Nuzo1:
Even with the scrapping, they had no replacement for the "developing countries" which still makes it very much in use in other international settings.

ezeagu:


Just completely pointless.

ezeagu:


That's not really how language works. Nobody would seriously call Switzerland a second or third world country and that's because the language has moved from the cold war era, western for example doesn't mean white or developed, it's based on the values and the culture of western Europe especially, which is why the US is a western country and Japan is never considered as such, Jamaica with a predominantly African-descended population is a western country. Another example is how UK is also called Britain even though parts of it are not on the island of Britain. The original definition of western is archaic although the current term is based on it. The same evolution has happened for first, second, third world which are used to signify the advantages and disadvantages, exploitation and power structure of world economies.

Ikengawo:


this statement has a lot of inaccuracies and they're hard to address on one go. The UK is often called Britain, but this is wrong. It's like how a lot of people in Nigeria call Chinese ppl white. Or how they call Petroleum Jelly Vaseline. That doesn't make them white and doesn't make petroleum jelly vaseline. Inaccuracies are common for everyone, but that doesn't make them right. this isn't evolution, it's just a common misconception.


The US is a western country because culturally it's an extension of the UK and is dominated by anglo saxons who choose to call it a western country.

Nuzo1:


You used "third world" to define economically backward nations. But in the real sense, it means non allied nations during the ww2.

While I used "developing countries". Which was recently scrapped by world Bank for clearer classifications and replaced with NOTHING. And you have the guts to say it's pointless?

What exactly are you preaching against on this thread? Ignorance right?

ezeagu:


Cuba is a western country. People in Northern Ireland call themselves British, that's the official term for a UK citizen. 20+ years after the cold war, Switzerland cannot be called a second or third world country.

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The terms don't matter, the decayed infrastructure does. You can cycle through hundreds of terms, they will still ring the same as a third world country because that's the position you're in when your passport can hardly get you anywhere while others glide through borders.

ezeagu:
There seems to be a string of threads about which Nigerian geopolitical zone is the most developed. This isn't just strange since (black) Africa is being fingered on all sides by Arabs, China, India, and a whole line of foreigners, but mostly because Nigeria is a huge crumbling third world slum, yes, all of it, yes, even VI, Victoria Island does not have the infrastructure and planning of a low income neighbourhood in the Netherlands, what it has is very big and overpriced houses...

So I'm wondering, ethnic masturbation aside, is it not very ridiculous and embarrassing to compare regions of a very backward state, for example, for people who have dignity and are generally aware of global standards for cities and infrastructure (including foreigners who lurk here), is it not a form of self humiliation?

MayorofLagos:


Shut up there!
VI, Ikoyi, Apapa, Ikeja, these places have far better amenities than some places abroad. There are streets in these areas you enter and forget you are in Africa.

Ibos brought disorderliness and turned these places to ghettoes.

Go and see pictures of even old Falomo before Ibos turned it into mini Aba.

Nonsense! Maybe people should not compare but to say VI is less than a low income place in Netherlands is f00lish. Thats the side of VI you met after it was ruined by your kins displaced from East.

ezeagu:


You're using the whole ethnic thing to distract yourself from the mediocrity of Nigeria's infrastructure, Lagos in this case, and that's mediocrity at best because Lagos and the rest of Nigeria are not seen as anything more than slums in the eyes of the international community. Despite what you wrote, Lagos has never been an international example for any developing city, its best parts are worse than the worst parts of exemplary cities, and you know that. Trying to draw up example of cities from another part of Nigeria which are slums in order to best another slum (Lagos) would be an insult to anybody's intelligence.

MayorofLagos:


There were places in Europe and even America that were still using oil lamp long after Lagos had switched to electricity to light public lamp posts.

While Lagos was running an efficient tramway places in America were still using horse buggyies.

While Lagos had pipe borne water some parts of Europe were still dependent on well water or acquifers.


There is a history of Lagos best told by Lagosian, an indigene whose ancestry is rooted in the lagoon, not those who came to see what a Lagoon look like.

Lagos was already using cablegram to communicate messages while certaain cities and even countries in Europe were using horse dispatchers to carry messages.

ezeagu:

The terms don't matter, the decayed infrastructure does. You can cycle through hundreds of terms, they will still ring the same as a third world country because that's the position you're in when your passport can hardly get you anywhere while others glide through borders.

MayorofLagos:


There were places in Europe and even America that were still using oil lamp long after Lagos had switched to electricity to light public lamp posts.

While Lagos was running an efficient tramway places in America were still using horse buggyies.

While Lagos had pipe borne water some parts of Europe were still dependent on well water or acquifers.


There is a history of Lagos best told by Lagosian, an indigene whose ancestry is rooted in the lagoon, not those who came to see what a Lagoon look like.

Lagos was already using cablegram to communicate messages while certaain cities and even countries in Europe were using horse dispatchers to carry messages.

ezeagu:


The experience of black Africans is as shaped primarily by them being seen as black, no matter how that came about. The share of the world's power and resources has pushed certain countries into a lower order, and that's what makes certain countries third world. Nigeria cannot make decisions for the world that Germany can, Germany is in the first world and Nigeria in the third.

ezeagu:


And here you go talking about British colonial infrastructure for European Quarters circa 1910! A time of apartheid when blacks were not allowed into these infrastructures except for elites or house helps. Too bad.



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Duru1:


It appears you have gone knee deep in the sea of ignorance with the use of the word - "Black" for human. Again, color is not human. I still cannot fathom the intellect that instigates you to refer or identify human beings with color. By the way, how many shades of color do human beings have on earth? It is unfortunate that those who tend to get twisted out of human form due to slavery are the same people who gladly embraced the derogatory words for human that flowed straight from insidious acts of slavery. It is a mark of deliberate idiocy to refer or identify human being with color. From your posts, it is safe to say you cannot do better than those Africans you seemed to castigate.

MayorofLagos:


Isnt that what every edifice of our public space is....some legacy left by colonials or copied from the works of ex-colonials? Which one is original or authentic to Africa? None!

The City of Lagos, in its glory, was a model for most even in Europe and America. There are postcards that exist till today in private hands in Europe, showcasing the beauty and aesthetics of Lagos and the culture and beauty of the people.

So you are wrong to assert that Lagos was never model for anywhere or that it was never more developed than places in Europe and America.

I wrote a letter not too long ago to the Lagos State House of Assembly complaining about the cultural value of their building to the public space and its zero credits as a designation of endowments. I focused principally on City Hall in Lagos.

When they built the House of Assembly in Ikeja they did a shoddy job and failed in their vision to account for history or the endowment of the structure.

City Hall till today continues to be a landmark of beauty and pride. This is what society should encourage.

Africa generally lack eye for space and aesthetics. All of our works of arts took inspiration from a need to worship a higher authority. We continue to fail to worship one another and the failure permeates into our politics and social interaction. This is all over Africa...in fact all over anywhere you find a black population, including America and the Carribeans.

ezeagu:


Guy, all this yarn and your experience on this earth is still shaped by you being black.