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Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by ShaheedBinAliyu(m): 11:46pm On Oct 06
tintingz:
Its not a dumb question, I don't know where heaven is, why not tell us where heaven is or you keep shut.
GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND
Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by ShaheedBinAliyu(m): 11:50pm On Oct 06
Laughing@ abdelkabir . .pele .. i made mistake by saying 1st heaven. . What is your problem gangan. . me as a journalist has nothing to obstruct in my plumbing works .. #pele# u still never repent on "using science to rodda ALLAH words"? #do n0t die a kafir o#
Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by ShaheedBinAliyu(m): 11:55pm On Oct 06
inagbe1:
You are such a wonderful human being ,the way you distribute kufru to everybody has no match. I'm very sure that your siblings and parents will not be left out of your largesse of kufru and hell fire
S0MEONE THAT USES SCIENTIFIC FINDINGS TO REFUTE AND REJECT QURAN AAYAH, AND THEN QUOTE SCHOLARS ERROR TO SUPPORT THIMSELF AND WHEN CORRECTED, REJECTS THE CORRECTION, is he n0t a kafir?
Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by Empiree: 1:22am On Oct 07
tintingz:
So by this, you agreed Allah is in brothel seeing people having sex, Allah is in virus, diseases that kills/killed billions of living beings, Allah is in poop, dirt, Allah is in hell?

Now tell me how is Allah different from shaitan? Tell me how shaitan is the villain that lives in dirt according to Islamic manuscripts, is Allah also inside shaitan?

With this, you have to convince me Allah is not different from shaitan or not the villain.
If for any reason you are still observing tenets of Islam {at least, daily salat, annual Ramadan and zakat}, note that Allah doesn't need it at this point. Knowing Allah preceded because Allah says "know Me before you worship Me" .

Just giving you heads up so that you don't think you are doing Allah favors by observing these rituals. And also to let you know so that you don't keep wasting your time observing them.
Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by AlBaqir(m): 3:09am On Oct 07
tingtingz, for further reading, argument on and against, an existing thread awaits:

www.nairaland.com/2570530/where-allah-intellectual-discourse

You can read this too tintingz
www.al-basair.com/en/news/16/the-salafī-concept-of-god-a-shīite-critique
Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by AlBaqir(m): 3:13am On Oct 07
ShaheedBinAliyu:
Hadith of rasul, hadith jariyah.. rasul asked her where is ALLAH, she said fi samah . .(in heaven) ....

^Imam an-Nawawi's Explanation on Hadith of the slave-girl

":This is one of the "hadiths of attributes" and there are two positions about it as it was mentioned in the book of faith, First: is to have faith in it "Without discussing its meaning, while believing of Allah Most High that "there is nothing whatsoever like unto Him"and that He is exalted above having any of the attributes of His creatures. ''The second is to FIGURATIVELY EXPLAIN IT" in a fitting way, scholars who hold this position adduce that the point of the hadith was to ''test the slave girl : Was she a monotheist"who affirmed that the Creator, the Disposer, the Doer, is Allah alone and that He is the one called upon when a person making supplication (du'a) faces the sky--just as those performing the prayer (salat) face the Kaaba, since the sky is the qibla of those who supplicate, as the Kaaba is the qibla of those who perform the prayer. or was she a worshipper of the idols which they placed in front of themselves? So when she said, In the sky, it was plain that she was not an idol worshipper

(Sahih Muslim bi Sharh al-Nawawi, Volume No.5, Page Nos. 19-20, Published by Dar ul Fikr, Beirut, Lebanon)
Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by AlBaqir(m): 3:46am On Oct 07
tintingz:


Now tell me how is Allah different from shaitan? Tell me how shaitan is the villain that lives in dirt according to Islamic manuscripts, is Allah also inside shaitan?

With this, you have to convince me Allah is not different from shaitan or not the villain.

# Sorry, am only interested in the underlined.

# FIRST MEANING

* If Islam says "shaitan lives in dirt", it does not necessarily mean physical dirty things. For sure, shaitan could be " living" in what is physically clean but spiritually unclean as well. Qur'an talks about Mushriqun (polytheists) and their polytheism to be "impure". Is it physical since we have babalawo and his shrines of 20th century physically clean?!

