Afam4eva:
Are you referring to Emeka Esogbue? What embarrassment was that? I know Emeka has been more into Anioma stuff than Igbo stuff that he used to be pre-occupied with.

olisaokere:

Esogbue was pro igbo unity not until he got influenced by the Anti igbo bigots.So i wont be surprised if he comes out to say he is no longer igbo but that wouldnt bother me anyways.For most of us who know who we are cant be influenced and can never deny our Igbo Origin.

Afam4eva:
I used to follow Emeka when he was writing pro-Igbo articles but recently, he resents anything Igbo. You'll hardly hear him mention Igbo in his articles.

olisaokere:

Esogbue was pro igbo unity not until he got influenced by the Anti igbo bigots.So i wont be surprised if he comes out to say he is no longer igbo but that wouldnt bother me anyways.For most of us who know who we are cant be influenced and can never deny our Igbo Origin.

bigfrancis21: Agbontaen, you've made your point countlessly that your family descent is Bini, with no tinge of Igbo whatsoever. Agreed. Why then are you dragging the whole of Ika people into your penchant for separatedness? Have you failed to realize that many other Ikas like you have Igbo surnames and first names, Igbo ancestors and no bini ancestors whatsoever and trace their ancestry back to Igbo founding fathers from Nri? Does this fact skip your mind or you choose to play conspicuously blind to this fact?

Have you also failed to realize that the number of Ikas with Bini surnames and ancestry are smaller in ratio compared to Ikas with Igbo ancestry?

And do you also realize that any Ika with bini surname had his first father/ancestor who migrated from Bini land to settle in Ika land to meet Igbo-speaking Ikas there already?

Have you chosen to play blind to the fact that Bini-name-bearing people are migrants to Delta Igbo land just as the olukumis and Ebus of Igala are too? That bini-ikas share the same status with olukumis and Ebus as foreigners?

Are you also aware that many Ikas see themselves as Igbo? Wizboy for example? Igbodos and Ekwuomas too?

Also, why are you very obsessed with this Ika drop down mentality? Do you realize that all your posts from the first day you created this account of yours(august 2010) to this very day(dec 2013) have all been on this thread? You've never posted on any other thread of a different topic before, neither have you opened any thread of your own discussing an entirely different topic. For the last 3 years, you've been commenting only on this particular thread. Isn't this clearly an obsession gone extreme?

You are clearly obsessed with this issue and also enjoying the massive attention you're receiving from this argument going back and forth. The best solution is to end this argument while you take your Ika mentality with you to somewhere else to whoever that cares to listen.

agbotaen: 1. for igbo propagandists on this net , ika nation has never claimed that they are benin people and neither have we claimed to be igbos , it is igbos that are making claims as to why they believe ika is igbo or should be igbo.
2. ika nation is an ethnic group just like igbo or yoruba we are not igbo and we are not benin , we are ika, i always repeat this fact but it seems many[b] igbos are daft or just plain ignorant[/b] , and your hatred of benin will do you know good , as benin empire has more recognition than any igbo kingdo or community , so please learn to respect people

Pharoh:

I don't know why the highlighted facts above always eludes you guys and if there are actually people from Ika nation that claims to igbo then let them come to this thread to defend themselves. Why are people who are not from Ika land so concerned about Ika people, leave the Ikas who claim to be igbos to defend themselves while you mind your business.

That is how someone claim that it is only the ones who deny their igbo identity that you will find on facebook and other created groups. So i ask that if they are in minority then is it not a shame that that the majority who claim to be igbos cannot even create a facebook page and claim that aniomas are igbos. All the groups you see on facebook and all over the internet always claim pro anioma, pro Ika and Pro ndokwa so where is this fathom aniomas that claim to be igbos. Why don't you ask those that claim that they are from anioma and igbos to tell you which online groups they belong to that claim to be igbos.

