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OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by TonyeBarcanista(m): 10:12am On Sep 16, 2017
By TonyeBarcanista


Some people are against the labelling of Indigenous People of Biafra a terrorist group simply because the government is yet to do same for "suspected" Fulani herdsmen that have been causing havoc in parts of the country. But I disagree with such line of thought.

There is no need to be emotional about this subject, people should familiarise themselves with Nigeria Antiterrorism (Protection) Act to see what constitute terrorism, so as to properly appreciate the situation.

IPOB is a terrorist group when you consider the conducts and deeds of their leader Mr Nnamdi Kanu and the group itself and juxtapose them with what constitute terrorism according to the Act. Their conducts contravenes Section 2b and 2c of the Nigeria Antiterrorism (Protection) Act 2011.

That IPOB is classified a terrorist organisation does not in anyway justify the atrocities of the suspected herdsmen.

The problem with that of the suspected herdsmen is that the "herdsmen" is a term for people in the business of cattle rearing and you can't classify those in the line of business as terrorists, you can't even classify MACBAN/Miyetti Allah as such because the association itself does not "openly" support the evil act perpetrated by some of the members as alleged unlike IPOB. Some of them even argued that cattle rustlers not herdsmen are behind the evil attributed to them.

Also, you can't classify "Fulani" a terrorist group because Fulani is a tribe irrespective of the ethnic group of the alleged perpetrators of the heinous crime, same way Igbo wasn't classified terrorists but IPOB despite IPOB members being predominantly Igbo.

Personally, I classify suspected herdsmen that engage in killing of innocent Nigerians as "terrorists" masquerading as herdsmen but I refused to classify the herdsmen itself as terrorists as doing so would be unfair to law abiding people that are engaged in that line of business. Same way it is absolutely wrong for anybody to credit the irresponsible deeds of IPOB group to Igbo tribe or the entire Biafra apologists- we all know that there are thousands of Biafra apologists that doesn't subscribe to the IPOB ideology and it will be of great disservice to humanity and unfair to them to rope them in for what they neither subscribed to nor encouraged.

This is not a matter of sentiment let us be guided and embrace peaceful coexistence and even if "we" want out, there are legitimate and proper route to follow because self determination is the right of all.






May God Bless Us All And Bless Nigeria

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by LUGBE: 10:12am On Sep 16, 2017
Useless way of doing things

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by kendrick9(m): 10:15am On Sep 16, 2017
wasn't Fulani herdsmen rated as the 4th deadliest terrorist group in the world...am I missing something here?

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by obyrich(m): 10:18am On Sep 16, 2017
kendrick9:
wasn't Fulani herdsmen rated as the 4th deadliest terrorist group in the world...am I missing something here?

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by letusbepieces: 10:18am On Sep 16, 2017
TonyeBarcanista:
By TonyeBarcanista


[s]Some people are against the labelling of Indigenous People of Biafra a terrorist group simply because the government is yet to do same for "suspected" Fulani herdsmen that have been causing havoc in parts of the country. But I disagree with such line of thought.

There is no need to be emotional about this subject, people should familiarise themselves with Nigeria Antiterrorism (Protection) Act to see what constitute terrorism, so as to properly appreciate the situation.

IPOB is a terrorist group when you consider the conducts and deeds of their leader Mr Nnamdi Kanu and the group itself and juxtapose them with what constitute terrorism according to the Act. Their conducts contravenes Section 2b and 2c of the Nigeria Antiterrorism (Protection) Act 2011.

That IPOB is classified a terrorist organisation does not in anyway justify the atrocities of the suspected herdsmen.

The problem with that of the suspected herdsmen is that the "herdsmen" is a term for people in the business of cattle rearing and you can't classify those in the line of business as terrorists, you can't even classify MACBAN/Miyetti Allah as such because the association itself does not "openly" support the evil act perpetrated by some of the members as alleged unlike IPOB. Some of them even argued that cattle rustlers not herdsmen are behind the evil attributed to them.

Also, you can't classify "Fulani" a terrorist group because Fulani is a tribe irrespective of the ethnic group of the alleged perpetrators of the heinous crime, same way Igbo wasn't classified terrorists but IPOB despite IPOB members being predominantly Igbo.

