when a place was founded and when it became a city is different. Benin was founded more than a thousand years ago and it started like every other place today. Hamlet to villages then by the 15th century the Portuguese saw it as a city. Even the dutch did same. Even without Electricity they gave her the status of a city and even compared her to Lisbon. Cities have been brought down and rebuilt and i pray we as Edos can build our great city again to a better standard for those who live within her walls of history. Onitsha looks really nice i have been there. Somebody here has posted really nice pics of Ibadan before and it changed my perception because all i was seeing before those pics was brown roofs so even if i still see lots of brown roofs here i know its just a part of the city not the entire Ibadan.
As for the Lagos matter we all know where we stand na....we are part of her history and we are happy about that and today Lagos is the future and we will also like to be part of it not as conquerors but rather as countrymen working hand in hand for a better future for our cities and people in Nigeria....

ritababe:


yeah I know there were people there including Bini people too, do you think they will allow Bini to annex them if they weren't been ruled by a Bini man?

The inhabitants of the classical/ancient lagos period before the bini came were the aworis.

What if I told you Oranmiyan son of Oduduwa name the nation bini, became the first "Oba" and the dynasty?

IS BORNU A CITY?

ValUlasi:
Issue of being the first to see civilisation has been laid to rest on this thread. Now do you still have a reason why you have brown rusted roofs and mud houses?

Those kinda houses full Onitsha Aba and some SE cities before but because the Igbos has a legacy of maintaining their properties time to time you won't notice it much.

tintingz:
The inhabitants of the classical/ancient lagos period before the bini came were the aworis.

What if I told you Oranmiyan son of Oduduwa name the nation bini, became the first "Oba" and the dynasty?

yeah I know that, and where do you think oduduwa come from?

YourMrBoo:


Yoruba mums where found with dangling sagging breast and unshaved bushy penna in 1906

Go read the history of the Ojukus here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people
Stroll down and look at those igbo girls in 1921.And before I forget,how are your teeth?

poseidon12:


Not really. Lagos belongs to the Bini.

DELUSION?

http://punchng.com/ownership-of-lagos-between-distortion-and-obvious-facts/

Irrespective of the position taken, there are some facts that are sacrosanct and should be linearly preserved. It is obvious and clear that one major reason for conquering people is to take their land and properties. If truly the Bini conquered Eko, how come there is no land in the entire Eko that belongs to the Bini?

tintingz:
The article said "mordern day Lagos" was founded by bini, you should know there were people living in Lagos before the bini people came and conquer, they are the aworis.

Cc ozila

http://punchng.com/ownership-of-lagos-between-distortion-and-obvious-facts/


The recent interviews granted by two prominent indigenes of Lagos, namely, Alhaji Olufemi Okunnu and Chief Layi Ajayi Bembe, to one of the main newspapers in Nigeria on the question of “Who owns Lagos?” should have been restricted to the plethora of injustices and unfairness done to the indigenous people of Lagos rather than on landlord-ship.

For avoidance of doubt, Alhaji Okunnu, an Isale Eko indigene, was the former Nigerian Commissioner for Works and the husband of Alhaja Lateefa Okunnu (Née Oyekan), a former Deputy Governor of Lagos State. He is Awori. Chief Bembe on the other hand is of the Obanikoro family whose ancestral root is undoubtedly Benin with its tinge of Awori lineage.. Readers would then understand the reason for the position of each of these men on one of the most vexed issues of our time.



Ordinarily, in such a tricky situation, one should have allowed each person to hold on to the advantages secured from the argument knowing that those who require more information and knowledge can have unhindered access to history books that would place the facts in perspective. Unfortunately, such a compendium is a luxury in our environment and therefore, people stand history on its head for personal convenience and ego boosting. Every human being is a sculptor of history and people who have advantage are those who could place their documents within the arm’s reach of the world and humanity. However, prosperity will frown upon us if we look on while facts are slaughtered or remodelled into a shape that may mislead the generations of Nigerians yet unborn.

“Who owns Lagos?.” The question is “Which Lagos?” because the ownership of Eko has never been in contention. It is very clear that none of these men was talking about Lagos State but it is also abundantly clear that there is some muddling in their presentations with respect to the clear distinction between Eko, Lagos and Lagos State. An indigene of Lagos should not be found in this shaky ground anytime the issue of our state is placed on the podium for discourse. Therefore, the starting point is to resort to spatial delineation of these territories on the map of Lagos State for the clear comprehension of the reader.

