saengine:


Unlike most people here i have little time to waste, particularly on the same topic, and morever with you. If you want to keep insisting that civilians fall under department of defence jurisdiction, cool. I wont stop you. Article does not specify the type of high level talks, i was giving an example of how our minister of defence doesnt have to be informed. What authority/power does she have to stop them?

I quite enjoy living in my 3rd world, mickey mouse, pathetic, banana republic country. So I'm chilled.

Like i stated earlier, the article should be thrown into the garbage section, since neither you nor the article it'self can substantiate the contents in the report.

A delusional report to self-aggrandisement with no substance.

Henry120:


Like i stated earlier, the article should be thrown into the garbage section, since neither you nor the article it'self can substantiate the contents in the report.

A delusional report to self-aggrandisement with no substance.

Yet you don't give concrete reasoning as to why it should be thrown into garbage bin. Convince us with facts, not your weak and feeble reasoning that the minister of defence should know about their whereabouts. The mercenaries are private citizens and do not work within the jurisdiction of the minister of defence, so, it is undoubtedly possible that the minister might not have been informed about the developments. It was also said that the recruitment was clandestine.

Still remember when Nigeria wanted to buy weapons in SA illegally, they did not inform anyone other that their claim that they addressed it with the presidency. So, this seems as their modus operandi to only talk to the first citizen. The minister of police did not know anything about the development and hence the money meant to buy weapons illegally was confiscated without Zuma having to interfere.

FLASH: Nigerian troops as at yesterday,escorted 3 czech made RM 70 MBRL to the frontlines,from the army base at Yola to the frontlines in Gwoza,Borno state.
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THE RESULTS OF HAVING CHAD TROOPS WITHDRAWN FROM THE BATTLE.


BOKO HARAM KILLS MORE THAN 70


http://m.bbc.com/news/world-africa-31757272


http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/05/world/boko-haram-nigeria-raid/

Henry120:

Like i stated earlier, the article should be thrown into the garbage section, since neither you nor the article it'self can substantiate the contents in the report.
A delusional report to self-aggrandisement with no substance.

The article can only be thrown into the garbage section if you can PROVE that it's false.

So far, all you've done is run hither and thither throwing mud around. But proof cannot be found.

mzilakazi:
THE RESULTS OF HAVING CHAD TROOPS WITHDRAWN FROM THE BATTLE.


BOKO HARAM KILLS MORE THAN 70


http://m.bbc.com/news/world-africa-31757272


http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/05/world/boko-haram-nigeria-raid/

This is itself further exposes the weaknesses of the Nigerian military.

andrewza:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMjN3ZOPHpc

another black man Sandile Ngcobo invented the digital laser. So do they still only have food, shelter sex on there mind?

The African invented the laser but yet the boer monkeys are trying to take credit for the black mans creation in the usual white way, I commend that African for his creation and I condemn that African for allowing those dirty Europeans to speak on camera as though it was their creation. Typical southie slave mentality. Zulus of 400 years ago may have been big and bad but the Zulus of 2015 are slaves and cowards.

ChukwuCantDie:
The African invented the laser but yet the boer monkeys are trying to take credit for the black mans creation in the usual white way, I commend that African for his creation and I condemn that African for allowing those dirty Europeans to speak on camera as though it was their creation. Typical southie slave mentality. Zulus of 400 years ago may have been big and bad but the Zulus of 2015 are slaves and cowards.

This map shows up the real slaves.

DieVluit:



This map shows up the real slaves.

NO! This map shows northerners are uneducated ...yet Naijas GDP has far surpassed Zululands' GDP, so who is the real slave? If you Zulu kaffirs weren't so uneducated your GDP would have probably be the same as ours or even more because of the infrastructure built by the pink people but sadly for you, Zulus are the worlds dumbest humans, SA will never catch Naija again. If we had stable electricity we would already be a 1trillion dollar economy.

ChukwuCantDie:
NO! This map shows northerners are uneducated ...

Exactly! Slaves in their own country.

ChukwuCantDie:
Naijas GDP has far surpassed Zululands' GDP,

Yet...

DieVluit:


Exactly! Slaves in their own country.



Yet...

Is Dangote a slave too? Also I dont know if you noticed but it is no longer 2007..it is now 2015, try again kaffir.

ChukwuCantDie:
Is Dangote a slave too? Also I dont know if you noticed but it is no longer 2007..it is now 2015, try again kaffir.

