OLAADEGBU:
Contradictions in the bible - A righteous lie?

Was Rahab praised for lying in James 2:25 when lying is forbidden in the Ten Commandments?

https://answersingenesis.org/contradictions-in-the-bible/a-righteous-lie/

Yes.

PastorAIO:



Wintston added.


Oya, rank them.

The reality of hell fire:

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Revelation 21:8.).

The infallible Word of God trumps the fallible words of men all the time.

PrecisionFx:


Yes.

Discuss.

OLAADEGBU:


Discuss.

U went for NYSC in kano.

Religious wahala start.

Dem begin kill Christians.

U ran for ur life.

U got to my house n I hid u inside my well.

The marauding Islamist came to my house.

They asked after u.

I told them no one entered here.

End of story.

PrecisionFx:




U went for NYSC in kano.

Religious wahala start.

Dem begin kill Christians.

U ran for ur life.

U got to my house n I hid u inside my well.

The marauding Islamist came to my house.

They asked after u.

I told them no one entered here.

End of story.

The next time armed robbers come visiting try sending them on a wild goose chase and see whether that will be the "end of story."

OLAADEGBU:


The next time armed robbers come visiting try sending them on a wild goose chase and see whether they will be the "end of story."

I wasn't talking about Armed robbers sir.

PrecisionFx:


I wasn't talking about Armed robbers sir.

Use your analogy when armed robbers come visiting and see whether it will work.

OLAADEGBU:


Use your analogy when armed robbers come visiting and see whether it will work.

U brought up the armed robbery issue so u should use it....

PrecisionFx:



U brought up the armed robbery issue so u should use it....

When you answer 'the armed robbery issue' I will then relate it to your analogy.

OLAADEGBU:


When you answer 'the armed robbery issue' I will then relate it to your analogy.

Stop lying your unrighteous lies. I'm ready to bet my last threadbare pants that even if he should answer you will not honour your promise. You will follow up with another question and keep questioning until he despairs and no longer requires you to answer your question. This is your style generally speaking.

All you can do is run and hide from simple questions. But on that day, you shall run to the rock and the rock will not hide you, you will run to the sea and the sea will not cover you. On that day.

PastorAIO:


Stop lying your unrighteous lies. I'm ready to bet my last threadbare pants that even if he should answer you will not honour your promise. You will follow up with another question and keep questioning until he despairs and no longer requires you to answer your question. This is your style generally speaking.

All you can do is run and hide from simple questions. But on that day, you shall run to the rock and the rock will not hide you, you will run to the sea and the sea will not cover you. On that day.

Either you or him should respond to my analogy and I will give you at least 3 outcomes to his, deal?

OLAADEGBU:


Either you or him should respond to my analogy and I will give you at least 3 outcomes to his, deal?

Go and siddon somewhere, you think I have your time today.

PastorAIO:


Go and siddon somewhere, you think I have your time today.

I'm not surprised that you copped out as usual.

OLAADEGBU:


I'm not surprised that you copped out as usual.

Simple questions that you can't answer. Remember this one?

PastorAIO:


Didn't your God make something from Nothing, according to you?

Simple yes or no, you start to dance around.

PastorAIO:


Simple questions that you can't answer. Remember this one?



Simple yes or no, you start to dance around.

He created everything by the Power of His Word.

Half truth is a whole lie.

OLAADEGBU:
Contradictions in the bible - A righteous lie?

Was Rahab praised for lying in James 2:25 when lying is forbidden in the Ten Commandments?

https://answersingenesis.org/contradictions-in-the-bible/a-righteous-lie/

Rahab was not a descendant of Israel and so not bound by the Old Covenant that the israelites were, not until she eventually went to live among them, and so her lie on behalf of the Israelites was likely not judged by their Law.

MISHIGAS!

OLAADEGBU:
Contradictions in the bible - A righteous lie?

Was Rahab praised for lying in James 2:25 when lying is forbidden in the Ten Commandments?

https://answersingenesis.org/contradictions-in-the-bible/a-righteous-lie/

SO WHAT IF YACUB ach YESHUA THOUGHT THAT RACHAB THE HARLOT WAS JUSTIFIED?

Is he our Lord or Savior?

We don't have to care about his opinion.

It is his Brother whom we are supposed to follow, not him!

This Hypocrite did not support Lord Yeshua before nor after he died. He joined the Church after his Resurrection, and spearheaded the banning of Hebrew Christians from teaching Gentile Christians The Law of Moses, and from Circumcising them.

Yacub can praise whoever he wants: that does not mean that God praised them.

