Surprise surprise surprise!

THE OGISO OF BINI & IJAW CAME FROM ILE-IFE

The most objective way to tell the history of a people or ethnic group like the Bini is to look at historiography from their perspective. In other words, in light most favorable to them: in Jacob Egharevba Ekhere vb' Itan Edo. No historian could have worked harder on Bini. Despite Jacob’s effort from the 1st to the 4th Edition of his books. The facts that Ogiso and Oba Dynasties came from Ile-Ife, never changed. Adumu as common ancestor of Ijaw, Edo and Yoruba was revealed!

It was Adumu/Oduduwa’s folks, today’s Ijaw, Edo and Yoruba progenitor that intermarried with autochthonous Ooyelagbo in Ile-Ife, Efa in Bini and Oru in Delta. The relationship between Ile-Ife, near Nupe then, and Bini heralded the Oduduwa or Adumu Dynasty in Ile-Ife. Casting away myths or fantastic stories substituted with archaeology and other scientific facts as radiocarbon dated burial of Ogiso body parts in Ife, it became clear that both dynasties came from Ile-Ife.

When the Ujo or Ijaw left Ile-Ife, Adumu or Oduduwa had established over the autochthonous Ugbo or Ooyelagbo. Adumu/Adimu/Oduduwa as a “multiracial” of Ugbo and Tapa from Nupe area and certainly had the blood of Ooyelagbo to rule. This was depicted in the power struggle between Adumu and Obatala descendants. It suffices to understand that the mythical Adumu existed well before Christ compared to his recent descendants in Bini, Ijaw and Yoruba history.

It boils down to waves of migration from Sudan north and south, the builders of Egypt mixed with autochthonous Rain Forest people that claimed they never migrated from anywhere but were created on their land. So it is the Bantu that mixed with autochthonous Nri Ibo/Igbo Oru, Osu claiming they never left their land or had no king. Just as Ugbo/Ooyelagbo in Ife and Efa in Bini. There is a distinction between Oba or Obi ruling class and land owners they intermarried.

Ijaw like others, mixed and left many lands of Kumoni, Efa in Edo to Bantu, Osu in Delta regions before the 2nd Dynasty of Oba from Ugbo Ile-Ife to Edo. Urhobo and Ijaw had left Aka (Edo) before the 2nd Bini Dynasty of Oba arrived. According to Prof. Peter Ekeh: Urhobo language yields clues to the profile of the society and culture which the Ogisos ruled. Urhobo know this king by his usual name Ogiso, without any other titles. He was their king. On the other hand, Urhobo know the kings of the House of Eweka more distantly as Oba r' Aka, the King of Benin.

“Ogiso ma miemwe efiagba" Ogiso never convened meetings but in times of trouble or crises. Moreover, the Oduduwa/ Adumu that sent the Ogiso could not have been the same Oduduwa that sent Oba. Oba of Bini banished his son, Kaladerhan with his mother from the city instead of killing him and he eventually became the Founder of Guwatto (Ughoton) on the bank of a river, after wandering in the forest. Yet many Edo that celebrate the banishment of Ekaledarha with establishment of Ughoton have not spoken up that he was never lost to Ile-Ife and his time or that of his father could never have been the same with that of the ancient Oduduwa/Adumu.

As this writer had asked in – The Father Of All Nigerian Ethnic Groups” – on their way from and to Egypt, Saudi Arabia or Israel, Nigerians never met one another? They all found themselves in the same location or split into sub-ethnic groups claiming suzerainty over one another. In the case of Bini and Ife, Ekalarhan son of the last Ogiso that fled and established Ughoton has been reincarnated in 2004 as ancient the Oduduwa/Adumu known to other ethnics before Ogiso.

Note the migration waves of rulers as Ogiso, Oba and Obi to landowners: Eri, Osu, Efa and Oru. The Yoruba or Yooba today claimed the world started in Ile-Ife. But Bible writers claimed Eden Garden with Adam and Eve. Scientific evidence has brought the first humans closer to Ife closer to Sudan than the Bible story. This is important because Ile-Ife had moved 8 times according to Prof. Obayemi further away from Sudan and Nupe to the safer Rain Forest. The earliest date so far was the Yoruba artifacts in Iwo Eleru confirmed as around 10,000 B.C. This contradiction in religious belief leads to condemning infidel, kaferi as unbelievers by fanatics on religious opium.