* The concept of "dirtiness" that shaitan dwell in is "spiritual impurity" - anything that deviate from the path of God.

SECOND MEANING

* Sometimes the sentence of "shaitan living in dirty things" does not really mean "shaitan" - the unseen created, living entity that disobeyed God, that used to whisper evil suggestions. Rather it refer to "unseen entities that have tendencies of harming our wellbeing e.g deadly microbes", hence, you seen some ahadith with the following themes:"don't eat with your left hand because shaitan eats with left or that's the dwelling of shaitan", " cleanliness is part of faith, shaitan dwells in unclean things" etc. For example, microbial load in the toilet, or left fingers is higher than other place and right hands respectively because of dirtiness associated with them.
Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by DaGr8est(m): 7:45am On Oct 07
tintingz:
So by this, you agreed Allah is in brothel seeing people having sex, Allah is in virus, diseases that kills/killed billions of living beings, Allah is in poop, dirt, Allah is in hell?

Now tell me how is Allah different from shaitan? Tell me how shaitan is the villain that lives in dirt according to Islamic manuscripts, is Allah also inside shaitan?

With this, you have to convince me Allah is not different from shaitan or not the villain.

This was the only reason he started this thread; to post this crap.
This thread started out well with Muslims ignoring that troll but someone just had to reply him and give him the opportunity to post that rubbish.
I don't know why irreligious people cannot pass their point across without sounding like absolute pieces of sheit.

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Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by tintingz(m): 10:07am On Oct 07
ShaheedBinAliyu:
GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND
Is heaven located above the sky, that's what Google showed me, sky daddies and sky people.
Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by tintingz(m): 10:10am On Oct 07
Empiree:
If for any reason you are still observing tenets of Islam {at least, daily salat, annual Ramadan and zakat}, note that Allah doesn't need it at this point. Knowing Allah preceded because Allah says "know Me before you worship Me" .

Just giving you heads up so that you don't think you are doing Allah favors by observing these rituals. And also to let you know so that you don't keep wasting your time observing them.

I've been wasting my time all these years until now.
Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by tintingz(m): 10:13am On Oct 07
AlBaqir:
tingtingz, for further reading, argument on and against, an existing thread awaits:

www.nairaland.com/2570530/where-allah-intellectual-discourse
If you keep mentioning with "tingtingz(instead of tintingz)" I will be missing a lot of your mentions.

Anyways, I will go through the thread, thanks.
Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by tintingz(m): 10:38am On Oct 07
AlBaqir:


# Sorry, am only interested in the underlined.
Why only the underline? Or there are no explanations on those?

# FIRST MEANING

* If Islam says "shaitan lives in dirt", it does not necessarily mean physical dirty things. For sure, shaitan could be " living" in what is physically clean but spiritually unclean as well. Qur'an talks about Mushriqun (polytheists) and their polytheism to be "impure". Is it physical since we have babalawo and his shrines of 20th century physically clean?!
Actually, I don't see the difference in what Islam practice and the polytheist, the difference is, Islam is fashionized, upgraded.

So, Is Allah also in shrines, idols, since he's everywhere, in everything?


* The concept of "dirtiness" that shaitan dwell in is "spiritual impurity" - anything that deviate from the path of God.
Like many Islamic scholars said, toilet is where shaitan, jinns lives, so we are to seek protection from Allah before entering the toilet.

Your statement here is not clear, it is either you accept Allah is in toilet, shrines or not.

I once asked a christian lady, is God present where couples are having sex, she got confused and can't give any answers because it will sound like God is watching porň, I think this is what many religious people are scared to reason on, question and don't bother knowing if God the omnipresent is present where couples are playing, all what they say is God is everywhere.


SECOND MEANING

* Sometimes the sentence of "shaitan living in dirty things" does not really mean "shaitan" - the unseen created, living entity that disobeyed God, that used to whisper evil suggestions. Rather it refer to "unseen entities that have tendencies of harming our wellbeing e.g deadly microbes", hence, you seen some ahadith with the following themes:"don't eat with your left hand because shaitan eats with left or that's the dwelling of shaitan", " cleanliness is part of faith, shaitan dwells in unclean things" etc. For example, microbial load in the toilet, or left fingers is higher than other place and right hands respectively because of dirtiness associated with them.

