chris365:

bros, I too love you for this comment. #NoHomo.

His mind is still stuck in soviet type of trenches doctrine.

Where else the SANDF focus more on mobility and maneuver.

AugustineAgain:

Bwahahahaha

Desperado Logumba

EW, ECM, ECCM and ESM warfare are not the same as ISTAR.

F-7 jet can carry targeting pod, recce pod, EW pod, so does that make it an ISTAR aircraft?

Electronic warfare is one thing, but ISTAR is four things combined. Nigerian ATR-42 is an MPA/electronic/ELINT warfare aircraft 100 times better than South African flying coffin Dakota 1957 ancient cucumber shaped aircraft. Did you ever hear me say ATR-42 is an ISTAR platform? Mumu !

SANDF is 66 years behind Nigeria in ISTAR warfare. Swallow extra humble pie.

#Show Us SAAF ISTAR Aircraft

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Are you also gonna say UAVs aren't ISTAR aircraft?

ISTAR: Intelligence,surveillance and target acquisition and reconnaissance.

Drones,jets and many other aircraft can perform that duty.

The Gripen can designate targets,conduct reconnaissance taking videos and pictures and relay them to HQ with data links.

The Gripen can perform almost all the tasks your flying turkey takes.

Here's another ISTAR aircraft from the SANDF.

MikeZA: Are you also gonna say UAVs aren't ISTAR aircraft?

ISTAR: Intelligence,surveillance and target acquisition and reconnaissance.

Drones,jets and many other aircraft can perform that duty.

The Gripen can designate targets,conduct reconnaissance taking videos and pictures and relay them to HQ with data links.

The Gripen can perform almost all the tasks your flying turkey takes.

Here's another ISTAR aircraft from the SANDF.

Can your toy Soweto drones fly range 5,000 km distance, fly altitude 10 km high, spy on target with radar 80 km away safe from enemy air defense, carry different types of multi-role ISTAR equipment load of heavy weight 3,000 pounds ?

It will take you 66 years to understand the meaning of ISTAR capability because that is how far your South Africa is crawling like a snail behind Nigeria, 66 years behind us

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MikeZA: His mind is still stuck in soviet type of trenches doctrine.

Where else the SANDF focus more on mobility and maneuver.

mikeZa.. talking gibberish since 5000BC.

sirjerry: hell,,SAAF has now turn into a force for female models,lol,,imagine a country national airforce.

Ask and you shall receive answers and information.

The pictures were taken at an air show,which we have all the time in South Africa.

The air frames in the picture are retired SAAF aircraft,kept in perfect flying condition by the unoperational wing of SAAF(The SAAF museum).

People can shot videos,take pictures and a lot at SAAF museums. I won't blame you since you don't have such in Nigeria as your retired air frames get destroyed by BH and your retired soldiers start lobby blogs Looool

Systems like the Cheetah fighter jets,Puma helicopters,Mirage jets,Intercontinental ballistic missile etc are kept in SAAF museums.

chris365:

mikeZa.. talking gibberish since 5000BC.

Your brain: "I can't counter these facts by Mika..ZA dude,just resort empty claims,jokes......."

Your soldiers are in trenches mate. Trenches in a counter insurgency operations.

A counter insurgency force must be highly mobile,brutal,carry heavy fire power,highly maneuverable not sitting in trenches.

MikeZA: Are you also gonna say UAVs aren't ISTAR aircraft?

ISTAR: Intelligence,surveillance and target acquisition and reconnaissance.

Drones,jets and many other aircraft can perform that duty.

The Gripen can designate targets,conduct reconnaissance taking videos and pictures and relay them to HQ with data links.

The Gripen can perform almost all the tasks your flying turkey takes.

Here's another ISTAR aircraft from the SANDF.

On more than 4 occasions I responded to the multiple lies and misinformation you freely perpetuated on this thread, and in each of them I got hit with a ban.

Instead you to desist, you're back telling more fairy tales.

