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Gandhi Was A Racist. by Hero(m): 2:19am On Jan 24, 2007
[QUOTE]One anomaly of modern liberalism is that it elevates scoundrels to be heroes, and denigrates heroes into scoundrels. And when it cannot do that, liberalism simply lies.

Such is the case with one of liberalism's icons, Mahatma Gandhi. All over the world, the Indian leader Gandhi is held up as an icon of peace, pacifism, tolerance and brotherly love. Statues are erected to him, his "example" is taught to Western school children, and Hollywood has even made a film about him. In all of these instances, Gandhi is portrayed as the ultimate peacemaker, the role model of multi-culturalism.

[B]Sadly, liberalism and the truth have seldom met. For in reality, Gandhi was a first-class Indian racist who despised not only Blacks, but also lower-caste Indians![/B]

Those who have been subjected to the "conventional" Gandhi propaganda will know that he was born in India, studied to become an attorney in England, spent many years "organizing passive resistance" in South Africa, and then returned to India to lead the passive resistance movement against British rule in that country. He was finally assassinated by one of his own kind.

Gandhi - the Anti-Black Racist

Lying in both the publicly accessible archives of the South African state records in Pretoria and in the Johannesburg public library are full sets of the newspaper which Gandhi started in that country: the Indian Opinion. In addition, the Indian government has built an Internet site dedicated to Gandhi, and much of his writing is now available online as well. From these, and the official compilation of Gandhi's writings, the Collected Works, the true face of Gandhi emerges: an anti-Black Indian racist!

"The Raw Kaffir" - Gandhi Describing the Blacks

When Gandhi addressed a public meeting in Bombay on September 26, 1896, he had the following to say about the Indian struggle in South Africa:[1]

[B]"Ours is one continued struggle against degradation sought to be inflicted upon us by the European, who desire to degrade us to the level of the raw Kaffir, whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with, and then pass his life in indolence and unclothedness."[/B]

In 1904, opposing the then white British South African government's plan to draw up a register of all non-Whites in the urban areas, Gandhi wrote about natives who do not work:[2]

[B]"It is one thing to register natives who would not work, and whom it is very difficult to find out if they absent themselves, but it is another thing -and most insulting - to expect decent, hard-working, and respectable Indians, whose only fault is that they work too much, to have themselves registered and carry with them registration badges."[/B]

Commenting on a piece of legislation planned by the white Natal Municipal authority, called the Natal Municipal Corporation Bill, Gandhi wrote in his newspaper, the Indian Opinion, on March 18, 1905:[3]

[B]"Clause 200 makes provision for registration of persons belonging to uncivilized races, resident and employed within the Borough. One can understand the necessity of registration of Kaffirs who will not work, but why should registration be required for indentured Indians who have become free, and for their descendants about whom the general complaint is that they work too much?"[/B]

"The Native - Little Benefit to the State" - Gandhi

[B]The Indian Opinion published an editorial on September 9, 1905, under the heading "The relative Value of the Natives and the Indians in Natal." In it, Gandhi referred to a speech made by Rev. Dube, an early African nationalist, who said that an African had the capacity for improvement, if only the Whites would give them the opportunity. In his response, Gandhi suggested:[4]

"A little judicious extra taxation would do no harm; in the majority of cases it compels the native to work for at least a few days a year."[/B]

Then he added:[4]

[B]"Now let us turn our attention to another and entirely unrepresented community - the Indian. He is in striking contrast with the native. While the native has been of little benefit to the State, it owes its prosperity largely to the Indians. While native loafers abound on every side, that species of humanity is almost unknown among Indians here."[/B]
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"Indian Ranked Lower than the Rawest Native"

[B]In their petitions against the Natal franchise bill, the Indians, with Gandhi as their spokesman, complained that "the Bill would rank the Indian lower than the rawest Native." In attempting to protect their own position, they believed they had to separate themselves from the native Blacks.[8] In addition, other prominent Indians, all colleagues of Gandhi, frequently complained of being mixed in with Natives in railway cars, lavatories, pass laws, and in other regulations.[8] Recalling his time in a Transvaal prison in October 1908, Gandhi said later that he spent the "first night in the company of some Kaffir criminals, wild-looking, murderous, vicious, lewd and uncouth[/B]."


