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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 1:38pm On Jul 27, 2014
Unrelated: For those of you whom still doubt how important operational usage of weapon systems is to sales and influence over potential customers,look how sharply Israel weapons sales will rise during this conflict with Gaza. Where Israeli UAVs,tanks and other systems will see action.

Armies around the world are watching and following the conflict very closely.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 3:01pm On Jul 27, 2014
MikeZA: Do you know what's an automatic Grenade Launcher? Do you know that every platoon in the SANDF has AGLs,MGLs and Patmos?.

You ask for AGLS and that's what you get?

Are you okay?

You(andrew and patches) asked for the nigerian army MGLs a few weeks back, and I specifically told you guys that MGLs have been in service with the nigerian military for years.

I went on a pasted AGLs of the nigerian navy to buttress my point. Yesterday, we all saw photos of nigerian army MGL.

Show us a weapon station in your SANDF better than what this soldier has?

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mytym(m): 3:09pm On Jul 27, 2014
MikeZA: Unrelated: For those of you whom still doubt how important operational usage of weapon systems is to sales and influence over potential customers,look how sharply Israel weapons sales will rise during this conflict with Gaza. Where Israeli UAVs,tanks and other systems will see action.

Armies around the world are watching and following the conflict very closely.

Exactly why Israel will laugh at the ceasefire pact, the sales will boom by ascertaining the superiority of their firepower over others while new territories will be claimed. It's a win-win for Israel.

@Henry120 you really have done a commendable due diligence trying to convince us about Nigeria's military superiority... most folks who still doubt that have forgotten the fact that no nation will reveal total information about its military prowess especially regarding equipment and technology.
Nigeria has the best military capacity on the continent but it will be foolhardy to put those on public display...

All those equipment they normally parade on military day celebrations are just an infinitesimally small part of the armoury and technology the NM actually possess...without any gainsaying!

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 3:11pm On Jul 27, 2014
MikeZA: The powerful army is still sending WIA( wounded in action) soldiers abroad for treatment.

This here is a rebel force people.

The Hilux army is weak and have no standards whatsoever.

When was the last time SA had to send it's soldiers overseas cause it couldn't provide for their special treatment.

I don't believe anyone can get dumber than this.


We got state of the art hospitals in nigeria, government, military and private. You've seen photos of nigerian navy specialist hospital in calabar.


The statement clearly stated all soldiers requiring medical care are been treated across military hospitals, while 4 soldiers have been taken abroad for further care. The soldiers more most likely taken to germany.

The world is a global village, and there is nothing wrong in taking critically wounded soldiers abroad for additional care. It simply means the nigerian army would not leave any soldier in a poor state, the army will take it's personnel to the moon for specialist care if it was required. The Americans do it, I got no problem with.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 3:16pm On Jul 27, 2014
MikeZA: Unrelated: For those of you whom still doubt how important operational usage of weapon systems is to sales and influence over potential customers,look how sharply Israel weapons sales will rise during this conflict with Gaza. Where Israeli UAVs,tanks and other systems will see action.

Armies around the world are watching and following the conflict very closely.

Related.

You guys (SAn's) have always been the ones in doubt. Anyway the Israelis have taken 42 dead, I don't think that would positively affect weapons sales.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by mytym(m): 4:08pm On Jul 27, 2014
Henry120: COUNTERINSURGENCY PROCUREMENT: FEDERAL GOVT OF NIGERIA PLACE ORDER FOR 40 ATTACK AND TRANSPORT HELICOPTERS FROM RUSSIA, UNITED STATES; DELIVERIES SET TO COMMENCE AS EARLY AS AUGUST 2014





DAILY POST
25 July, 2014

In a determined effort to eliminate terrorism by routing insurgents from their hideouts in parts of the North East and North West once and for all, the Federal Government has placed purchase orders for 40 helicopters for attack and transportation from the United States and Russia, DailyPost can report.