Nigeria operates sub-saharan Africa's most advanced ISR platform. The Gripen on the other hand is not a surveillance platform. It is a light weight fighter aircraft, which you corrupt government acquired with loans you aren't done paying, a contract that has seen your former president called to defend himself against corruption allegations.


SA(retirement home/limousine service)NDF has no drones in service. Quit posting that image.

This is the most advanced ISR platform in SSA.

I just feel like spanking her A$s.

"Damn girl, you got a bright future behind you".

AugustineAgain:

Can your toy Soweto drones fly range 5,000 km distance, fly altitude 10 km high, spy on target with radar 80 km away safe from enemy air defense, carry different types of multi-role ISTAR equipment load of heavy weight 3,000 pounds ?

It will take you 66 years to understand the meaning of ISTAR capability because that is how far your South Africa is crawling like a snail behind Nigeria, 66 years behind us

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Spy?

You seem to forget what ISTAR really mean.

You're now shifting the argument to payload and endurance. Many ISTAR drones have different payloads for different missions an IR or radar turret can be fitted.

Let's break down ISTAR letter by letter shall we?
1. Intelligence. SAAF JDRP,Litening III pod,Argos 410-Z pod and the Gripen can take pictures,videos etc for intell

2.Surveillance: The Gripen(with onboard radar and pods),A109 helicopter,Vulture UAVS etc can perform this.

3. Target acquisition: The Litening III can designate targets with laser,the Gripen can also do that with radar for the Hawk trainers. The Hawk trainer can armed with radar guided missiles and stand-off munitions.

4. Surveillance: Pods,Caravan,A109,Vulture UAVS can do fill this role.

MikeZA: Your brain: "I can't counter these facts by Mika..ZA dude,just resort empty claims,jokes......."

Your soldiers are in trenches mate. Trenches in a counter insurgency operations.

A counter insurgency force must be highly mobile,brutal,carry heavy fire power,highly maneuverable not sitting in trenches.

Trenches are a defensive position dummy. In an isolated out-post it makes combat sense for the 7-12 soldiers to have a defensive line, if HESCO bags aren't available.


The shelter you ignorant south-african's are laughing at, are the same as the make-shit shelters U.S forces have used widely in afghanistan. It shows the forces would dig in and fight. He's not on a vacation in Calabar or Obudu.

The nigerian military is a highly mobile force, bringing considerable fire-power to bear, with a vast enviable wealth of experience.

Although our military is not a hollywood military, we've managed to see them in their( igirigi's, CV3 Bigfoot, streit MK3's, otokar cobra's) in the photos shared by siriusblack, getting the job done.

Henry120:

On more than 4 occasions I responded to the multiple lies and misinformation you freely perpetuated on this thread, and in each of them I got hit with a ban.

Instead you to desist, you're back telling more fairy tales.

Nigeria operates sub-saharan Africa's most advanced ISR platform. The Gripen on the other hand is not a surveillance platform. It is a light weight fighter aircraft, which you corrupt government acquired with loans you aren't done paying, a contract that has seen your former president called to defend himself against corruption allegations.


SA(retirement home/limousine service)NDF has no drones in service. Quit posting that image.

The Gripen is multi-role/swing role advanced light jet.

It can perform counter air,strategic strikes,maritime strikes,air defence(both offensive and defensive),ground strikes,reconnaissance,air combat,close air support and more

And yes,the former president was called to testify at the Seriti commission. It is called accountability. And are you saying there's no corruption in Nigerian acquisitions?

Besides SAAF chose the right equipment from the proposed list. You think we would've chose second hand Mirage-2000?

I hate when you behave like you have a walnut size brain like @AugustineAgain.

MikeZA: 11 F-7Ni will conduct 1. Escort for the Alpha jets,Beechcraft etc 2. Counter air 3. High speed reconnaissance 4. Interception 5. Interdiction 6. Strategic strikes( precision) 7. Training 8. Air patrol 9. Air defense etc?

ISTAR? Please post Nigerian equipment that matches the ones in the pics below

Nuff said on this D.Ata l.inks issue.

The nigerian military possesses data links capability. We it practically used in the rescue of two vessels, one off the coast of Angola, the other in ghana.

