Toks2008:


Can you now see that this thread is laden with vivid citations from the Quran and I'm so glad your eyes are now open to see that the original Arabic writing NEVER CLAIMED THAT SOMEONE'S FACE WAS MADE TO RESEMBLE JESUS FACE...but it was the interpreters that added that lie from the pits of hell.

That quote.."That they boast" that they crucify him...was not and can never be a denial of the true vivid account of Christ crucifixion but a mockery of those who thought they killed him.

Just imagine for a moment that the Quran will ever dare to report that Jesus was not crucified when the bible that was written years before the Quran reported a vivid account by those who witnessed it first hand..sometimes it baffles me how people who claim to be intelligent reason.

Muslims may believe that Jesus never died for them but saying he was never crucified is not only foolish but very absurd.

Toks2008:


What false premise?

I would have prefered the Quran has its own original contents then I would have seen a reason to quote it to buttress my facts but I can not use a copy of the original facts to buttress the original facts.

Were all these not written about Jesus straight from the Quran? are these really not known already from the Bible?

Let's have a run through of what the Quran says about Jesus and we will realize that any Muslim who does not believe in Jesus is indeed a Bad Muslim.

Quran 2:87
We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit.

2:136
We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them . . .

2:253 . . .
To Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the holy spirit.

3:45
O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.

3:46
"He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."

3:48
And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel.

3:49
And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe."

3:50
(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.

3:52
When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah?"

3:55
Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute."

3:59
The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam . . .

3:84 . . . and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord.

4:157
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";-but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.

4:163
We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms.

4:171
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth.

4:172
Christ disdaineth nor to serve and worship Allah . . .

5:17
In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary.

5:46
And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.

5:72
They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode.

5:75
Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food.

5:78
Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary: because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses.

5:110
O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'

5:112
Behold! the disciples, said: "O Jesus the son of Mary! can thy Lord send down to us a table set (with viands) from heaven?" Said Jesus: "Fear Allah, if ye have faith."

5:114
Said Jesus the son of Mary: "O Allah our Lord! Send us from heaven a table set (with viands), that there may be for us-for the first and the last of us-a solemn festival and a sign from thee; and provide for our sustenance, for thou art the best Sustainer (of our needs)."

5:116
Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart . . ."

6:85
And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous.
9:30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah.

9:31
They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).

19:19
He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son."

19:20
She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?"

19:21
He said: "So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us': It is a matter (so) decreed."

19:22
So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place.

19:27
At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!"

19:30
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet."

19:31
"And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live."

19:32
"(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable."

19:33
"So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)!"

19:34
Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.

19:88
They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!"

19:91
That they should invoke a son for (Allah) Most Gracious.

19:92
For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that He should beget a son.

21:91
And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples.

23:50
And We made the son of Mary and his mother as a Sign: We gave them both shelter on high ground, affording rest and security and furnished with springs.

33:7
And remember We took from the prophets their covenant: As (We did) from thee: from Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus the son of Mary: We took from them a solemn covenant.

42:13
The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah-the which We have sent by inspiration to thee-and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).

43:57
When (Jesus) the son of Mary is held up as an example, behold, thy people raise a clamour thereat (in ridicule)!

43:61
And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.

43:63
When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: "Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah and obey me."

57:27
We sent after them Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the Gospel; and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him Compassion and Mercy . . .

61:6
And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"

61:14
O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of Allah: As said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples, "Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the disciples, "We are Allah's helpers!" then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed.

udatso:

I can only imagine how you must be leaping with joy as I did when Messi scored Manchester United with a header in uefa champions league final. I know that feeling. A feeling of victory and achievement. This feeling makes sense if such victory is true.

I NEVER SAID THAT SOMEONE'S FACE WAS MADE TO RESEMBLE HIS FACE. so why are you celebrating like I finally admitted to something I refused to admit to before.
Besides I already explained why translators of the quran would put forward such scenarios. It's all because, such cases wouldn't nullify the statement " appeared so to them but wasn't killed nor crucified". Personally I go with the translation that doesn't tell me how it happened since Allah didn't give explicit and cupious details on that.

Pls explain.


Unfortunately for you, quran reported it since 1400 years ago. And in the history of Islam, we have Christians who accepted Islam and dropped the view that jesus was crucified or killed. So what's your point here exactly


In Islam he was neither killed nor crucified. If the matter pain you for body, come and beat me. I dey my house

Toks2008:


I can see you are very intelligent and I must admit it....nevertheless,that Quran 4:157 is the only obstacle standing in the way of Muslims to enter Jannah.