Stop the obsession with anioma people and let them be, let them decide whatever they want to be and you guys should mind your business seriously. You don't see yoruba people getting obsessed about their brothers in delta, kwara or kogi but it is different from you guys and i just wonder why.

agbotaen: 1. learn to appreciate others , and learn to say the truth , igbos surely took kingship from other people , it is the british that introduced the igbos to warrant chiefs that later turned to kings , and even many communities in igboland that did not have kings are now having , his royal majesties.
2. it was due to the absence of a central authority in igboland unlike the hausa land that have been influenced by islamic monarchy that the british formed warrant chiefs in the east.

agbotaen: 2. igbos were not known to have kings in the past but now all their villages are now quashi kingdoms , and they are cannot tell us that they borrowed kingship from ika/ bini people.

Igbo communities and area governments were overwhelmingly ruled solely by a consultative assembly of the common people. Communities were usually governed and administered by a council of elders.

Although title holders were respected because of their accomplishments and capabilities, they were never revered as kings, but often performed special functions given to them by such assemblies. This way of governing was immensely different from most other communities of Western Africa, and only shared by the Ewe of Ghana.

agbotaen:
finally the first names that umunede kingdom was called was ukpehoro kingdom and later it was changed to umunede , ukpehoro primary school is in umunede as a testimony and that is purely an edo name .

If this is true, I must say Igbos are greater people than I initially imagined. The supposedly relatively less organized, less powerful people not only revolutionized the language and culture of the supposedly more organized, more powerful ones but also changed their place names. Their king(s) could/ would not object to this and the "favour" wasn't returned? These we managed without kings of our own? We truly are great.

some-girl:


If this is true, I must say Igbos are greater people than I initially imagined. The supposedly relatively less organized, less powerful people not only revolutionized the language and culture of the supposedly more organized, more powerful ones but also changed their place names. Their king(s) could/ would not object to this and the "favour" wasn't returned? These we managed without kings of our own? We truly are great.

Andre Uweh:
Your post above shows that you have not read through this this thread from the mmalite. Ikas who are proud Igbo have bben here long and made their mark unlike your hero who has for the past one year been repeating himself. Very shameful.

Pharoh:

I don't know why the highlighted facts above always eludes you guys and if there are actually people from Ika nation that claims to igbo then let them come to this thread to defend themselves. Why are people who are not from Ika land so concerned about Ika people, leave the Ikas who claim to be igbos to defend themselves while you mind your business.

That is how someone claim that it is only the ones who deny their igbo identity that you will find on facebook and other created groups. So i ask that if they are in minority then is it not a shame that that the majority who claim to be igbos cannot even create a facebook page and claim that aniomas are igbos. All the groups you see on facebook and all over the internet always claim pro anioma, pro Ika and Pro ndokwa so where is this fathom aniomas that claim to be igbos. Why don't you ask those that claim that they are from anioma and igbos to tell you which online groups they belong to that claim to be igbos.

Stop the obsession with anioma people and let them be, let them decide whatever they want to be and you guys should mind your business seriously. You don't see yoruba people getting obsessed about their brothers in delta, kwara or kogi but it is different from you guys and i just wonder why.

Pharoh: This is a recent research from an academic who i believe is from south eastern Nigeria and she has accurately divided the so called igbo nationality into its constituent units that breaks down to 14 different groups. Each of this groups are separate languages and is the basis for forming separate ethnic groups unlike the notion that igbo is one ethnic group and over 800 laughable dialects.

http://www.rogerblench.info/Language/Niger-Congo/VN/Igboid/Comparative%20Igboid%20complete.pdf

The other research that divided them into five cluster group should be the basis for forming autonomous states or regions and this is a clear indication that the anioma movement is valid as it was rightly identified as western igbo from that research.

some-girl:




Igbos in the south east didn't have kings/ monarchs at the time the Europeans came. There is a reason for the old saying "Igbo enweghi Eze".
If everyone around us including Benin, Kalabari, Efik/ Ibibio with whom we had dealings from time immemorial had kings, do you not think there is a reason we opted for a democratic government where the people governed the people rather than monarchy? Kingship wasn't alien to us, probably something we'd practised initially and decided it wasn't for us.
I personally don't see anything wonderful about having/ having had a king. I prefer the south eastern system of government, which was more effective. We didn't have many Igbos fleeing their lands for fear of a ruler like Binis did as I've gathered from the numerous accounts of Bini migration.