OLAADEGBU:


The context of this is Joshua 2:1–16, when the Israelites were spying out the land that the Lord has promised them. RahabI gave refuge to the spies, hid them, and sent their pursuers off in another direction while directing the Israelites elsewhere. During her discourse with the pursuers, she lied about where the men were. The passage reads:

"Now Joshua the son of Nun sent out two men from Acacia Grove to spy secretly, saying, "Go, view the land, especially Jericho." So they went, and came to the house of a harlot named Rahab, and lodged there. After she hid the spies, she sent them off" (Joshua 2:1).

"And she said to them, "Get to the mountain, lest the pursuers meet you. Hide there three days, until the pursuers have returned. Afterward you may go your way" (Joshua 2:16).

This was a different direction from where she sent the spies' pursuers. This is where the relevant passage in James 2 becomes important:

"Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?" (James 2:25).

Which leads to the question: Was Rahab praised for lying in James 2:25 when lying is forbidden in the Ten Commandments?

WHAT PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT PART OF GOD'S COVENANT DO OR DO NOT DO IS IRRELEVANT: BECAUSE GOD IS NOT THEIR GOD.

. GENESIS 17:1-14.

AND when Abram was
ninety years old and nine,
The LORD appeared to Abram,
and Said unto him,

"I am The Almighty God;
walk before Me,
and be thou perfect.
2. "And I will make
My Covenant
between Me and thee,
and will multiply thee exceedingly."

3. And Abram fell on his face:
and God Talked with him,
Saying,

4. "As for Me,
behold, My Covenant
is with thee,
and thou shalt be
a Father of many Nations.
5. "Neither shall thy name
any more be called "Abram,"
but thy name shall be "Abraham;"
for a father of many nations
have I made thee.
6. "And I will make thee
Exceeding Fruitful,
and I will make
nations of thee,
and kings shall
come out of thee.
7. "And I will establish
My Covenant
between Me and thee
and thy seed after thee
in their Generations
for an Everlasting Covenant,
to be a God unto thee,
and to thy seed after thee.
8. "And I will give unto thee,
and to thy seed after thee,
the land wherein
thou art a stranger,
all the land of Canaan,
for an Everlasting Possession;
and I will be their God."

9. And God Said
unto Abraham,

"Thou shalt keep
My Covenant therefore,
thou, and thy seed after thee
in their Generations.
10. "This is My Covenant,
Which ye shall keep,
between Me and you
and thy seed after thee;

'EVERY MAN CHILD AMONG YOU
SHALL BE CIRCUMCISED.'

11. "And ye shall circumcise
the flesh of your foreskin;
and it shall be
a Token of The Covenant
betwixt me and you.
12. "And he that is
eight days old
shall be circumcised
among you,
every man child
in your Generations,
he that is born in the house,
or bought with money
of any stranger,
which is not of thy seed.
13. "He that is born
in thy house,
and he that is bought
with thy money,
must needs be circumcised:
and My Covenant
shall be in your flesh
for an Everlasting Covenant.
14. "And the uncircumcised
man child
whose flesh of his foreskin
is not circumcised,
that soul shall be cut off
from his people;
he hath broken My Covenant."

Seun:

Is lying forbidden in the Ten Commandments? I don’t think so. Please provide the source. Thanks.

UnchangeableGod:

"Thou shall not bear false witness" means thou shall not lie. Rahab was a sinner as at the time she saved the Isrseli spies. She was a harlot as at then. So a sinner just have to sin. The Bible did not praise Rahab for her sin of lying. Rather, the Scriptures only praised her faith in the God of Israel which made her to risk committing 'treason' in order to save God's ambassadors (although they were strangers) believing that she and her household would be rewarded and protected by the Israeli God. She had faith in God which she put into action. That is the point. There are things a believer can learn from unbelievers.

IMPORTANT POINT OF CLARIFICATION: THE HEBREWS OF THE BIBLE ARE "ISRAELITES," NOT "ISRAELIS."

The Jews of the modern nation of Israel are the "ISRAELIS:" they are NOT Hebrews.

Their Ancestors are not related to ABRAHAM, YSSAC, AND YACUB.

They are descendants of KHAZARIANS, who converted en masse to the Hebrew Religion in the 9^th Century, by command of their king, BULAN, who merely wanted to use the most convenient Abrahamic Religion, in his estimation, to unite his kingdom.

[See: THE INTERNATIONAL JEW: The World's Most Foremost Problem, by Henry Ford.
THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE, by Arthur Koestler (1970).
THE INVENTION OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE, by Shlomo Sand (2010).]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulan_(Khazar)

RACHAB WAS TO BE COMMENDED FOR DOING WHATEVER SHE HAD TO DO TO SAVE THE LIVES OF THE ISRAELITE SPIES.

