lonikit:


do they hav separate session to announce every Sunday that u should visit and help the widow and fatherless like they do to the tithe

do they tell u that tithe is meant for the following:
levites,
widow,
strangers and fatherless


be sincere with ur answers if u are truely a Christian

let me tell u as a mata of fact,WINNERS. give widows/scholarship to students yearly from that tithes #Fact.

ipobarecriminals:
how do u knw that dem nor talk about that on Sunday?Have u been to all?

av bn to many and I hear many on mics. service will not end in some churches without the session of tithes but yet no special attention given to the widow and Fatherless wch constitutes the perfect religion

ipobarecriminals:
let me tell u as a mata of fact,WINNERS. give widows/scholarship to students yearly from that tithes #Fact.

lolzzz. u seem not to understand.

which one do u hear more on Sundays; tithe or helping the widow and featherless

lonikit:


lolzzz. u seem not to understand.

which one do u hear more on Sundays; tithe or helping the widow and featherless

All

ipobarecriminals:
All

lolzzzz. I rest my case. the answer is obvious judging from ur previous comments

lonikit:


av bn to many and I hear many on mics. service will not end in some churches without the session of tithes but yet no special attention given to the widow and Fatherless wch constitutes the perfect religion

How many times do u worship there to be sure dey nor preach am

lonikit:



let's use ur church as case study. do they teach that every Sunday

they dnt need to preach. it b4 you do the needful

lonikit:


lolzzzz. I rest my case. the answer is obvious judging from ur previous comments

make i comot from church. b4 i engage. u well

lonikit:

tithe is biblical. it was a law by God himself

We are no longer under the law.

SUPERPACK:
modern day tithe is simply an indoctrination by the pope and church, do the levites still exist?

They do but in the Judaism. Christianity has nothing to do with levites, if at all the pastors of today are the Pharisees .

lonikit:


tithe is biblical. it was a law by God himself

You are meant to eat your tithe in the house of God not pay to any body

lonikit:


Levite's are equivalent to full time pastors in this generation. there are pastors who do not do anytin aside the work of God.

Respect yourself. Levites are no pastors, jaws are Jaws ,you can't steal that race from them.

Both are word of God

It's easy answer, there are many courses in university

you may choose to study Accounting and not computer science....
Happy Sunday...

SUPERPACK:
are u to pay tithe to the levites or pastors?.
are their any pastor who does nt have inheritance, work, or land?

You were never supposed to pay tithe to the Levites they were meant to join you when you eat your tithe
Not give it to them

Deu 14 22 - down was very clear on this

lonikit:


tithe is biblical. it was a law by God himself

We don't need tithe anymore. There's no more high priest. Apostle Paul worked hard to help himself and the needy. Not encouraging followers to go get money by all means to pay tithe

That passage is selective. Malachi 1-3 was about God not being happy about the Priests offering useless things to Him while enjoying valuables.This is what thrives even today...

Malachi 1:
Breaking Covenant Through Blemished Sacrifices
6 “A son honors his father, and a slave his master. If I am a father, where is the honor due me? If I am a master, where is the respect due me?” says the Lord Almighty.

“It is you priests who show contempt for my name.

“But you ask, ‘How have we shown contempt for your name?’

7 “By offering defiled food on my altar.

“But you ask, ‘How have we defiled you?’

“By saying that the Lord’s table is contemptible. 8 When you offer blind animals for sacrifice, is that not wrong? When you sacrifice lame or diseased animals, is that not wrong? Try offering them to your governor! Would he be pleased with you? Would he accept you?” says the Lord Almighty.

9 “Now plead with God to be gracious to us. With such offerings from your hands, will he accept you?”—says the Lord Almighty.

10 “Oh, that one of you would shut the temple doors, so that you would not light useless fires on my altar! I am not pleased with you,” says the Lord Almighty, “and I will accept no offering from your hands. 11 My name will be great among the nations, from where the sun rises to where it sets. In every place incense and pure offerings will be brought to me, because my name will be great among the nations,” says the Lord Almighty.

12 “But you profane it by saying, ‘The Lord’s table is defiled,’ and, ‘Its food is contemptible.’ 13 And you say, ‘What a burden!’ and you sniff at it contemptuously,” says the Lord Almighty.

“When you bring injured, lame or diseased animals and offer them as sacrifices, should I accept them from your hands?” says the Lord. 14 “Cursed is the cheat who has an acceptable male in his flock and vows to give it, but then sacrifices a blemished animal to the Lord. For I am a great king,” says the Lord Almighty, “and my name is to be feared among the nations.
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This is what I shared with my brethren 4 weeks ago.
Our tithes shouldn't be in the Church only but to meets every human needs, especially to help widows and orphans

ipobarecriminals:
whatever. God cannot be mocked. We'll reap what we sow.Mind u,Mal 3:10 trigger. FAITH.U rather serve God with ur tithes. so dat ur life won't remain TIGHT./U kip spending it on sickness.When u pray/exercise it.u'll see the wonders in the word

I support tithing but don't come with the crap of life becoming tight if you don't tithe. It's always psychological manipulation.