In nomenclature, non-indigenes are usually unable to know the difference between Eko, Lagos and Lagos State. For comprehension, Eko, the domain in which Oba Rilwan Aremu Akiolu is the traditional head belongs to Aromire. It is the space from Obalende to Idumota (that is Lagos Island). This is different from Lagos which starts from Victoria Island, Lagos Island (Eko), Lagos Mainland up to Jibowu, Apapa, Surulere up to Akangba. This was the Federal Capital Territory of Nigeria. Lagos State, on the other hand, consists of the entire Lagos and its colonies of Badagry, Epe, Ikeja and Ikorodu. From the interviews, it seems the concentration of Alhaji Okunnu and Chief Bembe are on Lagos Island, that is, Eko, to the exclusion of other parts of Lagos State.


There is hardly anyone who is conversant with the history of Lagos Island that would feign ignorance on the fact that Lagos Island belongs to Aromire, who is one of the children of Olofin Ogunfunminire, the progenitor of the Awori nation. The Yoruba say, “Bi omode k oba Itan, yiobaaroba. Aroba de ni baba Itan”, therefore, anyone trying to reconstruct history must also bear in mind that beyond the textbooks are the oral history handed over to us by our forefathers. In the regard, one may want to listen to the musical records of Salami Balogun of Gbara Village, that is, Lefty. He says,

“Aromire loniile Eko o -2ce

A be’jaro mi re 2ce

Awonni baba awa o

Aromire lo niile Eko o.



Attempts in contemporary times to reconstruct the history of the Yoruba and the Benin Empires have led to a series of distortions most of which contradict empirical evidences that lay bare in front of our generation. The only point of agreement in the hot debates over the years is that the two nations have the same root but whether the fruit was planted in Benin or Ife has been contentious. Irrespective of the position taken, there are some facts that are sacrosanct and should be linearly preserved. It is obvious and clear that one major reason for conquering people is to take their land and properties. If truly the Bini conquered Eko, how come there is no land in the entire Eko that belongs to the Bini? This issue was settled in 1920 when Chief Amodu Tijani, the Oluwa of Lagos, took the British colonialists to the Privy Council in London. Hence, today, there is no contest on who the landlord is on the land in Lagos (not Lagos State). The legitimate ownership of Lagos Land is vested in the Idejo who are the offspring of Olofin Ogunfunminire and not the Bini. Anyone who cares, can read the landmark judgement delivered at the Privy Council in London in 1921.

History revealed that Olofin Ogunfunminire, the progenitor of the Awori and the father of the Idejo, came from Ile Ife to settle in Isheri Olofin (a small town along the Lagos Ibadan Expressway) with his two wives, Akesan and Ajayi. While Akesan was procreating, Ajayi was barren. On consultation, Ifa advised Olofin to move with Ajayi to the edge of a river. The couple consequently settled in Oto (at the back of the Ido Railway Terminus)

One day, the Bini invaded Oto and took Olofin to Benin. On arrival in the palace in Bini, it was discovered that Olofin was a Prince of Ife and was consequently released to come back to Lagos with a retinue of Bini Chiefs which included Obanikoro (Chief Ajayi Bembe’s Lineage); Bajulaiye, Ashogbon and others as clearly outlined in Alhaji Okunnu’s interview.

History had it that the guests of Olofinwere, on arrival, settled on the pepper farm of the Aromire . Hence, the name “Idungaran”

While one may not want to get too entrenched in the controversy of the explosive discourse, it won’t be out of place to also mention that the word “Idu” may not necessarily be of Benin origin because apart from shared vocabulary between the Yoruba and the Bini, the settlement or any place in which a Yoruba community settles is called “Iduro, Idu or Ido” depending on the tongue.

To conclude that Awori are of Bini origin is far too incorrect to be ignored because the Awori are in umbilicus and plasma of the Yoruba lineage and therefore migrated from Ile Ife. I have addressed some of this issues in the book titled, “The Ojikutu family of Lagos”. The painstaking and comprehensive research traced the movement of the first Prince Obayomi from Isheri Olofin in 1790 to Lagos Island and how the great grandchild of Obayomi, namely, Amodu Rufai Ibikunle, acquired the appellate Ojikutu

Because of his entrepreneurial acumen, wealth and influence.

