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Why Iwo Eleru Is Important. The Yoruba Did Not Emigrate From Mecca by aremuforlife(m): 6:55am On May 09, 2018
Why Iwo Eleru is important - The Yoruba did not emigrate from Mecca!

Iwo Eleru is a rock shelter in south-western Nigeria. It is about 24 km north-west of Akurẹ (the state capital of Ondo State) with coordinates 7°26’30” N and 5°7’40”.

Archaeological findings in Yorubaland have confirmed consistently that Neolithic (later part of the Stone Age) people once inhabited Yorubaland especially around the Ile-Ifẹ environs.

However, the watershed moment came in 1965 when a team lead by Thorstan Shaw of the University of Ibadan discovered a skeletal remains dated to circa 9200 BC in a cave at Iwo Eleru (near Akurẹ).

This discovery unambiguously and unequivocally confirmed that humans were living in Yorubaland 13,000 years ago!

No chance this particular person whose remains was found at Iwo Eleru came from Mecca! It poured cold water on the fable of Lamurudu/Oduduwa - magicians turned Muslims narrative who emigrated from Mecca to Ile-Ifẹ. Islam is just 1,400 years old compared to a 13,000-year old remains!

Apart from this archeological evidence, linguistic evidence proved that the Yoruba language emerged as a distinct language which separated from the Kwa group in the Niger-Congo group of languages as long as 2000BC.

Even though Yoruba language has some similar Arabic words (e.g alaafia/al-aafiah, alubọsa/al-basal, adua/ad-du'a, alubarika/al-barakah etc) the two languages have nothing in common lexically.

Even if the Yoruba migrated from somewhere else before they settled in Yorubaland, they certainly did not come from Mecca or Arabia.

Furthermore, according to Islamic tradition, the history of Mecca goes back to Abraham (Ibrahim), who built the Kaaba with the help of his elder son Ishmael in around 2000 BC.

- Olobe Yoyon

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Re: Why Iwo Eleru Is Important. The Yoruba Did Not Emigrate From Mecca by MightySparrow: 7:08am On May 09, 2018
The archeological finding could be true and that does not in anyway contradict migration of yoruba from wherever. history told us that those that came from 'mecca' met people there. also, in most places they went, they became a force of unity.

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Re: Why Iwo Eleru Is Important. The Yoruba Did Not Emigrate From Mecca by MetaPhysical: 12:04am On May 12, 2018
There was no place known as Mecca in time of Lamurudu or Oduduwa.

Authentic Yoruba oral historians spoke of migration from Mondiana (Midyan) not Mecca.

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Re: Why Iwo Eleru Is Important. The Yoruba Did Not Emigrate From Mecca by MetaPhysical: 12:06am On May 12, 2018
Furthermore, according to Islamic tradition, the history of Mecca goes back to Abraham (Ibrahim), who built the Kaaba with the help of his elder son Ishmael in around 2000 BC.

In time of Abraham there was no place known as Mecca.

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Re: Why Iwo Eleru Is Important. The Yoruba Did Not Emigrate From Mecca by RedboneSmith(m): 7:22am On May 12, 2018
I think it will be anachronistic to say the skeleton found at Iwo Eleru belonged to a Yoruba man. For one, archaeologists have discovered that the skeleton belonged to a primitive forerunner of modern humans. It's like saying the remains of the Cro-Magnon man found in France belonged to a Frenchman.

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Re: Why Iwo Eleru Is Important. The Yoruba Did Not Emigrate From Mecca by OlaoChi: 9:13am On May 12, 2018
MetaPhysical:
There was no place known as Mecca in time of Lamurudu or Oduduwa.

Authentic Yoruba oral historians spoke of migration from Mondiana (Midyan) not Mecca.

What makes a claim that has no basis in Yoruba traditions "authentic"

Now it's Midyan not Mecca?

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Re: Why Iwo Eleru Is Important. The Yoruba Did Not Emigrate From Mecca by Olu317(m): 3:12pm On May 12, 2018
RedboneSmith:
I think it will be anachronistic to say the skeleton found at Iwo Eleru belonged to a Yoruba man. For one, archaeologists have discovered that the skeleton belonged to a primitive forerunner of modern humans. It's like saying the remains of the Cro-Magnon man found in France belonged to a Frenchman.
Seconded......
Re: Why Iwo Eleru Is Important. The Yoruba Did Not Emigrate From Mecca by Olu317(m): 3:26pm On May 12, 2018
OlaoChi:

What makes a claim that has no basis in Yoruba traditions "authentic"

Now it's Midyan not Mecca?
And what make you think the three IFE that existed, happened in Southwest Nigeria?

