seguno2:


How come the north gets the most from the federation account with its 19 states, fraudulently bigger population and more LGAs even though they contribute almost zero revenue

NEPOTISM

The north does not have bigger population!

It is not statistically possible.
Nigeria cannot have up to 200 million citizens.

Why?

Lagos (our largest and most populated city) is about 21 million, right?

And port Harcourt is a known 5 million,
Let's say
Abuja has 10 million,
Onitsha has about 4 million...
Kano has 10 million (very questionable).

What's left is only 150 million
If we divide that by the remaining 32 states
We get over 4.6 million people per state...

Is that really possible?
Especially when you remember states like yobe, ekiti, Ebonyi?

Our current population figure is made up and the north are just using fake data to make fake assertions...

The north is not that populated

RealityShot:
NEPOTISM

The north does not have bigger population!

It is not statistically possible.
Nigeria cannot have up to 200 million citizens.

Why?

Lagos (our largest and most populated city) is about 21 million, right?

And port Harcourt is a known 5 million,
Let's say
Abuja has 10 million,
Onitsha has about 4 million...
Kano has 10 million (very questionable).

What's left is only 150 million
If we divide that by the remaining 32 states
We get over 4.6 million people per state...

Is that really possible?
Especially when you remember states like yobe, ekiti, Ebonyi?

Our current population figure is made up and the north are just using fake data to make fake assertions...

The north is not that populated

Kano at almost 10 million is more populated than Lagos state as per the last census of 2006.

aribisala0:
Like I saidthey are processing it already but there are limits to what they can export because some countries simply will not allow you to sell anything but cocoa beans. They come up with all kinds of obstacles and claims of quality contamination etc. Many businessmen have been frustrated and it is clear that progress cannot be made unless a deal is made with the EU who are insisting on signing agreements to allow them access to your own markets too.

Nigeria too does erect barriers to imports e.g we claim to ban rice and the want full access to our market

No one is blocked from processing cocoa but there is a huge block in selling because SOMEBODY is doing that processing today and once you start you become competitors. The question is who is that somebody and how powerful arethey inthose countries

Nigeria has never had a good track record complying with standards and our products often fail on hygiene and contamination grounds.

I remember issues with beans a few years ago.

Cocoa can be processed but this takes effort ,indeed we could grow our local consumption but again this is better done by a big company that is truly Nigerian not the likes of Nestle

Our work ethics must drastically improve.

seguno2:


Kano at almost 10 million is more populated than Lagos state as per the last census of 2006.

on their paper.
In reality?

aribisala0:
Like I saidthey are processing it already but there are limits to what they can export because some countries simply will not allow you to sell anything but cocoa beans. They come up with all kinds of obstacles and claims of quality contamination etc. Many businessmen have been frustrated and it is clear that progress cannot be made unless a deal is made with the EU who are insisting on signing agreements to allow them access to your own markets too.

Nigeria too does erect barriers to imports e.g we claim to ban rice and the want full access to our market

No one is blocked from processing cocoa but there is a huge block in selling because SOMEBODY is doing that processing today and once you start you become competitors. The question is who is that somebody and how powerful arethey inthose countries

Nigeria has never had a good track record complyng with standards and our products often fail on hygiene and contamination grounds.

I remember issues with beans a few years ago.

Cocoa can be processed but this takes effort ,indeed we could grow our local consumption but again this is better done by a big company that is truly Nigerian not the likes of Nestle

who is consuming the soybean powder we are producing?

Is it a must to sell to EU?
We have a local market here that will not reject our products.

To he'll with foreign companies like nestle! If we buy the technology and make local machines available like in the palm oil industry, EU will beg us to export powder to us and they won't get any!

I fact, as I speak, I remember testing a product recently. It was pure cocoa powder. It was not made by nestle. I didn't check the name though.

We need more of that! And if the governor will encourage his people by buying the equipments and making local copies to make it cheaper, our cocoa industry will boom!

If you want you can learn how to make chocolate online and just buy raw cocoa and make to your taste.

Phew! Nigeria needs re-orientation

RealityShot:
on their paper.
In reality?

Sorry sir, but the 2006 is our (Nigerian) paper.
If southerners are not happy with it, they know what to do.

RealityShot:
who is consuming the soybean powder we are producing?

Is it a must to sell to EU?
We have a local market here that will not reject our products.

To he'll with foreign companies like nestle! If we buy the technology and make local machines available like in the palm oil industry, EU will beg us to export powder to us and they won't get any!

I fact, as I speak, I remember testing a product recently. It was pure cocoa powder. It was not made by nestle. I didn't check the name though.