Foreign religious dates have changed African history pandering to European belief, be subjected to ridicule, denial of missionary hospitals and schools for those that refused to convert to Islam, Christian, or Jewish religion. Even when there is no radio carbon verified dates of Christian or Islamic dates of life origin based solely on faith. Compared to African oral history held up to scientific standard. Non-believers on faith could lose their lives in the hands of charlatans and extremists on religious opium or those seeking converts.

In Ekhere, Egharevba wrote that the Obagodo, the first Ogiso, came to Benin from Ife with charm in form of a snail shell; afterwards cast in brass, containing some earth which vested power over land on him. He had written that "Ewedo was the one who put then reigning Ogiefa as the priest of the earth at the place the snail shell container of sand which Ogiso brought from Ife was buried and the place is also the shrine of the earth deity.”

Ogiefa had repeatedly come from Uhe to Benin city for the practice of medicine prior to his accompanying his master Prince Oranmiyan, hence every member of the family of Ogiefa is flattered ever since by the title "Ovbiaronto" (child of the pioneer). This account was discarded as it does not fit into the Hamitic hypothesis account (that everything of value ever found in Africa was brought by Caucasians) on origin of the empire and kingship of his later editions.

The foreign religions and ancestors infused in African history started with another fanciful claim by Sam Johnson. He earlier rejected it: Yoruba are certainly not of the Arabian family, and could not have come from Mecca -- that is to say the Mecca universally known in history, and no such accounts . . . are to be found in the records of Arabian writers or any kings of Mecca; an event of such importance could hardly have passed unnoticed by their historians (Johnson 1921: 5).

Ogherevba also compromised his work to incorporate the committee's work-Intelligence Report on Benin City in 1938, it became the first application of the Hamitic hypothesis to Benin history by an indigenous elite. Jacob Egharevba initial story both in Edo and later in English changed to accommodate some of these foreign “contributions”.

Every ethnic group seized on it claiming kinship to Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Israel ignoring the scientific data that it was Africans that moved around to those foreign lands. It is a case of old countries claiming to be from new areas: reverse migration contrary to scientific facts. Yet, some Africans still see themselves as Egyptians, Arabs and Jews!

It is not surprising to see rich Edo sculpture and language compared to that of Egypt and claims that they came from Egypt. What did not change was sojourn through Sudan and Ile-Ife. So, it is not only the Edo that ignored their neighbors they mixed with in their Rain Forest, each ethnic group claim autonomy or not knowing the same neighbors they had inter-married producing what is now referred to as new ethnic groups!
Olokun that Bini had in common with its neighbors as worship of the "Sea" (Olokun) was translated to Egypt: "Orao, Orao, Olokun N'oba as "Pharaoh, Pharaoh, the Red Sea" and is an invocation of King Pharaoh in the Red sea. ("Orao" as corrupt form of Pharaoh! Even the brass casting work common to Ife and Bini. Oba Oguola that had asked the Oni of Ife for a Brass smith and had Iguegha sent to him from Ife is now a matter of dispute between Edo historians.

Farouk Martins Aresa

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At this age, since scientific proof us right who can proof us wrong, if not those who proof wrong scientifically!

We Yoruba Muslims can't deny the fact that Yoruba people were immigrants from Togo who lived under the Great Benin Kingdom, the Benin kingdom colonised and gave us our first civilisation,

EDO is EDO

No Merging

Only Connection is Oshomole through Modern Day Politics. If not...

#SakponbaRoad

So Ijaw and Edos are Yorubas now? And I thought Igbos wer landgrabbers

nengibo:
So Ijaw and Edos are Yorubas now? And I thought Igbos wer landgrabbers

I saw your name and I knew somehow somehow you go bring Igbos into it. You no disappoint. Wehdone.

RedboneSmith:


I saw your name and I knew somehow somehow you go bring Igbos into it. You no disappoint. Wehdone.

Thank you �

RedboneSmith:


I saw your name and I knew somehow somehow you go bring Igbos into it. You no disappoint. Wehdone.