Sorry, I don't get the whole explanation here, you tried to smuggle shaitan from living in dirt and at some point you said shaitan lives in dirt.

Are you now trying to defend shaitan here to proof your point Allah is everywhere? undecided

I think the believe that Allah is everywhere is also making him limited, dependent.
Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by tintingz(m): 10:47am On Oct 07
DaGr8est:


This was the only reason he started this thread; to post this crap.
This thread started out well with Muslims ignoring that troll but someone just had to reply him and give him the opportunity to post that rubbish.
I don't know why irreligious people cannot pass their point across without sounding like absolute pieces of sheit.
Why do religious people always find anything negative about their God offensive, why?
Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by Demmzy15(m): 10:52am On Oct 07
AbdelKabir:


Booda plumber, if you had sense, you'll calm a bit and think, you claim Allaah is in the first heaven, yet Qur'an says Ar-rahmaan alal arshi, that Allaah is over his throne, booda ode is his throne in the first heaven??

You say Allaah is in first heaven, you've confined him within his creation, you've said he is limited audhubillaah, kufr! What's the difference between the filthy shia up there and you who believe that Allaah is everywhere?? You both have confined Him inside what he created!!

You say Allaah is in first heaven, so because jaariya pointed to the sky, does it mean first heaven? What's now the difference between you and the sufis??

I understand you have to go for plumbering jobs since mass com that you studied did not pay off due to your inability to construct one sentence free of error (I wonder what you've been studying in your mass com), so you use most of your time on "shìt packing", so some of those faeces you see are disturbing you brain...but at least go and learn, you can't use all your life for "shît packing "! Knowledge first before you start talking.....
Don't mind his Java phone jare! tongue

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Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by tintingz(m): 11:15am On Oct 07
Albaqir, I've gone through the thread-link you provided, it really open more argument to this thread.

# Allah sit on a throne above the sky

# Allah has human-like figures

# Allah is in every single thing, everywhere

# Allah moves around the heavens and earth, like he's dependent, limited to time, space and his creation.

With this, it makes Allah limited, I think the deist/deism concept about their God not intervening and left them makes more sense although I still see such God limited to the time and space.

This took me back to the statement of these three great philosophers,

1. Had God designed the world, it would not be
A world so frail and faulty as we see.
- Lucretius

2. "Is the pious loved by the gods because it is pious, or is it pious because it is loved by the gods?" - Socrates (Euthyphro dilemma).

3. "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - Epicurus

^^^ All these are argument of God(s) intervention.
Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by AlBaqir(m): 12:05pm On Oct 07
tintingz:
Albaqir, I've gone through the thread-link you provided, it really open more argument to this thread.

# Allah sit on a throne above the sky

# Allah has human-like figures

# Allah is in every single thing, everywhere

# Allah moves around the heavens and earth, like he's dependent, limited to time, space and his creation.

# Are those the only thing you could extract from the thread? Why do you chose to see via one eye when indeed you could use the other.

# There were two opinions on the thread, one above as you have listed. The other, totally against.

# Always try to be balance, dear. Don't just take what you want in two opposing ideas.
Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by najib632(m): 12:12pm On Oct 07
tintingz:
Salaam Alaykum,

I will like to know if truly Allah is everywhere and sees everything, omnipresent, omniscient?
watch this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-jOSXJZA-A
Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by Empiree: 2:30am On Oct 08
tintingz:
Why do religious people always find anything negative about their God offensive, why?
This 2mins dramatic comedy video PERFECTLY portrays your sense of reasoning like this professor.

https://www.facebook.com/GistReelOnline/videos/711353375733228/?hc_ref=ARS0uTKrnbkG-08v3jc_xnQSJmH8jBgvmNc-miumuu964GsxtlPHL80jnrVXcWE9YZA


To those who may not have enough credit to watch, it goes like this. A group of 3 people are having snacks while a professor passes by. After greetings, professor said to them that he heard that they got Youtube award of the yr. Affirmatively, they gestured.