We need more of that! And if the governor will encourage his people by buying the equipments and making local copies to make it cheaper, our cocoa industry will boom!

If you want you can learn how to make chocolate online and just buy raw cocoa and make to your taste.

Phew! Nigeria needs re-orientation

Good question for paradigm shift.
Cheers bro.

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RealityShot:
who is consuming the soybean powder we are producing?

Is it a must to sell to EU?
We have a local market here that will not reject our products.

To he'll with foreign companies like nestle! If we buy the technology and make local machines available like in the palm oil industry, EU will beg us to export powder to us and they won't get any!

I fact, as I speak, I remember testing a product recently. It was pure cocoa powder. It was not made by nestle. I didn't check the name though.

We need more of that! And if the governor will encourage his people by buying the equipments and making local copies to make it cheaper, our cocoa industry will boom!

If you want you can learn how to make chocolate online and just buy raw cocoa and make to your taste.

Phew! Nigeria needs re-orientation

No it is not a must to sell to EU what do you suggest.

Nigeria is You.Start with yourself first that is where to begin the reorientation

How many machines have you bought?Talk is cheap. Is it their teeth they would use to buy machine People have bought and been buying machines and are processing but there is no market access.

Relatively speaking Ivory Coast and Ghana are much bigger producers but still they cannot get access.

To hell with Nestle is cheap talk. What is the action point

aribisala0:
No it is not a must to sell to EU what do you suggest.

Nigeria is You.Start with yourself first that is where to begin the reorientation

How many machines have you bought?Talk is cheap. Is it their teeth they would use to buy machine People have bought and been buying machines and are processing but there is no market access.

Relatively speaking Ivory Coast and Ghana are much bigger producers but still they cannot get access.

To hell with Nestle is cheap talk. What is the action point

this man!

Do you know how much one of those machines cost? I know.

Several millions.. Google it.

Then installation costs and land.

I dont have the funds.

Do you know that a foreign palm oil pressing machine is over N5million?
But because the government bought it and copied it locally,
Today you can build a mill with just a little over N 1Million.

That is what am suggesting that governor should try and do..

I dont have cocoa here.. It's palm we have here.

It is excessive craving for foreign exchange that is crippling our minds! But just look at Dangote!

Who is consuming all that his selling to become the 66th most influential person in the world with a net worth of $13 billion?

RealityShot:
this man!

Do you know how much one of those machines cost? I know.

Several millions.. Google it.

Then installation costs and land.

I dont have the funds.

Do you know that a foreign palm oil pressing machine is over N5million?
But because the government bought it and copied it locally,
Today you can build a mill with just a little over N 1Million.

That is what am suggesting that governor should try and do..

I dont have cocoa here.. It's palm we have here.

It is excessive craving for foreign exchange that is crippling our minds! But just look at Dangote!

Who is consuming all that his selling to become the 66th most influential person in the world with a net worth of $13 billion?

governorshould not do anything.

our business people need to consolidate their efforts and stop operating as one man shows.

our history shows that when governors are involved the process is corrupted.
We need to start setting up companies as collaboration anddevelopthe discipline that that entails.

Businessmen raiding a company's accounts for burial ceremony funds is not the way forward.

We are also talking a country with interest rates> 20% . That is where government can do something let us have 5% interest rates for business in Nigeria not government doing what businesses should do


The main problem we have is a lack of concentration of capital

When an industry requires $5o billionand we are operating with 1 billion naira it shows we are joking.


The world is a competitive place. If we want to take over chocolates in the world WE CAN.but we must have a PLAN and we must invest serious money

So your problem is you do not have funds but every otherperson lacks orientation?

na only you get orientation?

People wey get orientation before dem born you don die finish.

Every business is good when you have pepper

aribisala0:


governorshould not do anything.

our business people need to consolidate their efforts and stop operating as one man shows.

our history shows that when governors are involved the process is corrupted.
We need to start setting up companies as collaboration anddevelopthe discipline that that entails.

Businessmen raiding a company's accounts for burial ceremony funds is not the way forward.

We are also talking a country with interest rates> 20% . That is where government can do something let us have 5% interest rates for business in Nigeria not government doing what businesses should do


The main problem we have is a lack of concentration of capital

When an industry requires $5o billionand we are operating with 1 billion naira it shows we are joking.


The world is a competitive place. If we want to take over chocolates in the world WE CAN.but we must have a PLAN and we must invest serious money

So your problem is you do not have funds but every otherperson lacks orientation?

na only you get orientation?

People wey get orientation before dem born you don die finish.

Every business is good when you have pepper

Well..
You seem to waver from capitalism to socialism.
I stand with socialism till we can get suitable government foundations (like 5% interest rates you spoke of) capitalism will not be easy for small businesses and intending entrepreneurs.