We also continue to see this capability during the yearly exercise obangame.

We have also seen the ground control/analysis center, the military's situation room.

We haven't seen this capability been deployed by the SANDF or even written.

Henry120:

Trenches are a defensive position dummy. In an isolated out-post it makes combat sense for the 7-12 soldiers to have a defensive line, if HESCO bags aren't available.


The shelter you ignorant south-african's are laughing at, are the same as the make-shit shelters U.S forces have used widely in afghanistan. It shows the forces would dig in and fight. He's not on a vacation in Calabar or Obudu.

The nigerian military is a highly mobile force, bringing considerable fire-power to bear, with a vast enviable wealth of experience.

Although our military is not a hollywood military, we've managed to see them in their( igirigi's, CV3 Bigfoot, streit MK3's, otokar cobra's) in the photos shared by siriusblack, getting the job done.

Defensive? Looool Go find a book by the man the picture below and read it.

I hate you guys say your military is experienced. In what? Fighting butt nake... cannibal rebels?

It's either your military becomes brutal or just start a secret police unit which will commit the bad deeds like "dealing" with villages whom offer the enemy help etc. To win that war.

kikuyu1:

That's why I earlier said I'm, not getting involved in this thread. Assertions pulled straight from his arse passed off as expert analysis! Pray,tell,what do you know of our budgetary allocations of force structures? Do you have any idea of the wider E African threat matrix? !

I got nothing against Kenya. However, kenya is getting no Merkava tanks from Israel.

Henry120:

Nuff said on this D.Ata l.inks issue.

The nigerian military possesses data links capability. We it practically used in the rescue of two vessels, one off the coast of Angola, the other in ghana.

We also continue to see this capability during the yearly exercise obangame.

We have also seen the ground control/analysis center, the military's situation room.

We haven't seen this capability been deployed by the SANDF or even written.

NATO uses Link-11 if I'm not mistaken or it was been replaced. SA uses Link-ZA. Nigeria has no data links please name it or shut it.

Ground control? Air forces have them. From analyzing reconnaissance pictures to Intel is what they're used for.

Link-ZA links systems in the field to the commanders' Chaka C2 system. In the future soldiers will be tracked on the battlefield by sensors on their helmets called "impi".

The commander are able to receive real time information relayed to them from the battlefield via Link-ZA. It ables the Defence force to act as one muscle.

The Hawk can fire a radar guided missile linked to the Gripen it can guide it with Linkza.

patches689:

On the T-72 and merkava, an upgraded T-72 is just as good as the merkava the Israelis deploy. It is when you add the force structure (artillery, airforce, navy), that the merkava is on a different level.

HA!

Are you insane?

The T-72 is one of the worst tanks in the world - look at any war it has ever fought in for proof.

Stop calling S.A weapons, you got nothing of note outside MRAPs.

1. Rooivalk
- Nigeria has no comparison

2. Badger IFV
-Nigeria has no comparison

3. G6
-Nigeria has no comparison

4. G5
- Nigeria has no comparison

5. Oilifant Mk2
- Nigeria has no comparison

6. NTW-20
- Nigeria has no comparison

7. Rooikat
- Nigeria has no comparison

8. Umkhonto missile
- Nigeria has no comparison

9. Ingwe Missile
- Nigeria has no comparison

10. Mokopa Missile
- Nigeria has no comparison.

11. Y3 AGL
- Nigeria has no comparison

12. Milkor MGL
- Nigeria has no comparison

And that is just offensive weapons. Do you wish to discuss general equipment?

[size=15pt]Remeber: Most of these weapons listed above HAVE BEEN SOLD TO OTHER NATIONS.[/size]

Have you seen Syrian Army up-graded T-72's take a beating in the syrian civil war? An Upgraded T-72 is a great tank.


1. Why would nigeria need a Half-french helicopter, which you don't even want ( you only got 10 of them), when we got MI-35M's.

No sane person would trade an MI-35M for a half-french helicopter.