How many Tithers are amongst the richest men in Nigeria let alone other parts of the world.

Rich whites pop drinks worth thousands of dollars in night clubs in party frenzies, take very expensive yatch trips off coast for weeks and come back safely and healthy.

Rich Arabs and Asians live luxurious life styles without even giving to charity rather waste their resources on domesticating wild beasts, buying expensive phones and gadgets for their dogs, buying customized automobiles and flying private jets are hail and hearty. Why are their lives not tight.

Na wao

The first will ɓenefit them; the seconɗ, others. As selfish pastors, whose goɗ is in their bellies, they favour the first. Christ calleɗ them hypocrites: that that they ought to have ɗone without leaving the other unɗone!

lonikit:



at that, some pastors are still like levites

Kindly mention the pastors that are like levites in our present day.

Have you been to the monastery? Have you heard of the monks? Those are the people you may want to liken to levites, and not your pastors.

Levites lives and dies in the temple, just as monks lives and dies in the monastery. No pastor in this age lives according to the standard of a levite, they all have houses, mingle with friends and family, and have one possession or the other.

SUPERPACK:
modern day tithe is simply an indoctrination by the pope and church, do the levites still exist?

yea if u wn knw

lonikit:


tithe is biblical. it was a law by God himself

Law to d jews.. Do u know the number of laws in d old testament Christians don't follow and why do pastors insist on that law because it favours them. Can u open a passage in d bible Whr Jesus said we should pay tithe?
U r better off helping the poor in ur church than paying tithes

ipobarecriminals:
let me tell u as a mata of fact,WINNERS. give widows/scholarship to students yearly from that tithes #Fact.

Was a winner for years before leaving.
No poor man's child/children were given scholarship all the years I spent there. No allow me talk abeg

SUPERPACK:
are u to pay tithe to the levites or pastors?.
are their any pastor who does nt have inheritance, work, or land?

hmmm see dis one too dat calls him self christain ...dnt u knw dat we still live on the laws of moses and de grace of christ jus as fresh as both of dem gave them to us


wen we break de laws of moses heaven condems us fr it and wen we ask fr de grace of christ heaven gves it us

jesus did nt gve us any law just becos moses gave all to us

SUPERPACK:
here in the anglican church before the church attend your wedding or anybody's burial your tithe and contribution must be up to date, or else the pastors wont come.

Add to the list baptism. You can't baptize your child unless your tithe and that of the godparents are up to date.

lonikit:


Levite's are equivalent to full time pastors in this generation. there are pastors who do not do anytin aside the work of God.

Can you support this with any evidence at all?

SUPERPACK:
a levite is far different from the pastors,
1- they marry only fellow levites
2- the spend the rest of their live in the temple
3- all they do is to serve God, no farming, or selling.
.
modern day pastors have families , marry frm any family,
have land ,
live in their various houses and mansions,
have profitable investments,
have family inheritance etc.
.
they can never be same

And you think tithe is for pastors to use it to take care of their family? What happened to the growth and comfortability of the church and the congregation? in my own church a pastor has no right to use any of the church money without the consent of the church council, therefore if you feel paying tithe is a waste of resources it is better you stop it because the Bible made it clear that when you give to God grudgingly your offering will not even be acceptable in his sight.

ipobarecriminals:
whatever. God cannot be mocked. We'll reap what we sow.Mind u,Mal 3:10 trigger. FAITH.U rather serve God with ur tithes. so dat ur life won't remain TIGHT./U kip spending it on sickness.When u pray/exercise it.u'll see the wonders in the word

Dangote doesn't pay tithe, Otedola, Adenuga, Bill Gate also. They are richer than your generation, and they are healthy. Stop commercializing miracles!

I avnt read any discussion as wise as this on tithe b4 now. I need to save. We can even give more....giving shld be if a free heart

Backinfront:
SUNDAY SERMON: THE TRUTH ABOUT TITHING


I came across this piece on a Whatsapp page and it so represented my views on tithing that I could have written it myself. Please enjoy the read!

The Trial of Pastor Jones (Author unknown)

Judge: Mr. Jones you have been charged with multiple counts of extortion. Your crime spree covers 20 years and thousands of victims. You have defrauded people out of their money with fear and manipulation, telling them they had to tithe 10% of their income as per the LAW to your Regd. organization (called Church) and that God would bless them if they did. You also told them that if they didn't tithe God would curse them.

How do you plead?

Mr. Jones: I plead not guilty your Honor, I have done nothing wrong. I have only preached what the Bible says. In the Bible Abraham tithed to Melchizedek and God blessed him for his faithful giving. The Bible even says he was rich in silver and gold.

Judge: Is it not true, Mr. Jones, that in Genesis Chapter 13 verse 2 the Bible says Abraham was rich with livestock, silver and gold?

