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No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by lagostokd: 3:54pm On Aug 30
Muslims brings us deceptive and disingenuous view of Jesus being same with Isa and "we all worship the same God" chant on a regular basis, and there is rarely any pushback.

The only common ground the Quran has with The Bible on Jesus is just the virgin birth. The biggest issue that separates the two faiths is by far the most important one — was Jesus God, as he claimed?

Christians believe Jesus was simultaneously both the Son of God and the Son of Man, fully divine and fully human. He left no room for doubt about it on numerous occasions, as when, according to John 8:58, he told the Pharisees “before Abraham was, I am.”

That claim, when uttered by any man, was considered blasphemous and deserving of death by the Pharisees. Pilate, Caesar’s man in the Jewish homeland, found nothing under Roman law to justify executing Jesus but, as a matter of political expediency, he ordered the crucifixion.

Three days later, the tomb of Jesus was empty and soon thereafter Jerusalem was in an absolute uproar because, according to the Bible (see Acts 2:14-39), the disciples were telling any one who would listen that they had seen and talked to the resurrected Jesus, who would someday return to judge every person who ever lived.

That’s NOT the Jesus of the Koran, which says at 5:17: “They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ, the son of Mary.” In case there might be any doubt on the point, the Koran adds this at 9:30: “Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!” Being cursed is the worst fate possible for a Muslim.

Similarly, as Jihad Watch’s Robert Spencer notes, the Koran utterly rejects the Christian claim that Jesus died on the cross, saying at 4:157: “And because of their saying: We killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah’s messenger – they did not kill him or crucify him, but it appeared so to them; and those who disagree concerning it are in doubt about it; they have no knowledge of it except pursuit of a conjecture; they did not kill him for certain.”

In other words, the Koran argues that Jesus survived crucifixion. To grasp how completely disconnected that view is from the horrendous reality of such a death, spend a few minutes with this description from National Geographic, which nobody would accuse of being a Christian propaganda tool, of how crucifixion killed.

Jesus personally talked about how he will die in Mathew 16:21-22 “From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life."

And they all came to pass and recorded by both Christian and non-Christian historians.

The Prophet of Islam, Mohammed born about 600 years after Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection attempted to rewrite history and have succeeded in deceiving generations of people.

The Jesus Christ of the Bible is not the same as the Jesus (Prophet Isa) of the Quran

Christians do not worship the same God as Muslims

Below are the major differences between Christianity and Islam

1. God’s only begotten Son is Jesus Christ. Allah has no begotten son

2. God made salvation available by sacrificing His Son and promises salvation by grace to those who believe. Allah sacrificed nothing, and only saves if sufficient works are done.

3. God (Yahweh) has a payment for sins—Jesus Christ. Allah has no payment for sins.

4. God’s Christ paid for the sins of mankind. Allah paid for nothing, and all men pay for their own sins.

5. God’s salvation is through Christ’s work. Allah’s salvation is through people’s works.

6. God’s saving work is, “Come to Christ.” The major part of Moslem salvation is to believe Mohammed was the sum and seal of the prophets.

7. God’s book is very different from Allah’s book. They contradict each other, so they cannot both be true. For example, the Bible says Christ was resurrected from the dead. The Moslems reject that as a lie.

8. God says his Son is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Allah says Christ is “only a messenger” (Chap. 5, “The Food” sect. 10, par. 75).

9. God treats men and women equally. Allah does not.

10. God says marriages today (Christian) are to be monogamous. Allah allows more than one wife.

11. There is no marriage in God’s Paradise. Faithful men and those who die in the cause of Jihad get many virgins (houri) in Allah’s aljana.

Reference: https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/08/no-the-muslim-jesus-is-not-even-close-to-the-jesus-of-the-bible

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Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by menxer: 5:48pm On Aug 30
We are so enamoured with the "Jesus" brand name without bothering about having understanding of his message.

Anybody that has a message is a messenger.

If and when we truly awaken, we will realize we are all one at the core.

"before Abraham, I Am" means before man-ifestation there was Consciousness.
Consciousness is still manifesting as you and me, birds and bees, fishes and lions, marijuana and banana, ayahuasca and oranges.

It is only ignorance that causes us to fight over who is right and who is wrong.

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." (Galileo Galilei)
But we are not ready to understand even the discovered truths.

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Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by lagostokd: 6:01pm On Aug 30
menxer:
We are so enamoured with the "Jesus" brand name without bothering about having understanding of his message.

Anybody that has a message is a messenger.

If and when we truly awaken, we will realize we are all one at the core.

"before Abraham, I Am" means before man-ifestation there was Consciousness.
Consciousness is still manifesting as you and me, birds and bees, fishes and lions, marijuana and banana.

It is only ignorance that causes us to fight over who is right and who is wrong.

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." (Galileo Galilei)
But we are not ready to understand even the discovered truth.