Gandhi and Race

[B]Gandhi was, despite modern propaganda, acutely aware of the differences between races, as this letter to W.T. Stead, an English friend of his in London, written in 1906, clearly shows:

"As you were good enough to show very great sympathy with the cause of British Indians in the Transvaal, may I suggest your using your influence with the Boer leaders in the Transvaal? I feel certain that they did not share the same prejudice against British Indians as against the Kaffir races but as the prejudice against Kaffir races in a strong form was in existence in the Transvaal at the time when the British Indians immigrated there, the latter were immediately lumped together with the Kaffir races and described under the generic term 'Coloured people'. Gradually the Boer mind was habituated to this qualification and it refused to recognize the evident and sharp distinctions that undoubtedly exist between British Indians and the Kaffir races in South Africa."[/B]

Indeed, Gandhi remarked about the issue of taxation of Indians in South Africa that [B]"A Kaffir is to be taxed because he does not work enough: an Indian is to be taxed because he works too much." Writing about a law which was designed to restrict Indian movement in the British Cape Colony, Gandhi objected on the basis that it dragged Indians "down with the Kaffir[/B]." He wrote:[12]

[B]"The bye-law has its origin in the alleged or real, impudent and, in some cases, indecent behaviour of the Kaffirs. But, whatever the charges are against the British Indians, no one has ever whispered that the Indians behave otherwise than as decent men. But, as it is the wont in this part of the world, they have been dragged down with the Kaffir without the slightest justification."[/B]

Gandhi Was Aware of the Abusive Nature of his Words

[B]In what context did Gandhi use this word "Kaffir," which is most certainly a term of abuse? Gandhi himself understood full well the word's meaning. He himself commented in later life as follows when commenting upon another person's use of the word to describe a Christian:[13]

"And finally, about Mr. Douglas who, as I have stated above, has tendered his resignation. The gentleman has been simply overhasty. He took offence at the Maulana Saheb's use of the word kaffir for a Christian. I can understand his resentment. It would have been better if the word kaffir were not used."[/B]
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"The Prominent Race"

[B]In the Government Gazette of Natal for Feb. 28 1905, a Bill was published regulating the use of fire-arms by Blacks and Indians. Commenting on the Bill, Gandhi wrote in his newspaper, the Indian Opinion on March 25, 1905:[15]

"In this instance of the fire-arms, the Asiatic has been most improperly bracketed with the natives. The British Indian does not need any such restrictions as are imposed by the Bill on the natives regarding the carrying of fire-arms. The prominent race can remain so by preventing the native from arming himself. Is there a slightest vestige of justification for so preventing the British Indian?"[/B]

Gandhi, like many caste-conscious Indians (he was born to a fairly high shop-owner caste) was all in favor of segregation from the Blacks. [B]His reaction to a petition to the King launched by non-Whites in South Africa in 1906, demanding voting rights, reveals this attitude clearly:[16]

"It seems that the petition is being widely circulated, and signatures are being taken of all colored people in the three colonies named. The petition is non-Indian in character, although British Indians, being colored people, are very largely affected by it. We consider that it was a wise policy on the part of the British Indians throughout South Africa, to have kept themselves apart and distinct from the other colored communities in this country."[/B]

The Famous Train Incident

[COLOR="Red"]In the Hollywood film made about Gandhi, much emphasis was placed on a scene where he was arrested for riding in a South African railroad coach reserved for Whites. This incident did indeed occur, but for very different reasons than those the film portrayed! For the liberal myth is that Gandhi was protesting at the exclusion of non-Whites from the railroad coach: in fact, he was trying to persuade the authorities to let ONLY upper caste Indians ride with the Whites.[/COLOR]