Reliable security sources confided in PRNigeria that some of the helicopters will arrive the country as early as next month, while the remaining will be received certainly before the end of the year to boost the Nigerian Airforce.

Some military and other security forces are currently frustrated about their inability to storm the notorious Sambisa Forest where Boko Haram militants are keeping the abducted Chibok secondary school girls and also serving as operational headquarters of the
group.

The reason, according to PRNIgeria findings is that security operatives are not only aware of the locations of the girls but are also closely monitoring the way that the girls are being moved around, hence they are afraid of the backlash should any harm befall the girls in the course of a forced rescue.

Past cases of attempts to rescue British and Italian nationals in Sokoto and SETRACO workers which boomerang are the reasons that the security forces have been reluctant in storming the forest and rescuing the girls.

Oh, I wish we could have a consensus of opinion from Nigerians that we should storm the forest and rescue the girls. The day Nigerians decide that enough is enough in one voice, to clear the forest will take less than one week,” a top security source bemoaned.

Already, security forces have succeeded in ridding Zamfara, Kaduna, Jigawa and part of Bauchi states of Fulani cattle rustlers. “These have been completely eliminated”, the source declared.

The officers gave the assurance that although, terrorism like any asymmetric wars have proven to be difficult to combat anywhere in the world, the Nigerian security forces would have found it easier to deal with, had there not been politicisation of the issue.


@MikeZ should note @ bolded...BokoH issue in Nigeria is internal.
Have you asked yourself Why They (Nigerian Military) form the spine of UN/AU peace missions across africa, recording almost total success?
You tongue lash Nigerian military being humbled when your military have not experienced what a real battle is.
If you heard about the recent mutiny within the Nig. Army concerning the insurgency then you'll understand how complex it is to be fighting your fellow soldier both of you having practically the same information and expertise...i assume you read news sad

about Discipline, Tact and Expertise...then i knew you don't know jack when it comes to Rules of Engagement which is the only reason why Boko Haram is still having a field day. One thing a Nigerian military personnel has is discipline.
I'm sure you know so much about Nigeria so you must have heard about the paramilitary course ALL young graduates by duty must observe for a year...if only you have the opportunity to be mobilized then both your conscious and subconscious knowledge of the term DISCIPLINE will be changed forever!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by charlos14: 4:14pm On Jul 27, 2014
Henry120:

Are you okay?

You(andrew and patches) asked for the nigerian army MGLs a few weeks back, and I specifically told you guys that MGLs have been in service with the nigerian military for years.

I went on a pasted AGLs of the nigerian navy to buttress my point. Yesterday, we all saw photos of nigerian army MGL.

Show us a weapon station in your SANDF better than what this soldier has?

This is called suprise muthafcker!
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by fydence: 5:10pm On Jul 27, 2014
agaugust: .
[size=14pt]Latest 2014 version of k.iller Mi-35 Hind E Night-Attack Helicopters arrive for NAF

More modern than SAAF Rooivalk

SANDF 1990s weapons fast becoming obsolete

Nigeria re-confirms superiority


http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/army-begins-to-take-delivery-of-critical-assets-in-war-against-boko-haram/183655/[/size]


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Good Lord! I love the look of this!! Yes Lord!

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Helghast: 11:12pm On Jul 27, 2014
agaugust:

Bostwana with a tiny market of a 2 million citizen population including half a million of them HIV infected? You must be very sick like them grin grin


Dumb-Bleep

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:30am On Jul 28, 2014
Helghast:

Dumb-Bleep

There are about TEN vital ECONOMIC INDICES that judge who has a better economy, currency exchange rate is only one of them.

1 US Dollar = 101 Japanese Yen
1 US Dollar = 8 Botswanan Pulas

Means according to you, Bostwana has a BETTER economy than Japan...You are a real G.oat head mumu grin grin

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Helghast: 5:53am On Jul 28, 2014
agaugust:

There are about TEN vital ECONOMIC INDICES that judge who has a better economy, currency exchange rate is only one of them.

