For sometime now, I have stayed away from them and their threads.

They even open a thread to congratulate themselves about their discussion with the theists.

I decided not to have anything to do with them.

But Our God is a merciful God who wants everyone to be saved.

I will use some basic facts to open their eyes. God will open their eyes to know him as the Creator and the sustainer of the Heavens and the Earth.

Pls follow me slowly.

1. A bird nest seen anywhere is believed to be created by a bird. It cannot just exist.

A place as complicated as the Earth Cannot just exist thru a bang.

Let's look at some stuff on Earth. These things are done deliberately. An explosion cannot just occur and fixed this things in place.

Before I start, All the ingredients that a bird will need to make it's nest are available now. Yet we say it is a bird nest.

Before the bang, nothing was available. And a bang fixes all these things I want to list out of nothing.

The bang also fix an animal in place from nothing. And through the animal, all other animals come into being, including humans.

Even as simple as the nest is,the way it glued the leaves and tiny branches is a show of creativity. The nest hangs on a wall and will not fall.

The bird is a creature of a creative God.

Now let's look at all the things the big bang put in place deliberately. If a bang is capable of these wonderful things.

1. The bang put water in place.

Without water, DNA and proteins will not be able to swim and interact.

These two ingredients are key to life.

2. The bang made water to expand while it freezes.

This property of water makes it support life even when the top of it is frozen.

Down the frozen lake, you can still get a temperature of 4 degree centigrade

that will support life of fishes and other creatures before the lake is clear again.

3. The bang made water to be a poor conductor of heat.

This property ensures that the heat from the sun is not easily transferred through water bodies to the animals there.

4. The bang made air not to take heat from the sun directly.

In case you don't know, air does not take heat from the sun directly. It picks heat from a heated surface. Like walls, ground, etc when the air comes in contact with them.

If it does, you can't get a cool air under a shade.

I studied some advance fluid Mechanics. I am not a novice.

5. The bang keeps the density of air as 1.23kg/m3 even though that of water isn1000kg/m3.

This means that air is lighter than water. One, it reduces the weight of air on us. We are enveloped by it.

Second, if air is heavier, water will simply stay on top in a river and the down willbe filled with air.

If air is heavier, it will rupture our lungs.

The big bang put all these in place for life to be conducive?

Just with a bang?

No.

A God did it all.

5. Let's take a look at Heat.

If a body is heated, it's temperature rises. If a body is cooled the temperature goes down.

This is a physical property intentionally placed on Earth by the bang.

If it is the other way round, the heat from the sun will simply lower the temperature of everyone on Earth. The higer heat, the lower our temperature.

The sun heats us, the air helps to cool us down. This is also put in place by the bang.

Without air, your a.c cannot function.

Without air, their is no sound. No communication.

This air, happens to be in abundance. For life and other things. And it was put in place by the bang.

Water too. It just happens to be in abundance. From the Creation of the world till now.(It's abundance is necessary to cater for everyone since the world began)

It is still the same water that we use. No water fall from heaven.

From the ocean bodies to clouds and then back as rain. Recycled. For a purpose. The big bang put it in place like that.

Movement of the wind makes seasons to change.

Eastern wind brings a season different from a western wind.

All these process are self reliant and work in cycle.

God will not come down to put things in place everyday. He created the things to work in cycle.

In engineering, we creat things to work in cycle so that it can work on its own, at Least for a while.

OP's logic

There are certain things that we don't know, therefore god exists, aka God of The Gaps

I can't imagine how this thing is the way it is without a god, therefore god exists, aka Argument from personal incredulity

carry on

Originakalokalo:

1. A bird nest seen anywhere is believed to be created by a bird. It cannot just exist.

A place as complicated as the Earth Cannot just exist thru a bang.

Let's look at some stuff on Earth. These things are done deliberately. An explosion cannot just occur and fixed this things in place.

From whence cometh god? who/what created god?

Nearly three thousand years later, theists still haven't come to grips with Parmenides conclusion.

