with the spirit of the Fourth Commandment. In the same account found in Matthew 12:11-12, Christ used the analogy of rescuing an animal in distress, with which the Pharisees agreed. Yet, they did not allow for Christ to heal a suffering human being on the Sabbath. He used a similar analogy in Luke 13:15-17, of loosing livestock from a stall to lead them away for watering on the Sabbath, with which the Pharisees also agreed. But they protested Christ’s healing of an Israelite woman bound with an affliction for 18 years. This account also confirms that Christ allowed certain necessary physical duties to be carried out on the Sabbath, such as feeding and watering livestock. However, this is not license to plan or do non-emergency work on the Sabbath! The Sabbath is made for mankind. Instead of being a time of strict “do’s and don’ts,” it can be a time to do good and relieve suffering, as well as a time of rest and worship. Like many of the Bible’s teachings, proper, correct Sabbath-keeping has become a controversial issue. Is the Sabbath governed by a strict list of “do’s and don’ts”? Christ said that the Sabbath was made for man. In theory, if men made the Sabbath, they would have the right to tell you how to keep it. But since it was made for man, not by man, man does not determine how it should be kept. God does! What does this mean? You can know how to properly keep and enjoy the Sabbath—as God intended! God gave man His laws so that we can enjoy life to the fullest. Contrary to what many believe, those laws are not a burden. They were given so that we can have a proper relationship with God and our fellowman. Jesus also taught, “The thief comes not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly” (John 10:10). Most professing Christians “agree” with nine of the Ten Commandments. They still at least vaguely understand that it is wrong to worship other gods and practice idolatry, although they unwittingly do so. Most would say that it is wrong to take God’s name in vain. Some feel that it is at least a good idea to show some degree of respect to parents. Some are of the opinion that it is morally wrong to kill, steal, lie, commit adultery, and covet the things of others. It is entirely another matter, however, that very few people actively attempt to practice these nine commandments as a way of life. After all, they just know that the law was “done away.” Nevertheless, they still basically accept them as “nice principles.” But when it comes to God’s command to “Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy” (Exod. 20:8; Lev. 23:3; Deut. 5:12), even those who desire to keep it simply do not know how. |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(m): 3:57pm On Feb 26, 2017 |
MZLady39: The answer lies in Romans 8:7. To your following statement: Indeed, in you is fulfilled the Scriptures that states: "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (John 8:32). You've been set free from false teachings, lies and human inventions. Keep the fire burning, and seek for nothing other than the pure word of God. |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(m): 4:07pm On Feb 26, 2017 |
Sabbath Convocation Leviticus 23 covers the subject of the seven annual sabbaths, or Holy Days. Verses 1-3 explain the weekly Sabbath. Notice: “And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are My feasts. Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; you shall do no work therein: it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.” The weekly Sabbath is a holy convocation—a commanded assembly, during which God’s people are given spiritual food from His servants. The Sabbath service is a delight and joy, and has always been eagerly anticipated by God’s people through the ages. Notice the admonition given in Hebrews 10:24-25: “And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as you see the day approaching.” It is crucial that God’s people assemble each week to receive His spiritual food, as well as for fellowship. The book of Isaiah contains inspiring and reassuring encouragement for those who do not pollute God’s Sabbath and diligently follow His Law: “Neither let the son of the stranger, that has joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD has utterly separated me from His people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. For thus says the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep My Sabbaths, and choose the things that please Me, and take hold of My covenant; even unto them will I give in Mine house and within My walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off” (56:3-5). |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(m): 4:19pm On Feb 26, 2017 |
