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Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by Nigeriadondie: 7:34pm On Dec 07, 2017 |
suavetony:Show us where in the Bible Mary and saints intercede for us. |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by suavetony(m): 4:24am On Dec 08, 2017 |
Nigeriadondie: 2Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter. Not everything is in the Bible, some traditions are handed down from one generation to the next. On Intercession of Mary, a good example is the wedding at Cana in Galilee. Those people did not go to Jesus directly to tell him we've no wine, they passed through His Mother. On Intercession of Saints...Matthew 22:31-32 And as for the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was said to you by God, ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not God of the dead, but of the living.” We Catholics ask for intercession of the Saints same way Jesus called Our Creator The God of Abraham...There is nothing wrong calling upon those who died in Christ. 1 Like |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by Themandator: 8:50am On Dec 08, 2017 |
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Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by Themandator: 8:54am On Dec 08, 2017 |
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Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by Themandator: 9:06am On Dec 08, 2017 |
suavetony: Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word .... Faith is not abstract. It must be based on what God said. The scripture is God's store of knowledge for a triumphant living ... The word is Jesus Christ according the book of John ... Believing Jesus means believing the word and nothing else..... God of Abraham is referring to the God, Jehovah, it has nothing to do with intercessory prayer of or from Abraham, himself ... Anybody saint not living here on the earth cannot pray or inferred for you or anyone. .... The story of the rich fool makes this very clear. ... There are many down there, if your family people can't listen to them then they are joining you in hell If that Mary promised to be with every catholic then she must have replaced one of the members of the trinity to have that omnipresence for only the members of the trinity.... God the father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit has the omnipresence to be every where at the same time ... Not even spirit or the angels can be present in two places at the same time ...So is she going to be with anyone and everyone at the same time ...There is no where the Bible made allusion to Mary omnipresence. As for her Immaculate heart leading you guys to God ..That is in contradiction to the scripture. There is only one access to the Almighty and he is Jesus Christ. I am the way the truth and the life NO ONE cometh to the father but by me .. so how is Mary now going to lead you to God when this was not contemplated by the scripture. For her to have an immaculate heart means the Bible wasn't correct when it stated that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God ... May therefore , didn't sin and didn't have a share of the sin of disobedience of Adams which was essentially the reason for Christ coming ...To pay for it so we all can return and access God. Sacrifice of ourselves is pure fallacy as the only sacrifice necessary and able to remit sin is the one done by Jesus Christ. There is no sacrifice from us that can pay for our sins because to be an acceptable sacrifice for the remission of sin you have to be spotless ..Let your sin ..You can be with sin and be paying for sin....That is the reason before Jesus paid the ultimate, the Jews used to do it by spotless lambs ... You already have a spot and therefore incapable of being a solution and we only sin against God and never Mary. You can't find sin against Mary in your Bible ... Only you have I sinned against ... The how to pray taught by our very Lord Jesus even made it clear ...Forgive us our sins. Firstly, there is nothing like graces necessary for salvation. The grace for salvation is the grace for salvation..It is not graces and you can't find graces in the scripture ...The grace to accept and believe what Jesus Christ did on the cross ...No other graces is necessary for salvation but to accept the gift as it is offered ...No works can pay the price ... Nobody is insulting Mary who is having a swell time in heaven but the woman who parades the earth with a little boy by her side who when he speaks always ask that you listen to the woman is not the actual Mary that gave birth to jesus. He did an imposter ... The woman that is riding the beast in the book of Rev 17 and 18 She succeeds in imposing herself on the church of Rome and making statement that Mary the mother of Jesus Christ never made while on the earth .... Virtually every of her statement contradict the scripture. ..In one of her appearances , she stated that very one worships God in his own way! with peace in the heart ,.,that is the peace of the world .... Everyone can't worship the true God in their own way .... Otherwise, there is no difference between the God of the christians and the god of the Hindu temple.... Jesus Christ is the distinguishing factor in the God of the christians.... Where he is not mentioned and lavishly too is not a Christian gathering. No amount of good will make anyone smell heaven. If good is enough then Jesus death is not necessary because so many are doing good with foundations and charity organisations. Doing good is a fruit or proof of your godliness as a Christian because God is good but good is not God. And for your comment on gates of hell I would have you consider history. The catholic church burnt christians at the stake for having the Bible and not for being pagans but just having the Bible ...It made the Bible a banned time that had to be smuggled like drugs of today ....A pope actually re wrote the bible before he was forcefully removed and a process of recalling his Bible was commenced by the catholic church. A copy of his version is still Ina museums till today. ... Read about Martin Luther, a fellow catholic |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by Investnow2017: 11:36am On Dec 08, 2017 |