That citation was a mockery of the thoughts of the enemy of Jesus who thought they killed him...Read again expecially the start.."that they boast"

It is only casting more light to the fact that though it appears to them that they killed Jesus, he was not killed because JESUS CAN NOT BE KILLED but he only went through a transition by willingly giving up the ghost which was why he said these last words.."Father into your hands I commit my spirit" because on the third day,he rose and just as the Quran rightly reported..."He was taken up whole by Allah"

If he never went through transition then why this quote from the Quran...

Quran 19:33
"So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)!"

Empiree:
hummm

udatso:
Empiree what do you have to say?

udatso:

How can you be so sure?

What you are doing now sir is explaining the Quran with holy spirit except the use of holy spirit in discerning verses of scriptures has no basis in islam isn't applicable.

when Allah tells us he wasn't killed, we take it as such except there is an evidence to the contrary. Only then we would then see how these statements can match without contradicting each other. So we don't need to be lead by the spirit to differentiate black from white.


That's because in Islam as recorded in an authentic hadith (sayings of the prophet Muhammad s.a.w), he isa pbuh will live on earth again and die. So he was making reference to this event that will happen in future

Toks2008:


Dude,you did not come to this thread by accident,GOD brought you and the same God gave me a mission to reach out to the house of Ishmael who are the Muslims so that their eyes can be opened to the eternal truth and that they may receive salvation of their souls for many people who do not believe in the salvation of their soul through the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross are burning in hell as I write and many more will end up their if they continue in their unbelieve.

The Quran in 4:157 was totally altered by Islamic scholars from the pit of hell.

God never said this and Prophet Muhammed(,S A.W) never said Jesus was not crucified neither did anyone take his place on the cross.

This is the main reason why many Muslims are in hell as I write because they misconstrued just that vital verses in the Quran.The original Arabic text never said anyone took the face of Christ but was in fact making reference to a certain people as we will clearly see in the illustration below.

Qur'an 4:157: Did Jesus die on the
cross?

For most Muslims Qur’an 4:157 is
evidence from the Qur’an that Jesus
was not crucified and that he didn’t
die. To understand the meaning of
this verse, we should read the
context of this verse from verse 153

“The People of the Scripture ask you
to bring down to them a book from
the heaven. But they had asked of
Moses [even] greater than that and
said, "Show us Allah outright," so the
thunderbolt struck them for their
wrongdoing.

Then they took the calf
[for worship] after clear evidences
had come to them, and We
pardoned that. And We gave Moses
a clear authority. And We raised over
them the mount for [refusal of] their
covenant; and We said to them,
"Enter the gate bowing humbly", and
We said to them, "Do not transgress
on the sabbath", and We took from
them a solemn covenant. And [We
cursed them] for their breaking of
the covenant and their disbelief in
the signs of Allah and their killing of
the prophets without right and their
saying, "Our hearts are wrapped".
Rather, Allah has sealed them
because of their disbelief, so they
believe not, except for a few. And
[We cursed them] for their disbelief
and their saying against Mary a
great slander, (Now notice that this verse 157 is a continuation)And [for] their saying,
"Indeed, we have killed the Messiah,
Jesus, the son of Mary, the
messenger of Allah." And they did
not kill him, nor did they crucify him;
And indeed, those who
differ over it are in doubt about it.
They have no knowledge of it except
the following of assumption. And
they did not kill him, for
certain.”

(Qur’an 4: 153-157).
Look carefully what is meant by
“they” in Qur’an 4:157. In the
previous verses, Qur’an 4:153-156 is
explained what is specified who are
“they”. Qur’an 4:153 is talking about
the Jews. Therefore Qur’an 4:157 is
saying that the Jews did not crucify
Jesus. See also the following Qur’an
verses that it were the Jews:
Quran 4:153: “The People of the
Scripture ask you to bring down to
them a book from the heaven. But
they had asked of Moses [even]
greater than that”.
Quran 4:154: “We said to them, "Do
not transgress on the sabbath", and
We took from them a solemn
covenant”.

Quran 4:155: “Their killing of the
prophets without right and their
saying, ‘Our hearts are wrapped’".
Quran 4:156: “[We cursed them] for
their disbelief and their saying
against Mary a great slander”.
Quran 4:157: “And [for] their saying,
"Indeed, we have killed the Messiah,
Jesus, the son of Mary".
The meaning of Qur’an 4:157 is that
the Jews (Children of Israel) did not
crucify Jesus. They used other
methods for execution such as
stoning. It were the Romans who
used execution for criminals. “And
they did not kill him, nor did they
crucify him; in Qur’an
4:157 is saying that the Jews were
not responsible for the death of
Jesus. It looked like that was the
case.

