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lol, since you can't counter any arguments, I'll post me a cartoon too. Presenting BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCEEEEEEEEEEEE WAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

na na na na na na na na na na na na na na BATMAN!!!!!!!

Na naa na na na I can't hear you!

Martian:

Na naa na na na  I can't hear you!

It seems you're on to something here with your tactics.

He posted three nonsensical cartoons after I said the constituition is not based on the bible, explained how teaching ID will be a violation of the church and state separation and how a lack of education and economics are mostly responsible for crime. I also stated the fact that most criminals in this country are religious and how he can't blame a single topic in biology for that.
So i decided to let my inner child come out and play, hence the cartoon and poster lol.

This is an excerpt of what Abraham Lincoln said of America's suicidal tendencies.

What a profound statement! If America is to be destroyed, it won't be from without, but from within. And that is exactly what is happening today. No, we don't have the mob law problem that Lincoln saw, but we do have a VERY SIMILAR problem.

Sadly, in this nation, our generations are being educated by a humanist education system, with the underlying philosophy that we are all animals in the struggle for survival. Prayer and the Bible have been all but removed from public education. No longer are students taught that there is a Creator who made the world and everything therein and therefore owns the creation, including us.

People today, by and large, no longer believe in the absolutes of right and wrong that come from the foundation of law in the Holy Scripture. No longer do most people understand sin and thus the rebellion in human hearts. No longer do they understand our accountability to the One who created us

http://www.icr.org/article/america-committing-suicide/

Lol, well ol' honest Abe also said at one point that if he could save the union without freeing a single slave, he would.

Societies evolve, knowledge become more abundant and you can't expect humanity to stay stagnant and hold onto outdated beliefs not rooted in reality. The bible's truths are just as "absolute" as the quran's, tiara, the book of the dead and every other religious holy book humans have come up with but that doesn't mean they are not full of bigoted and outrageous claims and lies. This is the 21st century, leave all " holy scripture" in the middle ages where they belong.

OLAADEGBU it seems you've chosen to either keep lying in a much worse manner by attributing statements to Lincoln which he never made or you are unable to read and understand English. You claimed Lincoln made the statement below.

OLAADEGBU:

This is an excerpt of what Abraham Lincoln said of America's suicidal tendencies.

What a profound statement! If America is to be destroyed, it won't be from without, but from within. And that is exactly what is happening today. No, we don't have the mob law problem that Lincoln saw, but we do have a VERY SIMILAR problem.

Sadly, in this nation, our generations are being educated by a humanist education system, with the underlying philosophy that we are all animals in the struggle for survival. Prayer and the Bible have been all but removed from public education. No longer are students taught that there is a Creator who made the world and everything therein and therefore owns the creation, including us.

People today, by and large, no longer believe in the absolutes of right and wrong that come from the foundation of law in the Holy Scripture. No longer do most people understand sin and thus the rebellion in human hearts. No longer do they understand our accountability to the One who created us

http://www.icr.org/article/america-committing-suicide/

But from the site you posted, these are the quotes made by Lincoln.

Lincoln (from icr.org article):

"When men take it in their heads today to hang gamblers or burn murderers, they should recollect that in the confusion usually attending such transactions, they will be as likely to hang or burn someone who is neither a gambler nor a murderer. The innocent, those who have ever set their faces against violations of law in every shape, alike with the guilty, fall victims to the ravages of mob law."

". . .the lawless in spirit are encouraged to become lawless in practice; and having been used to no restraint, but dread of punishment, they thus become absolutely unrestrained. Having ever regarded Government as their deadliest bane, they make a jubilee of the suspension of its operations; and pray for nothing so much as its total annihilation."

"How, then, shall we perform it? At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it? Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.

"At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction were our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide."

"How shall we fortify against it? The answer is simple. Let every American, every lover of liberty, every well-wisher to his posterity, swear by the blood of the Revolution never to violate in the least particular, the laws of the country; and never to tolerate their violation by others, Let reverence for the laws be breathed by every American mother to the lisping babe that prattles on her lap—let it be taught in schools, in seminaries, and in colleges; let it be preached from the pulpit, proclaimed in legislative halls, and enforced in courts of justice. And, in short, let it become the political religion of the nation."