There is of course no variation in our positions on the annihilation and suppression of the right of the indigenous people of Lagos State. The sad part of it is that governments upon governments in Lagos State with the connivance of some indigenes and pseudo indigenes have employed the style of cracking the walls of the homes of the indigenes rather than fence-mending the obvious disaffection that is created every day. In this regard, I do not see the difference in the style of the governors towards the rights of the indigenes in the state, irrespective of whether the administrator is the “Son of the soil’ or not. The attitude is the same. The most disappointing of all of them was Babatunde Raji Fashola, a young man who by virtue of his intellectual endowment should have done better but whose love for his people was beclouded by pecuniary considerations. I still hold him in high regard in view of his contributions to the development of Lagos but I do not think many of us will forgive him for failing us in view of our high aspiration.

Prof Ojikutu wrote in from University of Lagos, Akoka

ritababe:


yeah I know that, and where do you think oduduwa come from?

The origin of Oduduwa is not certainly known, his history is not accurate, some said he came from Mecca, some said from Ekiti, some said from Igala, some said from Edo, some said Egypt, some said Ethiopia, some said from the sky that the God Olorun sent him.

Since Oduduwa doesn't have sufficient historical fact/evidence to backup his origin, I see him as a mythical figurehead, it seems people developed stories about Oduduwa for thier self-interest for power and superiority, there might be a figure-person of Oduduwa no doubt but as a rational thinker I go with evidence not sentiments.

So when you ask where does Oduduwa came from, my answer is I don't know as his origin is not certainly known just some coçk-and-bull stories.

Uglyojuku:


http://punchng.com/ownership-of-lagos-between-distortion-and-obvious-facts/


The recent interviews granted by two prominent indigenes of Lagos, namely, Alhaji Olufemi Okunnu and Chief Layi Ajayi Bembe, to one of the main newspapers in Nigeria on the question of “Who owns Lagos?” should have been restricted to the plethora of injustices and unfairness done to the indigenous people of Lagos rather than on landlord-ship.

For avoidance of doubt, Alhaji Okunnu, an Isale Eko indigene, was the former Nigerian Commissioner for Works and the husband of Alhaja Lateefa Okunnu (Née Oyekan), a former Deputy Governor of Lagos State. He is Awori. Chief Bembe on the other hand is of the Obanikoro family whose ancestral root is undoubtedly Benin with its tinge of Awori lineage.. Readers would then understand the reason for the position of each of these men on one of the most vexed issues of our time.



Ordinarily, in such a tricky situation, one should have allowed each person to hold on to the advantages secured from the argument knowing that those who require more information and knowledge can have unhindered access to history books that would place the facts in perspective. Unfortunately, such a compendium is a luxury in our environment and therefore, people stand history on its head for personal convenience and ego boosting. Every human being is a sculptor of history and people who have advantage are those who could place their documents within the arm’s reach of the world and humanity. However, prosperity will frown upon us if we look on while facts are slaughtered or remodelled into a shape that may mislead the generations of Nigerians yet unborn.

“Who owns Lagos?.” The question is “Which Lagos?” because the ownership of Eko has never been in contention. It is very clear that none of these men was talking about Lagos State but it is also abundantly clear that there is some muddling in their presentations with respect to the clear distinction between Eko, Lagos and Lagos State. An indigene of Lagos should not be found in this shaky ground anytime the issue of our state is placed on the podium for discourse. Therefore, the starting point is to resort to spatial delineation of these territories on the map of Lagos State for the clear comprehension of the reader.

In nomenclature, non-indigenes are usually unable to know the difference between Eko, Lagos and Lagos State. For comprehension, Eko, the domain in which Oba Rilwan Aremu Akiolu is the traditional head belongs to Aromire. It is the space from Obalende to Idumota (that is Lagos Island). This is different from Lagos which starts from Victoria Island, Lagos Island (Eko), Lagos Mainland up to Jibowu, Apapa, Surulere up to Akangba. This was the Federal Capital Territory of Nigeria. Lagos State, on the other hand, consists of the entire Lagos and its colonies of Badagry, Epe, Ikeja and Ikorodu. From the interviews, it seems the concentration of Alhaji Okunnu and Chief Bembe are on Lagos Island, that is, Eko, to the exclusion of other parts of Lagos State.