Mr. Jones: Yes, you are exactly right, that's what I just told you.

Judge: Ok, we read about Abraham being a rich man in chapter 13 but it is not until Genesis chapter 14 that we read about Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek. So Abraham was already a rich man before he tithed to Melchizedek, wasn't he?

Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose you are right.

Judge: So his riches were not the result of his tithe to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: No.

Judge: Mr. Jones, you also say God blessed him for his faithful giving. How many times is it recorded that Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: Well, just once.

Judge: So the Bible never said that he gave week after week?

Mr. Jones: No it does not.

Judge: Where did Abraham get the things that he gave to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: Well the Bible says it was from the plunders of war?

Judge: So you are telling me that he gave from the plunders of war?

Mr. Jones: Yes that's what the Bible says.

Judge: So he basically took things that were not really his in the first place and gave them as the tithe?

Mr. Jones: That is what the scripture seems to indicate.

Judge: Is it recorded that he ever took anything from his own possessions and tithed them to Melchizedek or anyone else?

Mr. Jones: I guess not

Judge: You guess not, you are a teacher and you are only guessing, is it or is it not written that he ever gave any of his own possessions as a tithe to anyone?

Mr. Jones: No it is not written anywhere that I have seen.

Judge: Is it recorded as to what exactly Abraham did give Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: I believe it says plunder?

Judge: So plunder could be any number of things?

Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose

Judge: It could have been food, cattle, sheep, the people's possessions or any number of things. It does not say it was all money correct?

Mr. Jones: Yes you are correct, it does not say just money

Judge: As a matter of fact money is never mentioned in that account at all is that correct Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor, money is never mentioned just goods and food and people.

Judge: So there is no way you can say with any certainty that Abraham in fact gave Melchizedek any money at all?

Mr. Jones: That is right.

Judge: I only have one last question for you
Mr. Jones, did God command Abraham to give this plunder tithe to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: No, it appears that he did this voluntarily.

Judge: So are you trying to tell me that because of this voluntary, one time gift by Abraham, that may not have even consisted of money, all Christians everywhere are obligated to bring 10% of their weekly paycheck to a local Regd.Organization-church?
Considering all the evidence I would say you are beyond any shadow of a doubt guilty of deliberately trying to make the scriptures says things they have not said for financial gain.

Mr. Jones: Ok your Honor, I can see how foolish I was to try and use the story of Melchizedeck to try and get the people to tithe money. But there are many other verses that will support my belief on tithing. Jacob said he would give God 10% of everything. I think we should follow his example.

Judge: Let's see what Jacob said. Please read the verse you are talking about for me Mr. Jones.

Mr. Jones: In Genesis chapter 28 starting at verse 20 it says. Jacob vowed a vow, saying, "If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and clothing to put on, so that I come again to my father's house in peace, and Yahweh will be my God, then this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, will be God's house. Of all that you will give me I will surely give the tenth to you."

Judge: You said we should follow Jacobs example, is that right Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: Yes that is right, he vowed to give a tenth and we should too.

Judge: Let me point out one thing for you Mr. Jones, Jacob said he would Give God a tenth, ONLY if He blessed him first. So as you said previously, we should follow Jacob's example and tell God that we will only give him a tenth if he blesses us first. Is that right?

Mr. Jones: That is not what I meant.

Judge: What did you mean then?

Mr. Jones: That we should give God a tenth also.

Judge: There you go again, trying to make the scripture say what you want it to say for your benefit. I would also like you to tell me the scriptures that say that Jacob kept his vow with God. I would also like to know where he gave the tenth to because there was no temple or levites to give it to at that time.

Mr. Jones: I can not think of any scriptures that say where or if he ever tithed after his vow.

Judge: It seems fairly obvious to me that Jacob made a voluntary and conditional vow to God. This in no way can be used as a reason to demand others to bring their income

[quote author=SUPERPACK post=60540259]modern day tithe is simply an indoctrination by the pope and church, do the levites still exist? watin concern pope here? Does pope emphasis tithe than Oyedepo, Adeboye, Muoka and co?

ipobarecriminals:
did they force u to siddon there?Listen. up,wherever u worship/grumble/ nothing change, leave there or God will leave 7.U can't be paying ur tithe and never see change.That one nor dey happen in RCCG,WINNERS,4SQUARE,CCC.even Catholic.

You guys are just funny, were you instructed to give(bring) or pay(compel) tithe?

2. If tithe is a law, why do you still pay tithe since christ was the end of the law, and we were since saved by grace as we are no longer under the law, but lives by grace?

3. Kindly state what qualifies one a levite, and compare with the pastors of all the aforementioned churches.

Note; question 1 is optional, but question 2 and 3 are compulsory and carries 25 marks each.

Goodluck

lonikit:


Levite's are equivalent to full time pastors in this generation. there are pastors who do not do anytin aside the work of God.

This does not applied to only pastors. It includes his/immediate family.. They must not work but be in the Church 24/7. If any of his immediate family are working, he's not quality to take tithes.