suavetony: My Dear, you are very, very wrong to say the bolded above, that not everything is in the Bible. Read below what God himself who inspired the Bible said to SEAL HIS WORD: “I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things,+ God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll;+ 19 and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life+ and out of the holy city,+ things that are written about in this scroll." Revelation Chapter 22:verses 18 and 19. In case you do not understand what God is there saying, he is simply endorsing the fact that his word is COMPLETE, hence it would be a sin to Add to it or Take away from it. Do you understand now? Yes, there were other things as reported by John that Jesus did, they were not recorded because God did not consider them necessary for our salvation. The traditions and others you mentioned are not inspired utterances, and if anything, they are useless to man. Christ condemned all traditions that conflict with God's inspired will as expressed in his Holy word the Bible. Read Matthew Chapter 15, some are mentioned there and Chapter 6 also. If you must please God in your worship, such worship must be in total harmony with the Bible. That is why God encouraged us all to read his word DAILY in an undertone DAY AND NIGHT - that is regularly. Go to WWW.JW.ORG to read about what God did to preserve his word from being adulterated or obliterated by agents of evil all through the ages. Discard all useless and conflicting traditions and bring your life in total harmony with God's recommended way of worship in order to earn God's favour in the end, John 4:23-24. There is no shortcut to it, and there are no many ways to it, but one. There are only TWO forms of worship in the world - TRUE worship or FALSE, just as Jesus Christ himself said - that there are only TWO ways - the NARROW way and the BROAD way, the Narrow way leads to life while the broad way leas to destruction Matthew 7:13,14. . |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by suavetony(m): 2:40pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
Themandator: By good is being pure in heart...Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God...the beatitudes. I know some recent popes like St. John Paul the second apologized for the past sins of the church...nothing mortal is perfect till is completely immortal. Martin Luther started reformation his own way which made him form his own congregation...Lutherans. It was a good move in a wrong way. When you want to rid a system of what you do not like, you stay and fight not running away...nor denouncing authority of the church. But the most important thing from all these is to love God and your neighbour |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by suavetony(m): 2:50pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
Investnow2017: Part of the tradition I am talking about is the Holy Eucharist...is in the bible but 95% of churches denied the presence of Jesus in the Holy Eucharist. Again, Paul wrote like I said earlier in 2 Thes 2:15 and 2Tim 2:2 to ensure to hand over some of the traditions to credible men. The bible is like a two edge sword...do not read a section to conclude. Jesus addressing his disciple says there are other folds which He must bring back to a single fold with one Shepherd which is Himself. So we should stop belaboring ourselves with churches but strive to live a good life and avoid condemning so we will not be condemned. |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by Investnow2017: 3:44pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
suavetony: It is a pity indeed. |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by Uzyvicks(f): 10:04pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
ollah1:The true Christians dont worship Idol, it's only the false Christians that do that. |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by Nobody: 10:06pm On Dec 08, 2017 |
Uzyvicks: Virtually every church and Christians have images of Jesus. You will find it in churches, cars, homework, officea et al. It's boldly written in the Bible that it shouldn't be done but christians ignored it and continue to do it yet they believe they are the righful and only owner of Heaven. Ok |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by suavetony(m): 5:47am On Dec 09, 2017 |
Investnow2017:Thank you. |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by suavetony(m): 5:47am On Dec 09, 2017 |
Investnow2017:Thank you. |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by suavetony(m): 5:47am On Dec 09, 2017 |
Investnow2017:Thank you. |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by Uzyvicks(f): 10:40am On Dec 09, 2017 |
ollah1:You are right dear, u find that in every churches. But u won't find it in the places of worship where true worshipers of God gather to worship him. You don't see any Idol among them, be it their house, car, place of worship. They don't use images. |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by Nobody: 11:31am On Dec 09, 2017 |
Uzyvicks: It's present in all mega churches in Nigeria, so they aren't true worshippers right? Which in turn makes millions of Nigerian Christians decieve themselves 1 Like |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by Themandator: 8:45am On Dec 11, 2017 |