Use straightforward expression next time!

My post is very clear on the fact that the Jesus Christ of the Bible is different from the Jesus in the Quran when you compare and contrast their values, mission, and historical facts.

The post is not about who is right or who is wrong; it is about the fact that Christianity is different from Islam - they do not worship the same God. The values of the Christian God - Yahweh is different from the values of the Muslim God - Allah

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Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by menxer: 6:09pm On Aug 30
lagostokd:

Use straightforward expression next time!

My post is very clear on the fact that the Jesus Christ of the Bible is different from the Jesus in the Quran when you compare and contrast their values, mission, and historical facts.

The post is not about who is right or who is wrong; it is about the fact that Christianity is different from Islam - they do not worship the same God. The values of the Christian God - Yahweh is different from the values of the Muslim God - Allah

Read your post again.
It insinuates you are right and the Muslims are wrong. When you compare two points of view that is what you get, one must be wrong for the other to be right, one must decrease for the other to increase, one must be the truth for the other to be a lie.

Both cannot be the truth, else why the comparison and the fighting? Unless we are ignorant of the truth.

@bolded, Jesus spoke in metaphors, allegories, parables, maybe that is why many are finding it difficult to understand his discoveries.

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Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by lagostokd: 8:20pm On Aug 30
menxer:


Read your post again.
It insinuates you are right and the Muslims are wrong. When you compare two points of view that is what you get, one must be wrong for the other to be right, one must decrease for the other to increase, one must be the truth for the other to be a lie.

Both cannot be the truth, else why the comparison and the fighting? Unless we are ignorant of the truth.

@bolded, Jesus spoke in metaphors, allegories, parables, maybe that is why many are finding it difficult to understand his discoveries.

If you really understand my post, you will discover that it addressed the age-long deception and lies equating Jesus Christ with Jesus (Isa) of the Quran.

The only way you can prove that garri is the same as sand is by comparing their features, characteristics and benefit; if the features/characteristics differs, then it will be a great deception to insinuate that garri is the same as sand.

The only way to prove that Jesus Christ of the Bible is the same as Jesus (Isa) of the Quran is to compare their characteristics/features and benefits; likewise, the only way to prove that God -Yahweh is the same as God - Allah is to compare their values and expectations from men.

What my post simply did was to present facts correcting the age-long deception. If you have a contrary view on similarities/differences between Jesus Christ of the Bible and Jesus (Isa) of the Quran, then lets hear!

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Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by menxer: 9:04pm On Aug 30
lagostokd:


If you really understand my post, you will discover that it addressed the age-long deception and lies equating Jesus Christ with Jesus (Isa) of the Quran.

The only way you can prove that garri is the same as sand is by comparing their features, characteristics and benefit; if the features/characteristics differs, then it will be a great deception to insinuate that garri is the same as sand.

The only way to prove that Jesus Christ of the Bible is the same as Jesus (Isa) of the Quran is to compare their characteristics/features and benefits; likewise, the only way to prove that God -Yahweh is the same as God - Allah is to compare their values and expectations from men.

What my post simply did was to present facts correcting the age-long deception. If you have a contrary view on similarities/differences between Jesus Christ of the Bible and Jesus (Isa) of the Quran, then lets hear!
First off, since you are a Christian doing the comparison, you are biased.

Have you ever soaked sand in water and eat it with groundnut (peanut) to know it doesn't taste like garri?

Are You sure you are not comparing apples and oranges, is there any time that the apple said it is the orange or vice versa?
Jesus is derived from:
Iesus - Latin
Iēsous - Greek
Isa - Arabic
Yehoshuaʿ/Yeshua - Hebrew
Jesús - Spanish
Joshua - English

Which language are you speaking?

Mind you Christ is not the surname of ישוע

If "God -Yahweh is the same as God - Allah" and have "expectations from men," "they" are the same for "they" have different "expectations" from different men at different times.

For God expected something different when he met Jesus as Yahweh than when he met Mohammed as Allah.

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Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by lagostokd: 11:36pm On Aug 30
menxer:

First off, since you are a Christian doing the comparison, you are biased.

Have you ever soaked sand in water and eat it with groundnut (peanut) to know it doesn't taste like garri?

Are You sure you are not comparing apples and oranges, is there any time that the apple said it is the orange or vice versa?
Jesus is derived from:
Iesus - Latin
Iēsous - Greek
Isa - Arabic
Yehoshuaʿ/Yeshua - Hebrew
Jesús - Spanish
Joshua - English

Which language are you speaking?

Mind you Christ is not the surname of ישוע

If "God -Yahweh is the same as God - Allah" and have "expectations from men," "they" are the same for "they" have different "expectations" from different men at different times.

For God expected something different when he met Jesus as Yahweh than when he met Mohammed as Allah.