God gave Jesus the command
to obey God’s will till death and to
be the perfect and divine sacrifice for
the sin of mankind. It was the divine
plan to rescue mankind by the
glorious Savior, Jesus Christ,
according to the words of the
prophets.
Many Muslims are saying that
someone else was crucified because of wrong interpretations by some overzealous Islamic scholars.. They sayy that it was not Jesus who was
crucified and that it only appeared to the people that Jesus was crucified.

So even if i go with the wrong interpretation that someone took the place of Jesus...the big question is...who did? I guess the Qur’an is not providing nformation who that person was and no identity is given of this
person. It is a person who
volunteered to impersonate Jesus
and allowed himself to be crucified
in his place [1]. So this should be a
person with a very high moral
standard and higher than the
faultless Jesus, the Word of God.
This replacement of Jesus, who is
better than Jesus should be a
contradiction in the Qur’an, because
Jesus is faultless (Qur’an 19:19) and
of extreme dignity in this world and
the other world (Qur’an 3:45).

Therefore the only explanation of
Qur’an 4:157 is that Jesus was
crucified by the Romans and not by
the Jews and that he died on the
cross. This seemed to be the
biggest possible defeat of any
prophet or messenger of God who
has all power.

However the death of
Jesus was not the end, because
God raised him from death and this
is the sign that the glorious Jesus
Christ had made a triumph over the
Jewish unbelievers. This is a great
victory of the Most High, who has all
power:

“And the disbelievers planned, but
Allah planned. And Allah is the best
of planners” (Qur’an 3:54).

This is supported by another Qur’an
verse:
“And peace is on me the day I was
born and the day I will die and the
day I am raised alive." (Qur’an
19:33).

The order of this Qur’an verse is (1)
born, (2) died and (3) rose alive [2].
In this way the Qur’an confirms the
Bible about the fact that Jesus was
crucified, died and resurrected. The
Jews did not kill Jesus (Luke
23:24-25), Jesus was crucified
(Luke 23:33, Matthew 27:35-38) ,
died on the cross (Mark 15:37-39,
John 19:32-33) and resurrected
(Luke 24:34). Because Jesus Christ
is risen, his death is the perfect
sacrifice for and purity .

I pray this day that GOD opens your eyes to accept Jesus as your saviour and remember that you don't have to convert to Christianity but just say the prayer of faith and you are automatically saved.

udatso:

Whats ambiguous in HE WASN'T KILLED NOR CRUCIFIED? I have told you that we don't interpret quran with holy spirit. We take what is given to us. Unless there is an irrefutable proof to support your claim. And so far you have none. You keep twisting a very clear verse.

Toks2008:


OK since you still don't want to see the clear context of that Quran passage I would want you to calm down,take a cold glass of water and ask yourself this deep question.

Whose account of a story would you believe?

The one from those who witnessed the story real time or that which was written hundreds of years latter?

May GOD guide us into all truth. One fact is certain,one day you will know the truth about the crucifixon of Christ but I don't pray you do after you leave this world cos you will beg and cry that GOD gives you just few seconds to come back to this world to accept Jesus as your saviour but that plea will not be granted.

As easy as it is for muslims to accept Jesus as their saviour,many have refused and have chosen to die in their unbelieve.

Toks2008:



May GOD guide us into all truth. One fact is certain,one day you will know the truth about the crucifixon of Christ but I don't pray you do after you leave this world.

Empiree:
Your bible refutes crucifixion story

udatso:
Empiree lanrexlan wordworld
Abeg help me explain to this man. I am tired of repeating myself

udatso:
Empiree lanrexlan wordworld
Abeg help me explain to this man. I am tired of repeating myself

WORDWORLD:


Its too easy, dont allow me to make my friend Toks2008 to start running in circles contradicting all his articles of faith. udatso kindly ask: WAS IS GOD THAT WAS NAILED TO THE CROSS OR MAN OR GOD MAN? That is where to start from. Let him explain.

WORDWORLD:


Its too easy, dont allow me to make my friend Toks2008 to start running in circles contradicting all his articles of faith. udatso kindly ask: WAS IS GOD THAT WAS NAILED TO THE CROSS OR MAN OR GOD MAN? That is where to start from. Let him explain.

Empiree:
This is too much oga. It's like putting him in chokehold.

Toks2008:

Were all these not written about Jesus straight from the Quran?

Let's have a run through of what the Quran says about Jesus and we will realize that any Muslim who does not believe in Jesus is indeed a Bad Muslim.

Quran 2:87
We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit.

2:136
We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them . . .

2:253 . . .
To Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the holy spirit.