2. You have no patria IFV's in SANDF.

3. We got both BTR-3U's and Sagaie AFVs

4. Our Palmaria artillery system is one of the best howitzer's in the world.

5. We got up-graded T-72's in service. Your Olifant is a museum relic.

6. MGLs, AGLs, we have tons of those in actual service, not photo-shoots. Actual service.

7. SSG-69 and Dragunov sniper rifles are amongst the best sniper rifles in the world.

The rest of your gibberish...... Just as usual.

MikeZA: NATO uses Link-11 if I'm not mistaken or it was been replaced. SA uses Link-ZA. Nigeria has no data links please name it or shut it.

Ground control? Air forces have them. From analyzing reconnaissance pictures to Intel is what they're used for.

Link-ZA links systems in the field to the commanders' Chaka C2 system. In the future soldiers will be tracked on the battlefield by sensors on their helmets called "impi".

The commander are able to receive real time information relayed to them from the battlefield via Link-ZA. It ables the Defence force to act as one muscle.

The Hawk can fire a radar guided missile linked to the Gripen it can guide it with Linkza.

Stop spewing multiple gibberish.

I've shown you practical uses of nigerian Data links. You shown us nothing.

So you tell us, how nigerian ATR's are able to share information with ships at sea?

MikeZA: Defensive? Looool Go find a book by the man the picture below and read it.

I hate you guys say your military is experienced. In what? Fighting butt nake... cannibal rebels?

It's either your military becomes brutal or just start a secret police unit which will commit the bad deeds like "dealing" with villages whom offer the enemy help etc. To win that war.

What meaningful thing has a south-african got to say, "48 laws of escaping bangui",

I wouldn't want to read that.

MikeZA: It's either your military becomes brutal or just start a secret police unit which will commit the bad deeds like "dealing" with villages whom offer the enemy help etc. To win that war.

You know nothing on the nigerian military, neither would the nigerian military be discussing it's tactics on the internet.

The nigerian airforce have taken delivery of 3 ELINT compliant surveillance planes

MikeZA: Spy?

You seem to forget what ISTAR really mean.

You're now shifting the argument to payload and endurance. Many ISTAR drones have different payloads for different missions an IR or radar turret can be fitted.

Let's break down ISTAR letter by letter shall we?
1. Intelligence. SAAF JDRP,Litening III pod,Argos 410-Z pod and the Gripen can take pictures,videos etc for intell

2.Surveillance: The Gripen(with onboard radar and pods),A109 helicopter,Vulture UAVS etc can perform this.

3. Target acquisition: The Litening III can designate targets with laser,the Gripen can also do that with radar for the Hawk trainers. The Hawk trainer can armed with radar guided missiles and stand-off munitions.

4. Surveillance: Pods,Caravan,A109,Vulture UAVS can do fill this role.

Dude, if jet fighters with recce/targeting pods, and drones with cameras are ISTAR aircraft, why are countries like USA that have thousands of jet fighters with recce/targeting pods, and thousands of drones/UAV, still buying hundreds of ISTAR aircraft like Nigerian Beechcraft?

Simple answer, jets and drones are NOT dedicated ISTAR aircraft. Your drone cannot make judgement based on what it sees, it has no pilot viewing the area, your jets are too fast for stall near speed slow maneuver over area and do loiter on station for 10 hours.

Compare...

Surveillance- Identification of small 6 foot size objects- SAAF Seeker drone 5km range ....NAF Beechcraft Aeroplane 80km range

Range- SAAF Seeker Drone 200km.....NAF Beechcraft Aeroplane 5,000km

Equipment payload- SAAF Seeker 100 pounds....NAF Beechcraft Aeroplane 3,000 pounds


What kind of operational equipment multi-functions will 100 pounds do for South Africa in warfare when Nigeria is having 3,000 pounds?

Drones are point/short range surveillance unmanned aircraft with very limited capabilities, NOT an ISTAR. Why don't you carry your drone to the oceans of South Africa and let it work as maritime patrol aircraft instead of the Dakota aircraft?