Personally, I classify suspected herdsmen that engage in killing of innocent Nigerians as "terrorists" masquerading as herdsmen but I refused to classify the herdsmen itself as terrorists as doing so would be unfair to law abiding people that are engaged in that line of business. Same way it is absolutely wrong for anybody to credit the irresponsible deeds of IPOB group to Igbo tribe or the entire Biafra apologists- we all know that there are thousands of Biafra apologists that doesn't subscribe to the IPOB ideology and it will be of great disservice to humanity and unfair to them to rope them in for what they neither subscribed to nor encouraged.

This is not a matter of sentiment let us be guided and embrace peaceful coexistence and even if "we" want out, there are legitimate and proper route to follow because self determination is the right of all.






May God Bless Us All And Bless Nigeria[/s]

IN A CIVILISED WORLD, WE CANNOT ACCEPT AND APPLAUD TYRANNY.

U ARE INNOCENT, UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY BEFORE A COURT OF COMPETENT JURISDICTION.

IPOB HAS EXERCISED THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT AND UN GUARANTEED HUMAN RIGHTS.

THEY PAID FOR THAT WITH THEIR LIFE. LET US NOT DANCE ON THEIR GRAVE BECOS TOMORROW, U MAYBE NEXT.

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by HiddenShadow: 10:19am On Sep 16, 2017
Fulani herdsmen are terrorists that have done more harm than Boko Haram


Tonyebarcanista, no amount of lies and deceits will ever get you close to the corridors of power


People like you end up being rejected by all political parties


Since Operation Python Dance, how many Fulani herdsmen carrying AK 47 have been arrested


Fulani herdsmen are terrorists.

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by DickDastardLION(m): 10:19am On Sep 16, 2017
Lost Tonye toiling very hard to please and be allowed back into the mainstream. grin cheesy

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by madridguy(m): 10:19am On Sep 16, 2017
Nice write up from the magic hand of nairaland.

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by TonyeBarcanista(m): 10:20am On Sep 16, 2017
kendrick9:
wasn't Fulani herdsmen rated as the 4th deadliest terrorist group in the world...am I missing something here?
Who rated them? Some journalists?

Do you understand that "Fulani" is a tribe and "herdsmen" Is a trade. You can't proscribe a tribe nor a legitimate trade. You can only proscribe a group engaged in illegitimate/improper activities...


Same way you can't proscribe Igbo (tribe) and Biafra agitation (ideology) but you can proscribe IPOB (group)

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by sarrki(m): 10:21am On Sep 16, 2017
Baba be ready to receive bashing

They are coming for you

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by letusbepieces: 10:22am On Sep 16, 2017
HiddenShadow:
Fulani herdsmen are terrorists that have done more harm than Boko Haram


Tonyebarcanista, no amount of lies and deceits will ever get you close to the corridors of power


People like you end up being rejected by all political parties


Since Operation Python Dance, how many Fulani herdsmen carrying AK 47 have been arrested


Fulani herdsmen are terrorists.

THE RIGHT THING FOR BUHARI TO HAVE DONE IS FOR HIS COURTS IN ABUJA TO STOP POSTPONING NNAMDI KANU CASE.

ALLOW THE LAW TO RUN ITS FULL COURSE.

RATHER HE WENT ON A KILLING SPREE OF IGBOS THAT HE REFUSED APPOINTMENT AND CALLED 5%, SIMPLY BECOS HE IS THE PRESIDENT AND COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF ARMED FORCES AND DEY DID NOT VOTE FOR HIM.

HE BY-PASS PARLIAMENT AND HAD NO MANDATE OR AUTHORISATION TO DEPLOY TROOPS IN ACTION AGAINST ARMLESS CIVILIANS, WHO RESULTED TO STICKS AND STONES TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by aolawale025: 10:22am On Sep 16, 2017
Let's call a spade by its name. Terror is terror. If the UN has labelled herdsmen a terrorist group. Are we saying the ones in Nigeria are a different breed.