1. The history of Ife can also be chronologically divided into three periods: The first Ife was known as Ife Oodaye, Ile owuro, ibiti oju ti mo, that is, the land of most ancient days where the dawn of the day was first experienced


2.The second Ife was called Ife Ooyelagbo, that is, the city of the survivors. Tradition maintains that the second Ife lasted until the arrival of some strangers who entered the city of Ile-Ife from the “East”


3.The third Ife is called Ile-Ife founded with the arrival of Oduduwa and his groups. It is believed that Oduduwa, the founder of the Yoruba raced emerged after the deluge, he (Oduduwa) and his followers descended on to dry land by means of chain ropes from their life boat (hence the saying Oduduwa afi won ron). And later anchored on Oke-Ora (Oranfe Hill) between Ile-Ife and Itagunmodi on the Ife-Ilesa road, from where they came to Moore quarter in Ile-Ife.


Can you proof these info above as not wrong, since you believed the “authentic tradition of Yoruba", that even affirmed to the info above?
Re: Why Iwo Eleru Is Important. The Yoruba Did Not Emigrate From Mecca by OlaoChi: 12:57am On May 13, 2018
Olu317:
And what make you think the three IFE that existed, happened in Southwest Nigeria?

1. The history of Ife can also be chronologically divided into three periods: The first Ife was known as Ife Oodaye, Ile owuro, ibiti oju ti mo, that is, the land of most ancient days where the dawn of the day was first experienced


2.The second Ife was called Ife Ooyelagbo, that is, the city of the survivors. Tradition maintains that the second Ife lasted until the arrival of some strangers who entered the city of Ile-Ife from the “East”


3.The third Ife is called Ile-Ife founded with the arrival of Oduduwa and his groups. It is believed that Oduduwa, the founder of the Yoruba raced emerged after the deluge, he (Oduduwa) and his followers descended on to dry land by means of chain ropes from their life boat (hence the saying Oduduwa afi won ron). And later anchored on Oke-Ora (Oranfe Hill) between Ile-Ife and Itagunmodi on the Ife-Ilesa road, from where they came to Moore quarter in Ile-Ife.


Can you proof these info above as not wrong, since you believed the “authentic tradition of Yoruba", that even affirmed to the info above?

There is no point engaging in a baseless argument. I have read all this thrashed out on this same forum for years but it ends in the same result - Middle east connection has no basis in the traditions of the people

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Re: Why Iwo Eleru Is Important. The Yoruba Did Not Emigrate From Mecca by Olu317(m): 10:07am On May 13, 2018
OlaoChi:


There is no point engaging in a baseless argument. I have read all this thrashed out on this same forum for years but it ends in the same result - Middle east connection has no basis in the traditions of the people
Well, I agree with you if it's baseless on your part not to write anything about it because you and some other Yorubas online seem too attached to streamlining the truth about researches on Yoruba history's. Others and I have seen many names and words that do not only sound alike but same meaning which are enrooted in semitic. Such names and words that predates Islam or Christianity in Yoruba land . The Yoruba art was not like any other in West Africa. The mastery of nature's and herbology was outstanding. What about coordinated Kingly(monarchial system?) . If you don't believe and not willing do research on Yoruba, then read through a forum like this and skip to others instead of condemning researched works.Mind you ,here are some names of Semitic Origin outside many others, you probably use daily or see some youbas uses them. Even some you can't use ,except in dialects. Ponder on these and research them.

Yoruba Semitc
Àará Ar-Ra-ad Thunder
Alaaiye Al-Hayyz Alive
Àanu Hannon Mercy
Ada(mo) Adam Created from earth
Bi B Birth
Ina An-nar Fire
Odun I'd Festival
Baalè/Baalé Baal Husband/Lord overall
IFa Ephod Oracle
Ogún Og(gwg) Warrior/man of valour

Do you know Jerusalem (Ursalem) have same ancient meaning with Yoruba “Ilé osa mi"? Land of my God/ Ancestor?
Till today,the western researchers kept doing work on human possible migration pattern and human history,but here we are with someone like you refuses to explore ,every possibility of who and why Yorubas are people with such uniqueness.

Cheers

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