Drones of SAAF carry no EW or ECM payloads like Nigerian Beechcraft, dude a Drone is not an electronic intelligence aircraft, ALL YOUR DRONES HAVE NO RADAR !!!!! Fool

SANDF/SAAF is forever 66 years behind NAF/NA in ISTAR warfare

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MikeZA:

Oh sorry!!!! I meant three pictures change everything.

Carl Zeiss optronics Argos 410-Z.

Nothing changed dude, that optronics is NOT a radar, it is just a camera like you have on a drone

The fvcking South African Cessna 'World War II vintage toy aircraft' you posted in photo below....LOL...that bump-like box under it's belly is NOT a radar, it is a box for carrying extra travel luggage for it's passengers....Fool

Nigerian Beechcraft carries a radar under belly with 80km search range....66 years ahead of South Africa

Now go home suck your thumb and cry to mummy because Nigerians b.eat y.ou up

Henry120: This is the most advanced ISR platform in SSA.

I just feel like spanking her A$s.

"Damn girl, you got a bright future behind you".

@Henry my boss, na de message una send me I dey deliver o ! I checked out African ISTAR capabilities.

Not only in Sub-Saharan Africa, Egypt's air force flies 1973 model E-2C Hawkeye ECM aircraft and upgraded far back 2008. Nigerian air force is the only country in the whole of Africa flying a 2013 ELINT EW ATR-42 aircraft, we are the most advanced ISTAR force in the whole of Africa from Cape town to Cairo, no other military can fight an ISTAR war with Nigeria.

PHOTOS :

POWERFUL YEAR 2010 VERSION NIGERIAN AIR FORCE BEECHCRAFT ISTAR AIRCRAFT THAT WILL WHITEWASH SOUTH AFRICAN MILITARY....NOTICE THE RADAR UNDER IT'S BELLY





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AugustineAgain:

Patches, I am just being nice to you by trying to save your life. It will dangerously increase your high blood pressure to sphygmomanometer bursting levels if I post comments/sources where South African air force chief admitted your SANDF/SAAF is 60 years, in fact 66 years behind Nigerian air force ISTAR capabilities...

O really? So this just another one of the long list of things that you claim have been said but can never prove?

Well, I have a source from Air Chief Marshal Alex Sabundu Badeh that says the Nigerian army is 100 years behind the SANDF. I wont post it though because I am concerned about your health.

You filthy liar

AugustineAgain:





Gripen is an air superiority jet fighter, NOT an ISTAR aircraft,



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The Gripen is multi-role and has superior ground search radar.

Add the targetting and recon pods and it fullfills all the duties of ISTAR

South Africa has also got numerous other ISTAR assets (helo's, drones and other planes).

Yet again, Augugbgugugu thinks that one single asset can beat a comprehensive system of assets

AugustineAgain:

Nigeria just bought F-7NI jets and final delivery was just year 2010, we bought them with 20 live combat PL-9C missiles and 10 dud training PL-9C missiles....we go regular joint combat training with the world experienced Pakistani air force, so what do you think we do with our training missiles?

South Africa has NO training missiles for its Gripen jets, so if you ever fire any missile in training, it will reduce your only 25 IRIS-T missiles to how many...15 missiles ? Nigeria has more missiles than South Africa, we have 20 PL-9C and over 100 PL-5/Atoll missiles for our F-7 jets.

South African air force has one of the worst missile shortages in the world

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Nigeria only has 4 operational F-7NI's

Nigeria has the worlds worst jet shortage in the world.

AugustineAgain:

With Nigerian F-7NI jet escorts, our Beechcraft 350 are all safe in the air.

We don't even need to fly over SANDF side of battle line, with 80km air to ground spy radar range NAF Beechcraft will be flying safely 40km deep inside Nigerian side of the battlefield and yet it is targeting ALL South African military positions on the other side of the battle line, to direct our artillery fire to wipe out the whole SANDF in one day.

This is why American army and air force ordered more units of Nigeria's Beechcraft 350 type....weapons of the masters.

South Africa is 66 years behind Nigeria in ISTAR warfare

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With Nigerian F-7NI jet escorts, our Beechcraft 350 are all safe in the air.

