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Miracles Don't Exist. Faith Healing And Prayer Are False. by Martinez19(m): 8:42am On Feb 06
One great thing about our universe is that it has laws that are never suspended. The idea that the laws of nature will be suspended for your sake if only believe, have faith and mutter words to yahweh or any deity is complete nonsense.

During miracle crusade, the "miracles" observed are nothing more than fake and staged miracles. People are also coerced to proclaim a healing of a malady they never suffered from eg. People who could walk are asked to sit on wheelchair and pretend they got their healing which enabled them to walk etc. Some of the miracles are exaggeration eg. Someone who was partially blind is presented as completely blind and the little he demonstrates to see to the audience is taken as TOTAL healing from God. Even the testimonies and healings on church flyers are fake.

Why is it that the people healed are relatively unidentified and unreachable persons? Why not Yinka Ayefele, Cobham Asuquo and the likes that are well known. To show you that healings and miracles are faked, why don't we see amputees and severed head restored? That's because these miracles are impossible to fake. The miracles that "happen" are those that can be faked - - - think about it.

Why is it that testimony time is full of nonsense like, "I thank God for adding another year to my life," "I thank God for keeping me and my family alive from January to December, " " I thank God for seeing me through my malaria, " " I thank God for giving me my job," "I thank God for giving me admission into the University" etc. You won't hear anything astonishing. grin

Butterfly1on, felixmoron, HopefulLandord, HardMirror, Johnydon22, hahn, 1Sharon, 0temSapien, proudgorgeousga , Tozara, Catfishbilly, segunojo866 wink, jiggaz grin, decide, dalaman, Nilfeim, adepeter2027

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Re: Miracles Don't Exist. Faith Healing And Prayer Are False. by segunojo866: 8:48am On Feb 06
Martinez19:
One great thing about our universe is that it has laws that are never suspended. The idea that the laws of nature will be suspended for your sake if only believe, have faith and mutter words to yahweh or any deity is complete nonsense.

During miracle crusade, the "miracles" observed are nothing more than fake and staged miracles. People are also coerced to proclaim a healing of a malady they never suffered from eg. People who could walk are asked to sit on wheelchair and pretend they got their healing which enabled them to walk etc. Some of the miracles are exaggeration eg. Someone who was partially blind is presented as completely blind and the little he demonstrates to see to the audience is taken as TOTAL healing from God. Even the testimonies and healings on church flyers are fake.

Why is it that the people healed are relatively unidentified and unreachable persons? Why not Yinka Ayefele, Cobham Asuquo and the likes that are well known. To show you that healings and miracles are faked, why don't we see amputees and severed head restored? That's because these miracles are impossible to fake. The miracles that "happen" are those that can be faked - - - think about it.

Butterfly1on, felixmoron, HopefulLandord, HardMirror, Johnydon22, hahn, 1Sharon, 0temSapien, proudgorgeousga , Tozara, Catfishbilly, segunojo866 wink, jiggaz grin, decide, dalaman, Nilfeim, adepeter2027
well written. We atheists are aware of all this bullshit stuff in religion

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Re: Miracles Don't Exist. Faith Healing And Prayer Are False. by sobastical(m): 8:52am On Feb 06
segunojo866:
well written. We atheists are aware of all this bullshit stuff in religion

Same bullshit you ran to when you needed help it became trash after getting what you need right?

I pray you get awake before it's too late
Re: Miracles Don't Exist. Faith Healing And Prayer Are False. by dawnomike(m): 9:03am On Feb 06
I am not Cobhams nor YInka Ayefele... I am Odogwu Michael (You can check me up on facebook to be sure i exist) grin
In as much as i am not a religious fanatic as i believe everyone is entitled to choose his/her own faith. I'd like to say - not only have i seen miracles happen, i have also experienced it personally.

Faith works and miracles are real!!!

NB: Not denying d fact that some churches stage play miracles but that does not nullify the existence of real miracles.

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Re: Miracles Don't Exist. Faith Healing And Prayer Are False. by butterflyl1on: 9:15am On Feb 06
Martinez19:
One great thing about our universe is that it has laws that are never suspended. The idea that the laws of nature will be suspended for your sake if only believe, have faith and mutter words to yahweh or any deity is complete nonsense
.

You see when you want to write anything and want to sound convincing try not to be self contradictory. You said here that the universe has laws right? Pray tell how these laws came about and how it happened to be that these laws work for us. Is it by chance? If yes, how then is it possible something without purpose to produce laws? If not by chance then it means something or someone with purpose instituted those laws. Not just for the miraculous but also for the fine tuning of the universe so it would enable us to definitely have a direction in development and knowledge. Care to share?

During miracle crusade, the "miracles" observed are nothing more than fake and staged miracles. People are also coerced to proclaim a healing of a malady they never suffered from eg. People who could walk are asked to sit on wheelchair and pretend they got their healing which enabled them to walk etc. Some of the miracles are exaggeration eg. Someone who was partially blind is presented as completely blind and the little he demonstrates to see to the audience is taken as TOTAL healing from God. Even the testimonies and healings on church flyers are fake.

