| Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by sleazy5(m): 11:07am On Sep 16, 2017 |
TonyeBarcanista:
Did Jonathan approach any court when he labelled BH terrorists? Are you saying it was illegal? Why not go to court then You read the law. But your comments does not reflect whether you read the law or not. Where is it stated that the president must approach the court? The law prescribes the applucatiob shall be made by the AGF, NSA, or IGP on the approval of the President. You are just too sentimental in your argument. 2 Likes |
| Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by idupaul: 11:12am On Sep 16, 2017 |
All the govt has done is rail road IPOB into terrorism and it's a great mistake .Another poor call from the Buhari govt but I am not suprised because Buhari and poor calls Na 5&6 3 Likes |
| Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by TonyeBarcanista(m): 11:12am On Sep 16, 2017 |
freeze001:
Before a group is formally and legally declared as a terrorist organisation a judge must sign off on that order. It must be gazetted and all of these responsibilities rest on the AGF with the approval of the President. What we have is a state apparatus usurping the procedure of law and the role of the judiciary. What court order sanctioned this? The AGF cannot abdicate his responsibilities to the Army without an official communication to that effect. Where is it? Where is the official gazette by the FG declaring IPOB a terrorist organisation?
So, until the AGF says otherwise, the law can be shafted and portrayed in any favourable light? Are you for real?! The Army has no role to play in this process. Whatever Intel and evidence it has to that effect must be passed on to the AGF and ruled upon by the Court. Where is this document? So to you, the AGF will authorise the Army to do this with recourse to the Court?
https://www.nairaland.com/4058219/why-it-illegal-declare-ipob
Read this link and learn the proper procedures. You may hate IPOB but commending the Army in this dance of shame and desecration of law can only do even more harm. Do not condone illegality just because it is directed at a people u hate and despise. Was it the court that proscribed BH? Are you saying it was illegal? Lol |
| Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by TonyeBarcanista(m): 11:14am On Sep 16, 2017 |
sleazy5:
You read the law. But your comments does not reflect whether you read the law or not. Where is it stated that the president must approach the court? The law prescribes the applucatiob shall be made by the AGF, NSA, or IGP on the approval of the President. You are just too sentimental in your argument. So how are you sure that the AGF/President aren't the ones that gave the military the approval to make the announcement? Have they cone out to state otherwise? |
| Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by aolawale025: 11:16am On Sep 16, 2017 |
TonyeBarcanista:
If I masquerade as the son of your father and commit crime, should it then be attributed to your family? You've crossed boundaries. I have nothing more to say to you. |
| Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by freeze001(f): 11:17am On Sep 16, 2017 |
TonyeBarcanista:
Was it the court that proscribed BH? Are you saying it was illegal? Lol The Antiterrorism Act was not in force before BH. You urself pointed out that it is the actions of BH that brought about the enactment of the Act. 1 Like |
| Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by Nobody: 11:23am On Sep 16, 2017 |
TonyeBarcanista:
By TonyeBarcanista
Some people are against the labelling of Indigenous People of Biafra a terrorist group simply because the government is yet to do same for "suspected" Fulani herdsmen that have been causing havoc in parts of the country. But I disagree with such line of thought.
There is no need to be emotional about this subject, people should familiarise themselves with Nigeria Antiterrorism (Protection) Act to see what constitute terrorism, so as to properly appreciate the situation.
IPOB is a terrorist group when you consider the conducts and deeds of their leader Mr Nnamdi Kanu and the group itself and juxtapose them with what constitute terrorism according to the Act. Their conducts contravenes Section 2b and 2c of the Nigeria Antiterrorism (Protection) Act 2011.
That IPOB is classified a terrorist organisation does not in anyway justify the atrocities of the suspected herdsmen.
The problem with that of the suspected herdsmen is that the "herdsmen" is a term for people in the business of cattle rearing and you can't classify those in the line of business as terrorists, you can't even classify MACBAN/Miyetti Allah as such because the association itself does not "openly" support the evil act perpetrated by some of the members as alleged unlike IPOB. Some of them even argued that cattle rustlers not herdsmen are behind the evil attributed to them.
Also, you can't classify "Fulani" a terrorist group because Fulani is a tribe irrespective of the ethnic group of the alleged perpetrators of the heinous crime, same way Igbo wasn't classified terrorists but IPOB despite IPOB members being predominantly Igbo.