No, Gripen can easily kill your 4 F-7NI's

We don't even need to fly over SANDF side of battle line, with 80km air to ground spy radar range NAF Beechcraft will be flying safely 40km deep inside Nigerian side of the battlefield

If it is within 800km of a Gripen it is not safe.

South Africa is 66 years behind Nigeria in ISTAR warfare

Telling the same lie over and over wont make it true

AugustineAgain:

Last time I checked, it is South Africa that has terrible military manpower shortages

Oh ! and the last time I checked this too, it is South Africa that cancelled new weapons purchases and is retrenching soldiers for lack of money

SANDF is the victim

Last time I checked, it is South Africa that has terrible military manpower shortages

Wrong

Oh ! and the last time I checked this too, it is South Africa that cancelled new weapons purchases and is retrenching soldiers for lack of money

1. No soldiers have been retrenched
2. No weapons orders have been cancelled

Its budget speech time in South Africa, they say those things so that Government knows to spend more on them

AugustineAgain:

Nigeria has BOTH land based and airborne ISTAR vehicles and aircraft, the most sophisticated in Africa. I won't repeat that our long list again today.

South Africa has ZERO airborne ISTAR capability...SANDF is 66 years behind Nigeria in ISTAR warfare.

Eat the humble pie 3 square meals a day

South Africa has ZERO airborne ISTAR capability

The Gripen, Vulture, DAK's, Augusta, Cessna 208s want a word with you

SANDF is 66 years behind Nigeria in ISTAR warfare.

Lol, every time you post that you undermine your credibility more and more

AugustineAgain:

No dummy, that is a Jet Fighter pod, NOT an ISTAR aircraft with powerful electronics loaded outside aircraft, inside cockpit, and inside cargo space cabin all packed full. South Africa has NO single ISTAR aircraft in this world...that's why your air force chief is crying for a chance to buy Nigerian type of Beechcraft ISTAR spy master...SAAF is 66 years behind NAF, and you have no money to buy any ISTAR planes for many years to come

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Gripen is brimming with ISTAR

With the Digital Joint Reconnaissance Pod, Litening III targeting pod, Ground search radar and Infra-red

Do you even know what a Gripen is?

AugustineAgain:

Bwahahahaha

Desperado Logumba

EW, ECM, ECCM and ESM warfare are not the same as ISTAR.

F-7 jet can carry targeting pod, recce pod, EW pod, so does that make it an ISTAR aircraft?

Electronic warfare is one thing, but ISTAR is four things combined. Nigerian ATR-42 is an MPA/electronic/ELINT warfare aircraft 100 times better than South African flying coffin Dakota 1957 ancient cucumber shaped aircraft. Did you ever hear me say ATR-42 is an ISTAR platform? Mumu !

SANDF is 66 years behind Nigeria in ISTAR warfare. Swallow extra humble pie.

#Show Us SAAF ISTAR Aircraft

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F-7 jet can carry targeting pod, recce pod, EW pod, so does that make it an ISTAR aircraft?

Nigeria has none of those things so thats irrelevant

#Show Us SAAF ISTAR Aircraft

1. #LearnHowToHashtagGrandpa
2. We already have

AugustineAgain:

Can your toy Soweto drones fly range 5,000 km distance, fly altitude 10 km high, spy on target with radar 80 km away safe from enemy air defense, carry different types of multi-role ISTAR equipment load of heavy weight 3,000 pounds ?

It will take you 66 years to understand the meaning of ISTAR capability because that is how far your South Africa is crawling like a snail behind Nigeria, 66 years behind us

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Can your toy Soweto drones fly range 5,000 km distance, fly altitude 10 km high, spy on target with radar 80 km away safe from enemy air defense, carry different types of multi-role ISTAR equipment load of heavy weight 3,000 pounds ?

HAHAHAHAHA!!

He admits defeat by moving the goal-posts!!

It will take you 66 years to understand the meaning of ISTAR capability because that is how far your South Africa is crawling like a snail behind Nigeria, 66 years behind us

I love how you throw around made up numbers. Shame, it must be sad to be you.