Take a look at this thread and see who brings who into every discuss

https://www.nairaland.com/4018752/ikwerre-chief-destroys-50-years/1

Obviously this is a well researched article that cannot be refuted.

Otherwise amateurs and researchers could have invaded the thread.

While I share Ajayi-Bebe feelings about the intentional exclusion of Lagosians from the scheme put together by Tinubu from Oragbiji in Osun State, Ajayi affiliation conceding Lagos Island to Benin is misplaced.

Bini itself is Yoruba regardless of the politics of the day. The ligua franca in Bini palace until recently was Yoruba, their gods are Yoruba and the names of the royals until recently are Yoruba.

Oduduwa came before Christ and existed not only in Yoruba history buy in that of their cousins worldwide including Ijaw before Ikalehan appearance in the 14th century.

Ajayi-Bembe cannot reconcile that by claiming Bini and Awori are the same. That is pure self serving. He can get away with that by claiming all Yoruba are cousins.

Aromire own Isale Eko a descendant of Ogunfimonire, an Awori from Ife own Lagos from Isheri to Isale Eko.

https://www.nairaland.com/4018415/ogiso-bini-ijaw-came-ile-ife#59914051

onward4life:
EDO is EDO

No Merging

Only Connection is Oshomole through Modern Day Politics. If not...

#SakponbaRoad

Shut the Bleep then and stop this awori bini connection. You can bring up Lagos is bini and yet no connection with yorubas. What is wrong with this new generation of ignorant boys

nobaga:
While I share Ajayi-Bebe feelings about the intentional exclusion of Lagosians from the scheme put together by Tinubu from Oragbiji in Osun State, Ajayi affiliation conceding Lagos Island to Benin is misplaced.

Bini itself is Yoruba regardless of the politics of the day. The ligua franca in Bini palace until recently was Yoruba, their gods are Yoruba and the names of the royals until recently are Yoruba.

Oduduwa came before Christ and existed not only in Yoruba history buy in that of their cousins worldwide including Ijaw before Ikalehan appearance in the 14th century.

Ajayi-Bembe cannot reconcile that by claiming Bini and Awori are the same. That is pure self serving. He can get away with that by claiming all Yoruba are cousins.

Aromire own Isale Eko a descendant of Ogunfimonire, an Awori from Ife own Lagos from Isheri to Isale Eko.

https://www.nairaland.com/4018415/ogiso-bini-ijaw-came-ile-ife#59914051

That is it. I am from isale eko and I am awori and we are yorubas. All these are you political talks. I wonder why all these Tinubu boys are toying with our identity

step1:


Shut the Bleep then and stop this awori bini connection. You can bring up Lagos is bini and yet no connection with yorubas. What is wrong with this new generation of ignorant boys

Throwing shades! ? That is not how to prove ur newspaper points!

Invasion 1887 where where yu?

Edo means Edo anytime!

nobaga:
While I share Ajayi-Bebe feelings about the intentional exclusion of Lagosians from the scheme put together by Tinubu from Oragbiji in Osun State, Ajayi affiliation conceding Lagos Island to Benin is misplaced.

Bini itself is Yoruba regardless of the politics of the day. The ligua franca in Bini palace until recently was Yoruba, their gods are Yoruba and the names of the royals until recently are Yoruba.

Oduduwa came before Christ and existed not only in Yoruba history buy in that of their cousins worldwide including Ijaw before Ikalehan appearance in the 14th century.

Ajayi-Bembe cannot reconcile that by claiming Bini and Awori are the same. That is pure self serving. He can get away with that by claiming all Yoruba are cousins.

Aromire own Isale Eko a descendant of Ogunfimonire, an Awori from Ife own Lagos from Isheri to Isale Eko.

https://www.nairaland.com/4018415/ogiso-bini-ijaw-came-ile-ife#59914051

It's historical fallacy to say Oduduwa came before Christ. I assume you mean the King oduduwa and not the mythical one that is talked about in Yoruba creation stories.
Because, the King Oduduwa must have lived in the 12th/13th century. 51 kings of Ife, Oyo founded by his son etc.. do the math

macof:



It's historical fallacy to say Oduduwa came before Christ. I assume you mean the King oduduwa and not the mythical one that is talked about in Yoruba creation stories.
Because, the King Oduduwa must have lived in the 12th/13th century. 51 kings of Ife, Oyo founded by his son etc.. do the math

By the 12th century, the 21st Ooni was already reigning in Ile-Ife, if the radiocarbon-dating for the Luwo pavements match the oral tradition.