suavetony: Martin was a marked man . How could he have remained to fight within |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by Themandator: 8:47am On Dec 11, 2017 |
ollah1: That is not true .. I have not seen any in winners and I don't have any in my house and the reason is because there is no better image of Jesus than myself ...I am changed from glory to glory into his perfect image |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by Themandator: 8:52am On Dec 11, 2017 |
suavetony: The communion of Jesus is not a tradition but a commandment ... Jesus said to do it always in remebrance ... Every so called tradition is a by law of the constitution called the scripture. They don't exist outside of the support of the Bible ... If they do exist or purport to exist without the backing of the scripture they are to be considered satanic and rejected tradition in winners is feet washing as done by Jesus Christ to the apostles. Another is blood sprinkling as commanded by God in the old statement that if should be with every generation till the end of the world |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by Themandator: 9:15am On Dec 11, 2017 |
suavetony: Here: my post are not based on asuumptions Everyone worships God in his own way with peace in our hearts." 14 So says Our Lady of Medjugorje in Southern Bosnia-Herzegovina, where visionaries claim the Virgin has been appearing daily for the past 13 years15 in the heart of Ustashi Croatia That is an official record from you guys |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by Nobody: 9:26am On Dec 11, 2017 |
Themandator: You only spoke about yourself and your church(which i doubt because they have braches everywhere? Secondly, do you know the number of Christians that are ingorant of this and pastors would never talk about it but rather concentrate on tithe, seeds, first fruits, offering et al? |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by Uzyvicks(f): 11:57am On Dec 11, 2017 |
ollah1:Yes dear, there are true Christians and false Christians. So billions are actually deceiving themselves. |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by U1(m): 7:30am On Dec 12, 2017 |
NwaAmaikpe: UbanmeUdie: You guys can go ahead and clap for yourselves. With statement such as the bold, it shows you are already in heaven. But I don't envy you. One said Catholics don't read the bible - his opinion. But somehow, he never paid any regards to the advice given in Matthew 7:1-5. Interesting. He took upon himself the role of the ultimate Judge. I even think you're comparable to the hypocritical leaders Jesus used to criticize back then. If you were in their shoes, you'd most likely have said the thief who expressed belief in Christ on the cross wouldn't make heaven. Chances are that people who never even knew or believe in Jesus may even make even before you, in my opinion. Or can you say with all certainty that the Jews who practice Judaism won't enter heaven since you have made yourself a judge? Funny country. So many religious people, yet evils abound. Hypocritical living! Remove the log from your eyes first to be able to see and remove the speck in your brother's eyes. |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by Emmanystone: 11:34am On Dec 13, 2017 |
IMASTEX:You dey talk nonsesnse, dem dey give you likes. People no.dey even fit read. Who be protestant, and who be pentecostals? |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by Emmanystone: 11:40am On Dec 13, 2017 |
santopelele:And who gave you Catholics the command to honour her in such a manner? |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by Emmanystone: 11:53am On Dec 13, 2017 |
khalilullaah:Why not open that link and see? |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by Emmanystone: 11:55am On Dec 13, 2017 |
Admols:The Kaaba you muslims bow to all over tje world is what? What was it before Muhammed was born? |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by santopelele(m): 12:51pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Emmanystone:you would have directed that same question to angel gabriel who gave him the command to say "HAIL MARY" to mary |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by Emmanystone: 1:39pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
santopelele:Hail is greetings. It's like saying, 'Mary, i greet you o'. How does that imply she is more than human? Na wao for una o. |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by santopelele(m): 1:58pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
Emmanystone:Seriously? yea, hail is greetings and greetings is honour. why did the bible told us to honour our parents? if you can honour/greets your parents, why cant i honour/greets the mother of christ as u did to your parents? Bro you no get talk abeg |
Re: Who Is Worshiping Idol Now?; Traditionalist Asks As He Shares These Photos by Emmanystone: 5:04pm On Dec 13, 2017 |
santopelele:Hahahahahahahahaha. Hail is greetings of good will, meaning everyone we greet we honour the way you honour Mary Okwa yà? Exactly, YHWH says we shd honour out parents, if that means we shd do it as Catholics do to Mary, How many images of Mothers have you seen Catholic raised in honour of their mothers? Pls show me the image of your mother you raise to honour her. What about the saints and Angels? What about paying money for your dead loved ones to be admitted into heaven? What about praying for tje dead? Idolatry will get you into Hellfire because theres nothing God hates like it. 1 Like |
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