[B]It was never Gandhi's intention to let Blacks, or even lower-caste Indians, share the White compartment! Here, in Gandhi's own words, are his comments on this famous incident, complete with reference to upper-caste Indians, whom he differentiated from lower-caste Indians by calling the former "clean":[17]

"You say that the magistrate's decision is unsatisfactory because it would enable a person, however unclean, to travel by a tram, and that even the Kaffirs would be able to do so. But the magistrate's decision is quite different. The Court declared that the Kaffirs have no legal right to travel by tram. And according to tram regulations, those in an unclean dress or in a drunken state are prohibited from boarding a tram. Thanks to the Court's decision, only clean Indians or colored people other than Kaffirs, can now travel in the trams."[/B]

Gandhi Supported Segregation

[B]It is also a myth to presume that Gandhi was opposed to racial segregation. Witness this piece of his writing, published in his newspaper, Indian Opinion, of February 15, 1905. It was a letter to the white Johannesburg Medical Officer of Health, a Dr. Porter, concerning the fact that Blacks had been allowed to settle in an Indian residential area:[18]

"Why, of all places in Johannesburg, the Indian location should be chosen for dumping down all Kaffirs of the town, passes my comprehension. Of course, under my suggestion, the Town Council must withdraw the Kaffirs from the Location. About this mixing of the Kaffirs with the Indians I must confess I feel most strongly. I think it is very unfair to the Indian population, and it is an undue tax on even the proverbial patience of my countrymen."[/B]

Gandhi's Support for "Purity of Race"

[B]In response to the rise of white nationalist politics, which stressed racial separation, Gandhi wrote in his Indian Opinion of September 24, 1903:[19]

"We believe as much in the purity of race as we think they do, only we believe that they would best serve these interests, which are as dear to us as to them, by advocating the purity of all races, and not one alone. We believe also that the white race of South Africa should be the predominating race."[/B]

On December 24, 1903, Gandhi added this in his Indian Opinion newspaper:[20]

[B]"The petition dwells upon `the co-mingling of the colored and white races.' May we inform the members of the Conference that so far as British Indians are concerned, such a thing is particularly unknown. If there is one thing which the Indian cherishes more than any other, it is the purity of type."[/B]

And yet the liberal delusion over Gandhi lives on!
http://www.vho.org/tr/2004/2/Kemp184-186.html [/QUOTE]

Snakes in the grass. Next I might present to you how Lincoln really didn't like blacks all that much either.
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by 4 Play(m): 4:36am On Jan 24, 2007
Not particularly suprising.Although in his defence,one can say that he was a product of his time
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by WesleyanA(f): 4:41am On Jan 24, 2007
Yeah that's all true (he once even refused to let his ill family members to drink milk even though they were dying. just because it's a sin to drink milk that comes from an animal. lol) but:
Mohandas Gandhi is celebrated not for these facts but for his pivotal role as a non violent leader of Indian independence. that's all that matters the most.

Abe signed the end of slavery. That's one of the greatest accomplishments he's known for. The fact you'll provide won't overshadow that.
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by Donzman(m): 5:07am On Jan 24, 2007
I knew this awhile back, the guy was a stone cold racist and for some reason, no one wants to mention it.

WesleyanA:

Yeah that's all true (he once even refused to let his ill family members to drink milk even though they were dying. just because it's a sin to drink milk that comes from an animal. lol) but:
Mohandas Gandhi is celebrated not for these facts but for his pivotal role as a non violent leader of Indian independence. that's all that matters the most.