. EXODUS 20:16.

16. "Thou shalt not
bear False Witness
against thy Neighbour."

THE COMMANDMENT DID NOT SAY, "THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITHNESS," BUT, "THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOUR."

Seun:

It means “you shall not give false testimony against your neighbour”, according to NIV. In other words, don’t falsely accuse your neighbor of a crime s/he didn’t commit. The Ten Commandments only forbid this specific type of lie. You can tell all sorts of lies without breaking any of the Ten Commandments.

THE NEIGHBOURS THAT COUNT ARE THE ABRAHAMIC COVENANT PARTNERS: ONE IS NOT OBLIGED TO KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS TO THOSE WHO ARE NOT FELLOW COVENANT BRETHREN.

. LEVITICUS 19:11.

11. "Ye shall not steal,
neither deal falsely,
neither lie one to another."

THE COMMANDMENT SPECIFICALLY FORBADE COVENANT MEMBERS TO LIE TO ONE ANOTHER.

Nothing is said about lying to ENEMIES of The Covenant Brethren. There is no Commandment to give out Information to non-Covenant Members that could be used to harm Members.

Where would the sense of that be?

SERVING THE ENEMY IS A CURSE!

. JOSHUA 9:1-27.

AND it came to pass,
when all the kings
which were on this side Jordan,
in the hills, and in the valleys,
and in all the coasts of the great Sea
over against Lebanon, the Hittite,
and the Amorite, the Canaanite,
the Perizzite, the Hivite,
and the Jebusite,
heard thereof;
2. That they gathered
themselves together,
to fight with Joshua and with Israel,
with one accord.
3. And when the inhabitants
of Gibeon heard
what Joshua had done
unto Jericho and to Ai,
4. They did work wilily,
and went and made
as if they had been ambassadors,
and took old sacks upon their asses,
and wine bottles, old, and rent,
and bound up;
5. And old shoes and clouted
upon their feet,
and old garments upon them;
and all the bread of their provision
was dry and mouldy.
6. And they went to Joshua
unto the Camp at Gilgal,
and said unto him,
and to the men of Israel,

"We be come from a far country:
now therefore make ye
a league with us."

7. And the men of Israel
said unto the Hivites,

"Peradventure ye dwell among us;
and how shall we make a league
with you?"

8. And they said unto Joshua,

"We are thy servants."

And Joshua said unto them,

"Who are ye?
And from whence come ye?"

9. And they said unto him,

"From a very far country
thy servants are come
because of The Name of the LORD
thy God:
for we have heard the fame of Him,
and all that He did in Egypt,
10. "And all that He did
to the two kings of the Amorites,
that were beyond Jordan,
to Sihon king of Heshbon,
and to Og king of Bashan,
which was at Ashtaroth.
11. "Wherefore our Elders
and all the inhabitants
of our country spake to us,
saying,

'TAKE VICTUALS WITH YOU
FOR THE JOURNEY,
AND GO TO MEET THEM,
AND SAY UNTO THEM,

"WE ARE YOUR SERVANTS:
THEREFORE NOW
MAKE YE A LEAGUE
WITH US." '

12. "This our bread
we took hot for our provision
out of our houses
on the day we came forth
to go unto you;
but now, behold,
it is dry, and it is mouldy:
13. "And these bottles of wine,
which we filled, were new;
and, behold, they be rent:
and these our garments
and our shoes
are become old
by reason of
the very long journey."

14. And the men
took of their victuals,
and asked not Counsel
at The Mouth of The LORD.

15. And Joshua
made peace with them,
and made a League with them,
to let them live:
and the Princes of the Congregation
sware unto them.
16. And it came to pass
at the end of three days
after they had made a League
with them,
that they heard
that they were their Neighbours,
and that they dwelt among them.
17. And the Children of Israel journeyed,
and came unto their cities
on the third day.
Now their cities were Gibeon,
and Chephirah, and Beeroth,
and Kirjathjearim.
18. And the Children of Israel
smote them not,
because the Princes of the Congregation
had sworn unto them
by The LORD God of Israel.
And all the Congregation
murmured against the Princes.
19. But all the Princes said
unto all the Congregation,

"We have sworn unto them
by The LORD God of Israel:
now therefore
we may not touch them.
20. "This we will do to them;

'WE WILL EVEN
LET THEM LIVE,
LEST WRATH BE UPON US,
BECAUSE OF THE OATH
WHICH WE SWARE
UNTO THEM.' "

21. And the princes said unto them,

"Let them live;
but let them be Hewers of Wood
and Drawers of Water
unto all the Congregation;
as the Princes
had promised them."