The Sabbath—a Delight Another passage in Isaiah provides some guidelines as to how to keep the Sabbath: “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, from doing your pleasure on My holy day; and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honorable; and shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words: Then shall you delight yourself in the LORD; and I will cause you to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father: for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it” (58:13-14). The term “turn away your foot from the Sabbath” means that you should not walk over the Sabbath, or forget that it is holy time set aside by the Creator. “Not doing your pleasure” refers to misusing the Sabbath for hobbies, sports activities, or other personal pursuits. There are certain activities that are beneficial in helping the observant appreciate the Sabbath and God’s creation. These could include taking a short, refreshing walk or perhaps playing uplifting or relaxing music on the piano. Since it is a time of rest, you should avoid certain activities, such as running or exercising. Remember, the Sabbath is a feast day, so a special Sabbath meal would be appropriate. When we understand and keep the Sabbath as God intended, it will indeed be a delight. The promise attached to the Sabbath command is significant. To “ride upon the high places of the earth” means to be elevated and promoted by blessings that only God can provide. This could include better health, a more rewarding job, wisdom and understanding, or other blessings. God is not bribing anyone into keeping the Sabbath. The real rewards He wants us to seek are the spiritual ones. PS: “And He said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man [not “the Jews”], and not man for the Sabbath: Therefore THE SON OF MAN IS LORD ALSO OF THE SABBATH”. So, “There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God” (Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4:9). |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by MuttleyLaff: 6:36pm On Feb 26, 2017 |
Splinz:This account is full of the most amazing blather It is just like watching paint dry, it is boring and nothing stimulating about it or in it. Splinz:In fact, Moses said, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your brothers. You must listen to everything he tells you (i.e. Him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever He shall say unto you) - Acts 3:22 “The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers—it is to Him you shall listen - Deuteronomy 18:15 And this is why the NT and Moses in Acts 3:22 and Deuteronomy 18:15 above, pre-warned and advised that you listen to Jesus Splinz:Stop boring all, with long-winded posts without making very much sense You mentioned in your post on the other thread, consequences of breaking physical laws of gravity and inertia but convenietly forgot or deliberately ignored to mention applying the law of aerodynamics when breaking the law of gravity My friend, sorry to bust your bubble, but you break a spiritual law with a superior and better spiritual law, and this way, it wont result in spiritual consequences. Do yourself and all a favour by providing scriptures of where God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ) explicitly commands to keep Saturday or Sunday for sabbath, or of the NT explicitly commanding to keep Saturday or Sunday for sabbath, The Being who blessed and set apart the Sabbath is Jesus, who happens to be Owner of the Sabbath (i.e. Lord of the Sabbath) so please paste it here, where the just one verse will do, for all to read and to eat the humble pie |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by MuttleyLaff: 6:36pm On Feb 26, 2017 |
MZLady39:I am so sorry about the mini book and your eyes getting strained To be honest with you, I am not really a keen fan of writing long Nairaland posts just for the main reason, that most readers havent got the patience or concerntration to read long posts straight from start to the end I also try to avoid doing long posts because it most times, alienates, befuddles and disorientates the reader I made exception to this rule, out of needing to do a ''measure for measure'' response to Splinz's blathering post(s) MZLady39:No, neither have given me an explicit scripture verse where God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ) has explicitly commanded to keep Saturday or Sunday for sabbath. They both were providing numerous off-target scripture passages instead of giving just, one NT verse I only asked for a teeny-weeny verse showing where God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ) explicitly commands to keep Saturday or Sunday for sabbath, or show a a teeny-weeny verse of the NT explicitly commanding to keep Saturday or Sunday for sabbath I doubt you yourself, will ever be able to come to their rescue, by providing a scripture of where God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ) explicitly commands believers to keep Saturday or Sunday for sabbath, or give a NT verse explicitly commanding believers to keep Saturday or Sunday for sabbath But if you're so sure of such verse, please convincingly & confidently paste it here, where the just one verse will do, for all to read and to eat the humble pie MZLady39:Come on my sister, give me, at least some credit.... Now just because I am not giving in to the ill-informed opinions and misinformation about the fourth commandment you term it opposition. I am not taking sides, but merely revealing the ignorance and exposing the truth about the keeping Saturday or Sunday as sabbath MZLady39:You know it is nothing personal, as I do understand you It's just me in that