So leading India to independence overshadows the fact that he's racist? undecided
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by WesleyanA(f): 6:18am On Jan 24, 2007
his racist beliefs were also held by many people of his time (like 4 play said, it was the product of his time. not many people had a non-racist opinion about blacks in 1901)
But then again not many people sacrificed or worked as hard for indian independence from britain as he did. as far as i'm concerned




Yeah the propaganda was bad ('cause i remember when i was like 8 or 9. we all thought he was some kind of saint). lol
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by Ndipe(m): 8:06am On Jan 24, 2007
Product of the time? Puhllease, how about one becomes a radical by refusing to conforms to the norms of society that was racist towards blacks. Martin Luther King would have accepted his station and refused to partake in the civil rights movements. William Wilberforce could have done the same thing too, (duing the era when slavery was acceptable) and refused to partake in the abolishment of slavery. His was an anomaly, because he choosed to fight for a different ethnic group that he did not belong to. A hero is one who absolutely resists conforming to the times when injustice was acceptable.

In Nigeria, it is still acceptable for husbands to beat their wives in the village. Tell me, would you willingly adhere to this barbaric custom because it is commonly accepted in the villages? Cant answer for you, but if you happen to know what is right and what is wrong, then why choose to endorse the wrongful part, because it is the 'products of one's era'.
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by Seun(m): 11:37am On Jan 24, 2007
Martin Luther King was no saint, either. Neither was Abraham Lincoln or Pa Awolowo. Political "heroes" suck.
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by toshmann(m): 12:12pm On Jan 24, 2007
Seun:

Martin Luther King was no saint, either. Neither was Abraham Lincoln or Pa Awolowo. Political "heroes" suck.

i hear you. but the issue is, gandhi was a racist. . . . and that is inexcusable

4 Play:

Not particularly suprising.Although in his defence,one can say that he was a product of his time

okay o, ossama bin laden was a product of his generation. undecided we should not blame him so much . . . undecided in fact he is a saint. . . somehow. . . . undecided abi ? undecided
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by WesleyanA(f): 1:12am On Jan 26, 2007
Ndipe:

Product of the time? Puhllease, how about one becomes a radical by refusing to conforms to the norms of society that was racist towards blacks. Martin Luther King would have accepted his station and refused to partake in the civil rights movements. William Wilberforce could have done the same thing too, (duing the era when slavery was acceptable) and refused to partake in the abolishment of slavery. His was an anomaly, because he choosed to fight for a different ethnic group that he did not belong to. A hero is one who absolutely resists conforming to the times when injustice was acceptable.

In Nigeria, it is still acceptable for husbands to beat their wives in the village. Tell me, would you willingly adhere to this barbaric custom because it is commonly accepted in the villages? Cant answer for you, but if you happen to know what is right and what is wrong, then why choose to endorse thewrongful part, because it is the 'products of one's era'.


Yes Gandhi did something awfully wrong.


but
even you declare Gandhi a hero yourself:
"A hero is one who absolutely resists conforming to the times when injustice was acceptable."
He resisted the British control of India and worked for his country's independence.



btway, MLK cheated on his wife (that's inexcusable). should that push him out of his hero status? Should it overshadow his accomplishments?


so pretty much, heroes are known for the great things they accomplished.
but not all heroes are perfect as we assume (and i guess that's what this thread serves to tell us)
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by Donzman(m): 1:17am On Jan 26, 2007
@WesleyanA

Your liberalism is getting on my last nerves because your excuse makes no sense.

By product of time, I mean doing stuff that's the norm.
For example, polygamy in Africa. many of us have families with people /or know people who grew up in polygamous families
will we then say that these our ansestors were were horrible snakes in the grass who have no hearts ?

How can you compare racism to polygamy?. . .Even up until today, there are still people who feel that there's nothing wrong with polygamy and I can reason with them.

If the norm excuses every past racist behaviour, why do we complain about Jim Crow?. . .He's a product of his time so he isn't to blame. He's only trying to protect his white race, huh?

you even declare Gandhi a hero yourself:
"A hero is one who absolutely resists conforming to the times when injustice was acceptable."
He resisted the British control of India and worked for his country's independence.