So much non sequitur. Until you deal with the first you cannot conclude on the miraculous being staged.


Why is it that the people healed are relatively unidentified and unreachable persons? Why not Yinka Ayefele, Cobham Asuquo and the likes that are well known. To show you that healings and miracles are faked, why don't we see amputees and severed head restored? That's because these miracles are impossible to fake. The miracles that "happen" are those that can be faked - - - think about it.

I guess famous people like Chris Tucker, Mase, Montell Jordan, August Jones, Kirk Cameron, Michelle Williams, Pebbles, Donna Summer, Sherri Shepherd, Manny Paquiao, Vanity, Dwayne the rock Johnson, etc all faked their miracles and were probably staged too. grin


Why is it that testimony time is full of nonsense like, "I thank God for adding another year to my life," "I thank God for keeping me and my family alive from January to December, " " I thank God for seeing me through my malaria, " " I thank God for giving me my job," "I thank God for giving me admission into the University" etc. You won't hear anything astonishing. grin

A man is crying that he has no shoes until he sees someone with no legs.

Someone is crying that he has malaria and is very uncomfortable until he sees someone with stage 4 cancer

Someone is angry at his parents that he only eats twice a day and would rather eat thrice and also have dessert until he sees a family who struggle to even feed once a day.

Life is all about ones personal experiences. Pain is personal. They say it is he who wears the shoe that knows where it pinches. Until you walk a mile in their shoes you have no right to condemn anyone whose testimony you regard as "nonsense".

Finally, I thought you swore never to have a conversation with me. How is it that you always put my moniker on your list of responses? That must be another miracle grin

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Re: Miracles Don't Exist. Faith Healing And Prayer Are False. by Martinez19(m): 9:28am On Feb 06
butterflyl1on:
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You see when you want to write anything and want to sound convincing try not to be self contradictory. You said here that the universe has laws right? Pray tell how these laws came about and how it happened to be that these laws work for us. Is it by chance? If yes, how then is it possible for nothing with purpose to produce laws? If not by chance then it means something or someone with purpose instituted those laws. Not just for the miraculous but also for the fine tuning of the universe so it would enable us to definitely have a direction in development and knowledge. Care to share?



So much non sequitur. Until you deal with the first you cannot conclude on the miraculous being staged.



I guess famous people like Chris Tucker, Mase, Montell Jordan, August Jones, Kirk Cameron, Michelle Williams, Pebbles, Donna Summer, Sherri Shepherd, Manny Paquiao, Vanity, Dwayne the rock Johnson, etc all faked their miracles and were probably staged too. grin




A man is crying that he has no shoes until he sees someone with no legs.

Someone is crying that he has malaria and is very uncomfortable until he sees someone with stage 4 cancer

Someone is angry at his parents that he only eats twice a day and would rather eat thrice and also have dessert until he sees a family who struggle to even feed once a day.

Life is all about ones personal experiences. Pain is personal. They say it is he who wears the shoe that knows where it pinches. Until you walk a mile in their shoes you have no right to condemn anyone whose testimony you regard as "nonsense".

Finally, I thought you swore never to have a conversation with me. How is it that you always put my moniker on your list of responses? That must be another miracle grin

you believe in miracles and healing. Bringing you here and you typing nonsense and disjointed arguments will go a long way in conforming my op.
Re: Miracles Don't Exist. Faith Healing And Prayer Are False. by butterflyl1on: 9:32am On Feb 06
Martinez19:
you believe in miracles and healing. Bringing you here and you typing nonsense and disjointed arguments will go a long way in conforming my op.

Show me my "nonsense and disjointed arguments" cheesy

I rather showed you yours and you are now ranting as usual grin

So show me mine

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Re: Miracles Don't Exist. Faith Healing And Prayer Are False. by Martinez19(m): 9:40am On Feb 06
butterflyl1on:


Show me my "nonsense and disjointed arguments" cheesy

I rather showed you yours and you are now ranting as usual grin

So show me mine
my op was about nature's laws never being suspended and the falsehood of healing and miracles. As usual, you ignored these main points and started talking about who created these laws as if it is what I am talking about.

Re: Miracles Don't Exist. Faith Healing And Prayer Are False. by butterflyl1on: 9:48am On Feb 06
Martinez19:
my op was about nature's laws never being suspended and the falsehood of healing and miracles. As usual, you ignored these main points and started talking about who created these laws as if it is what I am talking about.

And my comment was on the laws itself which you mentioned. Let me post it again because I can see your lack of an answer is making you livid.


You said here that the universe has laws right? Pray tell how these laws came about and how it happened to be that these laws work for us. Is it by chance? If yes, how then is it possible for nothing with purpose to produce laws? If not by chance then it means something or someone with purpose instituted those laws. Not just for the miraculous but also for the fine tuning of the universe so it would enable us to definitely have a direction in development and knowledge. Care to share?