There is hardly anyone who is conversant with the history of Lagos Island that would feign ignorance on the fact that Lagos Island belongs to Aromire, who is one of the children of Olofin Ogunfunminire, the progenitor of the Awori nation. The Yoruba say, “Bi omode k oba Itan, yiobaaroba. Aroba de ni baba Itan”, therefore, anyone trying to reconstruct history must also bear in mind that beyond the textbooks are the oral history handed over to us by our forefathers. In the regard, one may want to listen to the musical records of Salami Balogun of Gbara Village, that is, Lefty. He says,

“Aromire loniile Eko o -2ce

A be’jaro mi re 2ce

Awonni baba awa o

Aromire lo niile Eko o.



Attempts in contemporary times to reconstruct the history of the Yoruba and the Benin Empires have led to a series of distortions most of which contradict empirical evidences that lay bare in front of our generation. The only point of agreement in the hot debates over the years is that the two nations have the same root but whether the fruit was planted in Benin or Ife has been contentious. Irrespective of the position taken, there are some facts that are sacrosanct and should be linearly preserved. It is obvious and clear that one major reason for conquering people is to take their land and properties. If truly the Bini conquered Eko, how come there is no land in the entire Eko that belongs to the Bini? This issue was settled in 1920 when Chief Amodu Tijani, the Oluwa of Lagos, took the British colonialists to the Privy Council in London. Hence, today, there is no contest on who the landlord is on the land in Lagos (not Lagos State). The legitimate ownership of Lagos Land is vested in the Idejo who are the offspring of Olofin Ogunfunminire and not the Bini. Anyone who cares, can read the landmark judgement delivered at the Privy Council in London in 1921.

History revealed that Olofin Ogunfunminire, the progenitor of the Awori and the father of the Idejo, came from Ile Ife to settle in Isheri Olofin (a small town along the Lagos Ibadan Expressway) with his two wives, Akesan and Ajayi. While Akesan was procreating, Ajayi was barren. On consultation, Ifa advised Olofin to move with Ajayi to the edge of a river. The couple consequently settled in Oto (at the back of the Ido Railway Terminus)

One day, the Bini invaded Oto and took Olofin to Benin. On arrival in the palace in Bini, it was discovered that Olofin was a Prince of Ife and was consequently released to come back to Lagos with a retinue of Bini Chiefs which included Obanikoro (Chief Ajayi Bembe’s Lineage); Bajulaiye, Ashogbon and others as clearly outlined in Alhaji Okunnu’s interview.

History had it that the guests of Olofinwere, on arrival, settled on the pepper farm of the Aromire . Hence, the name “Idungaran”

While one may not want to get too entrenched in the controversy of the explosive discourse, it won’t be out of place to also mention that the word “Idu” may not necessarily be of Benin origin because apart from shared vocabulary between the Yoruba and the Bini, the settlement or any place in which a Yoruba community settles is called “Iduro, Idu or Ido” depending on the tongue.

To conclude that Awori are of Bini origin is far too incorrect to be ignored because the Awori are in umbilicus and plasma of the Yoruba lineage and therefore migrated from Ile Ife. I have addressed some of this issues in the book titled, “The Ojikutu family of Lagos”. The painstaking and comprehensive research traced the movement of the first Prince Obayomi from Isheri Olofin in 1790 to Lagos Island and how the great grandchild of Obayomi, namely, Amodu Rufai Ibikunle, acquired the appellate Ojikutu

Because of his entrepreneurial acumen, wealth and influence.

There is of course no variation in our positions on the annihilation and suppression of the right of the indigenous people of Lagos State. The sad part of it is that governments upon governments in Lagos State with the connivance of some indigenes and pseudo indigenes have employed the style of cracking the walls of the homes of the indigenes rather than fence-mending the obvious disaffection that is created every day. In this regard, I do not see the difference in the style of the governors towards the rights of the indigenes in the state, irrespective of whether the administrator is the “Son of the soil’ or not. The attitude is the same. The most disappointing of all of them was Babatunde Raji Fashola, a young man who by virtue of his intellectual endowment should have done better but whose love for his people was beclouded by pecuniary considerations. I still hold him in high regard in view of his contributions to the development of Lagos but I do not think many of us will forgive him for failing us in view of our high aspiration.

Prof Ojikutu wrote in from University of Lagos, Akoka

Thank you for this article.

tintingz:
The origin of Oduduwa is not certainly known, his history is not accurate, some said he came from Mecca, some said from Ekiti, some said from Igala, some said from Edo, some said Egypt, some said Ethiopia, some said from the sky that the God Olorun sent him.