Yeah, a hero who will fight injustice against Indians but doesn't bother with injustice against blacks. Hero my bum, he's just another racist who felt that his people were being treated like blacks who they were better than.

btway, MLK cheated on his wife. should that push him out of his hero status? Should it overshadow his accomplishments?

Hell no because cheating on a wife does not compare to castigating a whole group of people based on the colour of their skin.
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by lakers: 1:35am On Jan 26, 2007
your liberalism is getting on my last nerves because your excuse makes no sense.


aint she allowed to express herself
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by WesleyanA(f): 1:40am On Jan 26, 2007
I've modified my post. lol

Donzman:

@WesleyanA

Your liberalism is getting on my last nerves because your excuse makes no sense.

How can you compare racism to polygamy?. . .Even up until today, there are still people who feel that there's nothing wrong with polygamy and I agree with that. If that's the case, why do we complain about Jim Crow?. . .He's a product of his time. He was a racist, end of story!

Yeah, a hero who will fight injustice against Indians but doesn't bother with injustice against blacks. Hero my bum, he's just another racist who felt that his people were being treated like blacks who they were better than.

Hell no because cheating on a wife does not compare to castigating a whole group of people based on the colour of their skin.


I wasn't making an excuse for him. I was only saying that his racist position still doesn't change the fact that he is a hero/ did great things.
I've modified my post to make it clearer

I agree with some of your points though.

How about he's an Indian Hero!?
Not my (or other blacks') hero
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by Donzman(m): 1:44am On Jan 26, 2007
I wasn't making an excuse for him. I was only saying that his racist position still doesn't change the fact that he is a hero/ did great things.
I've modified my post to make it clearer

I agree with some of your points though.

How about he's an Indian Hero!?
Not my (or other blacks') hero

Yeah just like many any other white racist out there can be viewed as a hero. What's the difference between what he did and what any other stone cold racist was trying to do?. . .Hero for his people, definitely not a global hero.
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by WesleyanA(f): 1:53am On Jan 26, 2007
it can be argued for that he's a global hero though.
he inspired Martin Luther King to follow a non-violence course.
he also inspired Steve Biko, a south african anti-apartheid activist.
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by NINETOFIVE(m): 4:14am On Jan 26, 2007
This Ghandi's mentality still flourish in India today, the dark skin Indians are seeing hell in India, how can somebody be racially abused in his own country, is only from an Indian you would hear a silly word like ''my girl friend is beautiful though she is not light in complexion, bleaching is very pravelent in Indian, and they are the greatest fans of ''Micheal Jacksion'', bleaching is not helping them any more because of climate change that started in India when people don't even know what climate change is all about, they are already running in deficit of light skin people, so the bolly wood film industry resulted in Recruiting their actors from Britain within the the Indians that are mixed with white, if they result into using actors from India then they would white wash the film with a lot of white colour just to dissimulate the fact that they look white, if you watch MAX TV, you would loose every respect you have for the Indians, and this is why somebody said to the Indian woman in Big brother that she is dog because she wants to look white, Indians are Nut cases in the act of wanting to be white.
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by Seun(m): 3:23pm On Jan 26, 2007
Martin Luther King was a serial plaigarist and fornicator. This is unacceptable.
Pa Awolowo was a corrupt politician. Corruption is also unacceptable.
Some of the famous US presidents of old were racist and even kept slaves. Quite unacceptable.

Let's stop worshipping political heroes. Otherwise, a proper study of history will lead to dissapoinment.
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by Donzman(m): 8:58pm On Jan 26, 2007
NB: As for Ghandi, while I as a black man agree he was a racist, somebody rightly also said he was a product of his time. But to Indians, was he racist? No. I wish Nigeria will have a a leader who is "racist" in that he loves his own citizens more than the interest of World Bank/IMF/WTO to lift Nigerians out of poverty through people friendly or pro-equity policies!!!