remark, being truthful and straightforward with you MZLady39:Keeping Saturday or Sunday for sabbath purposes is not part of the gospel God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ) preached The truth like this one, will set you free, but first, it will piss you off But it's a pity that sometimes, people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed and its now no wonder, everyone's pissed off when exposed to the truth that God whilst on earth (i.e. in the person of Jesus Christ) DID NOT EXPLICITLY command believers to keep Saturday or Sunday for sabbath |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Nobody: 9:08pm On Feb 26, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff, Oh was just being playful....but I can credit you for continuing a long and drawn out debate with my brothers. However, they don't need me to rescue them. They've got it. I'm at the point where no scripture will prove anything if a person's mind is closed. Sincerely pray and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal it to you. That's what I did. Was very shocked at first...but I love it now. It's not just about a day, however it's about obedience to Christ. |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by MuttleyLaff: 10:08pm On Feb 26, 2017 |
MZLady39:God is not unjust. He will not forget any work, not forget how hard we've worked for him and neither the labour of love, how we have shown our love to Him, by caring for other believers, in continuing exposing the brothers to truths MZLady39:You rescuing them was me writing with tongue in cheek You dont have diddly-squat on Jesus repeating keeping the sabbath, just like He repeated and commanded each of the remaing 9 commandments MZLady39:Forget proving, as if you're so sure of such verse, why cant you confidently paste it here, where the just one verse will do, for all to read and to eat the humble pie. SMH By the way, ''... if a person's mind is closed'', is exactly what 2 Corinthians 3:14, is echoing has happened to your stance in this whole matter MZLady39:Tbh, you're in self-delusion and you being obstinate, is like a washed pig returning to the mud MZLady39:Exactly. It's not just about a day, as it has nothing to do with the fourth commandment and this is what the law of liberty in Romans 14:5 is providing as clear evidence of. Check out Galatians 4:9-12 as well (i.e. New Living Translation) MZLady39:But you however, are unable to provide the red verse and thereby unable to show your obedience to Christ of Him, explicitly telling us, anywhere in the NT, to keep the 4th commandment |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by petra1(m): 11:31pm On Feb 27, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff: Christ is sabbath Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. IT's a place in Christ by revelation |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by MuttleyLaff: 7:16am On Feb 28, 2017 |
petra1: MZLady39: MuttleyLaff:Exactly petra1, Jesus, is the Lord of the Sabbath. He, as it were, is the Owner of the sabbath. and as Owner of the sabbath, you dont hear Jesus saying: Keep the sabbath Jesus never repeats the 4th commandment, the same way He explicitly repeats and commanded each of the other 9 commandments So, yeah, it's not just about a specific day, and it has nothing to do with the fourth commandment The law of liberty in Romans 14:5 is providing clear evidence that there is no specified day Galatians 4:9-12 (i.e. New Living Translation) on the other hand, criticises this on grounds of going back to weak and worthless principles |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(m): 1:55pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
petra1: Bro, you must not join others in peddling the word as a merchandise. I think you may be in a dilemma. As probably an ardent worshiper on Sunday, you have to somehow reassure yourself that it doesn't matter whether you worship on Sunday or Saturday. After all, you just know that "Christ is Sabbath". You don't have to deceive your own self. While it is true that Christ gives rest to His saints and that the Sabbath means "rest", it is also true that Christ and the Sabbath are two separate entity—Christ as the Author/Maker, and the Sabbath, what He made and ordained as a law that must be kept. It is important that you understand the difference. Hebrews 4:10 Did you suddenly went blind in verse 9 of this same chapter? You also have to see it: “There remains therefore a rest to the people of God.” The margin of the Oxford edition of the King James Version gives the correct meaning of the word translated “rest.” Translated from the Greek word Sabbatismos, it means “a keeping of a (the) Sabbath.” This verse, in its given context, should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath for the people of God.” Rather than being done away with, we find that the Sabbath still “remains.” In fact, this is how New International Version of the Bible renders it: “There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God.” Do you see how Paul is upholding the 4th commandment? It is no surprise! He (Paul) as well as the rest of the apostles and saints kept the Sabbath, just as Christ kept it and