fratermathy:


Our "Okos" are in Ikale, Ilaje, Ilesa, Oro and Ijebu. These "Okos" are unnamed because they are not incorporated into the Yoruba polity. They are still strangers. The villages are built around each other, are made up of an average of 10-20 houses and are headed by someone who answers to the Baale of the owners of the farm land they have settled on. The "Okos" are much in number and many are whittling away because they are returning home again. The few that are remaining are there because of other business concerns. They will eventually return.

God forbids that Urhobos become like Igbos to claim another man's land or identity!!!

But Egbon, you dull sha o. This simple thing I've been explaining, you just can't get!

bigfrancis21:
So many misconceptions going on in this thread.

1) from my own research Warri seems to originally been attributed to the Jekris or Itshekiris. That is the original landmass known as Warri or 'iwerre'. However, it has growwn today to a larger city incorporating towns/lands from neighboring tribes.

2) Urhobo-Isoko cannot be the 5 largest tribe in Nigeria. Frathermarthy lumped together urhobo and isoko as one to bump up the population to 5th place but these two groups see themselves differently. Efiks/Ibibios and all Ijaw groups would have to come first in terms of numbers, and maybe some middle-belt groups before Urhobo-Isoko lumped together. Separating both, Urhobo alone may stand at number 10, no more than no 20 in terms of population.

3) Frathermarthy, isn't it interesting that you're trying desperately to claim Isokos (who see themselves differently) as Urhobos but few days ago paraded a thread on NL on how Aniomas are different from Igbo? Like the English say, you can't eat your cake and have it. Isokos declared their independence from Urhobo several decades back. Unfortunately, that's what it is. On the eastern side, Ika and Ukwuani, although Igbo-speaking, may identify as a separate ethnic group. They have their rights to self-determination.

Alexis11:


Ignore him.

I know one of these settlements in Oyere (Ife North LG area of Osun State).

A. IFE DISTRICT CHURCH COUNCIL

1. St. Philip’s Church, Ayetoro, Ile-Ife
2. St. John’s Church Amukegun
3. St. Peter’s Church Okoro-Isaiah
4. St, Michael’s Church Aba-Iwo
5. St. Stephen’s Church Owena-Lakoro
6. St. John’s Church Salami
7. All Saints’ Church Abiri
8. St. James’s Church Apamu
9. St, Matthew’s Church Okoro-Elusoji
10. St. Mattthew’s Church Bode
11. Anglican Church, Atobatele
12. St. Thomas’s Church Dewibe
13. St. Paul’s Church Iyanfoworogi
14. Anglican Church Elekolo
15. St. Peter’s Church Baba-Eko
16. St. Matthias’s Church Ondo Road, Ife
17. St. Philip’s Urhobo/Isoko Church, Ayetoro
18. St. Michael’s Church Ikeketu
19. St. Saviour’s Church Isoya

bigfrancis21:


They are not the same as Urhobo, so stop tagging Urhobo-Isoko as if they are one. They are not one. Stick to your Urhobo affairs strictly.

daxlasaint:


Am sorry to burst your bubble but you so effing ignorant...

There is a village called orugbo between itokin and agbowa in lagos state... Its an urhobo village. Itokin itself is over 80 percent urhobos... Between itokin and epe there are over 3 other such villages i know of personally...

Coming down to ogun state... Just after itele there is an urhobo village that is so culturally attuned to the extent the church signboard read st peters urhobo and isoko anglican church...

Ondo state, i cant even begin to count, these are places i have been to and worked at so before you call people thieves you should check that you not about to make a fool of yourself...

fratermathy:


Thank you!

He actively refuses to get the point I've been trying to make.

I've never claimed that Urhobos have lands in Yorubaland or that Urhobos are indigenous to those places. All I've been saying is that Urhobos have settlements there, settlements that were gotten from mutual understanding with the aborigines. These settlements were conceived to be temporary and not permanent and many of them are already returning home.