Personally, I classify suspected herdsmen that engage in killing of innocent Nigerians as "terrorists" masquerading as herdsmen but I refused to classify the herdsmen itself as terrorists as doing so would be unfair to law abiding people that are engaged in that line of business. Same way it is absolutely wrong for anybody to credit the irresponsible deeds of IPOB group to Igbo tribe or the entire Biafra apologists- we all know that there are thousands of Biafra apologists that doesn't subscribe to the IPOB ideology and it will be of great disservice to humanity and unfair to them to rope them in for what they neither subscribed to nor encouraged.
This is not a matter of sentiment let us be guided and embrace peaceful coexistence and even if "we" want out, there are legitimate and proper route to follow because self determination is the right of all.
May God Bless Us All And Bless Nigeria I wouldn't wish pain to to your family, the way Fulani's have done to many family. But repent from this your crooked life. I stand to correct that you are not from the south and stop answering tonye. you are either from the west or the north. But I believed you are a Muslim. Stop claiming rivers. |
| Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by TonyeBarcanista(m): 11:24am On Sep 16, 2017 |
freeze001:
The Antiterrorism Act was not in force before BH. You urself pointed out that it is the actions of BH that brought about the enactment of the Act. Lol APT was signed in 2011 and BH was proscribed in 2013... Jonathan even referred to the Act during the proscription. Lol |
| Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by Opinionated: 11:34am On Sep 16, 2017 |
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| Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by Nobody: 11:48am On Sep 16, 2017 |
Op when your confronted with fulani headsmen in your farm, we will know who is the real terrorist. After they plug out your eyes and feed it to their dogs, they will cut you for suya. Rubbish!!! Even if we don't support IPOB actions, saying they are terrorists and fulani headsmen are not is madness!! ! May fulani headsmen pay you a visit tonight, say Amen! |
| Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by FTrebirth(m): 11:50am On Sep 16, 2017 |
TonyeBarcanista:
So if some police officers come together to perpetuate evil, will you proscribe the Nigeria police? why do reason like a kid? is it a constitutional right for fulani herdsmen to carry arms? but they carry ak rifles, daggers and arrows, destroy farmlands and attack farmers, communities...yet nobody has come out to declare them terrorists. |
| Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by otitokoroleti: 11:52am On Sep 16, 2017 |
TonyeBarcanista:
By TonyeBarcanista
Some people are against the labelling of Indigenous People of Biafra a terrorist group simply because the government is yet to do same for "suspected" Fulani herdsmen that have been causing havoc in parts of the country. But I disagree with such line of thought.
There is no need to be emotional about this subject, people should familiarise themselves with Nigeria Antiterrorism (Protection) Act to see what constitute terrorism, so as to properly appreciate the situation.
IPOB is a terrorist group when you consider the conducts and deeds of their leader Mr Nnamdi Kanu and the group itself and juxtapose them with what constitute terrorism according to the Act. Their conducts contravenes Section 2b and 2c of the Nigeria Antiterrorism (Protection) Act 2011.
That IPOB is classified a terrorist organisation does not in anyway justify the atrocities of the suspected herdsmen.
The problem with that of the suspected herdsmen is that the "herdsmen" is a term for people in the business of cattle rearing and you can't classify those in the line of business as terrorists, you can't even classify MACBAN/Miyetti Allah as such because the association itself does not "openly" support the evil act perpetrated by some of the members as alleged unlike IPOB. Some of them even argued that cattle rustlers not herdsmen are behind the evil attributed to them.
Also, you can't classify "Fulani" a terrorist group because Fulani is a tribe irrespective of the ethnic group of the alleged perpetrators of the heinous crime, same way Igbo wasn't classified terrorists but IPOB despite IPOB members being predominantly Igbo.
Personally, I classify suspected herdsmen that engage in killing of innocent Nigerians as "terrorists" masquerading as herdsmen but I refused to classify the herdsmen itself as terrorists as doing so would be unfair to law abiding people that are engaged in that line of business. Same way it is absolutely wrong for anybody to credit the irresponsible deeds of IPOB group to Igbo tribe or the entire Biafra apologists- we all know that there are thousands of Biafra apologists that doesn't subscribe to the IPOB ideology and it will be of great disservice to humanity and unfair to them to rope them in for what they neither subscribed to nor encouraged.
This is not a matter of sentiment let us be guided and embrace peaceful coexistence and even if "we" want out, there are legitimate and proper route to follow because self determination is the right of all.