Ours was/ is a unique system. We've practised democracy for centuries, something Nigeria is struggling to get the hang of. It takes a great deal of organization and civilization to maintain such a system. It is a lot easier to comply with laws/ orders created by a ruler imposed on you than with laws/ orders created by an ordinary man such as yourself.
The Brits who supposedly introduced kingship to us now use our style of governance where they have several MPs, ordinary people elected by the people.The queen of England's role is now just ceremonial.
What does one need Obis, Obas etc who were stripped of their powers by a foreign queen for?
Quit going on and on about kingship like it's something to be especially proud of.

Pharoh:

I don't know why the highlighted facts above always eludes you guys and if there are actually people from Ika nation that claims to igbo then let them come to this thread to defend themselves. Why are people who are not from Ika land so concerned about Ika people, leave the Ikas who claim to be igbos to defend themselves while you mind your business.

That is how someone claim that it is only the ones who deny their igbo identity that you will find on facebook and other created groups. So i ask that if they are in minority then is it not a shame that that the majority who claim to be igbos cannot even create a facebook page and claim that aniomas are igbos. All the groups you see on facebook and all over the internet always claim pro anioma, pro Ika and Pro ndokwa so where is this fathom aniomas that claim to be igbos. Why don't you ask those that claim that they are from anioma and igbos to tell you which online groups they belong to that claim to be igbos.

Stop the obsession with anioma people and let them be, let them decide whatever they want to be and you guys should mind your business seriously. You don't see yoruba people getting obsessed about their brothers in delta, kwara or kogi but it is different from you guys and i just wonder why.

Afam4eva: I think the only reason why this argument is moving non-stop is because you guys have always put Anioma in one bracket. We have to speak on the specific groups that makeup Anioma or Delta-Igbo. The Aniocha people don't have a problem with their Igbo identity. Those that deny their Igbo identity from Aniocha are in the minority. It's mostly people from Ika and Ukwuani that have a problem with the Igbo identity but there are still people from those parts who are proud Igbop and right here in the forum, we have the likes of One_Naira, wesley, Ify_angela etc. I think we should seize from describing Igboship from a territorial point of view but from a personal point of view. There are proud Igbos in ikwerre, ika, Ukwuani, Ndoni etc and also people who don't see themselves as Igbos.

Pharoh:

This post sums it all up except the part of locating where majority is and where the minority proponent is but i consign this post fully. Those who claim to be non igbos from ukwuani and Ika have absolutely nothing against igbo people and see them as brothers so there is no strife at all. Those that want to live their life as ukwuani, anioma, igbo or Ika are free to do so and it doesn't stop or affect the brotherhood that exist between them. No ukwuani man has ever told an aniocha man that he is not igbo, we respect their choice as long as they respect our own choice too, life is about live and let live. Well with this your all encompassing post, there is nothing much to say here and those who are still troubled by their ignorance can carry on with the campaign.

agbotaen: 1. fallacy number one , ika believe they are igbos , but in 1967 , they declared they were not igbos and assisted in chasing biafra from ika land , is that not a shame on igbo propagandists.
2.. i make bold to say that over 95 percent of ika people have a benin surname , even if right now their names are okafor chika , if you go back to their grand fathers name it will be benin that is a fact that cannot be changed with igbo lies ,
examples , the father of the dein of agbor was ikenchuku gbenoba -that means ikenchukus father was named gbenoba , the present dein of agbor is benjamin ikenchuku kiagborekuzi gbenoba , and this grand father was aigbobu , so if you go way back , you will meet a benin name .
2. the present obi of igbodo is osedume , but his father was albert iyeke , and that is a benin name , their family name is iyeke,
3. the obi of akumazi is steven osagie , because his father was called osagie , that is their family name and its a benin name .
4. the obi of abavo is uche irenuma jegbefume , that is their family name and his grand father was ekhator jegbefume and that is a benin name
5. the obi of owa is called emmanuel efeizomor obaigbena , his immediate father was efeizomor and his grand father was obaigbena and obaigbenas father was okundaiye and okundaiyes father was igbeoba , whose father was ose whose father was orghogbua and all benin names ,