He just wants to spark a controversy and probably start an e-fight, which I have not given him the audience to do. Hence, he has resigned to being indignant on his blind claims which are in no way in tandem with my assertions.

He wanted to drag Yoruba into this matter and I am really happy that all the Yorubas snubbed him. He has no point to make. Some of them, including the Igbo mods that were here earlier on, are looking for minorities they will use in managing their frail egos.

fratermathy:


I wonder how I missed the boldened. Kindly refer me to the post exactly where I "paraded" "Aniomas" as different from "Igbo"! Because to the best of my memory, I only duplicated what I saw on Proudly Anioma facebook page (https://web.facebook.com/profile.php?id=153854601415505&ref=br_rs). Even the page does not have "Igbo" affixed to it as some of you claimed, claims which I ignored because I was enjoying the Eastern Igbo drama on the page. The introduction to that article was informed by Anioma Wikipedia page, where I sourced the meaning of ANIOMA.

I would really love to see where I hinted that they were not Igbo clearly because last I recall, I have always been a strangely staunch advocate that these groups are Igbos. Is this one of your other lies, crafted to massed your Igbocentric frail ego?

I await!

NNAMDICE:


ABEG MAKE I HEAR WORD,NA WHO NO KNOW UNA YOU GO DEY TELL DAT ONE

fratermathy:
@Baby124: Add this to your archive as well,


http://ifeooye..com.ng/2013/03/history-of-ife-anglican-diocese-and.html

Would there be an Urhobo-Isoko church without Urhobo-Isoko settlements?

fratermathy:



Baby124 and Bigfrancis21: Oh Hear!!!!

@Alexis11: Thank you for clarifying this. It's interesting that Yoruba-Urhobo relationships have been mutually beneficial since time immemorial. I do hope it remains that way even if our people end up leaving these settlements.

fratermathy:


Thank you!

He actively refuses to get the point I've been trying to make.

I've never claimed that Urhobos have lands in Yorubaland or that Urhobos are indigenous to those places. All I've been saying is that Urhobos have settlements there, settlements that were gotten from mutual understanding with the aborigines. These settlements were conceived to be temporary and not permanent and many of them are already returning home.

He just wants to spark a controversy and probably start an e-fight, which I have not given him the audience to do. Hence, he has resigned to being indignant on his blind claims which are in no way in tandem with my assertions.


He wanted to drag Yoruba into this matter and I am really happy that all the Yorubas snubbed him. He has no point to make. Some of them, including the Igbo mods that were here earlier on, are looking for minorities they will use in managing their frail egos.

Alexis11:


Ignore him.

I know one of these settlements in Oyere (Ife North LG area of Osun State).

The Urhobo-Isoko People
The Urhobo-Isoko is an amalgam of two related ethnic groups, Urhobo and Isoko, with Urhobo being the larger and Isoko being an offshoot of Eastern Urhobo. They are constitutionally regarded as different ethnic groups but they are one people in everything else, hence my usage of the compounded term, Urhobo-Isoko. The Urhobo-Isoko people are the 5th largest ethnic group in Nigeria (2006 census). They number over 5 million both at home and in the diaspora. They are the 2nd largest ethnic group in the South-South and Niger Delta regions, coming only after their ethnic neighbour, the Ijaws. Urhobos occupy 12 LGAs in Delta State (8 in Delta Central and 4 in Delta South), 1 in Bayelsa State (Ofoni, among others, in Sagbama LGA) and 1 in Edo State (Oghara settlements in Ikpoba Okha LGA). Urhobo-Isokos also have faraway village settlements in Ikale, Ilaje (Ondo State) Oro (Kwara State), and other areas in the South West of Nigeria. The Isoko people, who are ethnically Urhobo and politically Isokos, occupy 2 LGAs in Delta South (Isoko North and South) and have an estimated population of 1 million at home and in the diaspora. Isoko and Urhobo are regarded as one people and the Isoko can understand Urhobo clearly. In the colonial period, the Isoko and Urhobo were both regarded as the Sobo people. However, the Urhobo Progress Union, under Chief Mukoro Mowoe, fought hard to change this name to Urhobo. Isokos were a part of Eastern Urhobo until 1959 when the Western Regional House created an Isoko division from Eastern Urhobo. That marked the beginning of a separate Isoko identity.