The 'Oduduwa Era' must have begun by the 9th or 10th century.

RedboneSmith:


By the 12th century, the 21st Ooni was already reigning in Ile-Ife, if the radiocarbon-dating for the Luwo pavements match the oral tradition.

The 'Oduduwa Era' must have begun by the 9th or 10th century.

and by the 12th century Oranmiyan wasnt even born. there is no dating of such in oral tradition

Do the math

macof:
and by the 12th century Oranmiyan wasnt even born. there is no dating of such in oral tradition

Do the math

Are you saying that the radiocarbon-dating of Luwo's pavements which yielded dates from the 12th century is wrong?

Or are you saying that associating the pavements with Luwo is wrong?

RedboneSmith:


Are you saying that the radiocarbon-dating of Luwo's pavements which yielded dates from the 12th century is wrong?

Or are you saying that associating the pavements with Luwo is wrong?

Either of those or oranmiyan wasnt the founder of Oyo

Do the math

macof:


Either of those or oranmiyan wasnt the founder of Oyo

Do the math

Did the math a long time ago. The Oranmiyan story get K-leg. This is why it is dangerous to place too much faith in oral traditions. Thank god for the little corrections we are able to make in the light of archaeological evidence.

Radiocarbon dating itself is not conclusive and final on excavated archives.

There is an element of assumption in radiocarbon methods. It is a protocol adopted for advancing theories....pending discovery of a more definite physical evidence to yield facts.

Please let us be mindful and not supersede valid oral history with assumed calculations.

Radio carbon dating may not be perfect, combined with other evidence, it's still the only tool we have.

We used to think only the heads of Oba of Benin was buried in Ife, until that of Ogiso was dug up and the dates preceded that of Oba of Benin.

This can be understood from Ijaw history that call or know Oduduwa as Adimu. This was well before Benin Oranmiyan.

Chances are Ijaw left Ife before Oranmiyan.

Iwo Eleru dated to 10,000 before Christ may give us more evidence if more research is undertaken.

MayorofLagos:
Radiocarbon dating itself is not conclusive and final on excavated archives.

There is an element of assumption in radiocarbon methods. It is a protocol adopted for advancing theories....pending discovery of a more definite physical evidence to yield facts.

Please let us be mindful and not supersede valid oral history with assumed calculations.

There is a measure of error in radiocarbon-dating, which archaeologists try to account for with the +- X years.

But dates obtained from oral genealogy are infinitely more flawed than radiocarbon-dating. And the longer the time-period between the event and the oral retelling the greater the risk of error.

Any scholar presented with different dates for an ancient event --- one obtained from oral genealogy and the other obtained from dated archaeological sites will definitely pick the radiocarbon-dating as being more accurate.

RedboneSmith:


There is a measure of error in radiocarbon-dating, which archaeologists try to account for with the +- X years.

But dates obtained from oral genealogy are infinitely more flawed than radiocarbon-dating. And the longer the time-period between the event and the oral retelling the greater the risk of error.

Any scholar presented with different dates for an ancient event --- one obtained from oral genealogy and the other obtained from dated archaeological sites will definitely pick the radiocarbon-dating as being more accurate.

If i say this to you...

....in the year of the locust attack, on first day of the second moon of the year, when Arewa disapeared from the night sky, the Alaafin was visited by a foreigner whose sojourn would later turn the history of Oyo around for ever....


Are you able to tell me the year, the month, the day and what Arewa is?


More than likely not. You see, this is how the ancients kept record of time and events and passed it on. In our modernity we have lost that knowledge and because naturally the African is a spiritualist, our abilities in empirical science is dulled, and no one has taken time to study and recognize that oral history is accurate in dates....we are just lazy and wont make effort to translate their dating method to synch with our roman calendar.


Not that i know the event and can match the date myself, but the point in my scenario is that this is how oral records are kept and we should not blame our ancestors or discredit them....we should blame ourselves for not making effort to merge our oral past with our modern realities. We are the couplers...and weve done really bad job of integration. In fact we have not integrated, we simply replaced.

