absoluteSuccess:


I tot you are Yoruba na

Alright let me try.


This is my story.

baby124:

I am sad that you quote this, because this is actually a racist attempt at Frobenius to discount Yoruba ability. In essence he was saying that African's were not mentally capable of such art as the Ife heads because they were so well done. He said who ever must have created those heads must have come to Ife to create it and must be from the Race of the Atlantis people. W
e now know this race of the Atlantis people likely do not exist. Yoruba's made those heads and even researchers of today condemn Frobenius's racism.

ElsonMorali:


You are quite right.

Oduduwa was never referred to as Ooni, as a matter of fact, the first Ooni wasn't even his son.

All his children had dispersed to found their own kingdoms.

You're correct ma'am.

stubornnn:
There is not one single historical artifact as significant as this in the whole of the South East and I guess that's why the Igbos are constantly jealous of Yorubas....

....heck, they are not even sure whether they're Africans or Isrealites. Shame and inferiority complex has made them to trade their historical culture for a foreign one...

The irony of it all is that the Jews are unrepentant racists that would mostly avoid any genealogical links with black Africans if possible.

Amusaopeyemi:

Finally, someone that knows the truth. Thank you bro. That guy was just Lying and arguing Blindly. Saying things he doesn't know.

ebby9z:

Can you leave tribalism out if this very educative thread. I'm Yoruba and I'm ashamed of you

dannielight:


You sound like a historian. Claps

ElsonMorali:


First, there was nowhere in my post where I said Yorubas are Egyptians, old or new.

Second, of course everything is conjecture, even your own claim of Nok culture, unless you can tell us that you went back in time to find out. In other words no one knows anything for sure.

Third, some of the word comparison in the link may sound strange to you, but You'll be surprised that they sound very close to some other Yoruba dialects like Ondo and Ijebu, what we invariably refer to as ede adugbo in Yoruba.

So, that you don't recognize it doesn't mean it doesn't exist in Yoruba. Also it could be Ijinle Yoruba, deep or conc. Yoruba.

The researcher provides a strong case for his arguments and all I've done is to bring it out for a scholarly discussion. I hope you get that.

baby124:

How old is Islam in Yorubaland? That will answer your question as to how I came about 250yrs. There was a woman who was called Billkis by the locals. This is clearly a Muslim name.

Islam was not in Yorubaland at the building of Eredo. So, I hope you see the impossibility of a Billkis Sungbo building Eredo. Billkis Sungbo was obviously a strange figure. I could argue she may have had some form of mental illness to sleep in the bush around a deserted settlement. People were obviously in awe of her and had no knowledge of how Eredo came to be. They must have come to a conclusion that Billkis Sungbo must have built this strange settlement since she slept and survived in the area as a mysterious figure. We know African's tend to elevate mysterious things they don't understand.

Olu317:
What truth do you know? Stop this pathetic lies.. How many fact do your have about the descendant of Odu'a. Can you crave for his personality more than his Descendants?

absoluteSuccess:


Thanks pal.

We all are born in history and raised in history.

Amusaopeyemi:

Yo, Are you okay? Did I quote you? Find some other Girl to pick on if you're so jobless. Bully.

Amusaopeyemi:

Oduduwa was not the First Ooniririsha, it was after his death that they started using the "Ooni" title.

absoluteSuccess:
This is what I'm talking about, your intention is to rewrite a story, not a new story but a distortion of an old one to meet up with your preferred projection of a 'home-grown' Yoruba civilization. Sango was claimed to be versed in recitation of the quran, do you know when he reigned?



That's where you erred, is 'Algebra' an English word? No, its an Arabic name anglicized in form and rendition. Is 'Sufi' an Arabic word? No, its a word from greek 'philo-sophy, meaning 'wisdom'.

Stop the apparent profiling based on fluke premises. That name and the story is older than the prophet of Islam, being featured in quran does not make it muslim name. The builder is not a contemporary of the founders of Islam, its an example of ex-post-facto report. Mohammad was retelling an old bible story.



You can imagine how fraudulent you sound. Your need to rubbish Yoruba link with the rest of the world brought you to this conclusion, it also expose you of having no 'homegrown' analysis to structure a 'home-made' history.

You don't have the wherewithal of conceptualizing a sane history. Now you know who can really really forge a story. Forgery is bad, find something convincing in tradition to share as historical background for your worldview on history instead of feeding people with 'personal assumptions' as historical item.

baby124:

What a bloody lie. Sango versed in Quran? Pls respect yourself abeg. Sango is a traditional Yoruba god who is worshipped. I hope you know that. Stop trying to inject Islam in Yoruba culture. It's a relatively new concept to an old civilization.

GreatManBee:

What is Ijinle Yoruba please.?

GreatManBee:

What is Ijinle Yoruba please.?

Olu317:
It more of traditional Yoruba Language in which it is more archaic/ancient Yoruba and undiluted. In a layman term, old deep Yoruba word for referring to something or someone.

ElsonMorali:

thank you so much.

absoluteSuccess:


I'm not a muslim, I'm just telling you what you need to know. Don't be emotional with details that elude you. What translates to knowledge is what you have to share, not what you can deny.

You don't know much if you have nothing to share but everything to refute. Don't limit the history of the ancestors with your limited knowledge.