fratermathy:


I am the op. There are no false stories here. You are not the first Yoruba on this thread. So don't act all defensive. Urhobos know their territories and Yorubas know theirs. Just the way Ugbodu is a Yoruba enclave in Aniocha, so also do Urhobos have enclaves in Ondo, Lagos and Kwara, however small and insignificant they may be. We never claimed to be original settlers or indigenes. We have farming settlements/villages there.

Don't bother quoting me again because I can see that you want to cause squabbles.

fratermathy:


You keep showing your ignorance. Here's the definition of a "village":



www.dictionary.com/browse/village


So check that definition and place my statement in appropriate context.

I even doubt that you are a Yoruba because Yorubas are not known to be as stupid and bigoted as you are, at least the ones I have met so far.

baby124:

No Urhobo or Isoko village exists in Lagos. Not to talk of Kwara. You are clearly delusional. Yes they live in Lagos and Kwara like any other Nigerians.

baby124:

Read OP's post. He says Urhobo and Isoko's have villages in SW. That is what I am talking about. He even mentions Lagos. This is how false stories become a reality in future generations and we have strangers fighting for something that does not exist.

Alexis11:



Guy, have you heard of computer village before?

Does it mean that computers are indigenous to that area?

What is your own definition of a village

Your way of reasoning makes me sad

baby124:

No villages exist in SW that start with Oko. Oko is farm in Yoruba so you are being michevious. You know that so you are being tricky. Even then those names Okoefe don't exist in Yorubaland. Maybe in your head. Hahahahaha. Okoefe ko, Okofrathermathy ni.

Sanchez01:

I'd like to believe you're dumb or you're trying to act like one. He wasn't referring to 'Oko' (re-re), which means 'farm'. And yes, there are Urhobo settlements in some parts of Ondo state, particularly the Ilaje areas of Ondo state. And these settlements are called 'okos' as prefixes. And just as someone mentioned Itokin being settlements for Urhobos and Isokos, may I also submit to you that here are Urhobo settlements in Agbowa.

I have been there several times and I spent some part of my childhood there. The settlement, however comprises of Urhobos and Isokos, just as that of Itokin. One of my uncles still lives there to this day. Again, there is an Urhobo-Isoko-Ijaw settlement in Majidun, where you have the popular God's Grace Church.

For the Urhobo-Isokos dwelling in Itokin and Agbowa in particular, they coexist with the Yorubas perfectly, even though the area leans towards Epe, the outskirt of Ikorodu.

That of Majidun is strictly for the three ethnic groups I earlier mentioned. The Ijaws, whose main means of livelyhood around the Majidun area are primarily responsible for fleeing Yorubas due to incessant battles with security forces over oil bunkering.

Bigfrancis21, I believe you strongly need to let this sink. This is no land grabbing tendencies, rather places I have been to and lived for some time. Baby124, except you are not from or in Lagos, you wouldn't know the places I mentioned. Have someone investigate and come back to call me a liar.

YonkijiSappo:


Funny how you are describing them as Urhobo settlements in the SW now, but Matt was calling them Villages Urhobos have in the South West.
Are Agbowa and Itokin Urhobo villages or places they have settled in large numbers in Yoruba villages? Can I wake up one day and say Yorubas have villages in Kano, kaduna and Niger states because they have some exclusive quarters there? Is FESTAC/Amuwo now an Igbo town within the Lagos conurbation?
There are even exclusive Yoruba settlements in the F.C.T with TITLES.