Bullshit, it would have been great if Ghandi was prejudiced against the whites who oppressed Indians. NO, he was prejudiced and racist against blacks who were going through the same predicament as he was. In his opinion, he and fellow Indians are way better than blacks and do not deserve the treatment they're getting (blacks deserve the treatment according to Ghandi).

If that is the case, then Hitler can justify his behaviour. He loves his pure Germans and wants to get rid of anything impure, d'uhh!

What do I expect?. . .You're justifying tribalism as long as it helps the tribe involved, if that is the case, tribalism, racism, terrorism are all acceptable as long it helps the people the tribalist/racist/terrorist is fighting for.
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by toshmann(m): 9:52pm On Jan 26, 2007
how can a normal human being with brains in his cranium say, after hearing these facts about gandhi, that he is still a hero? what constitutes a hero? he may be a hero to light skinned indians, but not to blacks whom he insulted, haba, how can we blacks in this forum call him a hero after hearing what he said.

he may be a global hero, but to toshmann, he is nothing but another prophet of hate angry

na me talk am cool
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by WesleyanA(f): 12:15am On Jan 27, 2007
Seun:

Martin Luther King was a serial plaigarist and fornicator. This is unacceptable.
Pa Awolowo was a corrupt politician. Corruption is also unacceptable.
Some of the famous US presidents of old were racist and even kept slaves. Quite unacceptable.

Let's stop worshipping political heroes. Otherwise, a proper study of history will lead to dissapoinment.

I agree that many of the heroes we have are idolized and what not
but it's okay when you're a kid. lol grin
I wouldn't like to hear about gandhi being racist as a little kid. That'll hurt my feelings

I guess that's what separates popular media from insightful media


If that is the case, then Hitler can justify his behaviour. He loves his pure Germans and wants to get rid of anything impure, d'uhh!

Talk about someone who's not making sense. lol tongue
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by WesleyanA(f): 12:20am On Jan 27, 2007
toshmann:

how can a normal human being with brains in his cranium say, after hearing these facts about gandhi, that he is still a hero? what constitutes a hero? he may be a hero to light skinned indians, but not to blacks whom he insulted, haba, how can we blacks in this forum call him a hero after hearing what he said.

he may be a global hero, but to toshmann, he is nothing but another prophet of hate angry

na me talk am cool

I share some of your opinions too but
Martin Luther King thought of him as a hero though.

He sure was a prophet of hate no doubt (and Independence) how do you mix this.
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by Aggressa(m): 12:23am On Jan 27, 2007
@"Dumb"man and his brother,
I am not surprised at your Reverse-IQ interpretation and understanding: you've never shown much wisdom on this forum. If your ignorant conclusion from my post above is justifying 'tribalism', then your reasoning is defective.
I believe you arrived at that conclusion not from comment on Ghandi, but from my comment on Awolowo.

Donzman:

Bullshit, it would have been great if Ghandi was prejudiced against the whites who oppressed Indians. NO, he was prejudiced and racist against blacks who were going through the same predicament as he was.
,,,,,,,,,,,,What do I expect?. . .You're justifying tribalism as long as it helps the tribe involved,

Your comment showed that your opinion is based ONLY on what you read from the post; how ridiculous and illogical is that. I said I agree Ghandi was racist, no doubt! My simple opinion is while we can call him racist, to almost all his own people he was not, simple. You can not compare that to Hitler that even his own people, Germans, recognise him as a mad man. But probably because of your "problem" with my writing on Awolowo, you refuse to see that difference. That's the problem with narrow-mindedness: you see the world only through one prism-yours!!. Read a little bit more about him and you'll have a better understanding.

WesleyanA:

This post says it all!
except the "racist" Nigerian Leader part. I'll call this make-up leader "dedicated."