Feel free to bring different numbers for 2015 - you'll still lose - like you so clearly have lost already.

It follows that when there are slaves, there will also be slave masters.

In Nigeria, there are tons of slaves - oppressed by their own people. Nothing could be more stûpid.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201503030951.html

Fuel scarcity gets worse nationwide.

DieVluit:


Feel free to bring different numbers for 2015 - you'll still lose - like you so clearly have lost already.

It follows that when there are slaves, there will also be slave masters.

In Nigeria, there are tons of slaves - oppressed by their own people. Nothing could be more stûpid.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201503030951.html

Fuel scarcity gets worse nationwide.

I don't need to bring numbers from anywhere, my life is fine. There are no slaves here, it's the Zulus who work on the 90% white owned farms as slaves not us. We Naija peeps own our own farms, kaffir.

We are Nigeria, there is no such thing as a fuel scarcity.

ChukwuCantDie:
I don't need to bring numbers from anywhere,.

You also CANNOT bring numbers from anywhere because you don't have them.

There are tons of slaves in Nigeria. All oppressed by people who look like them.

https://news.vice.com/article/thousands-of-new-nigerian-refugees-flock-to-cameroon-to-escape-boko-haram



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqzE3hY-xlA

It's the most "stûpidest" thing in the entire universe.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/amid-rooivalk-restart-talks-denel-eyes-new-platform-403763/

18 September 2014

Amid Rooivalk restart talks, Denel eyes new platform

An ongoing discussion about restarting Rooivalk production includes an option to design a new platform based on technology developed for South Africa’s indigenous attack helicopter, says Denel Group chief executive Riaz Saloojee.

Last March, South African defence minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula publicly expressed interest in restarting a Rooivalk production line that has gone dormant since 2007 after delivering only 12 aircraft, but offered no details on timing or funding.Those discussions between the Ministry of Defence and Denel Group are ongoing, Saloojee says.

The talks have also broadened to consider additional options, including development of a new aircraft.Asked if Denel would restart production of the Block 1F standard of the Rooivalk that entered service in 2011, Saloojee instead described the ongoing talks as taking a broader view.“We’re not sure if it could be a new platform completely based on the same technology,” Saloojee says. “We don’t know. But definitely we are discussing a roadmap going forward.”

Saloojee declined to define a minimum number of orders that would be required to justify relaunching Rooivalk production or starting a new development programme.“We are in analysis phase at the moment. We are looking at the feasibility not only from a manufacturing perspective but also a market perspective – what is the investment that is going to be required over what period. So all of those decisions need to be considered before a decision is taken,” he says.

The Rooivalk was launched in 1984 by a predecessor company of Denel called Atlas Aircraft Corporation during the apartheid era, when sanctions limited the country’s access to weapons systems. It leaned heavily on the engine and dynamic components designed for South Africa’s Oryx helicopter, which includes elements of the Puma and Super Puma aircraft.The Rooivalk programme, however, was delayed as South Africa shifted suddenly into the post-apartheid era 10 years later.

The aircraft finally entered service in 2011 with weapon system and gearbox upgrades developed to meet the Block 1F standard.The aircraft was deployed in a combat situation for the first time in 2013. A South African unit assigned to a United Nations peacekeeping force deployed the Rooivalk against artillery positions of the March 23 Movement, a rebel army in the Democratic Republic of the Congo that had shelled civilians.“We’re saying we’ve got this technology, we’ve got this platform, surely,” says Saloojee. “There must be a roadmap going forward in order to secure the technology and the future capabilities that we plan.”

ChukwuCantDie:
NO! This map shows northerners are uneducated ...yet Naijas GDP has far surpassed Zululands' GDP, so who is the real slave? If you Zulu kaffirs weren't so uneducated your GDP would have probably be the same as ours or even more because of the infrastructure built by the pink people but sadly for you, Zulus are the worlds dumbest humans, SA will never catch Naija again. If we had stable electricity we would already be a 1trillion dollar economy.

GDP per capita :
South Africa: 11500
Nigeria : 2500

thus if we had the same population as Nigeria,we would have a gdp 4,5 times that of Nigeria.

www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/wfbExt/region_afr.html

Some interesting things were said yesterday by Denel regarding Rooivalk production (SA FM live broadcast). Looks like above story has developed even further since it's printing.

lezz:
during the Libya invasion of chad, chad was undergoing a civil war.