Ijaw Oil bunkering in Majidun is known to everybody. they move and settle all over places with oil pipelines and oilfields, later claiming it to be theirs. From Akwa Ibom to Lagos, the story is the same all over. If Cotonou was part of Nigeria, ijaws would have surely migrated there given its coastal location with lagoons creeks and inlets, and would have claimed to be ancestral to the place since time immemorial.

Sanchez01:

I believe Matt used the word 'Village Settlement'. Fall back to his post to confirm this. And the bone of contention here is whether the Urhobos are settled in the SW. Mischief makers took him up on the word 'village', leaving the settlement out.

You cannot have a village outside of your territory, save parts of your people are immigrants. And even at that, they can never be allowed to exclusively live and act like they would do in their territory.

Sanchez01:
Concerning the Ijaws, I can authoritatively tell you that most of them migrated to those areas, particularly areas in Lagos, namely Majidun, Ikorodu, Ajegunle (Ikorodu) and the riverine part of Mile 12, in the early 90s. I spent my formative years at the latter. However, the Ijaws co-exist with the Ilajes in Mile 12 to this day, so, laying claims over people's lands and territories makes no sense at all.

We, the Ijaw (Ijo, Izon) inhabiting the Niger Delta and coastal regions of Nigeria, stretching from Apoi/Arogbo in Lagos State in the West to Ibeno on the banks of the Qua Iboe River in Akwa Ibom State in the East of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, in territories herein stated as follows:

The territories of the indigenous Ijaw communities from the Apoi and Arogbo clans in Lagos State
http://www.ijawfoundation.org/resolution_001_08.htm

YonkijiSappo:


Well, that is exactly what they seem to be all about.



Someone better tell the Ijaws that the only indigenous ethnic groups in Lagos are the Yorubas of (Ijebu, Awori, Yewa and Egba) extractions, and the Fons (of Gun/Egun extraction). People who migrated to Lagos in the 90s are now writing on their websites that they are Indigenous to Lagos.... The thing tire me. Yorubas have been living in places like Kontangora since like 1900, yet we dont write rubbish online.

Sanchez01:

Lol. I believe this is nothing to feel threatened about. The other day, the Ijaws claimed they are not part of the Oduduwa Republic and asked that they be removed. If that be the case, then it is evident and clear that their claims over coastlines and coastal areas in Lagos is nothing but laughable.

Ijaws are a but aggressive in reality when it comes to co-existing and settling in a place. Regardless, I believe you strongly know why they claim to these places. There is no such thing as indigenous Ijaw territories in Lagos. Never have and never been.

YonkijiSappo:


A bit aggressive you say? or very aggressive?
It seems the reality of Ijaw expansionism hasn't hit you. You can let them have your urhobo lands in Delta, but they are not having a single Inch of the SW.
Why were the Ijaws asking to be removed from Oduduwa republic? WHo included them in the first place?

Sanchez01:

Lol. I would not want to commit a fallacy by generalizing but most Ijaw folks I lived exhibit violent tendencies over everything. And yes, you are right, they love the idea of widening their area, either through discourse or fights. My childhood mental pictures are filled with floating dead bodies, mostly that of an Ijaw folk or one caused by them. The bodies would flow from the Agility river, down to Mile 12 and then towards Ikorodu. Sometimes, they kill security operatives and dump their bodies in the river just because they desire to go about their oil bunkering business.

About the Ijaws asking that they be removed, one of yours drew a map, under the Afenifere or something, while claiming that the areas included are part of the Oduduwa Republic.

YonkijiSappo:


Even if someone drew a map, did they include any ancestral Ijaw lands n it?
It is no surprise that the Only SS states of Cross River and Akwa Ibom + Ondo that have little to insignifiant Ijaw populations are the only peaceful ones. Does Akwa Ibom even have large scale militancy?