6. jim ovia
7. nduka irabor
8. nduka obaigbena
9. steve omojafor
10. nick aigbogun
11. joe orewa
13. prof. osabouohien ,
14. ogbemudia osaigbovou
15. anthony omordia
16. sunday usifor ,
17. vicotor eboigbe
18. chief okunbor
19. aimonagbone anthony
20 . nocolas okoh , orogodo

these are all ika prominent ikas with benin surnames .

so please igbo propagandists try and check your facts before you say it as i make bold to say again that if an ika man is named okafor okechukwu , if you go back to his grand father you will meet with a benin /ishan name .


3. ika people in their majority are not concerned with what igbos say infact that is their business , ika has ogua/onu ika and that is mouth piece for all ika nation and not any igbo group , infact majority of ika people are not part of ohaneze ndigbo or any igbo ethnic meetings and i dont know why the igbos want to die for what is not their business , ika is a seperate ethnic group and so shall it be amen , infact we are compilling our dictionary right now and by 2016 , ika language will be taught at college of education in agbor , so igbos can keep propagating their false hood about ika , and mind you igbo was formed by british , so those who like that union should keep it , ika people dont want to be part of that union and we have never been part of that union all we want to be is ika , not benin and not igbo , but plain ika.
4. if you know the similarities between ika and igbo tell me and i will also tell you hundred differences between ika and igbos .
5. yes igbos dont have kings but now all igbo villages are now kingdoms ruled by his royal majesty , you copied kingship from others so please acknowledge and if your former no king practice was better , why did all your villages and towns change to kingship ?
6. it is from igbodo and ekwuoma that you will see some people who claim to be igbos that is very ok for them , but their problem is that they are in small minority and they cant sway majority of ika people and that was why when ika people rose up from a meeting in 1967 they declared that ika is an ethnic group like igbos or yoruba and that ika is not part of igbo and that ended the problem .and up till date ika people resolved never to be part of any igbo ethnic organisation , that is why you can not see a bonafide ika man in ohaneze ndigbo.
7. to resolve the propagadist of igbo extraction who always say gibrish , for your information , it was the obi of owa , efeizomor emmanuel who really , along with other ika obi , like agbor , umunede, abavo and others who helped nigeria army to uproot igbos from ika land or have you not read where the obi said , biafra declared him wanted dead or alive ?
2. are you not aware that general muritala mohammed lived in owa during the civil war and formed a bond with owa people and was giving the title of ojeba of owa kingdom by obi efeizomor ?
3. owa is a heterogenous kingdom and all the people did not come from the same place , as they came from benin , ishan , ora, ndokwa, igbo and agbor and other places , however our tradition and oral history tells us that adagba came from ikoha in ovia in benin to found owa in ofien , and ugbasogun came from benin also to found owa-ekei , while benin/ishan founded owa- oyibu , and later people came from ute-okpu who migrated from partly nri in anambra and edo areas and later edogun/odogun became first obi of a unified owa kingdom.
however the intelligence reports of british in 1913 and 1927 stated that owa origin has dual influence of both edo and igbo origin .and these people that came from different places lived together and have formed the owa/ika ethnicity .
infact the founder of owa-alero town in owa kingdom was omi eborwise from agbor royal family and later others came and also ndokwa and ishans came too , and other ika people like from otolokpo and ute too .
4. any way we are about to celebrate a festival called igue which links us to edos ,

finally to igbo people who are either daft or some where in between ooooo,
ika is neither igbo or benin , we are ika

Pharoh: ^^

Get a grip of yourself as we are done here and afam gave a very befitting statement to the issue so go find something else to do with your time.