1 US Dollar = 101 Japanese Yen
1 US Dollar = 8 Botswanan Pulas

Means according to you, Bostwana has a BETTER economy than Japan...You are a real G.oat head mumu grin grin

Dude why do you like diverting every argument we have or can't you read or something? I didn't say better economy I said "stronger economy" maybe you should brush up on your reading skills, and this has nothing to do with Japan, we are talking about African countries, and to add to it people in Botswana have better living conditions then in Nigeria.

China has a stronger and larger economy than japan but it doesn't make it better, all I said was that Botswana has a Stronger Economy than S.A and Nigeria I didn't say it was better, your lack of understanding simple English is astounding.

Learn to understand and ask questions before writing KAK comments like that.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 9:04am On Jul 28, 2014
ROOIVALK MADE, DESIGNED AND PRODUCED IN SOUTH AFRICA AND NEARLY 10 COUNTRIES ARE ABOUT TO SIGN ORDERS TO BUY IT......PROUD ABOUT FOREIGN WEAPONS MUMU

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 9:07am On Jul 28, 2014
how can you praise your neighbour about his achievements when you dont have absolute nothing?

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 9:10am On Jul 28, 2014
Pride of the SANDF

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 9:32am On Jul 28, 2014
In the mid-1990s, when a senior officer in the SA Navy was asked, how he saw the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) and in particular the South African Navy (SAN) of the future. His said it would either be a small hi-tech force, or a large low-tech force.
While the trend before the strategic arms package seemed to be towards a large low-tech force, the trend has definitely changed - not
necessarily towards a small hi-tech force, but definitely away from the former trend.

On Modern weapons this is what he said:

Any new (as opposed to used/"second-hand"wink weapon system procured today, if not intrinsically hi-tech, contains at least some hi-tech functionality or components. This has implications in terms of operational use and/or operational support.
While this is generally true for all modern defence forces worldwide, what are the implications for the SANDF?
A further complicating factor is the type of operations the SANDF has to be able to perform, ranging from very low-intensity peace support operations (PSO) to defending the integrity of SA against a conventional onslaught. The potential area of operations, ranging from savannah to dense forest and marshland, does not make the task any easier.

On Conflicting implications

The recent experience in armed conflict worldwide has also showed that while hi-tech systems, weapons and armaments can achieve an initial "shock and awe" effect, it has to be followed up by "boots on the ground" to ensure final victory and achievement of the military and therefore political objectives.

This has conflicting implications in as much as that it requires some mix of hi-tech capability as well as sufficient numbers of soldiers with basic infantry training and abilities. In terms of the SANDF, this is evident in the sophisticated aircraft being acquired by the South African Air Force, the hi-tech submarines and patrol corvettes of the SAN, while the SA Army conducts PSO requiring the basic infantry capability.
In order to be able to fully meet the strategic objectives set for it, the SANDF, and specifically the SA Army, also needs a hi-tech capability. This is being addressed by projects such as the ground-based air defence system currently in the acquisition phase, the new generation infantry fighting-vehicle (Project Hoefyster) to be acquired, and Project African Warrior (infantry modernisation), among others.

Becoming sophisticated
In addition to sophisticated electronics, the IT component of modern weapon systems is becoming the heart of its evolving functionality. This means soldiers are being exposed to more and more sophisticated (often embedded) IT systems as part of their trade.
The new weapon systems have far-reaching operational and support implications. From an operational perspective, it requires new or adapted doctrine, operating procedures, training and training systems.
In order to optimally integrate new systems and/or equipment into the SANDF joint operational capability, the use of constructive simulation (or "war gaming"wink is being seen as an excellent tool. The SANDF fortunately has access to world-class solutions in this regard.

On Gaining support
An even more challenging aspect of the hi-tech systems is the operational support. Traditional, entrenched approaches are being challenged by the sophistication of the equipment and the multitude of engineering disciplines required for maintenance.
A single platform can require a combination of electrical engineering, electronics skills, hydraulics knowledge, mechanical expertise and IT capabilities to maintain. It is virtually impossible for even the most advanced First World defence forces to main sufficient depth of manpower for this purpose.

