ZorGBUooeh:

Looking at the old grand pa's picture one can confidently say Afonja was a bald headed snitch

But the grand pa made sense sha..It's like he learned from his fore fathers mistake.when will the modern afonjas learn?

sarrki:
Why about the loss of Asaba to the south south

oyatz:
There are so many tribal bigots on Nairaland.
1) There is nothing much to settle on the Ilorin traditional issue...there is already cultural integration and assimilation.
2) The emirate system in Ilorin, Okuta, Daura or Gwandu is an ISLAMIC and not a Fulani tradition.
3) What happened in Ilorin is not different from what happened in Hadejia, Kano, Zaria, Katsina or Gwandu. The Fulani produce the emirs in traditional Hausa kingdoms due to the consequences of the 1804 Othman Dan Fodio led Jihad.

sarrki:
Why about the loss of Asaba to the south south

Y0ruba:



Interesting.

Then why is the emirate leadership the sole right of the Fulani?

Are you saying Fulani are better Islamists than Yoruba in Ilorin and Hausa in the North?

You may want to revisit your points again.

oyatz:
Very good question.
1) The Othman Dan Fodio Jihad started as a religious war against infidels or Muslims heretics/nonreligious Muslims who practiced corrupted form of Islam.

2) However, the nucleus of the Jihadist armies were Fulani (actually one very big extended family) who were adherents of this Muslim cleric/scholar, sheik Othman Dan Fodio.

3) The Fulani were a minority ethnic group, they alone couldn't wage wars to overthrow several Hausa and Ilorin kingdoms, so they recruited the local indigenous peoples into the Jihardist armies ,painting the picture as a Muslim Vs Non-muslim wars.
4) In all human struggles to effect changes, those who spear head the struggles always reap the greatest benefits of the changes, so wherever the Jihadist succeeded, they installed Fulani men as emirs and with time the position became hereditary... Theocracy always give way to monarchy.

5) To sustain their hegemony, the Fulani rely and use two weapons- Religion and cultural integration such that

6) Today, most of the Fulani ruling elites are descendants of Fulani, Hausa, Yoruba (in Ilorin) ,Nupe (in Kwara and Niger States),Kanuri ,Bolawa, Badde,Kare-Kare (in Bauchi, Yobe &Borno States), all united by the love for ISLAM!

In summary, it is difficult for the local peoples to rise up against the (hybridized) Fulani emirs because they have become part of the people.

In the present day Ilorin, it is very difficult to see a Fulani man who doesn't have at least a Yoruba grandparent, parent, uncles or cousins all united in ISLAM.

kelechi50:
Afonja lost his Republic to the fulanis, and that's how Afonja supported change from Goodluck to Badluck. So enjoy your change joor

madridguy:
Fallacy as usual.

orisa37:
A Bill jointly sponsored by The S.W State Assemblies and Traditional Rulers Council of Oduduwa land and presented to NASS should Repeal The Emirate System in Ilorin and Replace it with a Yoruba Monarchy.

sarrki:
Why about the loss of Asaba to the south south

sarrki:
Why about the loss of Asaba to the south south

seunmsg:


Ilorin alone is not Kwara. We have so many Yoruba towns and obas in Kwara who have no link to the Fulani's. At the right time, the Ilorin situation will be settled.

Y0ruba:
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The only reason Fulani is still ruling Ilorin and why we do not have an Oba yet is because Islam has become an identity and Yoruba culture has taken the back seat.

An average Nigerian is poorly educated and confuses religion (which should be a personal/private relationship with a God) for identity hence, they find themselves taking sides with people they share no cultural similarity and affinity with even against their own kind - this is the problem in Ilorin.

The Yoruba there have confused the Islamic religion for a Fulani identity, hence, the nationalism a Yoruba cultural identity would have driven/created is amiss because Yoruba culture is very much suppressed out there. An average Yoruba out there, even in the academia, works harder to be more Fulani than the Fulani

This is why it is different from Kwara south down to Lagos. Yoruba culture out there is prevalent and religion is more of a backseat thing that hasn’t yet started morphing into an identity for the Yoruba out there.

Reduce Islam to a religion that it is, spring up Yoruba culture again; mode of dressing, greeting, lifestyle, philosophy of existence, inter-personal relation and religion then watch Yoruba take back Ilorin or begin to give the Fulani there a lot of problems.

sarrki:
Why about the loss of Asaba to the south south

OfoIgbo:


An ASABA man is the governor of Delta state (and not a Fulani man), so I don't know what you are talking about

Y0ruba:


LOL I see your argument isn’t for Yoruba but for Islam.

Contrary to your opinion, the Fulani Jihadi struggle was not a family affair. Dan Fodio was chased out Hausa land, he went back to recruit people mostly normadic/itinerant Fulani who were not interested in settling but in sacking and looting towns. After the jihad, most of Dan Fodio’s army went back to their desert roaming. Those he gave letters to, to lord over emirates were not his relatives either but loyal soldiers. That stops there.

Fulani do not rely on cultural integration. They relied on weapons/cavalry and religious brainwash. As for culture, they wipe every trace of the victim’s culture away and give them Arab culture as an identity - which they have confused for Islam. And as long as the people have lost touch with who they really are or were, they will remain tied to the Fulani who gave them the Arab culture. Hence, no resistance as can be seen in the North and slightly in Ilorin because dissidents in Ilorin get killed.