As I speak, am gathering funds to build my palm Plantation.
It's not easy because I dare not take loans from anywhere.

Merging with others is something have tried and it has failed often enough that I leave to others to try.

Personally, I believe without the enabling environment or special windfall of funds, no middle class or lower individual can boost any industry.

Dangote was funded by someone (an uncle).

If the 3-4 senators in oyo state, for example, were to bring their N500 million constituency development funds together for just 1year; I am sure cocoa processing will become international standard in a few months.

I rest my case

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aribisala0:
It is not as simple as that. The chocolate market is in the EU and the US and the value added sector is dominated by multinationals like Nestle and Kraft which owns Cadbury. They dominate the market with established brands and market power.
Mars ,Snickers,KitKat etc arerecognizable brands that have been around for generations. We could try China but even they would rather add value themselves

The reality is non-EU or non-US businesses stand no chance of entering those market without those countries/blocs demanding access to our markets and throwing up hurdles.

Besides who has the markket power? Chocolate making is easy but having dominant brands is not easy.
It is not for small players but I believe a Dangote can succeed and even has the capital to acquire existing players

What if we start small, local production and consumption. Cheap cocoa/chocolate drinks for West Africa for starters and a little bit of chocolate which increases as demand for it increases.

We currently import unknown chocolate brands from God knows where. I see them everywhere, no English on them. Mainly Arabic and some French. One of them is called Roxy or Roxxy, if I remember correctly, 50 bucks a bar. I believe we can do better than that until we attain KitKat or Bounty status.

If this report is true; kudos to the Federal govt. We seriously need to diversify our economy.

lobell:


What if we start small, local production and consumption. Cheap cocoa/chocolate drinks for West Africa for starters and a little bit of chocolate which increases as demand for it increases.

We currently import unknown chocolate brands from God knows where. I see them everywhere, no English on them. Mainly Arabic and some French. One of them is called Roxy or Roxxy, if I remember correctly, 50 bucks a bar. I believe we can do better than that until we attain KitKat or Bounty status.

Cote d'Ivoire already produces many times more cocoa than us still they are stuck as commodity sellers with no access for value addition. I believe a solution is possible and yes we can grow our own consumption but there is no escaping the need for capital to be competitive.

Ofodirinwa:
Notice how the north always says they feed nigeria but all of our exports are southern products? In fact we didn't start exporting rice until southerners got serious about it. Don't let anyone fool you about northern nigeria. Nothing is happening there.

Your problem is hunger, if you eat well you would definitely know where the food is grown.

lovelygurl:


Not really. We aren't able to process it. We export to import. Same thing with oil, which is why although Nigeria exports a lot of oil, it's still expensive to buy.

Thank you for this. We benefit more and generate more revenue and employment when we add value to agricultural exports

aribisala0:


There is no need to fabricate stupid stories.
The UK stopped Norway from bringing in stockfish

Already I can tell your age.Stockfish issomething that Nigerians started imported majorly in the 70s not before


Secondly WHY would Britain block Norway when Britain itself was providng food aid to Biafra?Have you got any evidence for this bizarre claim

Stockfish was first imported at the end of slavery in southeast Nigeria you needledicked fool lol. Are you just misspelling and fuming because you're passionate about the internet or do you really want to have a discussion about this?

If I present evidence, you buffalo, will you agree to post a picture of your mother?
Because otherwise you can google it

martineverest:
keep fooling urself. . I'm from Edo state ...I can tell u that northerners have taken over agriculture in Edo state and neighboring states

Edo people are lazy though, so you can't speak for the south

abokibuhari:
How does this rubbish benefits the common man on the street

Useless statistics

he is paid dollars for his cocoa. how is this eluding you?

Ofodirinwa:
Notice how the north always says they feed nigeria but all of our exports are southern products? In fact we didn't start exporting rice until southerners got serious about it. Don't let anyone fool you about northern nigeria. Nothing is happening there.

you export 10 Naira you eat 100 Naira
do you eat exports how many cocoa or palm oyel you don chop bfor.

lobell:
It is such a pity that after so many years we are still content to export cocoa for peanuts and still make noise about it, when we could be exporting chocolate and cocoa drinks and make mega bucks but 'whosai'? Who cares about chocolate when we have 'oyel' money.

The technology for converting cocoa to chocolate is out there. All we need is one governor from the Southwest that has 'shikini' sense to invest in a chocolate factory and we are all set to make mega millions. But, they'll all rather line up every second Wednesday at the FEC to share national cake. Such a pity.

what stopping u from running for governor

Thanks for useful statistic highlighted