Professor asked how they were able to accomplished the task?. They replied, "it is God". God?, which God?. asked the professor. They said, "our God `in Heaven".. Professor asked "can you see your God, can you touch your God?" They replied, "no". Professor said, " then, there is no God because science has proven there is no God bcus anything you can not see or touch does not exist.

The 3 folks were dumbfounded to see a professor said such thing.


So one of the 3 folks asked the professor, "sir, how did you know there is no God?". Professor replied, "common sense, I used my sense"

The boy replied (the professor), "where is your sense?". Professor said "my sense is up here (pointing to his head)


The boy asked, can you see your sense?

Professor: No

Boy: Can you touch your sense?

Professor: No

Boy: That means there is no sense. You have no sense

grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin grin grin grin

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Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by Sterope(f): 5:49am On Oct 08
Why are you like this? Shouldn't you be trying not to entertain the village clown?


CC ShaheedBinAliyu

AlBaqir:


# So, your own "Allah" in his presence is confined in the 1st heaven, but his knowledge is in 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th heavens and the earths?

# Unfortunately, your Hadith says "He" is IN the 7th heavens, another interpretation of your Salafi creed says "He" is ABOVE the heavens ON ar'sh (throne), and that "He" only comes and descends down to the lowest heavens (1st heavens) at the later part of the night to hear the calls of "His" servants who are praying unto "Him".

# What an "Allah" you worship! A "God" who created heavens yet depends on "His" creation (for stability); a "God" who MOVES from one place to the other.

For a fact, Qur'an says, Surah Al-Ikhlas, Verse 2:

"Allah is He on Whom ALL depend".

* If a heaven can occupies "Him" in His presence, and other places is empty of "Him" in "His" presence, then, that is dependency of what "He" created.

* Presence in a place made "Him" a body/matter/spirit that fits into that confined space. That means "something" that occupies "a place".

* Qur'an says, " Glory be unto Him, Far away from what they describe Him with"



# QUR'AN SAYS

Surah Al-Mujadila, Verse 7:

"Do you not see that Allah knows whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth? Nowhere is there a secret counsel between three persons but He is the fourth of them, nor (between) five but He is the sixth of them, nor less than that nor more but He is with them wheresoever they are; then He will inform them of what they did on the day of resurrection: surely Allah is Cognizant of all things."

1. The bold confirmed Allah is "Everywhere" in the heavens, on earths, beyond those things, in what we know and know not. Interestingly, pronoun "He (Huwa)" was used. That is the ONLY Pronoun that can replace "Allah".

2. If we say "He is Everywhere" what is our intention? He is not a body, matter, spirit that comes and leaves or stays in another thing/matter. He has describes Himself as, "NOTHING can be liken to Him".

3. Everything exists by His attribute of "al-Hayy - the Living" therefore, He is "in" everything. Everything performs its functions by His attribute of "al-Qayyum - Self subsisting by whom all subsists".

4. His Dhat (Essence) cannot be separate from His Siffat (attributes). He says, for example, "Allah is He besides whom there is no god, the Everliving, the Self-subsisting...".

5. The more you think about Him, the more you realized He cannot be rationalised, limited, confined (to a place), described with a definition. We Know Him via the manifestation of His attributes that no man can comprehend.

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Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by tintingz(m): 6:40am On Oct 08
Empiree:
This 2mins dramatic comedy video PERFECTLY portrays your sense of reasoning like this professor.

https://www.facebook.com/GistReelOnline/videos/711353375733228/?hc_ref=ARS0uTKrnbkG-08v3jc_xnQSJmH8jBgvmNc-miumuu964GsxtlPHL80jnrVXcWE9YZA


To those who may not have enough credit to watch, it goes like this. A group of 3 people are having snacks while a professor passes by. After greetings, professor said to them that he heard that they got Youtube award of the yr. Affirmatively, they gestured.


Professor asked how they were able to accomplished the task?. They replied, "it is God". God?, which God?. asked the professor. They said, "our God `in Heaven".. Professor asked "can you see your God, can you touch your God?" They replied, "no". Professor said, " then, there is no God because science has proven there is no God bcus anything you can not see or touch does not exist.

The 3 folks were dumbfounded to see a professor said such thing.