Affected states can start by classifying them as terrorist maybe the FG would take it from there

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by kendrick9(m): 10:22am On Sep 16, 2017
I'm not in support of ipob ways but there is no way on earth u can justify labelling ipob terrorist and not doing same for Fulani herds man....
U should be ashamed for opening this useless thread....

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by TonyeBarcanista(m): 10:23am On Sep 16, 2017
aolawale025:
Let's call a spade by its name. Terror is terror. If the UN has labelled herdsmen a terrorist group. Are we saying the ones in Nigeria are a different breed.

Affected states can start by classifying them as terrorist maybe the FG would take it from there
Which UN labelled herdsmen a terrorist group? Herdsmen are businessmen engaged in the line of Cattle rearing.

Please, I need to see the UN resolution that proscribed cattle rearing

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by TonyeBarcanista(m): 10:24am On Sep 16, 2017
kendrick9:
I'm not in support of ipob ways but there is no way on earth u can justify labelling ipob terrorist and not doing same for Fulani herds man....
U should be ashamed for opening this useless thread....
Can you read?

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by LordOfNaira: 10:24am On Sep 16, 2017
letusbepieces:


IN A CIVILISED WORLD, WE CANNOT ACCEPT AND APPLAUD TYRANNY.

U ARE INNOCENT, UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY BEFORE A COURT OF COMPETENT JURISDICTION.

IPOB HAS EXERCISED THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT AND UN GUARANTEED HUMAN RIGHTS.

THEY PAID FOR THAT WITH THEIR LIFE. LET US NOT DANCE ON THEIR GRAVE BECOS TOMORROW, U MAYBE NEXT.

IPOB is a terrorist group. They set up illegal roadblocks, intimidate people, make threats, etc, etc.

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by fergie001: 10:25am On Sep 16, 2017
Ahhhh,Tonye;with this argument of yours,
And to think you were one of the voices,our youths should have a hope on....

Let me help Tonye summarize:
Igbos are terrorists
Fulani Herdsmen are Freedom-Fighters


You are beyond redemption,am sorry

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by freeze001(f): 10:25am On Sep 16, 2017
E be like say APDA runs no too favour Tonye.. The sure card of acceptance in Nigeria is veiled or outright antagonism of Igbos so why not?

He is quoting terrorism act but conveniently skips the procedure for declaring a group a terrorist one. Does the Army have the legal power to unilaterally declare any group as terrorists? Tonyebarcanista will support an outright illegality just to remain relevant. The same army in its statement on Thursday clearly pronounced that the group does not carry arms and then Friday declares it an armed terrorist group.

Op claims that MACBAN cannot be declared a terrorist group because the group does not support the murderous, terrorist activities of some of its members but their leader is on record explaining and justifying why they perpetrated attacks against innocent people yet that is not support.

Southerners that have sold their souls to the devil because of political gains will end up in the belly of the fish.

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by ideologies(m): 10:26am On Sep 16, 2017
Op has finally gone nuts,
I guess he just got alert from liar Mohammed,

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by kendrick9(m): 10:26am On Sep 16, 2017
TonyeBarcanista:

Who rated them? Some journalists?

Do you understand that "Fulani" is a tribe and "herdsmen" Is a trade. You can't proscribe a tribe nor a legitimate trade. You can only proscribe a group engaged in illegitimate/improper activities...


Same way you can't proscribe Igbo (tribe) and Biafra agitation (ideology) but you can proscribe IPOB (group)
they were called so by the international bodies....
and u also have to look at the damage they have done from Benue to kogi,enugu,delta and so on...
u don't need a soothsayer to tell u who has caused more damage

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by Homeboiy: 10:26am On Sep 16, 2017
TonyeBarcanista:
By TonyeBarcanista


Some people are against the labelling of Indigenous People of Biafra a terrorist group simply because the government is yet to do same for "suspected" Fulani herdsmen that have been causing havoc in parts of the country. But I disagree with such line of thought.

There is no need to be emotional about this subject, people should familiarise themselves with Nigeria Antiterrorism (Protection) Act to see what constitute terrorism, so as to properly appreciate the situation.

IPOB is a terrorist group when you consider the conducts and deeds of their leader Mr Nnamdi Kanu and the group itself and juxtapose them with what constitute terrorism according to the Act. Their conducts contravenes Section 2b and 2c of the Nigeria Antiterrorism (Protection) Act 2011.