My people let us use this common logic in detecting which tribe is older, when a child is born who name a child, that person is older, check the name of your tribe and find a tribe that name such name and relate your location and relationship, what is the meaning of yoruba, igbo, hausa, beni, ijaw, urhobo, itsekiri, mind you some people uses the geographical locations they find themselves as a tribes name, mostly almost every name of a tribe is a describtion with that alone you know your direction , find out yourself,mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

RedboneSmith:


Did the math a long time ago. The Oranmiyan story get K-leg. This is why it is dangerous to place too much faith in oral traditions. Thank god for the little corrections we are able to make in the light of archaeological evidence.

Oral tradition is what we have, to discredit it is to not have a history at all. Archaeological findings don't need to correct anything, rather support or bring to light new information that don't exist in oral traditions

When we doubt a certain story(not all stories are part of tradition) there are other ways to validate - festivals, stories from other towns, rites and rituals. Lack of validation is bad for a story, because anybody can say anything that isn't really part of the ages long oral traditions

macof:


Oral tradition is what we have, to discredit it is to not have a history at all. Archaeological findings don't need to correct anything, rather support or bring to light new information that don't exist in oral traditions

When we doubt a certain story(not all stories are part of tradition) there are other ways to validate - festivals, stories from other towns, rites and rituals. Lack of validation is bad for a story, because anybody can say anything that isn't really part of the ages long oral traditions

That's it, precisely!!!
Thank you bro!

macof:


Oral tradition is what we have, to discredit it is to not have a history at all. Archaeological findings don't need to correct anything, rather support or bring to light new information that don't exist in oral traditions

When we doubt a certain story(not all stories are part of tradition) there are other ways to validate - festivals, stories from other towns, rites and rituals. Lack of validation is bad for a story, because anybody can say anything that isn't really part of the ages long oral traditions

"Oral tradition" is no history at all. Events must be recorded soon after they happen in order to be called history. Oral tradition is a way to fake "history" by just making unsubstantiated claims.

There is no "element of assumption" in carbon dating !

MayorofLagos:
Radiocarbon dating itself is not conclusive and final on excavated archives.

There is an element of assumption in radiocarbon methods. It is a protocol adopted for advancing theories....pending discovery of a more definite physical evidence to yield facts.

Please let us be mindful and not supersede valid oral history with assumed calculations.

nobaga:
While I share Ajayi-Bebe feelings about the intentional exclusion of Lagosians from the scheme put together by Tinubu from Oragbiji in Osun State, Ajayi affiliation conceding Lagos Island to Benin is misplaced.

Bini itself is Yoruba regardless of the politics of the day. The ligua franca in Bini palace until recently was Yoruba, their gods are Yoruba and the names of the royals until recently are Yoruba.

Oduduwa came before Christ and existed not only in Yoruba history buy in that of their cousins worldwide including Ijaw before Ikalehan appearance in the 14th century.

Ajayi-Bembe cannot reconcile that by claiming Bini and Awori are the same. That is pure self serving. He can get away with that by claiming all Yoruba are cousins.

Aromire own Isale Eko a descendant of Ogunfimonire, an Awori from Ife own Lagos from Isheri to Isale Eko.

https://www.nairaland.com/4018415/ogiso-bini-ijaw-came-ile-ife#59914051

Are you not tired os spewing rubbish. You could add to your claims that Jesus would be visiting you tomorrow and that You personnally visited the arch of Noah and had a night of passion with queen cleopatra while Cesar was too busy being stabbed in the back.

You guys should quit all these childish claims. Before colonisation, many europian traders visited our ancesors and made maps of what they observed, those maps are available, just take a look at them and their dates rather than making up stories all the time.

superman also came from ile ife, and trump too came from ile ife, jesus also came from ile ife and father christmass as well. Actually, the entire world came from ile ife. You know what, even God came from Ile Ife. Morons.

To all those who keep claiming fallacies such as "Yoruba was the official language in the Benin Royal court", please provide proof or shut up.
The Edo language is sacred to the Edo, I don't see any logical reason why any other language would be the official language in the Edo royal circles.