@wesleyan,
you are quite smart: that's why I put the racist in quotes. I read somewhere that you are a recent high-school graduate or still a student, you are showing much wisdom than a lot of these university graduate who cannot read in between the lines. Keep it up, my dear
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by toshmann(m): 12:29am On Jan 27, 2007
WesleyanA:

I share some of your opinions too but
Martin Luther King thought of him as a hero though.

He sure was a prophet of hate no doubt (and Independence) how do you mix this.

i'm not convinced martin luther knew about his anti african racist utterances.

how do I mix it? prophet of hate to me, prophet of independence to the indians. talk of one man's meat. . . . .
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by kobe(m): 12:33am On Jan 27, 2007
Def @ Hero:
1. a man of distinguished courage or ability, admired for his brave deeds and noble qualities.
2. a person who, in the opinion of others, has heroic qualities or has performed a heroic act and is regarded as a model or ideal: He was a local hero when he saved the drowning child.
3. the principal male character in a story, play, film, etc.
4. Classical Mythology. a. a being of godlike prowess and beneficence who often came to be honored as a divinity.
b. (in the Homeric period) a warrior-chieftain of special strength, courage, or ability.
c. (in later antiquity) an immortal being; demigod.

1. In mythology and legend, a man, often of divine ancestry, who is endowed with great courage and strength, celebrated for his bold exploits, and favored by the gods.
2. A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life: soldiers and nurses who were heroes in an unpopular war.
3. A person noted for special achievement in a particular field: the heroes of medicine.

1 a : a mythological or legendary figure often of divine descent endowed with great strength or ability b : an illustrious warrior c : a man admired for his achievements and noble qualities d : one that shows great courage
2 a : the principal male character in a literary or dramatic work b : the central figure in an event, period, or movement
3 plural usually heros : SUBMARINE 2
4 : an object of extreme admiration and devotion : IDOL


p.s.: I agree with the title of the topic, Ghandi was racist
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by WesleyanA(f): 12:42am On Jan 27, 2007
toshmann:

i'm not convinced martin luther knew about his anti african racist utterances.


I doubt that he did too.
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by Donzman(m): 12:51am On Jan 27, 2007
@Havila

Ok, so what is your conclusion?. . .Ghandi is racist but we can forgive him because he was useful to his people?

My simple opinion is while we can call him racist, to almost all his own people he was not, simple.

Who cares?. . .You think whites back in the day didn't think Jim Crow was cool? Does that suddenly make him a man of esteem?

Infact if you're not trying to justify tribalism/racism, what the hell is your point?

Your comment showed that your opinion is based ONLY on what you read from the post; how ridiculous and illogical is that.

You're asking me why my response to your post is based solely on what you posted?. . .How silly can you get?. . .Pull your head out of that stinking racism justifying Bottom of yours.
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by Donzman(m): 1:04am On Jan 27, 2007
@Havila and WesleyanA

I'm still trying to figure out what you guys are trying to say if not; Yeah he's racist but it's allright since he helped Indians he's a hero. 

I don't see how I can tolerate someone who was complaining not because he was being treated badly but because he's being placed on the same level as blacks?. . .That's scumbag to the 100th stinking degree!
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by Aggressa(m): 1:13am On Jan 27, 2007
@Dumbman,
that's why I said you do not have much wisdom and even display less than youhave but with noise!

Donzman:

@Havila

(1) Ok, so what is your conclusion?. . .Ghandi is racist but we can forgive him because he was useful to his people?

(2) Who cares?. . .You think whites back in the day didn't think Jim Crow was cool? Does that suddenly make him a man of esteem?