Since Oduduwa doesn't have sufficient historical fact/evidence to backup his origin, I see him as a mythical figurehead, it seems people developed stories about Oduduwa for thier self-interest for power and superiority, there is a figure-person of Oduduwa no doubt but as a rational thinker I go with evidence not sentiments.

So when you ask where does Oduduwa came from, my answer is I don't know as his origin is not certainly known just some coçk-and-bull story.

my friend you are not fair and you are trying to divert from the truth which you and I Know, Oduduwa was a banish Prince from Bini, or you think anybody will just come and give the name Bini without having Bini heritage?

greiboy:
op lies will kill you
why did you twist lagos history

don't mind him osu work.

ozila:
so Benin is the oldest city and even and the founder of lagos

lie.

ritababe:



my friend you are not fair and you are trying to divert from the truth which you and I Know, Oduduwa was a banish Prince from Bini, or you think anybody will just come and give the name Bini without having Bini heritage?

From what I read from history, bini was formerly known as Ile-ibinu which is a Yoruba word, the word(ile-ibinu) later corrupted to "bini" by a latter oba.

What I don't know is if Oduduwa was an indigene of bini or he came there and settled there and left(there's no sufficient evidence to back it up), but all I know is ile-ife and bini had political tied.

Lagos is a NO MAN'S LAND.

Because of his entrepreneurial acumen, wealth and influence.

tintingz:
From what I read from history, bini was formerly known as Ile-ibinu which is a Yoruba word, the word(ile-ibinu) later corrupted to "bini" by a latter oba.

What I don't know is if Oduduwa was an indigene of bini or he came there and settled there and left(there's no sufficient evidence to back it up), but all I know is ile-ife and bini had political tied.

any source or evidence I can see to believe?

post=62896191:

Can you show where low earners live in Ibadan

Onitsha, mind you Onitsha is older than Ibadan

lie lie

Igbos are really craze see as they post old ibadan pictures every where n fake ibadan year but for lagos the benin know that they are not the owner that they are migrants because aworis are there befor they arive.

ritababe:



any source or evidence I can see to believe?

Here is what I found,

All this made Oranmiyan declare that only a son of the soil can cope with the attitude of the Igodomigodo people and call the land "Ile - Ibinu", meaning Land of Vexation. On leaving Ile-Ibinu (later Ibini, and corrupted to "Benin" by the Portuguese), he stopped briefly at Ego where he had an affair with Erinwide, the daughter of the enogie or duke. Eweka I was the result of this affair but Oranmiyan was by now never to return to Benin. Oranmiyan, or Oromiyan as pronounced by the Bini, is recognized as the first Oba of Benin
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oranyan

After some years residence here he called a meeting of the people and renounced his office, remarking that the country was a land of vexation, Ile-Ibinu Yoruba words (by which name the country was afterward known) and that only a child born, trained and educated in the arts and mysteries of the land could reign over the people.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benin_Empire

How Ile-ife and bini came to be is not certainly known yet, Lagos was never founded by the binis(maybe mordern Lagos), the aworis were the inhabitants of Lagos before the binis came as a result of war.

ritababe:


yeah I know that, and where do you think oduduwa come from?

That is not your concern benins are from Ife.

Uglyojuku:

Go read the history of the Ojukus here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_people
Stroll down and look at those igbo girls in 1921.And before I forget,how are your teeth?

I know you've really wanted off enough to behold such beauties on their chest... This can't be said of your mommas who have sagged breast and bushy gappy hole in between their legs.. Oh I forgot my teeth are fine

YourMrBoo:


I know you've really wanted off enough to behold such beauties on their chest... This can't be said of your mommas who have sagged breast and bushy gappy hole in between their legs.. Oh I forgot my teeth are fine

So Igbos were found na.ked in 1921 with hanging totori?

YourMrBoo:


I know you've really wanted off enough to behold such beauties on their chest... This can't be said of your mommas who have sagged breast and bushy gappy hole in between their legs.. Oh I forgot my teeth are fine

So Igbos were found na.ked in 1921 with dangling totori?

ONLY IBADAN DUSTS ALL IGBOLAND

IBADAN SLAYING IGBOLAND WITHOUT ANY ASSISTANCE

IBADAN

IBADAN SLAYS

nnokwa042:
pls stop that dusty brown roof without toilets ,ve u been to Rome? Rome is more than 3500 years old go see things for ur self,no Austrian cow can even stay in this Ibadan brown roof

there is no point arguing with a tribalist suffering from mental epilepsy.