Now you've fully displayed your ignorance!
Next time you want to take garri, just switch to sand with groundnut

One more time, I am not doing any comparison! You are the one equating Yahweh with Allah.

Since you boldly asserted that Allah and Yahweh are the same, kindly address the following 5 points

1. Yahweh’s only begotten Son is Jesus Christ. Allah has no begotten son

2. Yahweh’s Christ paid for the sins of mankind and man has salvation by grace. Allah paid for nothing, and all men pay for their own sins through sufficient work

3. There is no marriage in Yahweh’s Paradise. Faithful men and those who die in the cause of Jihad get many virgins (houri) in Allah’s aljana

4. Yahweh’s book is very different from Allah’s book. They contradict each other, so they cannot both be true. For example, the Bible says Christ was resurrected from the dead. The Moslems reject that as a lie based on the Quran.

5. Allah commanded his followers to kill and drive out the followers of Yahweh

Point 5 especially, showed that Allah and Yahweh are not on the same camp. One must be an enemy of the other

Those who have ear will hear
Get wisdom!

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Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by ashjay001(m): 5:36am On Aug 31
lagostokd:


Now you've fully displayed your ignorance!
Next time you want to take garri, just switch to sand with groundnut

One more time, I am not doing any comparison! You are the one equating Yahweh with Allah.

Since you boldly asserted that Allah and Yahweh are the same, kindly address the following 5 points

1. Yahweh’s only begotten Son is Jesus Christ. Allah has no begotten son

2. Yahweh’s Christ paid for the sins of mankind and man has salvation by grace. Allah paid for nothing, and all men pay for their own sins through sufficient work

3. There is no marriage in Yahweh’s Paradise. Faithful men and those who die in the cause of Jihad get many virgins (houri) in Allah’s aljana

4. Yahweh’s book is very different from Allah’s book. They contradict each other, so they cannot both be true. For example, the Bible says Christ was resurrected from the dead. The Moslems reject that as a lie based on the Quran.

5. Allah commanded his followers to kill and drive out the followers of Yahweh

Point 5 especially, showed that Allah and Yahweh are not on the same camp. One must be an enemy of the other

Those who have ear will hear
Get wisdom!


I dont think u've read as varied as u should.

http://crossexamined.org/what-really-happened-at-nicea/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

The truth is, men actually came together to determine d relationship btw Jesus n God. The scriptures available then, were confusing enough to be debated! So, who do u think is right?

Christians or Moslems?



To be clear, they actually had to convene twice!

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Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by menxer: 7:31am On Aug 31
lagostokd:


Now you've fully displayed your ignorance!
Next time you want to take garri, just switch to sand with groundnut

One more time, I am not doing any comparison! You are the one equating Yahweh with Allah.

Since you boldly asserted that Allah and Yahweh are the same, kindly address the following 5 points

1. Yahweh’s only begotten Son is Jesus Christ. Allah has no begotten son

2. Yahweh’s Christ paid for the sins of mankind and man has salvation by grace. Allah paid for nothing, and all men pay for their own sins through sufficient work

3. There is no marriage in Yahweh’s Paradise. Faithful men and those who die in the cause of Jihad get many virgins (houri) in Allah’s aljana

4. Yahweh’s book is very different from Allah’s book. They contradict each other, so they cannot both be true. For example, the Bible says Christ was resurrected from the dead. The Moslems reject that as a lie based on the Quran.

5. Allah commanded his followers to kill and drive out the followers of Yahweh

Point 5 especially, showed that Allah and Yahweh are not on the same camp. One must be an enemy of the other

Those who have ear will hear
Get wisdom!

Am I the one that wrote " the only way to prove that God -Yahweh is the same as God - Allah is to compare their values and expectations from men"? Read through your post again.

What is your definition of "comparison"?
Because the last time I checked:

comparison
kəmˈparɪs(ə)n/
noun
1.a consideration or estimate of the similarities or dissimilarities between two things or people.

It is only ignorance that causes one to compare what one does not know, understand, or imagine.

@ point 5, what happened to the inhabitants of "the promised land"?
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by lagostokd: 4:31pm On Aug 31
menxer:


Am I the one that wrote " the only way to prove that God -Yahweh is the same as God - Allah is to compare their values and expectations from men"? Read through your post again.

What is your definition of "comparison"?
Because the last time I checked:

comparison
kəmˈparɪs(ə)n/
noun
1.a consideration or estimate of the similarities or dissimilarities between two things or people.

It is only ignorance that causes one to compare what one does not know, understand, or imagine.

@ point 5, what happened to the inhabitants of "the promised land"?

Guy, address each of the points!

The fact still remains that Yahweh is not the same as Allah - they are enemies based on Allah's Jihad and "what happened to the inhabitants of the promised land" as you said

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Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by godfromGod: 5:11pm On Aug 31
lagostokd:
Muslims brings us deceptive and disingenuous view of Jesus being same with Isa and "we all worship the same God" chant on a regular basis, and there is rarely any pushback.