Response to 1: learn from your brother who seems to be grasping how to look at the world from other peoples perspective.
toshmann:

how do I mix it? prophet of hate to me, prophet of independence to the indians. talk of one man's meat. . . . .
Forgive? that's not the point! you are so shallow grin

Response to 2: So what do whites "now in the present day" think of Jim Crow? cool? Is he esteemed by his own people! Indeed, you are a very good example of an "educated illitrate"
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by toshmann(m): 1:17am On Jan 27, 2007
Donzman:

I don't see how I can tolerate someone who was complaining not because he was being treated badly but because he's being placed on the same level as blacks?. . .That's scumbag to the 100th stinking degree!
i disagree. it's scumbag to the 1000th stinking and rotten degree cool
and many indians in the UK have this dislike of being treated as same level as blacks. they can't even realise that racism is against minorities here, all they are interested is in showing that blacks are worse off. now i know the origin of that mentality.

then they got the hit from celebrity big brother when the white girl carelessly let them know how the west sees them
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by Donzman(m): 1:22am On Jan 27, 2007
Havila:

@Dumbman,
that's why I said you do not have much wisdom and even display less than youhave but with noise!

Response to 1: learn from your brother who seems to be grasping how to look at the world from other peoples perspective.Forgive? that's not the point! you are so shallow



Why should I forgive a racist?. . .What is there to forgive? He didn't hurt me, he thinks he's and will always be better than I am because I'm black. There is nothing to forgive there!

Last I checked I'm not Indian, Indian independence has nothing to do with me. Indians are still racist towards blacks and Dalits in this day and age. Maybe if Ghandi preached tolerance amongst people irregardless of colour, Indians would have followed and Dalits amongst them wouldn't be castigated today?. . .Use your brains my friend, many Indians today are living through the same prejudices and racist sentiments propagated by folks like Ghandi.

You really thought you were making sense, you're not even an intellectual. You're arguing nothing here, I insist, what is your point?

Ghandi is a racist scumbag, end of story. Stop wagging your tongue at me, I have no bones for you silly dog!

toshmann:

i disagree. it's scumbag to the 1000th stinking and rotten degree cool
and many indians in the UK have this dislike of being treated as same level as blacks. they can't even realise that racism is against minorities here, all they are interested is in showing that blacks are worse off. now i know the origin of that mentality.

then they got the hit from celebrity big brother when the white girl carelessly let them know how the west sees them

Thank you my brother, many Indians still have the same racist mentality that Ghandi had and this silly dog Havila is here preaching what I do not understand. If Ghandi preached tolerance and love for all races, maybe Indians will take over the same virtues?. . .Anyone who preaches racism and division isn't my friend and not my hero. He's a hero to Indians and they do not mind his racism because they've the same entrenched in their customs and traditions through the caste system.

Havila, you're not as smart as you think, go and lick your sore wounds.
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by Aggressa(m): 1:31am On Jan 27, 2007
grin
@Dumbman; you are just acting out your name. When you get emotional, you loose sense of judgement but you whether emotional or not; you've never had much sense.
Olodo, alai l'eko, omo gutter! tongue
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by Donzman(m): 1:37am On Jan 27, 2007
Havila:

grin
@Dumbman; you are just acting out your name. When you get emotional, you loose sense of judgement but you whether emotional or not; you've never had much sense.
Olodo, alai l'eko, omo gutter! tongue

You still haven't answered the questions posed to you, true sign of a man with deep lack of knowledge about world events and a deficient thought process. Sorry for you, don't come at Donzman if you're not intelligent because all you'll up doing is making a fool of your sorry Bottom self.

@WesleyanA

Your product of his time argument does not work. Ghandi was racist who believed that blacks were less than human and the idea is his alone. Why wasn't he a product of his time when it came to Indians? undecided. . .Why did he believe that Indians were somehow special?. . .Food for thought, eat it with hot pepper.
Re: Gandhi Was A Racist. by kobe(m): 1:52am On Jan 27, 2007
I'll lend some insight into this dispute for what it truly is:

Ghandi was racist
Ghandi was a hero

Gandhi like many of us - had two sides to him. He was both a libertarian struggle hero and a racist. The younger Gandhi was racist, the older Gandhi morphed into a hero for some of the oppressed.

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