So one of the 3 folks asked the professor, "sir, how did you know there is no God?". Professor replied, "common sense, I used my sense"

The boy replied (the professor), "where is your sense?". Professor said "my sense is up here (pointing to his head)


The boy asked, can you see your sense?

Professor: No

Boy: Can you touch your sense?

Professor: No

Boy: That means there is no sense. You have no sense

grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin grin grin grin

Lol, that's Emmanuella and Mark Angel, their comedy are always lit. It is funny tho.

Aside that the response of "Touching, seeing" is kinda lame the sense can the studied which is from the brain, scientists are still studying how the brain works, they are progressively getting there.

Now to reply their irrational response, can gravity be touched? Can it be seen? NO is the answer, does that mean there is no gravity? I guess they need a physicists to measure gravity for them if they were not taught law of gravity in school.

Now the question goes back, can a god be measured or studied? Where is the evidence of intervention? And if he's intervening is he the cause of natural disasters?
Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by tintingz(m): 6:51am On Oct 08
AlBaqir:


# Are those the only thing you could extract from the thread? Why do you chose to see via one eye when indeed you could use the other.

# There were two opinions on the thread, one above as you have listed. The other, totally against.

# Always try to be balance, dear. Don't just take what you want in two opposing ideas.
The both argument still make Allah limited.

If he's in heaven sitting on a throne above the sky then he's limited to space and time and if he's everywhere, in everything, is he also In hell fire? I guess you will find another apologetic excuses.
Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by Rilwayne001: 7:28am On Oct 08
tintingz:
Why do religious people always find anything negative about their God offensive, why?

You have no reason whatsoever to speak ill of what others hold in high esteem. There's a way reasonable and intelligent unbelievers argue God with believers without attacking it in a very nauseating way the way you are doing. Respect is reciprocal they say. It is the more reason why I chose to ignore you as you are starting to become more boring and less intelligent as you've started to ask unintelligent question. Like tbaba opined the other day, it's either that you are not sincere with yourself or your ego has taken over your humility as you now feel like you know things that others and that others are ignorant.

Well I don't blame you, I blame those replying your unintelligent questions.

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Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by AlBaqir(m): 7:42am On Oct 08
tintingz:
The both argument still make Allah limited.

If he's in heaven sitting on a throne above the sky then he's limited to space and time and if he's everywhere, in everything, is he also In hell fire? I guess you will find another apologetic excuses.

# He created the hell fire you are somehow fond of grin

Remember: My word is "He is in everything" i.e everything exist by His attribute of "al-Hayy - the Living". He is not a matter or a spirit that enters or leaves something.

NB: Don't twist my word please.

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Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by tintingz(m): 11:11am On Oct 08
AlBaqir:


# He created the hell fire you are somehow fond of grin

Remember: My word is "He is in everything" i.e everything exist by His attribute of "al-Hayy - the Living". He is not a matter or a spirit that enters or leaves something.

NB: Don't twist my word please.
I think you need clarify exactly what Allah is? If Allah is not a matter nor spirit then what exactly is Allah, "nothingness"? Can a nothingness said to be sitting on a throne above the sky?

Allah created Hell fire, Satan and then allow this to be disastrous to humans, then tell me again if Allah is not the villain?

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - Epicurus

If God is everywhere, in everything, omnipresence then he's within the universe and if he's within the universe, he's subjected to law of physics and time which makes him limited, what has Allah being omnipresence change anything? Can you show me the effectiveness of Allah being in everywhere?
Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by tintingz(m): 11:28am On Oct 08
Rilwayne001:


You have no reason whatsoever to speak ill of what others hold on high esteem. There's a way reasonable and intelligent unbelievers argue God with believers without attacking it in a very nauseating way the way you are doing. Respect is reciprocal they say. It the more reason why I chose to ignore you as you are starting to become more boring and less intelligent as you've started to ask unintelligent question. Like tbaba opined the other day, it's either that you are not sincere with yourself or your ego has taken over your humility as you now feel like you know things that others and that others are ignorant.

Well I don't blame you, I blame those replying your unintelligent questions.
The topic of this thread is about "Omnipresent, Omniscient" of an entity, I'm attacking these two attributes about god(s) nature.