The only common ground the Quran has with The Bible on Jesus is just the virgin birth. The biggest issue that separates the two faiths is by far the most important one — was Jesus God, as he claimed?

Christians believe Jesus was simultaneously both the Son of God and the Son of Man, fully divine and fully human. He left no room for doubt about it on numerous occasions, as when, according to John 8:58, he told the Pharisees “before Abraham was, I am.”

That claim, when uttered by any man, was considered blasphemous and deserving of death by the Pharisees. Pilate, Caesar’s man in the Jewish homeland, found nothing under Roman law to justify executing Jesus but, as a matter of political expediency, he ordered the crucifixion.

Three days later, the tomb of Jesus was empty and soon thereafter Jerusalem was in an absolute uproar because, according to the Bible (see Acts 2:14-39), the disciples were telling any one who would listen that they had seen and talked to the resurrected Jesus, who would someday return to judge every person who ever lived.

That’s NOT the Jesus of the Koran, which says at 5:17: “They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ, the son of Mary.” In case there might be any doubt on the point, the Koran adds this at 9:30: “Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!” Being cursed is the worst fate possible for a Muslim.

Similarly, as Jihad Watch’s Robert Spencer notes, the Koran utterly rejects the Christian claim that Jesus died on the cross, saying at 4:157: “And because of their saying: We killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah’s messenger – they did not kill him or crucify him, but it appeared so to them; and those who disagree concerning it are in doubt about it; they have no knowledge of it except pursuit of a conjecture; they did not kill him for certain.”

In other words, the Koran argues that Jesus survived crucifixion. To grasp how completely disconnected that view is from the horrendous reality of such a death, spend a few minutes with this description from National Geographic, which nobody would accuse of being a Christian propaganda tool, of how crucifixion killed.

Jesus personally talked about how he will die in Mathew 16:21-22 “From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life."

And they all came to pass and recorded by both Christian and non-Christian historians.

The Prophet of Islam, Mohammed born about 600 years after Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection attempted to rewrite history and have succeeded in deceiving generations of people.

The Jesus Christ of the Bible is not the same as the Jesus (Prophet Isa) of the Quran

Christians do not worship the same God as Muslims

Below are the major differences between Christianity and Islam

1. God’s only begotten Son is Jesus Christ. Allah has no begotten son

2. God made salvation available by sacrificing His Son and promises salvation by grace to those who believe. Allah sacrificed nothing, and only saves if sufficient works are done.

3. God (Yahweh) has a payment for sins—Jesus Christ. Allah has no payment for sins.

4. God’s Christ paid for the sins of mankind. Allah paid for nothing, and all men pay for their own sins.

5. God’s salvation is through Christ’s work. Allah’s salvation is through people’s works.

6. God’s saving work is, “Come to Christ.” The major part of Moslem salvation is to believe Mohammed was the sum and seal of the prophets.

7. God’s book is very different from Allah’s book. They contradict each other, so they cannot both be true. For example, the Bible says Christ was resurrected from the dead. The Moslems reject that as a lie.

8. God says his Son is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Allah says Christ is “only a messenger” (Chap. 5, “The Food” sect. 10, par. 75).

9. God treats men and women equally. Allah does not.

10. God says marriages today (Christian) are to be monogamous. Allah allows more than one wife.

11. There is no marriage in God’s Paradise. Faithful men and those who die in the cause of Jihad get many virgins (houri) in Allah’s aljana.

Reference: https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/08/no-the-muslim-jesus-is-not-even-close-to-the-jesus-of-the-bible


Religions and fallacies are 5-6


But the Muslim Book make more senses than xtain book
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by menxer: 7:11pm On Aug 31
lagostokd:


Guy, address each of the points!

The fact still remains that Yahweh is not the same as Allah - they are enemies based on Allah's Jihad and "what happened to the inhabitants of the promised land" as you said
Address What points?
You said you are not comparing so?

Is it that you don't know what you are defending or what?

@bolded, that was a question for you.
If Allah sanctioned Jihad, and Yahweh sanctioned the invasion and occupation of the cities in "the promised land," how are they different?
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by lagostokd: 11:49pm On Sep 05
godfromGod:



Religions and fallacies are 5-6


But the Muslim Book make more senses than xtain book

Its funny that the same book inspires death sentence for atheists in Muslim countries

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Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by Habyz(m): 2:17am On Sep 06
lagostokd:
Muslims brings us deceptive and disingenuous view of Jesus being same with Isa and "we all worship the same God" chant on a regular basis, and there is rarely any pushback.

The only common ground the Quran has with The Bible on Jesus is just the virgin birth. The biggest issue that separates the two faiths is by far the most important one — was Jesus God, as he claimed?