left them/us an example to follow in His steps (1 Peter 2:21). Interestingly enough, this is Paul talking. And we know that Paul did not “consult flesh and blood” (Galatians 1:16) but was directly instructed and taught by the Living Jesus Christ! And aside this fact, all Scriptures is given by inspiration of God (2 Timothy 3:16-17). So, what other proof does one then need to know that the keeping of the Sabbath as a day of rest still remains for the people of God  Anyway, I'm not unaware of the fact that these truths if accepted, exposes and shattered long held and cherished traditions of men. So, the carnal mind will rather continue with his traditions than accept God's commandments.IT's a place in Christ by revelation Sorry. On the contrary, whatever spirit gave you this revelation is not of God, obviously. |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Nobody: 5:28pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
Sir Splinz, Again well done... |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by blueAgent(m): 6:52pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
petra1: And how does this prove that the Sabbath is no longer valid? |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(m): 7:00pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
MZLady39: Thank you Ma. |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(m): 7:16pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
blueAgent: Oh, it was obviously an erroneous understanding. I've corrected the wrong impression. |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by MuttleyLaff: 9:29pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
Splinz:Whichever of any of two group of sabbatarians anyone is. Whether one is an observer of Saturday as sabbath or whether one is an observer of Sunday as a sabbath, you wont ever find in scriptures, Jesus nor the NT explicitly commanding anybody to keep Saturday or Sunday for sabbath Splinz:It is important that you understand that Jesus has absolute ownership of the sabbath, and that if keeping the sabbath was that important to Him, why then didnt He at least just once mention that the sabbath be keep It is on record that Jesus explicitly commanded obeying each of the other 9 commandments, but was silent on the 4th commandment Splinz:What! I cant believe you tried pulling wool over petra1's eye with this one of the sabbatarians' favourite lame stunt My dear brother Splinz, Paul as well as the rest of the apostles and saints DID NOT KEEP the Sabbath, just as Christ kept it Splinz:What other proof does one then need to know, other than, that the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth, for the Father seeks such to worship him. And God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth. Not worship Him on a Saturday as sabbath or on a Sunday as sabbath Splinz:I wonder what the long held and cherished traditions of men are which you thought you will be shattering Splinz:Hmmm....lobatan |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by MuttleyLaff: 9:29pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by petra1(m): 10:19pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
blueAgent: BUT are you aware that the early church were meeting on sundays, the book of revelation was given in a trance on sunday . |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Splinz(m): 10:32pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
petra1: Bro Petra, lets see what proofs you got for these two claims. |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by GodsMopol: 10:42pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
The Sabbath is a thing man has total control over, the Sabbath is not in any way to be a dictator Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Well, argue with the verse. Whether Sabbath or Sunday all that pleases God is fellowship |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by petra1(m): 10:52pm On Feb 28, 2017 |
Splinz: The early church worship on sundays which they called "The lords day" or first day of the week. 1 Corinthians 16:2 2 On the first day of each week, you should each put aside a portion of the money you have earned . . . John received the book of revelation why worshiping on Sunday Revelation 1:10 10 It was the Lord’s Day, and I was worshiping in the Spirit. Suddenly, I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet blast. Jesus appeared to the disciples many times when they were gathered on Sunday's . John 20:19 19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. He appeared the following week during Sunday meeting John 20:26 26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. Paul also talked about the needlessness of the sabbath worship Colossians 2:16 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 1 Like |
| Re: Who Authorized Sunday Worship? by Nobody: 2:40am On Mar 01, 2017 |
Oh MuttleyLaff, My brother....you have to get out and get some fresh air.....(meaning another thread). Take a break from this thread..venture out, spread your wings, post some comments.. and then, if you can't resist, please come back. From your sister...the lady musketeer in the trio |
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