On Involved transformation
So what is the solution to this problem? While there is still an international transformation in progress in this regard, it is obvious industry needs to become much more involved – from the second line of support in many cases, right through to depot and industry level.
This again has implications in terms of faultfinding and diagnostics, which need to be more user-friendly, allowing the military to identify a fault to a "line replaceable unit" or functional component, which can be swapped out. The soldier will not open any "black boxes", but will simply send it to industry for repair (or replacement). This, in turn, has a knock-on effect in terms of spares holding and cost.
The real challenging aspect here is software. Theoretically software is deterministic, and should be integrated into weapons platforms and systems in a fault-free manner. However, should there prove to be a "bug" or a critical required functional enhancement, it is mostly only the original software provider who would be able to fix the bug or implement the enhancement. This cements the support relationship between the military and the industry.
For the SANDF and the local defence-related industry, this is an area we still have to jointly address.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 10:23am On Jul 28, 2014
A true professional army SANDF

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 10:24am On Jul 28, 2014
no lies no claiming of misplaced opinions but facts backed by reality

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 11:21am On Jul 28, 2014
agaugust:

The facts are that 70% of a vehicle is the engine, and the engine is NOT south african, IT IS a product of Finland
.

Remove the engine, then no more vehicle, and no Badger IFV grin grin

Remove the turret, suspension, optics, Armour package, blast vents etc and you have no more Badger IFV

So I must ask: What exactly is your argument?

[size=15pt]BEHOLD!! The Badger IFV!! 70% South African Design!! 100% Built in South Africa!![/size]

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 11:22am On Jul 28, 2014
agaugust:

Nigeria has the best and most modern MRAP in all Africa. Go kiss your canvass shoes tongue tongue

PHOTO : GIANT OF AFRICA DISPLAYS GIANT MRAP

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You have a handfull of MRAP's - and even less DONATED un-tested Chinese MRAPs

How many do we have?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 11:23am On Jul 28, 2014
agaugust:

No, most of them were recruited about 20 years ago already advanced in age and getting old when Mandela became president and used SANDF jobs as compensation for half-illiterate South African black men from the wasted generation created by your white-man Boer masters.

40 + 20 = 60....soweto old people's army retirement home tongue tongue


So our whole army was 40 in 1994?

18 +20 = 38.

Late 30's is when a senior NCO or Officer is at his prime

Think before you type.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 11:24am On Jul 28, 2014
agaugust:
[size=14pt]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Standby_Force

African Union soldiers have headquarters combatants' bases in four locations...

1. Cairo Egypt
2. Abuja Nigeria
3. Addis Ababa Ethiopia
4. Harare Zimbabwe

The AU has silently but visibly ranked the best four armies in Africa, based on all aspects combined...weapons, equipment, number of soldiers, professionalism, reliability, war experience, and records of achievements in battle.

South Africa failed to meet the above combined technical requirements, Zimbabwe was ranked as superior[/size].

PHOTOS : ZIM
.

This is too stu.pid to even bother responding to.

So where a logistics base is placed determines how good an army is?

Fool
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 11:25am On Jul 28, 2014
Henry120:

Look, the only difference of the patria and the badger are the turrets. The badger is a Patria IFV. All this talk of 70% designed in south-africa is utter delusion.

You cannot design 70% of a vehicle that already is in existence. You imported the patria.

You can re-design 70%

You can replace 70% of it with your own equipment.

So yes we did.

And considering that all but 17 will be built in South Africa... we arent actually importing anything
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 11:26am On Jul 28, 2014
kikuyu1: Hmm,the Merk 4 pic didn't show. I'll try again:

[img]http://2.bp..com/-xWjImo9y7vg/TmI7IXT5TII/AAAAAAAAAQ8/5vXdxw4cJME/s1600/Merkava+Mark+IV.jpg[/img]

What a sexy beast!!