Christians believe Jesus was simultaneously both the Son of God and the Son of Man, fully divine and fully human. He left no room for doubt about it on numerous occasions, as when, according to John 8:58, he told the Pharisees “before Abraham was, I am.”

That claim, when uttered by any man, was considered blasphemous and deserving of death by the Pharisees. Pilate, Caesar’s man in the Jewish homeland, found nothing under Roman law to justify executing Jesus but, as a matter of political expediency, he ordered the crucifixion.

Three days later, the tomb of Jesus was empty and soon thereafter Jerusalem was in an absolute uproar because, according to the Bible (see Acts 2:14-39), the disciples were telling any one who would listen that they had seen and talked to the resurrected Jesus, who would someday return to judge every person who ever lived.

That’s NOT the Jesus of the Koran, which says at 5:17: “They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ, the son of Mary.” In case there might be any doubt on the point, the Koran adds this at 9:30: “Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!” Being cursed is the worst fate possible for a Muslim.

Similarly, as Jihad Watch’s Robert Spencer notes, the Koran utterly rejects the Christian claim that Jesus died on the cross, saying at 4:157: “And because of their saying: We killed the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah’s messenger – they did not kill him or crucify him, but it appeared so to them; and those who disagree concerning it are in doubt about it; they have no knowledge of it except pursuit of a conjecture; they did not kill him for certain.”

In other words, the Koran argues that Jesus survived crucifixion. To grasp how completely disconnected that view is from the horrendous reality of such a death, spend a few minutes with this description from National Geographic, which nobody would accuse of being a Christian propaganda tool, of how crucifixion killed.

Jesus personally talked about how he will die in Mathew 16:21-22 “From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life."

And they all came to pass and recorded by both Christian and non-Christian historians.

The Prophet of Islam, Mohammed born about 600 years after Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection attempted to rewrite history and have succeeded in deceiving generations of people.

The Jesus Christ of the Bible is not the same as the Jesus (Prophet Isa) of the Quran

Christians do not worship the same God as Muslims

Below are the major differences between Christianity and Islam

1. God’s only begotten Son is Jesus Christ. Allah has no begotten son
If God has/had a begotten son, how is it that the same son is called God?

2. God made salvation available by sacrificing His Son and promises salvation by grace to those who believe. Allah sacrificed nothing, and only saves if sufficient works are done.
We all believe that God is Alpha and Omega, then why would he have to sacrifice something or someone.
3. God (Yahweh) has a payment for sins—Jesus Christ. Allah has no payment for sins.
Really, If Jesus Christ was the payment for sins why are there still sins in the world today?

4. God’s Christ paid for the sins of mankind. Allah paid for nothing, and all men pay for their own sins.
How has he paid or not paid for sins?
5. God’s salvation is through Christ’s work. Allah’s salvation is through people’s works.
So to be saved Christ is the one to work for you?
6. God’s saving work is, “Come to Christ.” The major part of Moslem salvation is to believe Mohammed was the sum and seal of the prophets.
Muslims believe Muhammad was the last of all prophets. It explains why there are no more prophets except in Christianity where you have modern day prophets and prophetesses.

7. God’s book is very different from Allah’s book. They contradict each other, so they cannot both be true. For example, the Bible says Christ was resurrected from the dead. The Moslems reject that as a lie.
How can he be resurrected when he didn't even die, check out the early Bible that was rediscovered.

8. God says his Son is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Allah says Christ is “only a messenger” (Chap. 5, “The Food” sect. 10, par. 75).
If Jesus Christ is God's only begotten son how is he God, the Quran states that he was a messenger, he was given a message to the people.

9. God treats men and women equally. Allah does not.
How is it that Allah doesn't treat men and women equally and God does when they are different ways to call the name in different languages.
10. God says marriages today (Christian) are to be monogamous. Allah allows more than one wife.
Remember king Solomon had more than a wife, In Islam a man can have more than one wife if he can take care of them, that doesn't mean there isn't a limit to the number of wives.
11. There is no marriage in God’s Paradise. Faithful men and those who die in the cause of Jihad get many virgins (houri) in Allah’s aljana.
Do you even know what Jihad means?

Reference: https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/08/no-the-muslim-jesus-is-not-even-close-to-the-jesus-of-the-bible
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by Ioseph(m): 5:00am On Sep 06
I'm no muslim nor am I a Christian - I am a complete Atheist through and through, but JihadWatch is a sensationalist claptrap filled with pathetically obvious anti-Islamic and pro-US Foreign Policy political motivations and a cherry-picking attitude with regards to history in order to paint Islam as the big bad bad and Christianity as moderate good good, creating the illusion that they have revealed something scandalous about the West's attitudes to the Islamic World. I don't suggest copy-pasting from their pages because it shows the impression that you are not willing nor capable of holding a mature discussion on the subject yourself.

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Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by Hier(m): 6:09am On Sep 06
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Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by lagostokd: 8:59pm On Sep 06
menxer:

Address What points?
You said you are not comparing so?

