woye77:

if we look at our world today it seems most of the time, people who do good tend to be the ones who go home early - say for example, - Diana, MKO, Michael Jackson, Jesus Christ etc while evil people e.g. Idi Amin, Mugabe etc live longer - why does God allow things to be this way? 

benodic:

life is not a random walk. everything is in its rightful place and time. first you have to realize that you are the author of your own destiny. everything that comes to you is as a result of your past thoughts, words and actions. what you sow is what you reap. if you sow healthy activities that will give you a good life then a good and long life you will have and if you live a life filled with bad habits then do not be surprise if disease and ill health comes knocking. the so called evil people may have been keeping the laws of health without you knowing.

benodic:

life is not a random walk. everything is in its rightful place and time. first you have to realize that you are the author of your own destiny. everything that comes to you is as a result of your past thoughts, words and actions. what you sow is what you reap. if you sow healthy activities that will give you a good life then a good and long life you will have and if you live a life filled with bad habits then do not be surprise if disease and ill health comes knocking. the so called evil people may have been keeping the laws of health without you knowing.

ilosiwaju:

I dont have any statical data for this but i kinda agree with inesqor about some principles they follow. Growing up, the sermons i used to hear in church always said stuffs like: you must be faithful, born-again etc to prosper in life and that unbelievers dont prosper. But now, the sermon in pentecostal churches now go like this: unbelievers are prospering today because they are following some principles.
Back to the main point sha, have you noticed that the so-called evil people happen to be more meticulous folks, mostly disciplined. Look at the mafia for example with all their illegal activities: if you run your organisation like the mafia _{excluding the violence and law breaking of course}, with the staff loyalty, honesty etc, wont that give you better profits?
These people read more than the so-called good people, they know how the world works, they dont always lookup to an afterlife, they live in the now, they believe they are responsible for their actions however unfair some turn out to be. Since life itself is a selfish and harsh business, this people excel more. Playfully sha, look at some television villains for example:
1. Mr Burns in The Simpsons is alive while Ned Flander's wife died.
2. Agent Smith in Matrix. _{i love this guy}
and my personal favourite, Ben Linus in Lost. Always tucking in his shirt _{am not saying tucking in your shirt elongates life span} , regular use of "please" even if he is messing you up, a good listener and reads a lot.

pardon my non-academic response

ilosiwaju:

I dont have any statical data for this but i kinda agree with inesqor about some principles they follow. Growing up, the sermons i used to hear in church always said stuffs like: you must be faithful, born-again etc to prosper in life and that unbelievers dont prosper. But now, the sermon in pentecostal churches now go like this: unbelievers are prospering today because they are following some principles.
Back to the main point sha, have you noticed that the so-called evil people happen to be more meticulous folks, mostly disciplined. Look at the mafia for example with all their illegal activities: if you run your organisation like the mafia _{excluding the violence and law breaking of course}, with the staff loyalty, honesty etc, wont that give you better profits?
These people read more than the so-called good people, they know how the world works, they dont always lookup to an afterlife, they live in the now, they believe they are responsible for their actions however unfair some turn out to be. Since life itself is a selfish and harsh business, this people excel more. Playfully sha, look at some television villains for example:
1. Mr Burns in The Simpsons is alive while Ned Flander's wife died.
2. Agent Smith in Matrix. _{i love this guy}
and my personal favourite, Ben Linus in Lost. Always tucking in his shirt _{am not saying tucking in your shirt elongates life span} , regular use of "please" even if he is messing you up, a good listener and reads a lot.

pardon my non-academic response

jagunlabi:

For good people to start living longer, they should stop living the life of victims.The victim mentality shorten your lifespan more effectively than any disease can.

Life of victims?  Sir, pls explain?

Tonye-t:

Life of victims? Sir, pls explain?

jagunlabi:

Living the life of a victim is to live one's life with the victim mentality, and as the ancient wisdom goes, victim mentality produces victim circumstances(accidents, bad health,etc), and victim circumstances can kill one faster than a bullet.We are what we experience in life.We have far more influence on our lives and what we experience in ou lives than we have been led to believe up till now.

How does one live a life of victim?By debasing and denigrading oneself in one's own mind with the following mantras of doom;
-I am nothing;
-I have no control over my life;
-I can't do anything by myself, so i need somebody else to do it for me(whoever that may be);
-Only god can solve my troubles, i am powerless;
-Etc.,etc., etc

If these mantras of doom sounds all too familiar, then that's because we are all living by them.Negative people do not live by such mantras and that is why they live longer and they prosper.They empower themselves with knowledge instead of disempowering themselves with empty dogma.Dogmas are for losers, and losers are mostly good people.We have been taught very erroneously that there is virtue in believing and wallowing in one's own powerlessness, they even call it "humility".That is the worst, most vicious lie ever told us by people in the know.
Good people should also begin to empower themselves with knowledge in order to assert themselves and live longer, for it is all in the mind.

Tonye-t:


So do i take it that YOUR OWN definition of "Good People" are that:

-They are nothing;
-They have no control over their life;
-They can't do anything by themselves, so they need somebody else to do it for them(whoever that may be);
-Only god can solve their troubles, they are powerless;
-Etc.,etc., etc

If your answer is yes, then we really have to talk urgently.

jagunlabi:

I only gave you what it means to be living with a victim mentality.I also alluded that there are way too many good people with this mentality. . .

sinequanon:

I think the victim mentality and the irresponsible blame someone else mentality are one and the same, and many people you are calling "good" have that irresponsible blame mentality.

Jenna:

Evil people have no conscience, they have no stress. Loving people take everything to heart! That is the difference! Loving people pay for evils deeds!!

jagunlabi:

Ofcourse you know what good and evil people are, but of what relevance is that to the topic at hand.I have stated my own view on the topic, if you have something to say, then say it.I don't involve myself in the silly and useless battles of semantics that goes on in this religious forum.

sinequanon:

The relevance may be as follows.

Have you questioned your definition in the light of the actual behaviours you see in so-called 'good' people?

It reminds me of a similar issue with 'health food'. Much of the junk that goes under this label is still seen as health food by some people. Not all health foods are good for you?!

jagunlabi:

Yes, and after a long and useless back and forth of semantics gymnastics, we will suddenly discover that everything is subjective afterall.What is "good" in this perspective is "bad" in another, and everybody will sign off happy.It is always the same thing.Been there a thausand times in the years gone by.
Who are the socalled "evil" people and what makes them so?Ofcourse these back and forths help one increase one's posting tally.

sinequanon:

Alternatively, you could calmly give your definition and, if they disagree with it, let them know it is your definition -- the definition you prefer, ending the back and forth business.

If you enter into discussion needing to impose your opinions, it tends to go back and forth endlessly. If you only want to share your opinions, there is no such hassle.