Who is getting the Merk4?

Kenya?

No offence, but the Merk is over-rated IMO.

But hey... its better than a Vickers or Olifant.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 11:27am On Jul 28, 2014
Henry120:

Are you okay?

You(andrew and patches) asked for the nigerian army MGLs a few weeks back, and I specifically told you guys that MGLs have been in service with the nigerian military for years.

I went on a pasted AGLs of the nigerian navy to buttress my point. Yesterday, we all saw photos of nigerian army MGL.

Show us a weapon station in your SANDF better than what this soldier has?

AGL's are not in common service with the Nigerian army.

Every single SANDF infantry company has them.

Can you say the same? No, of course you cannot.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 11:30am On Jul 28, 2014
Henry120:

I don't believe anyone can get dumber than this.


We got state of the art hospitals in nigeria, government, military and private. You've seen photos of nigerian navy specialist hospital in calabar.


The statement clearly stated all soldiers requiring medical care are been treated across military hospitals, while 4 soldiers have been taken abroad for further care. The soldiers more most likely taken to germany.

The world is a global village, and there is nothing wrong in taking critically wounded soldiers abroad for additional care. It simply means the nigerian army would not leave any soldier in a poor state, the army will take it's personnel to the moon for specialist care if it was required. The Americans do it, I got no problem with.


We got state of the art hospitals in nigeria, government, military and private. You've seen photos of nigerian navy specialist hospital in calabar.

followed by:

while 4 soldiers have been taken abroad for further care. The soldiers more most likely taken to germany.

So, you just full on contradict yourself now?

If you had the "state of the art" hospitals you claim to have... you would not need to send your men anywhere for "further" care
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 11:32am On Jul 28, 2014
Henry120:

Related.

You guys (SAn's) have always been the ones in doubt. Anyway the Israelis have taken 42 dead, I don't think that would positively affect weapons sales.

yet again you dont know what you are talking about.

After every Isrealy war, their arms sales get a major boost
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/08/201381410565517125.html
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Thiza: 12:40pm On Jul 28, 2014
Tried and tested in 30 years of battle experiance and came out on top

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AwodwaGyanOniwe: 3:43pm On Jul 28, 2014
MULTI RACIAL S.A. SEVENS RUGBY TEAM WINS GOLD IN GLASGOW 2014. grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

SOUTH AFRICA TOPS AFRICA IN MEDAL RANKINGS. grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

We need to REBASE COMMONWEALTH GAMES SO THAT NAAIGAYRIA CAN CATCH UP WITH S.A.
grin grin grin grin

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by AwodwaGyanOniwe: 3:44pm On Jul 28, 2014
GOLD MEDALS ARE POURING FOR TEAM S.A.
MMENS LAWN BOWLS WINS GOLD.
grin grin

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:19pm On Jul 28, 2014
Helghast:

Dude why do you like diverting every argument we have or can't you read or something? I didn't say better economy I said "stronger economy" maybe you should brush up on your reading skills, and this has nothing to do with Japan, we are talking about African countries, and to add to it people in Botswana have better living conditions then in Nigeria.

China has a stronger and larger economy than japan but it doesn't make it better, all I said was that Botswana has a Stronger Economy than S.A and Nigeria I didn't say it was better, your lack of understanding simple English is astounding.

Learn to understand and ask questions before writing KAK comments like that.

Stronger exchange rate does NOT mean stronger economy, it means STRONGER CURRENCY...I am a finance professional.

I am not a fake accountant the way you are a fake nuclear scientist grin grin

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:29pm On Jul 28, 2014
Thiza: Tried and tested in 30 years of battle experiance and came out on top

South Africa has NOT fought any war in the last 20 years. All your current jet fighter aircraft, warships and submarines have never been tested in battle....BUT HAVE BEEN FULLY TESTED IN HOLLYWOOD ACTORS WAR PHOTOGRAPHY JAMBOREE tongue tongue

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