Is it that you don't know what you are defending or what?

@bolded, that was a question for you.
If Allah sanctioned Jihad, and Yahweh sanctioned the invasion and occupation of the cities in "the promised land," how are they different?


The 'promised land' is the present Israel right?
Yahweh is the God of Israel (God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob).

Allah is the God of the Quran (God of Mohammed) who is still at war with the people of Yahweh

Allah can never be the same person as Yahweh
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by godfromGod: 7:52am On Sep 07
lagostokd:


Its funny that the same book inspires death sentence for atheists in Muslim countries


Exactly like when the bible "God commanded soul to kill the people of Amalech including adults and infants"

If you are really not okay with the Muslims way, then seriously you should also look at your bible and reason out of the religion view...

The whole thing is Brainwashing.

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Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by menxer: 9:47am On Sep 07
lagostokd:


The 'promised land' is the present Israel right?
Yahweh is the God of Israel (God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob).

Allah is the God of the Quran (God of Mohammed) who is still at war with the people of Yahweh

Allah can never be the same person as Yahweh
@bolded, are you an Israelite?

From your comment both Yahweh and Allah are both tribal Gods, and there are many other tribal Gods.

You just shot your argument in the foot
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by lagostokd: 11:42pm On Sep 07
godfromGod:


Exactly like when the bible "God commanded soul to kill the people of Amalech including adults and infants"

If you are really not okay with the Muslims way, then seriously you should also look at your bible and reason out of the religion view...

The whole thing is Brainwashing.

You're the Amalech in this instance... Go to Islamic countries to practice your atheism and get the 'Amalech' treatment

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Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by lagostokd: 11:46pm On Sep 07
menxer:

@bolded, are you an Israelite?

From your comment both Yahweh and Allah are both tribal Gods, and there are many other tribal Gods.

You just shot your argument in the foot

If both Yahweh and Allah are both tribal Gods, what tribe is that of Yahweh and what is that of Allah?

Are the tribes the same?

Since the tribes are not the same, then Yahweh is not the same person as Allah!
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by menxer: 7:45am On Sep 08
lagostokd:


If both Yahweh and Allah are both tribal Gods, what tribe is that of Yahweh and what is that of Allah?

Are the tribes the same?

Since the tribes are not the same, then Yahweh is not the same person as Allah!

Na wa to you ooo!

You said "Yahweh is the God of Israel,"
According to the Bible, is Isreal not a tribe?
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by lagostokd: 11:20pm On Sep 09
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Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by lagostokd: 11:22pm On Sep 09
menxer:

Na wa to you ooo!

You said "Yahweh is the God of Israel,"
According to the Bible, is Isreal not a tribe?


I just proved to you that Yahweh is the God of Israel and Allah is the God of Mohammed, the prophet of Islam which is hostile to Israel. This means that Yahweh is different from Allah.

Now, tell me your argument

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Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by menxer: 6:46am On Sep 10
lagostokd:


I just proved to you that Yahweh is the God of Israel and Allah is the God of Mohammed, the prophet of Islam which is hostile to Israel. This means that Yahweh is different from Allah.

Now, tell me your argument
There is nothing to argue.

Moses from the tribe of Israel brought the worship of Yahweh.
Mohammed from Quraysh tribe brought the worship of Allah.
Making both initially tribal Gods.

Now which God did Jesus preached about?
if Yahweh, how come the requirements from the people changed from what it was in the days of Moses?

Does it mean the God Jesus talked about was different from that of Moses?

These are different men with different concepts of the same God.
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by lagostokd: 2:33pm On Sep 14
menxer:

There is nothing to argue.

Moses from the tribe of Israel brought the worship of Yahweh.
Mohammed from Quraysh tribe brought the worship of Allah.
Making both initially tribal Gods.

Now which God did Jesus preached about?
if Yahweh, how come the requirements from the people changed from what it was in the days of Moses?

Does it mean the God Jesus talked about was different from that of Moses?

These are different men with different concepts of the same God.

Your ignorance is extraordinary!

The God of heaven and earth whose name is Yahweh is not a tribal God!

God was speaking in Psalms 87:4-6

“I will record Rahab and Babylon among those who acknowledge me— Philistia too, and Tyre, along with Cush — and will say, ‘This one was born in Zion.’ ” Indeed, of Zion it will be said, “This one and that one were born in her, and the Most High himself will establish her.” The LORD will write in the register of the peoples: “This one was born in Zion.”

Rahab, Babylon, Philistia, Tyre, and Cush mentioned in the above passage were not Israelites.

The word 'Israel' has three primary layers of meanings:

1. The Jewish people
2. The land/nation of Israel
3. God's covenant family

Not all Israel (Jewish people) are Israel (God's covenant family - the saved). See Romans 9:6

Every man saved by the blood of Jesus no matter the tribe or color belongs to the Israel of God!