So not surprise this is what religious people say when they can't hold an argument, they quickly attack and label the questioner question "unintelligent question" and even go as far as insulting the questioner, this is not new. Who's been egoistic?

I'm very sure my "unintelligent question" is helping others.

Debate is about attacking the topic at hand or premises given(pro and cons), it is either you accept the debate or not, whatever you take high esteem shouldn't be a problem since it is the "focused topic", god is a public figure, if religious people can go about attacking irreligious people(even with threats) then why do you find it offensive when irreligious people attack your belief? What happens to freedom of speech? I've so far not insulted your what you hold "high esteem" i only attack/question what's said to be attributed to him, if anyone find it offensive, my apologies.
Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by AlBaqir(m): 2:24pm On Oct 08
tintingz:
I think you need clarify exactly what Allah is? If Allah is not a matter nor spirit then what exactly is Allah, "nothingness"? Can a nothingness said to be sitting on a throne above the sky?


If God is everywhere, in everything, omnipresence then he's within the universe and if he's within the universe, he's subjected to law of physics and time which makes him limited, what has Allah being omnipresence change anything? Can you show me the effectiveness of Allah being in everywhere?

# So, " something" must be "matter or spirit" before it can be said to be "something"; otherwise in your view, it is " nothingness "?! What a sense!

Empiree posted an illustration, you thought it's funny. You believe "sense" exist. Where's it? Is it a matter or spirit? You irrationally claim "sense" is "inside" the brain and your scientists are still working on it perhaps to "extract" it.

That's very laughable. Can you touch it or see it? What about "love, pain etc"? Same set of question for it. You even made mention of "gravity". All these things cannot be seen, feel or touch yet we believe they exist as a result of their RESULTS, MANIFESTATIONS etc.

# God who is the creator of those entities that is still given your scientists headache for years is far beyond His creations.

# Anything that can be RATIONALISED, EXPERIMENTALISED, COMPREHEND etc becomes LIMITED. If today, " love, pain, gravity, sense etc" can finally be seen, touched, felt etc" then they become 100% limited

# We, the believers in God, claimed Him to be unlimited because our 5 types of senses and Aql (intellectual power) are limited entities to rationalise Him. But we believe He exists, and everything exists by the manifestation of His attributes. Scientists admitted they are yet to know "the origin of life". All their theories can be easily puncture with a single tip of a needle because everything will finally goes back to " who created this or that"?.

# You ask for the "effectiveness of God being everywhere" and "in everything". You should find this thread interesting. May Allah grant you guidance.

www.nairaland.com/1853836/fingerprints-god


tintingz:

Allah created Hell fire, Satan and then allow this to be disastrous to humans, then tell me again if Allah is not the villain?

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - Epicurus

# All these are other things entirely. I hate muddling up issues, you should know that.

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Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by tintingz(m): 3:34pm On Oct 08
AlBaqir:


# So, " something" must be "matter or spirit" before it can be said to be "something"; otherwise in your view, it is " nothingness "?! What a sense!
Lol, the last time I checked, Rilwayne001 asked if "something can come from nothing" so with this you are saying something can come from nothing? If you agree then you are given the atheist more score. If an entity doesn't contain anything, is it "something or nothing"?

What should we call an entity that sit on a throne above the sky or that moves around the universe or that has emotions, what should will the entity, something or nothing?

Empiree posted an illustration, you thought it's funny. You believe "sense" exist. Where's it? Is it a matter or spirit? You irrationally claim "sense" is "inside" the brain and your scientists are still working on it perhaps to "extract" it.

That's very laughable. Can you touch it or see it? What about "love, pain etc"? Same set of question for it. You even made mention of "gravity". All these things cannot be seen, feel or touch yet we believe they exist as a result of their RESULTS, MANIFESTATIONS etc.
The sense can studied can a mental unstable person knows he/she have sense? Does such person display sense? Does a mental unstable person feel love or show love or does a stoic syndrome person feels pain? These things can be studied, it all limited to the brain and science are still studying how the brain fully works. Take the brain out of a person and tell me the state of the person.

# God who is the creator of those entities that is still given your scientists headache for years is far beyond His creations.
Unfortunately the creator is not showing any intervention, there is no evidence of a creator intervening, the more reason Jainism/jain don't believe in a creator, deist/deism don't believe the creator interven, it is not given scientists any headache instead they are the ones given creator believers headache by discovering new things day by day progressively.