"Upon these let the proud fabric of freedom rest as the rock of its basis: And as truly as has been said of the only greater institution, "the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.'"

"At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. . . . We must ourselves be its author and finisher."

This is besides the fact that the article contains several lies and fallacies that I could observe from just glancing at it to extract the above quotes. Are these the sort of simplistic lies and poor reasoning that guide your judgement on your beliefs? This is terrible.
So tell me were you unable to understand the article and distinguish between Lincoln's statements and those of the author? I used to think anyone with an above secondary school level of command in the English Language would know that when others are being quoted, these quotes generally appear in quotation marks. i.e (" ".

Is it just blatant lying or your actual ignorance that caused such an error?

Martian:

Lol, well ol' honest Abe also said at one point that if he could save the union without freeing a single slave, he would.

Societies evolve, knowledge become more abundant and you can't expect humanity to stay stagnant and hold onto outdated beliefs not rooted in reality. The bible's truths are just as "absolute" as the quran's, tiara, the book of the dead and every other religious holy book humans have come up with but that doesn't mean they are not full of bigoted and outrageous claims and lies. This is the 21st century, leave all " holy scripture" in the middle ages where they belong.

Be careful of accepting OLAADEGBU's claims. He was actually just lying above. He made up that entire quote and placed it in Lincoln's mouth. A simple lookup gives the lie to his statement.

Martian:

He posted three nonsensical cartoons after I said the constituition is not based on the bible, explained how teaching ID will be a violation of the church and state separation and how a lack of education and economics are mostly responsible for crime. I also stated the fact that most criminals in this country are religious and how he can't blame a single topic in biology for that.
So i decided to let my inner child come out and play, hence the cartoon and poster lol.

Yeah I saw your posts. Maybe I'll also add some cartoons to my posts too.

thehomer:

Be careful of accepting OLAADEGBU's claims. He was actually just lying above. He made up that entire quote and placed it in Lincoln's mouth. A simple lookup gives the lie to his statement.

You're right, but the guy almost deifies Lincoln to some extent, I just had to tell him, the guy wasn't the saint he makes him out to be. It reminds me of how conservatives over here treat Ronald Reagan.

Martian:

Lol, well ol' honest Abe also said at one point that if he could save the union without freeing a single slave, he would.

honest Abe said that to keep the union together. It is on record that he had the agenda of freeing the slaves as they done in the north.

Martian:

Societies evolve, knowledge become more abundant and you can't expect humanity to stay stagnant and hold onto outdated beliefs not rooted in reality. The bible's truths are just as "absolute" as the quran's, tiara, the book of the dead and every other religious holy book humans have come up with but that doesn't mean they are not full of bigoted and outrageous claims and lies. This is the 21st century, leave all " holy scripture" in the middle ages where they belong.

Abe predicted what would happen if the country continued to press the self destruct botton and he not proved right?

thehomer:

OLAADEGBU it seems you've chosen to either keep lying in a much worse manner by attributing statements to Lincoln which he never made or you are unable to read and understand English. You claimed Lincoln made the statement below.
http://www.icr.org/article/america-committing-suicide/
But from the site you posted, these are the quotes made by Lincoln.
This is besides the fact that the article contains several lies and fallacies that I could observe from just glancing at it to extract the above quotes. Are these the sort of simplistic lies and poor reasoning that guide your judgement on your beliefs? This is terrible.
So tell me were you unable to understand the article and distinguish between Lincoln's statements and those of the author? I used to think anyone with an above secondary school level of command in the English Language would know that when others are being quoted, these quotes generally appear in quotation marks. i.e (" ".
Is it just blatant lying or your actual ignorance that caused such an error?

I thought you had sworn not to read my links, have you gone against your own words? How did you know that the article was written based on what Abraham Lincoln said if not through the link I posted? You even shoot yourself in the foot by using God's absolute to make your own moral judgment, whose absolute is it not to tell lies? I thought you said everyone is entitled to his own opinion of what is right and wrong why are you using God's moral absolute that we should not tell lies to judge others? It would be better for you to read the Bible often so you would be aware of whose character you are imbibing because there is a bible character who is known as the accuser of the brethren who accuses Christians night and day before God. This is the character you are portraying if you don't know by accusing christians of lying when you don't even believe in the maker of such absolute. Do you even know what it means to lie? have you answered those questions I asked you? Why run from pillar to post instead of answering important questions? Even though you run from God's moral Law your conscience is there to prick you and this would not lie to you even if you are determined to lie to yourself. God's moral Law brings your dead conscience to life and you will have to answer them sooner or later.