To your second question; the answer lies on the mount of transfiguration in Mathew 17: 1-5

After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.

Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”

While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”

To answer your other question, read this

Mathew 19:3 - 9

Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

“Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”

Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

Now, to your last post

The prophet of Islam, Mohammed has no ties with Yahweh! Infact, his message is directly against 'the people of the book' i.e. the followers of Yahweh - the Israel of God.

Mohammed never knew Yahweh because his works are against the works of Jesus

Consider the passage in Mathew 11: 27 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

The Son (Jesus Christ) never revealed the Father to Mohammed!

To have a biblical clue to the message of Mohammed, read Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

Mohammed preached a gospel other than the one preached in the New Testament so the above passage is against him

Jesus prophesied about Islam in John 16:2 They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God.

Mohammed taught Muslims that killing kafirs (Christians) is an offering to Allah which is a fulfillment of Jesus' prophecy in John 16:2


Allah is the God of Mohammed and his followers - the god of Jihad, violence, Sharia, No mercy; Allah is a god that sees the Jews and Christians as the enemy forever

Yahweh is the God of heaven and earth - the God who forgave the adulterous woman; he made the thieve on the cross to enter into paradise; he healed the sick, opened the blind eyes, met the needs of a widow in drought; brought salvation to mankind no matter the sin, tribe or color; loves the sinner but hates sin.

He loves the atheist, the homosexuals, and the prostitutes. He loves Muslims, Buddhist, and every one.

He wants all to come to repentance and be delivered from the coming destruction.

Just believe in the name of Jesus and be saved

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Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by menxer: 3:08pm On Sep 14
lagostokd:


Your ignorance is extraordinary!

The God of heaven and earth whose name is Yahweh is not a tribal God!

God was speaking in Psalms 87:4-6

“I will record Rahab and Babylon among those who acknowledge me— Philistia too, and Tyre, along with Cush — and will say, ‘This one was born in Zion.’ ” Indeed, of Zion it will be said, “This one and that one were born in her, and the Most High himself will establish her.” The LORD will write in the register of the peoples: “This one was born in Zion.”

Rahab, Babylon, Philistia, Tyre, and Cush mentioned in the above passage were not Israelites.

The word 'Israel' has three primary layers of meanings:

1. The Jewish people
2. The land/nation of Israel
3. God's covenant family

Not all Israel (Jewish people) are Israel (God's covenant family - the saved). See Romans 9:6

Every man saved by the blood of Jesus no matter the tribe or color belongs to the Israel of God!

To your second question; the answer lies on the mount of transfiguration in Mathew 17: 1-5

After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.

Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”

While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”

To answer your other question, read this

Mathew 19:3 - 9

Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

“Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”

Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

Now, to your last post

The prophet of Islam, Mohammed has no ties with Yahweh! Infact, his message is directly against 'the people of the book' i.e. the followers of Yahweh - the Israel of God.

Mohammed never knew Yahweh because his works are against the works of Jesus

Consider the passage in Mathew 11: 27 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

The Son (Jesus Christ) never revealed the Father to Mohammed!

To have a biblical clue to the message of Mohammed, read Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

Mohammed preached a gospel other than the one preached in the New Testament so the above passage is against him

Jesus prophesied about Islam in John 16:2 They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God.

Mohammed taught Muslims that killing kafirs (Christians) is an offering to Allah which is a fulfillment of Jesus' prophecy in John 16:2


Allah is the God of Mohammed and his followers - the god of Jihad, violence, Sharia, No mercy; Allah is a god that sees the Jews and Christians as the enemy forever

Yahweh is the God of heaven and earth - the God who forgave the adulterous woman; he made the thieve on the cross to enter into paradise; he healed the sick, opened the blind eyes, met the needs of a widow in drought; brought salvation to mankind no matter the sin, tribe or color; loves the sinner but hates sin.

He loves the atheist, the homosexuals, and the prostitutes. He loves Muslims, Buddhist, and every one.

He wants all to come to repentance and be delivered from the coming destruction.

Just believe in the name of Jesus and be saved


this long sermon just to show how ignorant a person is?

You end up affirming what you set out to refute: Yahweh is the God of the people that followed Moses, of the tribe of Israel and Allah is the God of the people that followed Mohammed, of the Quraysh tribe.

If you check the world over, all tribes have their own Supreme God.

Where and how does the Mayans, Aztec, Sumerians, Atlantians, lemurians and their Supreme Gods fit in all these?
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by lagostokd: 3:18pm On Sep 15
menxer:

this long sermon just to show how ignorant a person is?

You end up affirming what you set out to refute: Yahweh is the God of the people that followed Moses, of the tribe of Israel and Allah is the God of the people that followed Mohammed, of the Quraysh tribe.

If you check the world over, all tribes have their own Supreme God.