That IPOB is classified a terrorist organisation does not in anyway justify the atrocities of the suspected herdsmen.

The problem with that of the suspected herdsmen is that the "herdsmen" is a term for people in the business of cattle rearing and you can't classify those in the line of business as terrorists, you can't even classify MACBAN/Miyetti Allah as such because the association itself does not "openly" support the evil act perpetrated by some of the members as alleged unlike IPOB. Some of them even argued that cattle rustlers not herdsmen are behind the evil attributed to them.

Also, you can't classify "Fulani" a terrorist group because Fulani is a tribe irrespective of the ethnic group of the alleged perpetrators of the heinous crime, same way Igbo wasn't classified terrorists but IPOB despite IPOB members being predominantly Igbo.

Personally, I classify suspected herdsmen that engage in killing of innocent Nigerians as "terrorists" masquerading as herdsmen but I refused to classify the herdsmen itself as terrorists as doing so would be unfair to law abiding people that are engaged in that line of business. Same way it is absolutely wrong for anybody to credit the irresponsible deeds of IPOB group to Igbo tribe or the entire Biafra apologists- we all know that there are thousands of Biafra apologists that doesn't subscribe to the IPOB ideology and it will be of great disservice to humanity and unfair to them to rope them in for what they neither subscribed to nor encouraged.

This is not a matter of sentiment let us be guided and embrace peaceful coexistence and even if "we" want out, there are legitimate and proper route to follow because self determination is the right of all.






May God Bless Us All And Bless Nigeria





Will u stop writing rubbish


Adpa don tire u won take style join Apc

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by letusbepieces: 10:27am On Sep 16, 2017
LordOfNaira:


IPOB is a terrorist group. They set up illegal roadblocks, intimidate people, make threats, etc, etc.


U WILL SOON SEE TERRORISM IN LAGOS. DON'T CRY THEN. WEN DEY PUT BOMB EVERYWHERE.

EVEN IF IPOB STARTS TO DEAL WITH U PEOPLE, HOW WILL DAT HELP NIGERIA TO STAY UNITED.

STOP LACKING AND START GAINING WISDOM.

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by hucienda: 10:28am On Sep 16, 2017
be like APDA don enta voicemail. cheesy

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by APCsupporter: 10:28am On Sep 16, 2017
letusbepieces:


IN A CIVILISED WORLD, WE CANNOT ACCEPT AND APPLAUD TYRANNY.

U ARE INNOCENT, UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY BEFORE A COURT OF COMPETENT JURISDICTION.

IPOB HAS EXERCISED THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT AND UN GUARANTEED HUMAN RIGHTS.

THEY PAID FOR THAT WITH THEIR LIFE. LET US NOT DANCE ON THEIR GRAVE BECOS TOMORROW, U MAYBE NEXT.

I don't know why you guys love hypocrisy so much.

your leader ordered you to go on rampage if the court should order his arrest even though it is very clear that he has violated virtually all of his bail conditions

he created an army in the country and threatened to cut off the head of the president

He promised to nuke the country with the help of Trump, Putin and Israel and urged you to kill innocent Yoruba and Fulani people and you have started doing that already. over 3 mosques were burnt down by ipob yesterday and many Hausa people were killed.

The op is right. Ipob is fast becoming a terrorist organization that needs to be stopped in time before it becomes another monster like Boko Haram

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by Nobody: 10:28am On Sep 16, 2017
TonyeBarcanista:
By TonyeBarcanista


Some people are against the labelling of Indigenous People of Biafra a terrorist group simply because the government is yet to do same for "suspected" Fulani herdsmen that have been causing havoc in parts of the country. But I disagree with such line of thought.

There is no need to be emotional about this subject, people should familiarise themselves with Nigeria Antiterrorism (Protection) Act to see what constitute terrorism, so as to properly appreciate the situation.

IPOB is a terrorist group when you consider the conducts and deeds of their leader Mr Nnamdi Kanu and the group itself and juxtapose them with what constitute terrorism according to the Act. Their conducts contravenes Section 2b and 2c of the Nigeria Antiterrorism (Protection) Act 2011.