The ancestral mother of the Emirs in Ilorin was a Yoruba woman. The family are all part Yoruba but it means nothing. Their alliance is with Sokoto which can be seen in the call for Sokoto flag to be mounted there and the call from military support from Sokoto which led to 16 differenr kings and their battalions being sent from Hausa land to fight Oyo. Also the Fulani rank first, followed by Hausa and then Yoruba in their palace politics and constitution.

The mistake you have made is they are not necessarily united in Islam as you’ve claimed, they are all rather brainwashed. This is why an average Yoruba there thinks the Fulani and by extension even Sultan of Sokoto is a better muslim than they are which makes the Yoruba struggle to be much more Fulani in ways and lifestyles rather than be more Islam at heart.

If they were united in Islam like you said there would not be Yoruba dissidents who want Emirship in their land scrapped. If they were united in Islam the Fulani would not be holding on to the throne using force. Note that the dissidence against Emirship in Ilorin is fed by the cultural identity thriving in th south which, when a Yoruba from Ilorin and Yoruba from elsewhere meets, the Yoruba from elsewhere thinks of the Ilorin Yoruba as Fulani/Hausa meanwhile the Yoruba Ilorin seems himself/herself as Yoruba but know he/she is different in ways and appearance - more like Arabs. This contact is a constant reminder of Yoruba identity and culture to the peopl of Ilorin as well as a constant reminder of Ilorin’s betrayal.

For example, Islam got to Iwo before Ilorin. Iwo is a muslim town but the location makes it difficult for them to completely shed their Yoruba identity. Islam for the Iwo is a religion yes but not an identity.

In Ilorin, the Fulani did NOT UNITE WITH YORUBA in ISLAM, rather they used Islam as a tool to dislodge the cultural identity of Yoruba and tried to Arabize them; the same tactic used against Hausa.

Unfortunately, the Yoruba folks downsouth are a constant reminder of the religious scam and mind-fook. If you’re in doubts, another example is the Yoruba in Kogi, they have close contact with Hausa, Fulani & other northern groups but the culture and identity down here makes them yearn to return. It gives them the reminder of their reality as a disadvantaged people who are being conned into a unity using Islam & Arab culture.

Cheers.

Y0ruba:


LOL I see your argument isn’t for Yoruba but for Islam.

Contrary to your opinion, the Fulani Jihadi struggle was not a family affair. Dan Fodio was chased out Hausa land, he went back to recruit people mostly normadic/itinerant Fulani who were not interested in settling but in sacking and looting towns. After the jihad, most of Dan Fodio’s army went back to their desert roaming. Those he gave letters to, to lord over emirates were not his relatives either but loyal soldiers. That stops there.

Fulani do not rely on cultural integration. They relied on weapons/cavalry and religious brainwash. As for culture, they wipe every trace of the victim’s culture away and give them Arab culture as an identity - which they have confused for Islam. And as long as the people have lost touch with who they really are or were, they will remain tied to the Fulani who gave them the Arab culture. Hence, no resistance as can be seen in the North and slightly in Ilorin because dissidents in Ilorin get killed.

The ancestral mother of the Emirs in Ilorin was a Yoruba woman. The family are all part Yoruba but it means nothing. Their alliance is with Sokoto which can be seen in the call for Sokoto flag to be mounted there and the call from military support from Sokoto which led to 16 differenr kings and their battalions being sent from Hausa land to fight Oyo. Also the Fulani rank first, followed by Hausa and then Yoruba in their palace politics and constitution.

The mistake you have made is they are not necessarily united in Islam as you’ve claimed, they are all rather brainwashed. This is why an average Yoruba there thinks the Fulani and by extension even Sultan of Sokoto is a better muslim than they are which makes the Yoruba struggle to be much more Fulani in ways and lifestyles rather than be more Islam at heart.

If they were united in Islam like you said there would not be Yoruba dissidents who want Emirship in their land scrapped. If they were united in Islam the Fulani would not be holding on to the throne using force. Note that the dissidence against Emirship in Ilorin is fed by the cultural identity thriving in th south which, when a Yoruba from Ilorin and Yoruba from elsewhere meets, the Yoruba from elsewhere thinks of the Ilorin Yoruba as Fulani/Hausa meanwhile the Yoruba Ilorin seems himself/herself as Yoruba but know he/she is different in ways and appearance - more like Arabs. This contact is a constant reminder of Yoruba identity and culture to the peopl of Ilorin as well as a constant reminder of Ilorin’s betrayal.

For example, Islam got to Iwo before Ilorin. Iwo is a muslim town but the location makes it difficult for them to completely shed their Yoruba identity. Islam for the Iwo is a religion yes but not an identity.

In Ilorin, the Fulani did NOT UNITE WITH YORUBA in ISLAM, rather they used Islam as a tool to dislodge the cultural identity of Yoruba and tried to Arabize them; the same tactic used against Hausa.

Unfortunately, the Yoruba folks downsouth are a constant reminder of the religious scam and mind-fook. If you’re in doubts, another example is the Yoruba in Kogi, they have close contact with Hausa, Fulani & other northern groups but the culture and identity down here makes them yearn to return. It gives them the reminder of their reality as a disadvantaged people who are being conned into a unity using Islam & Arab culture.

Cheers.