A faction of chad was supporting lybia which was occupying norther chad. This Chadian faction provided scouts and infantry. Libya was proving Arial support and artillery.....so lybia wasn't fully engaged.


France was backing and supporting the other Chadian faction. Later in the war, the two Chadian faction united against Libya who still didn't have her own foot soldiers and infantry in Chad

And with heavy FRENCH SUPPORT, Lybia was defeated.

You have never told a complete truth in your entire nairaland existence.

Wrong war buddy

Google "toyota war"

French influence was limited to supporting a no fly zone and raiding one airfeild which had aircraft that violated it

Ground combat was all done by Chad - and they eradicated 1/10th of Libya army and captured/destroyed libya equipment worth $1,5 billion

DieVluit:


You also CANNOT bring numbers from anywhere because you don't have them.

There are tons of slaves in Nigeria. All oppressed by people who look like them.

https://news.vice.com/article/thousands-of-new-nigerian-refugees-flock-to-cameroon-to-escape-boko-haram



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqzE3hY-xlA

It's the most "stûpidest" thing in the entire universe.

agaugust:


Nope, dummy !

SIPRI did not say you paid for all Badger IFVs, SIPRI only quoted paper value of contract, and they do it for all arms sales that have paper value published. SIPRI is not a financial monitor, they are arms transfer monitor, they don't know and don't care if you pay for weapons, all they care about is that weapons were transfered.

SIPRI lacks accurate data, they say SANDF has ORDERED 238 Badgers, they did NOT say you paid for 238.

South Africa ordered A400M Airbus from France and NEVER paid in full, only part payment, and still NEVER got a single aircraft, contract was cancelled.

SANDF has ONLY 6 Badger IFVs, when you get one more unit, we will be adding it up to know how much you paid for. Money, not paper document, is what buys you weapons, money, cash, not your empty talkative mouth !

SANDF = 6 Badger IFVs paid for.

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Augustus - if you wish to argue with SIPRI, an internationally recognized and respected arms deal monitor, then that is your prerogative.

The fact's are this:

- Deal for 236 Badger IFV's has been finalized
- 222 will be built in South Africa, with 70% of each being South African components
- 14 Badger will be built in Finland.
- Licensed production has been finalized and the facility to build the vehicles has been built


The deal is done, the money paid, the vehicals on their way.

Proof money has been paid:

Denel receives a 10-year, $900 million production contract for the 5 variants of the Hoefyster New Generation Infantry Combat System
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/denel-patria-building-south-africas-next-ifv-03317/

It makes me sad that you are not mature enough to deal with these facts.

agaugust:


France's air power, Jaguar jets, destroyed Libyan tanks, stopped Libyan jets. Special forces were based in French permanent base. French air force jets NEVER leave Chad, permanent base. Defense pact.

Chad is a French colony for life, they NEVER fight war alone ......Chad even has no air force ....Mercenary Europeans fly them
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I love how you are being forced to make this up.

Question is simple: What role did france play in the Toyota war?

agaugust:




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Stop lying dude, you accuse people of lying, yet you patches is the resident liar on Nairaland

South Africa has NO Badger production facility.

All current 6 Badgers manufactured in Finland exported to South Africa

The next 31 Badgers will still be made in Finland and exported to Southies

The total contract to the consortium is R 8.3 billion. An initial R 1.048 billion order was placed in 2007 to develop a prototype of each variant, followed by 12 pre-production vehicles. During the manufacturing phase, the first 37 production vehicles will be built by Patria in Finland, then the other 227 will be produced in South Africa.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/denel-patria-building-south-africas-next-ifv-03317/

Finland owns South Africa

Game Over....ALL Patches lies de.molished with one post

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What lies?

I am simply posting information from SIPRI

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From the same source, the relevant and latest information:

“Denel Land Systems and Patria have signed an agreement regarding Patria AMV 8×8 armoured wheeled vehicle serial production and delivery to South Africa. The agreement includes 238 vehicles, out of which[b] 5 pre-series vehicles have already been delivered[/b] during the development phase. [b]The first 16 serial vehicles will be assembled by Patria in Finlan[/b]d, Hameenlinna. Thereafter the assembly will be migrated to South Africa to Denel Land Systems.”
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/denel-patria-building-south-africas-next-ifv-03317/

SIPRI confirms
Your own source confirms

Game - over

agaugust:


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Seleka rebels erased South Africa from Bangui, while Chad remained unshaken and Seleka dare not challenge Chadian troops.