That IPOB is classified a terrorist organisation does not in anyway justify the atrocities of the suspected herdsmen.

The problem with that of the suspected herdsmen is that the "herdsmen" is a term for people in the business of cattle rearing and you can't classify those in the line of business as terrorists, you can't even classify MACBAN/Miyetti Allah as such because the association itself does not "openly" support the evil act perpetrated by some of the members as alleged unlike IPOB. Some of them even argued that cattle rustlers not herdsmen are behind the evil attributed to them.

Also, you can't classify "Fulani" a terrorist group because Fulani is a tribe irrespective of the ethnic group of the alleged perpetrators of the heinous crime, same way Igbo wasn't classified terrorists but IPOB despite IPOB members being predominantly Igbo.

Personally, I classify suspected herdsmen that engage in killing of innocent Nigerians as "terrorists" masquerading as herdsmen but I refused to classify the herdsmen itself as terrorists as doing so would be unfair to law abiding people that are engaged in that line of business. Same way it is absolutely wrong for anybody to credit the irresponsible deeds of IPOB group to Igbo tribe or the entire Biafra apologists- we all know that there are thousands of Biafra apologists that doesn't subscribe to the IPOB ideology and it will be of great disservice to humanity and unfair to them to rope them in for what they neither subscribed to nor encouraged.

This is not a matter of sentiment let us be guided and embrace peaceful coexistence and even if "we" want out, there are legitimate and proper route to follow because self determination is the right of all.






May God Bless Us All And Bless Nigeria

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by LordOfNaira: 10:29am On Sep 16, 2017
kendrick9:
I'm not in support of ipob ways but there is no way on earth u can justify labelling ipob terrorist and not doing same for Fulani herds man....
U should be ashamed for opening this useless thread....

There is a difference between Fulani militia (regarded as terrorists) and Fulani herdsmen under registered associations (who are businessmen).

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by letusbepieces: 10:29am On Sep 16, 2017
JUST THINK ABOUT IT, IT IS LIKE DEY ARE BEGGING FOR TERRORISM.

IPOB IS TERRORIST BUT THE ARMY SHOOTING UNNECESSARILY IN RESIDENTIAL AREA IS WAT ?

IF IPOB GOES ROGUE AND DECIDE TO PLACE BOMBS EVERYWHERE IN LAGOS, HOW DOES DAT HELP NIGERIA TO REMAIN UNITED.

WONT YORUBAS BEG FOR DIVISION THEN?

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by kendrick9(m): 10:30am On Sep 16, 2017
freeze001:
Tonyebarcanista will support an outright illegality just to remain relevant.

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by TonyeBarcanista(m): 10:30am On Sep 16, 2017
kendrick9:
they were called so by the international bodies....
and u also have to look at the damage they have done from Benue to kogi,enugu,delta and so on...
u don't need a soothsayer to tell u who has caused more damage
Who are the international bodies that termed people engaged in the business of cattle rearing as "terrorists"? Pls can you refer me to any?


And I hope you didn't skip this...
Personally, I classify suspected herdsmen that engage in killing of innocent Nigerians as "terrorists" masquerading as herdsmen
Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by letusbepieces: 10:31am On Sep 16, 2017
MIND U, DEY WONT CALL IPOB ACTION TERRORISM, BUT RATHER PARAMILITARY.

GO AND GOOGLE PARAMILITARY AND TERRORISM FOR DEFINITION.

BESIDES IF SUCH WAS TO HAPPEN, IT WILL NOT BE IPOB BUT RATHER ANOTHER GROUP.

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Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by LordOfNaira: 10:32am On Sep 16, 2017
letusbepieces:



U WILL SOON SEE TERRORISM IN LAGOS. DON'T CRY THEN. WEN DEY PUT BOMB EVERYWHERE.

EVEN IF IPOB STARTS TO DEAL WITH U PEOPLE, HOW WILL DAT HELP NIGERIA TO STAY UNITED.

STOP LACKING AND START GAINING WISDOM.

If you are hurt that IPOB has become a terrorist group, go and swim in potor. You will feel alright. If you don't, you can start hustling for Cambodian visa.

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