P1) From nothing, nothing comes
P2) Existence is real
P3) Existence did not come from nothing
C1) The simplest conclusion is that nothingness did not, and could not, have existed.

The rest of the question amounts to a big fat "?".

By the bang,. Pressure on ground is made to support life. Up there, where aircraft passes, you cannot survive.

You will bleed out through your nose and die at extreme low pressure.

The bang just made it in a way that on ground, the pressure is Just perfect and up there, the pressure lower and not conducive.


Nitrogen just.entered the atmophere as a constituent of air. Just like that. At the big bang.


If nitrogen is not there, Combustion ( burning of things) will be rapid.

It means your fuel will just burn out quickly and rapidly.

The Earth Just on its own, seem to have everything we need.

When automobile, aircraft engines, etc came into existence,. Crude oil is just supplied as a result of decomposition of wastes.


And the timing of it's readiness for use is just perfect.


To protect the Earth from foreign object, particles from the space,

The Earth just have the ability of burning anything that enters it.

Re-entry technology of missiles, space craft has to be sound. Else, they will burn up on entering the Earth atmosphere.

Everything Just happen to be where it should, for a reason, and is being sustained over billions of years.

The big bang made all possible? No.

There is no God?

No.

There is a God. Who put These things in place intentionally.

OP is even combining big bang and atheism as though big bang were an atheistic claim, ignorance personified; Big Bang was first proposed by a theist, georges Lemaître, who was a Belgian physicist and Roman Catholic priest; the Pope at the time, The Pius XII, even wanted to make it part of the Christian doctrine as "proof of god"

The sun has a way it functions.

It works in cycle. That is why it is able to sustain itself for billions of years ago.

The fact that we know how it functions does not mean someone did not start the process before it can sustain itself this long.


This is a challenge:. Now that we have almost all we need eg. Materials, technology, expertise, machines, etc.

Let's simply create a system that will be self sustained as the Sun for billion years without tampering with it or going to put something in it now and then.


If that is not possible, even with all that we have now, the big bang that is just a reaction cannot create a self sustained Sun from nothing and it is sustained over billions of years.


After billions of years, Take a look at the Sun with your bare eyes for 2 minutes.

That is how Powerful our God is.
The Creator of the Earth and Heaven.

hopefulLandlord:
OP is even combining big bang and atheism as though big bang were an atheistic claim, ignorance personified; Big Bang was first proposed by a theist, georges Lemaître, who was a Belgian physicist and Roman Catholic priest; the Pope at the time, The Pius XII, even wanted to make it part of the Christian doctrine as "proof of god"

What I am simply saying is that big bang cannot create.anything.

And there must be a God who did these things intentionally for a purpose.

Both the big bang and the " No God rule" are being thrown out.

Originakalokalo:



What I am simply saying is that big bang cannot create.anything.

which scientist worth his salt ever said "Big bang created something"?

And there must be a God who did these things intentionally for a purpose.

and there must be something that created this " god" who did these things for his purpose

Let's look at Defence against evil.

Nobody wants to die, yet we will have some people enlist as law enforcement agents.

To combat evil so that life will not be wiped out.

Despite the risk, and danger. They go and fight and get killed and yet people still enlist.

Some for money, other for passion against evil.
Else, Life will have been wiped out.

Some people just decide not to go to school. They learn a trade and sell to others.

Some choose a particular profession, others another profession.

In the end, life is supported and sustained.

There will always be a house help, a gateman, the poor, the rich, teachers, engineers, etc.

Just for sustainance. People just live for a purpose. Everyone with his own assignment.

There is no God that did these things. Really?

The big bang created the Earth and this sustainability is just deposited in us by this bang.

Hmmmm.

WAB!!!


What A Bang!!!!!!!

Solid, Liquid and Gas

Proton, Neutron and eletrons

Ice, water and steam.

Egg yoke, Egg white and the shell

Good, Evil and Neutral.

Body, Soul and Spirit.

Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

What is Creation trying to tell us?