Where and how does the Mayans, Aztec, Sumerians, Atlantians, lemurians and their Supreme Gods fit in all these?

You always beat around the bush... why cant you address each of my points?

Get out of this thread since you cannot refute the fact that the God of heaven and earth whose name is Yahweh is not the same person as the Islamic God Allah
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by wolesmile(m): 4:28pm On Sep 15
lagostokd:

Now you've fully displayed your ignorance!
Next time you want to take garri, just switch to sand with groundnut
One more time, I am not doing any comparison! You are the one equating Yahweh with Allah.
Since you boldly asserted that Allah and Yahweh are the same, kindly address the following 5 points
1. Yahweh’s only begotten Son is Jesus Christ. Allah has no begotten son
2. Yahweh’s Christ paid for the sins of mankind and man has salvation by grace. Allah paid for nothing, and all men pay for their own sins through sufficient work
3. There is no marriage in Yahweh’s Paradise. Faithful men and those who die in the cause of Jihad get many virgins (houri) in Allah’s aljana
4. Yahweh’s book is very different from Allah’s book. They contradict each other, so they cannot both be true. For example, the Bible says Christ was resurrected from the dead. The Moslems reject that as a lie based on the Quran.
5. Allah commanded his followers to kill and drive out the followers of Yahweh
Point 5 especially, showed that Allah and Yahweh are not on the same camp. One must be an enemy of the other
Those who have ear will hear
Get wisdom!
Quite interesting!!!
Your point number 5 interests me. Maybe I should ask you, is your "GOD" of the old testament the same as your "GOD" of the new testament? Cos if yes, then he is the same as Allah. And if no, then you guys need to remove the old testament from your book. If you want to debate this, think twice, else you'll have your fate shaken.

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Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by budaatum: 6:15pm On Sep 15
lagostokd:

Use straightforward expression next time!

My post is very clear on the fact that the Jesus Christ of the Bible is different from the Jesus in the Quran when you compare and contrast their values, mission, and historical facts.

The post is not about who is right or who is wrong; it is about the fact that Christianity is different from Islam - they do not worship the same God. The values of the Christian God - Yahweh is different from the values of the Muslim God - Allah
Yet, you are wrong! First Yahweh is not Jesus. Second Yahweh has the same values as Allah. And third, a Muslim and Christian who does not have the value called love of God and his fellow beings is worse than a dog (no insult to the dog is intended).

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Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by menxer: 6:58pm On Sep 15
lagostokd:


You always beat around the bush... why cant you address each of my points?

Get out of this thread since you cannot refute the fact that the God of heaven and earth whose name is Yahweh is not the same person as the Islamic God Allah

In a rational arguement of this nature, it is idiotic to claim Yahweh is the God of Heaven and Earth, because to the Romans, Greeks, Sumerians, Egyptian, Indians, Arabians, Chinese, Mayans, etc they had their own God of Heaven and Earth.

Yahweh is the God of Heaven and Earth when we view things from the Hebrew perspective, but Allah viewed from the Arabian, or Amen-Ra from the Egyptian, or Brahma from Indian, or Quetzalcoatl from Mayan, Anu from Sumerian, ... Perspectives.

Since they all refer to the "God of Heaven and Earth," it begs the question, why only Yahweh should be different if he is also the "God of Heaven and Earth?"

Unless "God of Heaven and Earth" is a title that change hands over the aeons.

If you can, decode what was said in the Matrix :-

Spoon boy: Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth….
Neo: What truth?
Spoon boy: There is no spoon.
Neo: There is no spoon?
Spoon boy: Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.
Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by Olabenjamen22(m): 11:01pm On Sep 15
menxer:
We are so enamoured with the "Jesus" brand name without bothering about having understanding of his message.

Anybody that has a message is a messenger.

If and when we truly awaken, we will realize we are all one at the core.

"before Abraham, I Am" means before man-ifestation there was Consciousness.
Consciousness is still manifesting as you and me, birds and bees, fishes and lions, marijuana and banana, ayahuasca and oranges.

It is only ignorance that causes us to fight over who is right and who is wrong.

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." (Galileo Galilei)
But we are not ready to understand even the discovered truths.


"before Abraham, I Am" means before man-ifestation there was Consciousness.
Consciousness is still manifesting as you and me, birds and bees, fishes and lions, marijuana and banana, ayahuasca and oranges."
Really? Is this how you people use to understand your quran? Devil is indeed a lier. Well let start from his previous statement that make him make that statement?
John 8:56-58 Contemporary English Version (CEV)
56 Your father Abraham was really glad to see me.”
57 “You are not even fifty years old!” they said. “How could you have seen Abraham?”
58 Jesus answered, “I tell you for certain that even before Abraham was, I was, and I am.”
so can you now tell me how your presumption take relate to what Jesus Christ said? Lol well the truth shall prevail. Peace

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