Let's find out if these laws are actually caused by nature which it did not begin itself and was not intelligent to start with. Or if these laws which guide us as you clearly stated in your OP can actually guide without direction and yet be called laws.

If a higher purpose did not give us these so called natural laws which now guide man SO WELL then how did they emerge on their own by chance yet are able to inevitably occur so well and guide us so well and help us have direction in the area of development and life as humans.

If these laws where by chance then miracles are fake but if those laws were purposefully set (as is evident today in our purpose driven world) then that means that whatever purposefully set them can also suspend them.

Do you get it now?

Now cut to the chase and answer my first comment.

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Re: Miracles Don't Exist. Faith Healing And Prayer Are False. by Martinez19(m): 9:53am On Feb 06
butterflyl1on:


And my comment was on the laws itself which you mentioned. Let me post it again because I can see your lack of an answer is making you livid.




Let's find out if these laws are actually caused by nature which it did not begin itself and was not intelligent to start with. Or if these laws which guide us as you clearly stated in your OP can actually guide without direction and yet be called laws.

If a higher purpose did not give us these so called natural laws which now guide man SO WELL then how did they emerge on their own by chance yet are able to inevitably occur so well and guide us so well and help us have direction in the area of development and life as humans.

If these laws where by chance then miracles are fake but if those laws were purposefully set (as is evident today in our purpose driven world) then that means that whatever purposefully set them can also suspend them.

Do you get it now?

Now cut to the chase and answer my first comment.
pray tell how these laws came about? Higher purpose giving us the laws? How did the laws emerge? Why do these law come about? These are not the issues of my op. The only thing you can argue is if the laws of nature can be suspended or not. Either you agree or disagree with facts and cases. Good day.

Re: Miracles Don't Exist. Faith Healing And Prayer Are False. by butterflyl1on: 10:02am On Feb 06
Martinez19:
pray tell how these laws came about? Higher purpose giving us the laws? How did the laws emerge? Why do these law come about? These are not the issues of my op. The only thing you can argue is if the laws of nature can be suspended or not. Either you agree or disagree with facts and cases. Good day.

Well since you had to deliberately mention them in your OP and I saw them as self contradictory to your OP it is an issue for me.

You are the one to tell me how these laws of nature emerged and if nature has control of itself and how it is that these laws work SO SO WELL and are considered INEVITABLE.

how did nature achieve this? By chance? If by chance how then did it intelligently do this with purpose if nobody was in control of nature all along?

Why is it called laws of nature if it has no purpose?

If it was by a higher authority then can this authority who began these laws not be able to suspend them too?

I am being factual. YOU ARE NOT!

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Re: Miracles Don't Exist. Faith Healing And Prayer Are False. by dalaman: 10:15am On Feb 06
It is impossible to heal anybody suffering from any serious disease or sickness like a terminal illness in the name of any God alone. Prayers remain totally USELESS and can not be differentiated from pure chance or luck. Clear cut miracles do NOT and can NEVER happen.

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Re: Miracles Don't Exist. Faith Healing And Prayer Are False. by hopefulLandlord: 1:36pm On Feb 06
dalaman:
It is impossible to heal anybody suffering from any serious disease or sickness like a terminal illness in the name of any God alone. Prayers remain totally USELESS and can not be differentiated from pure chance or luck. Clear cut miracles do NOT and can NEVER happen.

I concur

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Re: Miracles Don't Exist. Faith Healing And Prayer Are False. by Niflheim(m): 2:16pm On Feb 06
I must disagree with the atheists this time around!!! For even though I have never witnessed the miracle of goats eating in a restaurant with fork and knife, like humans...............................................................................I HAVE WITNESSED THE MIRACLE OF HUMANS EATING GRASS LIKE slow RUMINANTS, LIKE SENSELESS SHEEP AND LIKE CONFUSED COWS!!!

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Re: Miracles Don't Exist. Faith Healing And Prayer Are False. by Daeylar(f): 2:33pm On Feb 06
Niflheim:
I must disagree with the atheists this time around!!! For even though I have never witnessed the miracle of goats eating in a restaurant with fork and knife, like humans...............................................................................I HAVE WITNESSED THE MIRACLE OF HUMANS EATING GRASS LIKE slow RUMINANTS, LIKE SENSELESS SHEEP AND LIKE CONFUSED COWS!!!

grin grin

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Re: Miracles Don't Exist. Faith Healing And Prayer Are False. by Proudgorgeousga(f): 3:59pm On Feb 06
Niflheim:
I must disagree with the atheists this time around!!! For even though I have never witnessed the miracle of goats eating in a restaurant with fork and knife, like humans...............................................................................I HAVE WITNESSED THE MIRACLE OF HUMANS EATING GRASS LIKE slow RUMINANTS, LIKE SENSELESS SHEEP AND LIKE CONFUSED COWS!!!

which kain person you be cheesy

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