22. And Joshua called for them,
and he spake unto them,
saying,

"Wherefore have ye beguiled us,
saying,

'WE ARE VERY FAR FROM YOU;'

when ye dwell among us?
23. "Now therefore ye are cursed,
and there shall none of you
be freed from being Bondmen,
and Hewers of Wood
and Drawers of Water
for The House of my God."

24. And they answered Joshua,
and said,

"Because it was certainly
told thy servants,
how that The LORD thy God
Commanded His Servant Moses
to give you all the land,
and to destroy
all the inhabitants of the land
from before you,
therefore we were
sore afraid of our lives
because of you,
and have done this thing.
25. "And now, behold,
we are in thine hand:
as it seemeth Good and Right
unto thee to do unto us, do."

26. And so did he unto them,
and delivered them
out of the Hand
of The Children of Israel,
that they slew them not.
27. And Joshua made them that day
Hewers of Wood
and Drawers of Water
for the Congregation,
and for The Altar of The LORD,
even unto this day,
in the place which He should choose.

HERE WAS A CASE WHERE SOME PEOPLE LIED TO THE CHILDREN OF Y'SRAEL, IN ORDER TO OBTAIN COVENANT RIGHTS: HAD JOSHUA USED THE EXCUSE THAT THE OATH HAD BEEN OBTAINED BY LYING, I THINK THAT JUST ABOUT ANYONE WOULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD THAT.

Even the Gibeonites said as much.

. LEVITICUS 19:33-34.

33. "And if a Stranger
sojourn with thee in your land,
ye shall not vex him.
34. "(But) the Stranger
that dwelleth with you
shall be unto you
as one born among you,
and thou shalt love him as thyself;
for ye were strangers
in the land of Egypt:
I (am) The LORD your God."

BUT IT WAS RULED THAT THE DECEPTION WAS UNIMPORTANT.

Note, also, that people who volunteer to be Slaves cannot be freed.

. EXODUS 21:1-6.

"Now these are the Judgments
Which thou shalt set before them.

2. "If thou buy
an Hebrew servant,
six years He shall serve:
and in the seventh
he shall go out free for nothing.
3. "If he came in by himself,
he shall go out by himself:
if He were married,
then his wife
shall go out with him.
4. "If his master have
given him a wife,
and she have born
him sons or daughters;
the wife and her children
shall be her master's,
and He shall go out by himself.
5. "And if the servant
shall plainly say,

"I LOVE MY MASTER,
MY WIFE, AND MY CHILDREN;
I WILL NOT GO OUT FREE:"

6. "Then his master
shall bring him
unto the judges;
he shall also bring him
to the door
or unto the door post;
and his master
shall bore his ear
through with an aul;
and He shall serve him
for ever."

NOR THEIR DESCENDANTS.

The Law of Slavery illustrates the Laws of Nature, explaining how Perpetual Bondage comes to be, and how to attain freedom from It.

. 1^st SAMUEL 27:7-12.

7. And the time that David
dwelt in the country of the Philistines
was a full year and four months.
8. And David and his men
went up,
and invaded the Geshurites,
and the Gezrites, and the Amalekites:
for those nations were of old
the inhabitants of the land,
as thou goest to Shur,
even unto the land of Egypt.
9. And David smote the land,
and left neither man nor woman alive,
and took away the sheep,
and the oxen, and the asses,
and the camels,
and the apparel,
and returned, and came to Achish.
10. And Achish said,

"Whither have ye
made a road to day?"

And David said,

"Against the South of Judah,
and against the South
of the Jerahmeelites,
and against the South of the Kenites."

11. And David saved
neither man nor woman alive,
to bring tidings to Gath,
saying,

"Lest they should tell on us,
saying,

'SO DID DAVID,
AND SO WILL BE HIS MANNER
ALL THE WHILE HE DWELLETH
IN THE COUNTRY
OF THE PHILISTINES.' "

12. And Achish believed David,
saying,

"He hath made his people Israel
utterly to abhor him;
therefore he shall be my servant
for ever."

DAWID MURDERED CIVILIAN NONCOMBATANTS, MERELY TO MAINTAIN BONAFIDES WITH THE PHILISTINE KING WHO ACTUALLY WAS HIS ENEMY- AND LIED ABOUT IT.

Yet, he is revered in The Bible as a major Saint, and Prophet.