3:45
O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.

3:46
"He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."

3:48
And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel.

3:49
And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe."

3:50
(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.

3:52
When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah?"

3:55
Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute."

3:59
The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam . . .

3:84 . . . and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord.

4:157
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";-but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.

4:163
We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms.

4:171
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth.

4:172
Christ disdaineth nor to serve and worship Allah . . .

5:17
In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary.

5:46
And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.

5:72
They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode.

5:75
Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food.

5:78
Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary: because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses.

5:110
O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'

5:112
Behold! the disciples, said: "O Jesus the son of Mary! can thy Lord send down to us a table set (with viands) from heaven?" Said Jesus: "Fear Allah, if ye have faith."

5:114
Said Jesus the son of Mary: "O Allah our Lord! Send us from heaven a table set (with viands), that there may be for us-for the first and the last of us-a solemn festival and a sign from thee; and provide for our sustenance, for thou art the best Sustainer (of our needs)."

5:116
Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart . . ."

6:85
And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous.
9:30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah.

9:31
They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).

19:19
He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son."

19:20
She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?"

19:21
He said: "So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us': It is a matter (so) decreed."

19:22
So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place.

19:27
At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!"

19:30
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet."

19:31
"And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live."

19:32
"(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable."

19:33
"So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)!"

19:34
Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.

19:88
They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!"

19:91
That they should invoke a son for (Allah) Most Gracious.

19:92
For it is not consonant with the majesty of (Allah) Most Gracious that He should beget a son.

21:91
And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples.

23:50
And We made the son of Mary and his mother as a Sign: We gave them both shelter on high ground, affording rest and security and furnished with springs.

33:7
And remember We took from the prophets their covenant: As (We did) from thee: from Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus the son of Mary: We took from them a solemn covenant.

42:13
The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah-the which We have sent by inspiration to thee-and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him).

43:57
When (Jesus) the son of Mary is held up as an example, behold, thy people raise a clamour thereat (in ridicule)!

43:61
And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.

43:63
When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: "Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear Allah and obey me."

57:27
We sent after them Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the Gospel; and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him Compassion and Mercy . . .

61:6
And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"

61:14
O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of Allah: As said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples, "Who will be my helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the disciples, "We are Allah's helpers!" then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed.

Empiree:
This is too much oga. It's like putting him in chokehold.

Toks2008:
@ wordworld why all these Grammer just to ask me the question I have answered.

The Bible agrees that Jesus was crucified in John 19:16-18

"16 Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away.
17 And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha:
18 Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst."

As for the Quran,there was no place in the entire original Quran texts where it was clearly stated that Jesus was not crucified but it was presented as a school of thought of the Jews as the context suggests from Quran 4:153 to 157 and here is the quote one more and please pay attention to the way that verse started and the entire sentence.

Quran 4:157
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";-but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not"

The question is "who are the they?" of course the Jews as explained from verse 153 and from the context,it simply made it clear that the Jews thought they killed Jesus but it was the Romans who did by crucifixion which is the form of death Romans use for criminals.

So wordworld why are you asking me a rethorical question?

The bible who I believe in expressly stated that Jesus was crucified so you should be asking out Muslim brothers to tell us who was crucified if they claim it was not Jesus

Please spare yourself the long story.

Originakalokalo:
At OP,. Your dream negates the Bible.

.......It is surely not from God.

udatso:
@ wordworld
I actually thought he was different but after engaging him, I realised he was just another an.as and annu.naki.s of nairaland

Toks2008:


Lol! religion and salvation are totally parallel.

WORDWORLD:


Another running in circle. Jumping from here and to there. Bro YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. YOU ARE LOST AND CONFUSE!!!! You started your thread with "Its is quite disheartening that the world has turned upside down in the name of religion rather than for RELIGION to bring peace.........." Now you are trying to rubbish RELIGION again which you said "rather than for RELIGION to bring peace. I never knew you are this LOW mentally!

Toks2008:


I have observed you for some time now and I have seen that you love to write long epistles without passing any logical message.

You kept asking me "who was crucified and I kept responding,DON'T ASK ME.

I gave you a biblical quote that Jesus was crucified yet you kept ranting aimlessly.

Some muslims (Not all) believe that someone else was crucified so who is that person? Common sense should tell anyone that the best people to answer this are those who say it's not Jesus

My candid advise for you dude...try to pass a message when you write.

Originakalokalo:
At OP,. Your dream negates the Bible.

.......It is surely not from God.

Toks2008:


Lol! religion and salvation are totally parallel.

Originakalokalo:
At OP,. Your dream negates the Bible.

.......It is surely not from God.