May God Bless Us All And Bless Nigeria 
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| Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by realhumanity: 12:26pm On Sep 16, 2017 |
It seems that you failed woefully in English language class. Why separate the words to relay your point? Which rule of English taught you that?
Fulani herdsmen are terrorists because they cause terror in the hearts of people living in communities. If you check the number of atrocities committed by these people this year alone, they will only be second to ISIS.
When it comes to IPOB, they call themselves indigenous people of Biafra. Let us analyze it properly:
1. Do igbos in general consider themselves biafrans by heart or attitude - yes.
2. I know you know the meaning of indigenous people, and you as well know that nothing in the names gives a red flag - yes.
3. Do you have touts who block streets in Lagos and Kano whenever activities are going on? Yes. Some even say there will be curfew from a particular time to a particular time and anything you see is on your head.
4. When people are fighting street fight, do they carry machetes and guns? Yes. Do you consider everyone living in that street terrorists because they fought street fight? No
5. Do you have vigilantes in your community? If yes, what is their names and what are their primary duties?
If you are going to be clever, try as much as possible to come foolproof. |
| Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by freeze001(f): 1:15pm On Sep 16, 2017 |
TonyeBarcanista:
Lol APT was signed in 2011 and BH was proscribed in 2013...
Jonathan even referred to the Act during the proscription. Lol https://www.google.com.ng/amp/www.premiumtimesng.com/news/137586-jonathan-officially-declares-boko-haram-a-terrorist-organisation.html/ampRead this and many other links reporting the proscription of Boko haram. He approved the gazette of an order doing so and that was a signed court order. Procedures were followed and it was gazetted before it was announced. The Army is not the authority to do so and is not the President to approve the order, gazette and declare so. Continue supporting illegality; it will backfire in ye entire country when the military gets high on the euphoria of usurping civil authority and turning the law on its head. |
| Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by nwabobo: 10:32pm On Sep 18, 2017 |
TonyeBarcanista:
By TonyeBarcanista
Some people are against the labelling of Indigenous People of Biafra a terrorist group simply because the government is yet to do same for "suspected" Fulani herdsmen that have been causing havoc in parts of the country. But I disagree with such line of thought.
There is no need to be emotional about this subject, people should familiarise themselves with Nigeria Antiterrorism (Protection) Act to see what constitute terrorism, so as to properly appreciate the situation.
IPOB is a terrorist group when you consider the conducts and deeds of their leader Mr Nnamdi Kanu and the group itself and juxtapose them with what constitute terrorism according to the Act. Their conducts contravenes Section 2b and 2c of the Nigeria Antiterrorism (Protection) Act 2011.
That IPOB is classified a terrorist organisation does not in anyway justify the atrocities of the suspected herdsmen.
The problem with that of the suspected herdsmen is that the "herdsmen" is a term for people in the business of cattle rearing and you can't classify those in the line of business as terrorists, you can't even classify MACBAN/Miyetti Allah as such because the association itself does not "openly" support the evil act perpetrated by some of the members as alleged unlike IPOB. Some of them even argued that cattle rustlers not herdsmen are behind the evil attributed to them.
Also, you can't classify "Fulani" a terrorist group because Fulani is a tribe irrespective of the ethnic group of the alleged perpetrators of the heinous crime, same way Igbo wasn't classified terrorists but IPOB despite IPOB members being predominantly Igbo.
Personally, I classify suspected herdsmen that engage in killing of innocent Nigerians as "terrorists" masquerading as herdsmen but I refused to classify the herdsmen itself as terrorists as doing so would be unfair to law abiding people that are engaged in that line of business. Same way it is absolutely wrong for anybody to credit the irresponsible deeds of IPOB group to Igbo tribe or the entire Biafra apologists- we all know that there are thousands of Biafra apologists that doesn't subscribe to the IPOB ideology and it will be of great disservice to humanity and unfair to them to rope them in for what they neither subscribed to nor encouraged.
This is not a matter of sentiment let us be guided and embrace peaceful coexistence and even if "we" want out, there are legitimate and proper route to follow because self determination is the right of all.
May God Bless Us All And Bless Nigeria Inigenous people of Biafra is also not an organisation but thevremanahts of those from the region hitherto known as Biafra who survived the war and their offsprings. |
| Re: OPINION: Why It Is Improper To Proscribe Fulani Herdsmen by SlayerForever: 11:28pm On Sep 18, 2017 |
Just how low can people go?
An unexamined life is not worth living - Socrates. |