Originakalokalo:
Solid, Liquid and Gas

Proton, Neutron and eletrons

Ice, water and steam.

Egg yoke, Egg white and the shell

Good, Evil and Neutral.

Body, Soul and Spirit.

Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

What is Creation trying to tell us?

I don't know of others but the first one is definitely solids, liquids, gases, plasma and Bose-Einstein condensates.


Carry on

hopefulLandlord:


which scientist worth his salt ever said "Big bang created something"?



and there must be something that created this " god" who did these things for his purpose

If something created this god as you claim,

Then something has to create that god that created that god that created that god for his purpose.

There is a Supreme God.

The Almighty God whose name is Yaweh.

No other god from a well known document will claim to create the heavens and the Earth.

I know of two that has that claim:

Allah and God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Whose name is Yaweh.The Almighty God.

If we put powers to the test,

The two gods are different.

If we do an open challenge, the demons, Satanist, devil, cannot stand in the presence of the Most High God.


He created the heavens and the Earth.

All Power belongs to him.

The God that answer by Fire. Let him be my God.

Someone said Elijah cheated the prophet of Baal with magic.

They agreed to do the challenge. The life of the loser is at stake.

The whole Nation was present.

When the demon worshipers (prophets of Baal 450 of them)
Call their demons. There was no response. The demons have powers too.

Anyone that tells you otherwise is lying. However, whenever the Almighty is involved, they varnish from his presence.

From morning till noon, nothing. They could bring down fire too.. But they were not permitted to do anything in this case. Hehehe.

Elijah brought down fire in a jiffy.

This account is not only in the Bible. Jewish books called scrolls have them too. The Jews who do not believe in Christ read it too.


These gods; marine, tree, obatala, amadioha, images, etc, will respond if you call them.

They are demons that respond on call. Before the Almighty God, the Creator of Heavens and the Earth, whose name is Jehovah, They can't exist. They varnish.


Glory to the Ancient of Days.

Glory to his lamb Jesus.

To him be glory, honour and Dominion.

Now and forever more. Amen.

I just glorified One God. Unseen. His physical form is Jesus.

The holy Spirit is the SPIRIT OF GOD.

You see?

Just One God.

OP carry on with the great Job. Anyone who does not like it should take this L and go

Originakalokalo:


And there must be a God who did these things intentionally for a purpose.

And if there isn't a "God who did these things intentionally for a purpose", we'll just create one, after all, nothing can exist without a creator!

Originakalokalo:

No other god from a well known document will claim to create the heavens and the Earth.

Fyi, creation myths have existed since the dawn of thought when humans have tried to explain what they see. The fact they are not well known to you does not mean they don't exist. Here is a simple List of creation myths.

hopefulLandlord:
OP is even combining big bang and atheism as though big bang were an atheistic claim, ignorance personified; Big Bang was first proposed by a theist, georges Lemaître, who was a Belgian physicist and Roman Catholic priest; the Pope at the time, The Pius XII, even wanted to make it part of the Christian doctrine as "proof of god"

At the start, op was interchanging God with big bang, making the later the creator.

I'm going to have to say this! Forgive them, for they know not what they are saying.

hopefulLandlord:
OP is even combining big bang and atheism as though big bang were an atheistic claim, ignorance personified; Big Bang was first proposed by a theist, georges Lemaître, who was a Belgian physicist and Roman Catholic priest; the Pope at the time, The Pius XII, even wanted to make it part of the Christian doctrine as "proof of god"

The misconception has been corrected.

Atheist should pls think about these things.

They don't just fit and exist.

Are we talking birds now? Really?

obisco4u:
Are we talking birds now? Really?

Yes we are.

Na only birds you see in the arguments?

Originakalokalo:

1. A bird nest seen anywhere is believed to be created by a bird. It cannot just exist.

A place as complicated as the Earth Cannot just exist thru a bang.

Let's look at some stuff on Earth. These things are done deliberately. An explosion cannot just occur and fixed this things in place.