My post is meant to enlighten you of the proximity of islam to Yoruba culture and to demonstrate to you how the religion was seen as old the reign of Alaafin Sango. Your limited knowledge of Yoruba history is apparent.

Olu317:
It more of traditional Yoruba Language in which it is more archaic/ancient Yoruba and undiluted. In a layman term, old deep Yoruba word for referring to something or someone.

ElsonMorali:


ijinle pam pam. Lol.

Bro, i've already given an indication about what i mean by ijinle in that same sentence.

GreatManBee:



Thanks. I once met a elderly man in home town, Ondo state precisely. He spoke some deep Yoruba language. My friend and I thought it was an incantation but he told us it's the Ijinle Yoruba language that he was speaking. I was amazed. This Ijinle Yoruba is much deeper and may not be understood by some new age Yoruba people.

absoluteSuccess:


Thanks pal.

We all are born in history and raised in history.

GreatManBee:



Thanks. I once met a elderly man in home town, Ondo state precisely. He spoke some deep Yoruba language. My friend and I thought it was an incantation but he told us it's the Ijinle Yoruba language that he was speaking. I was amazed. This Ijinle Yoruba is much deeper and may not be understood by some new age Yoruba people.

baby124:

Lmao. You come here and tell so many strange fallacies. Please I don't even understand what your problem is but don't quote me again. What bullshit is this abeg. Sango a Muslim. Hahahahaha. Gather shame and self esteem abeg. You lack critical reasoning skills. If Sango was a Muslim, his followers would be Muslim and not worship him. You see how what you wrote there cannot even make any sense. All you revisionist desperate to infuse Christianity and Islam into traditional Yoruba culture must be shut down immediately because you are destroying the history.

dannielight:


You can say that again. Yours is with precision. Kinda got me liking history and especially the person behind those keypad. Admirable I must say

Olu317:
You do have a point but know it that, Yoruba won't start provocation unless it was done by the other party. Why blame him if he (stubbornnn)refer to South East as not having something close what we have in Yoruba land ? Isn't it true, comparing the two groups? We are blessed differently and this is the fact. Some thing happened in Borno state, when I saw a thread on the Death of one Oguntoye (Lieutenant in the Nigeria military),who was killed by Boko Haram two weeks ago or so . I was very mad at the way some South Eastern people of Nigeria on that thread reacted to his death as if he wasn't a human being, a Yoruba man and presently, a Nigerian who took up the role to defend Nigeria with his blood . Take for instance ,one of these guys mentioned him as “one Afonja gone" without considering the sorrow that would have befell his family . How would you feel reading such information ? I don't personally believe in provocative term unless my right is infringed upon. Looking at the root of the matter should always be why an action is taken and not the aftermath reaction....It is well.

ebby9z:

You're wrong. Very wrong. Your submission is premised on a very flawed principle. Doing what the others do doesn't make you different, irrespective of who started it. If someone assaults me physically and I retaliate immediately in like fashion, can I still file an assault and battery case against him in court? No. What I'm saying is you don't justify your action with a precedence from the other party. If you do something wrong, it's because you had it in you, not because someone did it first.
Moreover, this is an educative thread about Yoruba history and culture, a Yoruba is the last person I expect to introduce shameless and crass tribalism here. You know what? I'm a young person but I have this extreme disdain and rupugnance for those whose one purpose on Nairaland is is to check names and argue about tribes. I think they are senseless and totally ignorant. And it's shameful when people supposedly older engage in it

Olu317:
This is my last submission on this so I won't derail the purpose here. Let some one loved by your family get killed fighting for his country and one slowpoke else where from another tribe or ethnicity call him a senseless name. Then I hope to see your reaction. And I am definitely sure, you are in the like manner of Gov. Aregbosola attitude who couldn't see equal justice against the aggressor when issue happened at ILE IFE in the recent past days. After all, his lukewarm action gave the security agents the opportunity to rubbish his office as the chief security officer of his state. You just reminded of the kind of Yoruba that the Ibos tagged “COWARD" online. Have you knowledge on what is referred to as anger management? If someone vent out his or her anger online based on self experience, does it mean, he shouldn't do so? Have you seen many propaganda being spread around by some Ibos? I am tempted to infer here that you aren't Yoruba. Period.
So, you believe refusing to engage in tribalistic e-wars makes me a coward and as you said probably not Yoruba? By your statement, defending your tribe is when you use derogatory terms for other tribes or launch a full scale war on "Igbos, liepods, Ugandan Jews" as you call Ibos. Well, I should just reserve my comment

codemaniacs:


typing in caps is not wise...

there were two ya-ruba dynasties... one in "eastern Africa"(now called the middle' east) and the other in western Africa... that was why during the exodus known to yorubas as Oduduwa(which means from black or dark skinned have arrived) the ones in east Africa knew exactly where to settle...

as I told the other guy... e-gypt and i-sreal are new creations to validate religion.. before the invasion of Africa there was no e-gypt and i-sreal.. never use religious books to verify Africas' history.. yorubas were never i-sreal-ites..

Yoruba language is older than earth... it's the language of the gods, goddesses and the creators of earth..

Olu317:
Yoruba language older than the earth yet Yoruba language wasn't known as being old enough to compete with some African languages. Even, Ibo language is older than Yoruba language. You make me laugh!