HOW A PROPHET BECAME ANOINTED BY TELLING A LIE.

. 1^st KINGS 13:1-32.


10. So he went another way,
and returned not by the way
that he came to Bethel.
11. Now there dwelt
an old Prophet in Bethel;
and his sons came and told him
all the Works that the Man of God
had done that day in Bethel:
the Words Which he
had spoken unto the king,
them they told also to their father.
12. And their father said unto them,

“What way went he?”

For his sons had seen
what way the Man of God went,
which came from Judah.
13. And he said unto his sons,

“Saddle me the ass.”

So they saddled him the ass:
and he rode thereon,
14. And went after the Man of God,
and found him sitting under an oak:
and he said unto him,

“Art thou the Man of God
that camest from Judah?”

And he said,

“I am.”

15. Then he said unto him,

“Come home with me,
and eat bread.”

16. And he said,

“I may not return with thee,
nor go in with thee:
neither will I eat bread
nor drink water with thee
in this place:
17. “For it was Said to me
by the Word of The LORD,

'THOU SHALT EAT NO BREAD
NOR DRINK WATER THERE,
NOR TURN AGAIN TO GO
BY THE WAY THAT THOU CAMEST.' ”

18. He said unto him,

“I am a Prophet also as thou art;
and an Angel spake unto me
by the Word of The LORD, Saying,

'BRING HIM
BACK WITH THEE
INTO THINE HOUSE,
THAT HE MAY EAT BREAD
AND DRINK WATER.' ”

But he lied unto him.

19. So he went back with him,
and did eat bread in his house,
and drank water.
20. And it came to pass,
as they sat at the table,
that the Word of The LORD
Came unto the Prophet
that brought him back:
21. And he Cried unto
the Man of God
that came from Judah,
Saying,

“Thus saith The LORD,

'FORASMUCH AS THOU
HAST DISOBEYED
THE MOUTH OF THE LORD,
AND HAST NOT KEPT
THE COMMANDMENT
WHICH THE LORD THY GOD
COMMANDED THEE,
22. 'BUT CAMEST BACK,
AND HAST EATEN BREAD
AND DRUNK WATER
IN THE PLACE,
OF THE WHICH THE LORD
DID SAY TO THEE,

“EAT NO BREAD,
AND DRINK NO WATER;”

THY CARCASE
SHALL NOT COME
UNTO THE SEPULCHRE
OF THY FATHERS.' ”

23. And it came to pass,
after he had eaten bread,
and after he had drunk,
that he saddled for him the ass,
to wit,
for the Prophet whom
he had brought back.
24. And when he was gone,
a lion met him by the way,
and slew him:
and his carcase
was cast in the way,
and the ass stood by it,
the lion also stood by the carcase.
25. And, behold, men passed by,
and saw the carcase cast in the way,
and the lion standing by the carcase:
and they came and told it in the city
where the old Prophet dwelt.
26. And when the Prophet
that brought him back from the way
heard thereof,
he said,

“It is the Man of God,
who was disobedient
unto the Word of The LORD:
therefore The LORD
hath delivered him unto the lion,
which hath torn him,
and slain him,
according to the Word of The LORD,
Which He Spake unto him.”

27. And he spake to his sons,
saying,

“Saddle me the ass.”

And they saddled him.

28. And he went
and found his carcase
cast in the way,
and the ass and the lion
standing by the carcase:
the lion had not eaten the carcase,
nor torn the ass.
29. And the Prophet took up
the carcase of the Man of God,
and laid it upon the ass,
and brought it back:
and the old Prophet came to the city,
to mourn and to bury him.
30' And he laid his carcase
in his own grave;
and they mourned over him,
saying,

“Alas, my brother!”

31. And it came to pass,
after he had buried him,
that he spake to his sons,
saying,

“When I am dead,
then bury me in the sepulchre
wherein the Man of God is buried;
lay my bones beside his bones:
32. “For the Saying
which he Cried
by the Word of The LORD
against the altar in Bethel,
and against all the Houses
of the High Places
which are in the cities of Samaria,
shall surely come to pass.”

THE INFERENCE IS THAT ONCE THE YOUNG PROPHET BROKE THE WORD OF GOD, HE CEASED TO BE A Y'SRAELITE.

Therefore, the Commandment of God forbidding Deception of Brethren no longer applied to the older Prophet.

OLAADEGBU:
Contradictions in the bible - A righteous lie?

Was Rahab praised for lying in James 2:25 when lying is forbidden in the Ten Commandments?

https://answersingenesis.org/contradictions-in-the-bible/a-righteous-lie/