God the Universe, the creator of everything, made the UNIVERSE with the great bang. Things can happen within a split seconds with God Almighty who created Allah, Yahweh, Atum, Olorun, Vishnu etc. Take for example, the reaction of Hydrogen with Flourine is explosive, yet it yield Hydrogen Flouride which is a very useful chemical compound. The great bang made by God Almighty is spontaneous, yet made a complex universe. God is not a slow person to create only 'heaven and earth' in six days when he could have done greater in 0.000000000000000000001 picoseconds.

A religious person telling an atheist to think??

Does your religion permit you to think?
NL has made it possible... I don't blame him.

Originakalokalo:



What I am simply saying is that big bang cannot create.anything.

And there must be a God who did these things intentionally for a purpose.

Both the big bang and the " No God rule" are being thrown out.

Do you even know what the big bang says

Originakalokalo:

The sun has a way it functions.

It works in cycle. That is why it is able to sustain itself for billions of years ago.

The fact that we know how it functions does not mean someone did not start the process before it can sustain itself this long.


This is a challenge:. Now that we have almost all we need eg. Materials, technology, expertise, machines, etc.

Let's simply create a system that will be self sustained as the Sun for billion years without tampering with it or going to put something in it now and then.


If that is not possible, even with all that we have now, the big bang that is just a reaction cannot create a self sustained Sun from nothing and it is sustained over billions of years.


After billions of years, Take a look at the Sun with your bare eyes for 2 minutes.

That is how Powerful our God is.
The Creator of the Earth and Heaven.

Dude pick a struggle you can't be trying to back up your religious claims with scientific fact , according to the bible the world is 6,000 years old

Originakalokalo:



If something created this god as you claim,

Then something has to create that god that created that god that created that god for his purpose.

There is a Supreme God.

The Almighty God whose name is Yaweh.

No other god from a well known document will claim to create the heavens and the Earth.

I know of two that has that claim:

Allah and God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Whose name is Yaweh.The Almighty God.

If we put powers to the test,

The two gods are different.

If we do an open challenge, the demons, Satanist, devil, cannot stand in the presence of the Most High God.


He created the heavens and the Earth.

All Power belongs to him.

The God that answer by Fire. Let him be my God.

Someone said Elijah cheated the prophet of Baal with magic.

They agreed to do the challenge. The life of the loser is at stake.

The whole Nation was present.

When the demon worshipers (prophets of Baal 450 of them)
Call their demons. There was no response. The demons have powers too.

Anyone that tells you otherwise is lying. However, whenever the Almighty is involved, they varnish from his presence.

From morning till noon, nothing. They could bring down fire too.. But they were not permitted to do anything in this case. Hehehe.

Elijah brought down fire in a jiffy.

This account is not only in the Bible. Jewish books called scrolls have them too. The Jews who do not believe in Christ read it too.


These gods; marine, tree, obatala, amadioha, images, etc, will respond if you call them.

They are demons that respond on call. Before the Almighty God, the Creator of Heavens and the Earth, whose name is Jehovah, They can't exist. They varnish.


Glory to the Ancient of Days.

Glory to his lamb Jesus.

To him be glory, honour and Dominion.

Now and forever more. Amen.

I just glorified One God. Unseen. His physical form is Jesus.

The holy Spirit is the SPIRIT OF GOD.

You see?

Just One God.

First of all the jewish book is not called scrolls it is called the Torah and christianity and islam are a derivative of judiasm that is why they all have something in common .This story reminds me about one of the problem I have with christianity is that during those days your god had no problem with competing with other gods to show that he is the true god but now a days when we can record such events and it can reach a lot of people he has suddenly become a god that you must not test

Babatunde360:


Do you even know what the big bang says

Bang, now!

(Is this a trick question )

budaatum:

Bang, now!

(Is this a trick question )

didn't big bang speak to you recently? tell us what it said to you

the question no be here

ScepticalPyrrho:
A religious person telling an atheist to think??

Does your religion permit you to think?
NL has made it possible... I don't blame him.

The message has been passed.

You can choose to believe whatever you want.

God is good.