# Anything that can be RATIONALISED, EXPERIMENTALISED, COMPREHEND etc becomes LIMITED. If today, " love, pain, gravity, sense etc" can finally be seen, touched, felt etc" then they become 100% limited
Then Why should we care about an irrationalized entity? Do you care about a talking flying spaghetti? Can you rationalize a spaghetti talking and flying? If No, then why can't we call the flying and talking spaghetti a God?

# We, the believers in God, claimed Him to be unlimited because our 5 types of senses and Aql (intellectual power) are limited entities to rationalise Him. But we believe He exists, and everything exists by the manifestation of His attributes. Scientists admitted they are yet to know "the origin of life". All their theories can be easily puncture with a single tip of a needle because everything will finally goes back to " who created this or that"?.
Has religious people give the "origin of life"? Do you agree the origin of life started as a chicken, corn and sand?

# You ask for the "effectiveness of God being everywhere" and "in everything". You should find this thread interesting. May Allah grant you guidance.

www.nairaland.com/1853836/fingerprints-god
Lol, how all these you mentioned in the thread are linked to your God(Allah) is what I'm yet to understand, do you just claim it is linked to your God or you read it in a book or Allah told you all these personally and gave his DNA of his fingerprints? do you have evidence it is linked to your God?

Does natural disasters, diseases, viruses, pain also linked to your God?

Had God designed the world, it would not be
A world so frail and faulty as we see.
- Lucretius

# All these are other things entirely. I hate muddling up issues, you should know that.
It is about God's intervention.
Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by AlBaqir(m): 6:06pm On Oct 08
tintingz:
Lol, the last time I checked, Rilwayne001 asked if "something can come from nothing" so with this you are saying something can come from nothing? If you agree then you are given the atheist more score. If an entity doesn't contain anything, is it "something or nothing"?

# Be sincere to yourself for once and stop further confusing yourself on what is not it. The challenge we put before you (based on your thinking) is that, " the fact that you cannot feel, touch, rationalised to full capacity, or experimentalised something that by its effects, results and manifestations you believe it exist e.g love, pain, gravity, sense etc; does that mean God does not exist or not present since you can equally not comprehend Him with your limited 5 senses + intellect?"


# For a fact, everything originate from something. And all something to something to something finally are God's creation.

# So, where does God originated from if "everything comes from something"? This is one question atheist do ask. And our reply is " if assuming God originate from God, then the next will originate from God, then it will go on and on till infinity that you can no longer comprehend. Even, in physics, mathematics etc you absolutely have this theory of infinity to prove "existence" of something. That is how limited human comprehension is, and this is where spirituality comes into light.

# On a materialistic world/scale, to doubt the existence or manifestation (in all thing) of a higher power, a perfect designer, is absolutely foolishness, arrogance and fanaticism.


tintingz:

What should we call an entity that sit on a throne above the sky or that moves around the universe or that has emotions, what should will the entity, something or nothing?

# "Sitting, establishing on a throne" is a figurative expression. It only signifies authority. Please don't bring idea and interpretation of a foolish creed (literalist) about God here, to stubbornly support your view. Figurative expression is used in every rich language. A Yoruba barren woman will tell you, "mo nwo oju Olohun ni o - am still looking unto God's eyes". Does that meant she's really looking INTO God's eyes? You and I know its a figurative expression which simply means, " she's expecting the blessings and favour of God".

# God is not "something that moves from one place to the other". If He does, then He is limited with time and space. Again, that is silly interpretation of the literalist.