Chad is Superior to South Africa, you ran away from where they stood firm...SANDF cowards
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4000 Rebels v 200 men

Chad is a Seleka ally

Yet again you have to lie about the facts to even vaguely have an argument here

Henry120:


Another make believe report.

Mods, transfer this to the garbage section.

"Stop posting facts I dont like"

Deal with it, b1tch

Henry120:


Actually when it concerns Nigeria and the COIN campaign, I can categorically state that they don't.

Why don't I ignore it........... it's Nigeria they are talking about dummy, and that's very much my business.


The report is Rubbish, yes.

You know more than ISS?

Lol - dat delusion

Henry120:


Humour me!

Abuja reportedly got cleared with South-Africa's top government echelon but your "minister of defence" isn't aware.

So, who's your government top echelon, it's pretty clear South-Africa runs a banana republic government.

Or maybe that South Africa is concerned about BLOW-BACK (look up the term) and is trying to publicly distance itself from the activities of its mercenaries.

And when you live in one of the most failed states in the world, you shouldent dare call someone a banana republic

agaugust:


Your recycled mercenary story is a fat lie, it blew it.self into pieces by saying South African, American, French, and British forces are all inside Nigeria....Nigerian army does not train with France and American training was cancelled in 2014 many months ago.

You post garbage because that's the bottom level your thinking faculty is stuck to perpetually. I don't expect intelligent thinking from a South African, your white-master banned you from that level of brainwork 100 years ago and that mental embargo is not yet lifted, it will require series of prayer and fasting deliverance sessions for many decades
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Augustus

Provide a counter source to prove your claims

Until you do, ours stands

Henry120:


Think........ I expect you to think saengine.

The report claims that Abuja and Pretoria have an understanding on this matter, so there should be no qualms on this matter.

Yet the same paper goes on to say that the minister is un aware of a situation under her jurisdiction which Abuja and Pretoria supposedly have an agreement on. .......... how?


This paper also claims Americans who where kicked out months ago are involved in the so called offensive. Does this report sincerely make any sense to you?




Fact is, you south-africans cooked up a story to feel relevant, and the south-african government runs a banana regime.

Who said the americans were kicked out?

I guess you cant tell the difference between American government support and private contractors?

Also, why would our minister of defence be responsible for dealing with South African PMC's? Its not her jop.

Again, facts are facts - provide a counter source or the source stands.

Henry120:


The sort of Education you guys in South-Africa receive is just sad.


You don't understand your own article

Our literacy rate compared to yours tells a different story

Henry120:

I never expected a knowledgeable answer, thanks for proving me right.

Not only have you shown your government runs an incompetent regime, you have again proven South-Africa is a banana republic.

According to you, for every fairytale south-african mercenary, the minister of the interior calls up your home affairs minister, who then keeps this information of ex-SADF soldiers away from the appropriate authority(Defence minister)?

I mean.......... does this make any sense to you? just say you were joking.



That fat woman comes into the picture because your fairytale mercenaries are EX-SADF. People who fall under her jurisdiction.

What a pathetic country.

Your Defence minister and the entire cabinet of the mickey mouse President should be disbanded.

You run a mediocre government in south-africa.

Why are you so emotional?

Nigeria is the country that is a failed state, not South Africa - so you are literally a banana republic

The Minister of Defense is only responsible for serving members of the SANDF - she has nothing to do with PMC's

Facts are facts, we have to train your soldiers for you.

Henry120:


Nothing "tricky" about the Rooivalk. Nobody just wants it. Not even your government. It is an obsolete piece of crap.

I guess you missed the part where the government is looking into buying more of them?

Rooivalks was never developed for export, so it is ridiculous to judge the quality of the Rooivalk based on sales.

agaugust:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGmyZ5AK1jk

[size=16pt]Black man giving hot pepper to BBC live face to face !

True son of Naija ! Other African countries don't have this kind of courage.

The Nigerian courage in the face of white-supremacists that makes them hate us and wish us evil.

Looking for the downfall of the only black giant on earth? Never !
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Your country is a joke

The Europeans dont hate you, they pity you and your inability to rule yourselves.