Sanchez01:

https://www.nairaland.com/3690614/not-part-oduduwa-republic-ijaws

tuzeal:


Odonyo moderator with e mouth like odion wey go shit for church. Who send you to speak for Isoko people? Dem tell you say we no get mouth? Abeg e swerve go look your Igboland. Dey there for speak for us as if we nor get mouth to talk. Na so all of una be. Just recently, una de claim Igbide-Ame as una land for here. Go ask wetin Igbide boys use Ukwuani boys eyes take see. Land thieves! We nor send you message, you hear?


@Op: Oza me, don't mind the guy's divide tactics. I am an Isoko from Olomoro on my father's side and Enwhe on my mother's side. Most of my goons are Urhobos and I use Urhobo to communicate steady. See me and Opharhe (on nairaland too) are in OAU together and we are both proud Urhobo-Isoko. When we start for here, Yoruba boys de give us chance. Anywhere I go, based on normal observation and say I be Isoko, na so dem de clear road for me. Area sef de throway regards like water. Isoko nor get wahala with Urhobo, anybody wey de suffer e sef for our matter get e own plan.

Thank you for carrying us along. The mistakes of our fathers shall be corrected by this generation.

@Onosprince: Mavor oza? You de see wetin this yeye mod de talk?

Isoko Wadhe?
Ijooooooo!!!!

Isoko Wadoooo!!!!

Urhobo and Isoko unity is non-negotiable!

YonkijiSappo:


I surely can't find any Yoruba claims to any ancestral Ijaw lands in the link.
All I see is the map of the Political Niger Delta.

Sanchez01:


What you read is a rebuttal to a clown who proposed an Oduduwa map, claiming some parts of the Delta. The clown in question is a so-called elder statesman called Chief Ayo Banjo and his proposed map below.
https://www.naij.com/1091809-restructure-yoruba-break-chief-ayo-adebanjo.html

YonkijiSappo:


Is Warri the Ijaw land in the map?
Infact anything with an Ijaw element should be Avoided. Those people can not inhabit a peaceful country anywhere. Not even in an Ijaw republic to themselves.

Sanchez01:

Warri is a part of the Niger Delta region, and Ijaws are a people in the Niger Delta region. You get the message now, yeah?

YonkijiSappo:


but THAT doesn't really make sense though.
They clearly said remove IJAW LANDS, so except they are being specific as to where exactly, the message remains blurry and nondirectional. If they want to lay claim to the Warri Metropolis, let them come out to say so.
Not as if I would even want Warri in Oduduwa sef, but the Ijaws are only trying to be "sly", or are Ijaws now the mouthpiece for the whole Niger Delta region?

“While we do not oppose anybody seeking to break away from Nigeria as such is our unalienable rights, we wish to question the rationale behind annexing other people’s territories to form your republic?

The map therein captured the various kingdoms in Delta State, Warri precisely and part of Bayelsa State.

We believe that this is a misapplication of fact as Niger Delta region was never and can never be part of the purported Oduduwa Republic.

We will not allow anybody seeking to secede from Nigeria to use the Niger Delta as the battle ground to prosecute his intention.

We have clear and undisputed boundaries with our neighbours in the country and we are able and up to the task to assert our rights when the need arises.

Niger Deltans will resist with all vigour, any move to use the region as the launch pad by the Yorubas or any other region to secure their aims.

Our people have made our points known to the Nigerian government through the declarations of the various ethnic nationalities in the region.

Niger Deltans pledge their allegiance to the Ogoni Bill of Right, the Kaiama Declaration, the Ikwerres, Isokos, Uhrobos, Itsekiris and all other Declarations by the various ethnic groups in the region.

We say no to the Yorubas’ forceful annihilation and annexation of the Niger Delta region,” the groups vowed.

bigfrancis21:

what do you think people are, kids?

This is the group you got that article from, and its name in full is Proudly Anioma Proudly Igbo. It is a closed group of which you are a member.

https://www./546043812177312/

You think you can deceive us by digging out another Proudly Anioma group on facebook as the source of that your article? Again, the JOKE is on YOU.