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Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by ShaheedBinAliyu(m): 6:39pm On Oct 08
tintingz:
Is heaven located above the sky, that's what Google showed me, sky daddies and sky people.
You have heard, see and understand your questi0n then . .
Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by Empiree: 6:53pm On Oct 08
AlBaqir:






# "Sitting, establishing on a throne" is a figurative expression. It only signifies authority. Please don't bring idea and interpretation of a foolish creed (literalist) about God here, to stubbornly support your view. Figurative expression is used in every rich language. A Yoruba barren woman will tell you, "mo nwo oju Olohun ni o - am still looking unto God's eyes". Does that meant she's really looking INTO God's eyes? You and I know its a figurative expression which simply means, " she's expecting the blessings and favour of God"
Reminds me of Hosni Mubarak when he said, "power of Egypt is in my hands". Does that means his physical hand?. Thats question he needs to answer too
Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by AlBaqir(m): 7:16pm On Oct 08
Empiree:
Reminds me of Hosni Mubarak when he said, "power of Egypt is in my hands". Does that means his physical hand?. Thats question he needs to answer too

# Abi o.

Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 64:

" And the Jews say: The hand of Allah is tied up!....Nay, both His hands are spread out..."

What does "hands tied up, and hands spread out" mean? Even Yoruba will say, "o ha owó - his hands are hanged/tied"; and they will also say, " o la owó - his hands are opened ". All these simply mean " stinginess and generous" respectively.


# Another verse reads

Surah Al-Fath, Verse 10:

"Surely those who swear allegiance to you do but swear allegiance to Allah; the hand of Allah is above their hands. Therefore whoever breaks (his faith), he breaks it only to the injury of his own soul, and whoever fulfills what he has covenanted with Allah, He will grant him a mighty reward".


# I think tintingz simply want to oppose by whatever means available for him to oppose. He's simply not here to reason. And its a big lie also if he said he's searching for truth.

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Re: Is Allah Everywhere, Sees Everything? by tintingz(m): 7:18pm On Oct 08
AlBaqir:


# Be sincere to yourself for once and stop further confusing yourself on what is not it. The challenge we put before you (based on your thinking) is that, " the fact that you cannot feel, touch, rationalised to full capacity, or experimentalised something that by its effects, results and manifestations you believe it exist e.g love, pain, gravity, sense etc; does that mean God does not exist or not present since you can equally not comprehend Him with your limited 5 senses + intellect?"
Again, pain, love, gravity can be measured and study, they are limited to our universe, I've given you example of a mental unstable person.

As for God, you said it is not a spirit nor contain any matter, in quantum physics this is "nothingness", but below here I can see you calling God "something", are you not contradicting yourself?


# For a fact, everything originate from something. And all something to something to something finally are God's creation.
claiming everything originate from something when we have not even finish concluded if your God is "something or nothing"?. Applying Occam's Razor.


# So, where does God originated from if "everything comes from something"? This is one question atheist do ask. And our reply is " if assuming God originate from God, then the next will originate from God, then it will go on and on till infinity that you can no longer comprehend. Even, in physics, mathematics etc you absolutely have this theory of infinity to prove "existence" of something. That is how limited human comprehension is, and this is where spirituality comes into light.
The question will still keep popping up, where did God originate from if everything originate from something.

The infinite regression is still a strong debate.

Because our reasoning is limited for now doesn't invalidate the arguments of infinite regression, we don't know if there is an entity outside our reasoning(universe), the more reason I'm agnostic about it, but what religious people are good at is filling the gaps with god(god of gaps).

Religion= 0000000___God___0000000= Sticked

Science= 000000__Go*____000000= Diminishing.

# On a materialistic world/scale, to doubt the existence or manifestation (in all thing) of a higher power, a perfect designer, is absolutely foolishness, arrogance and fanaticism.
A perfect designer that design natural disasters? Oh yeah it is perfect.


# "Sitting, establishing on a throne" is a figurative expression. It only signifies authority. Please don't bring idea and interpretation of a foolish creed (literalist) about God here, to stubbornly support your view. Figurative expression is used in every rich language. A Yoruba barren woman will tell you, "mo nwo oju Olohun ni o - am still looking unto God's eyes". Does that meant she's really looking INTO God's eyes? You and I know its a figurative expression which simply means, " she's expecting the blessings and favour of God".

# God is not "something that moves from one place to the other". If He does, then He is limited with time and space. Again, that is silly interpretation of the literalist.
The Quran talked about Allah having hands, legs, his throne is on a water sitting on it, displaying emotions bla bla bla... Oh yeah that's all figurative. My reasoning seems not to get what throne, sitting, water metaphorically mean, Why not tell us what the throne and water stands for?

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