OLAADEGBU:

I thought you had sworn not to read my links, have you gone against your own words?  How did you know that the article was written based on what Abraham Lincoln said if not through the link I posted?

And you further compound your lies with more lies? Where did I swear that I would not read your links? Even if I did, does that then mean that you should lie to support your arguments? You need to repent. Ask forgiveness from those of us that you've lied to.

OLAADEGBU:

You even shoot yourself in the foot by using God's absolute to make your own moral judgment, whose absolute is it not to tell lies?  I thought you said everyone is entitled to his own opinion of what is right and wrong why are you using God's moral absolute that we should not tell lies to judge others?

There are no moral absolutes. Do you think it is right for Christians to deliberately mislead people? If you think God's laws are absolute, then do you support slavery? If you don't, you are disobeying your God. Do you support murder for changing ones religion or for ones homosexual relatives? If you don't, you are also disobeying your God.

OLAADEGBU:

It would be better for you to read the Bible often so you would be aware of whose character you are imbibing because there is a bible character who is known as the accuser of the brethren who accuses Christians night and day before God.  This is the character you are portraying if you don't know by accusing christians of lying when you don't even believe in the maker of such absolute.  Do you even know what it means to lie?

Now you accuse me of being your "accuser"? Wow. What makes you think you can turn this around on me? Please answer this with a yes or no. Were you lying when you misquoted Abraham Lincoln?
Do you wish to discuss on morality? If you do, please open another thread rather than trying to use it to distract people following this one.

OLAADEGBU:

have you answered those questions I asked you?  Why run from pillar to post instead of answering important questions?  Even though you run from God's moral Law your conscience is there to prick you and this would not lie to you even if you are determined to lie to yourself.  God's moral Law brings your dead conscience to life and you will have to answer them sooner or later.

Has your conscience been pricked? Is that why rather than either accepting your ignorance or lying, you're trying to shift the blame? This is a sign of pride. You're just making things worse for yourself. I'll advice you to honestly answer these questions.

OLAADEGBU:

If your conscience still speaks to you then answer and compare these questions with the ethics or standards and that is if you can still hear your conscience speak.

Have I always loved God my Creator with all my heart, mind, soul and strength?  ____YES  ___NO 
Have I made a god in my own image? a god to suit myself?  ____YES  ___NO 
Have I ever used God's name in vain?   ____YES  ___NO
Have I kept the Sabbath holy?  ____YES  ___NO 
Have I always honoured my parents implicitly?  ____YES  ___NO 
Have I murdered (God considers hatred, abortion and euthanasia as murder)?  ____YES  ___NO 
Have I committed adultery (including premarital sex and lust)?  ____YES  ___NO 
Have I stolen (the value is irrelevant)?  ____YES  ___NO 
Have I lied (including fibs and these questions)?  ____YES  ___NO 
Have I coveted (been greedy or materialistic)?  ____YES  ___NO

And this question too. It seems you forgot to include it.
Have I borne false-witness? ____YES _____NO

(Emphasis mine)
It seems you're in more need of answering the above questions to evaluate your conscience than I am.

I swear if this hits 15 pages without a stalemate or win. i will sue

lagerwhenindoubt:

I swear if this hits 15 pages without a stalemate or win. i will sue

All olaadegbu has to say is that he is not well versed in the constituition and laws of the U.S. All he has to do is stick to his bible and realize that this is not a theocracy. Some people do not need a bible or want anything to do with Christianity. Simple.
The weird thing about this is the fact that he says he lives in the U.K but he has his panties in a bunch about what the president of the U.S does to protect his citizens. He's probably a Nigerian born British citizen who needs to complain about the queen, MPs or whatever it is you can biitch about in England.

I have an idea, biitch about Darwin's image on British currency! After all, evolution is a myth

Not This Man
March 2, 2011

"Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robber." (John 18:40)

Unfortunately, this is the attitude of every generation toward its Creator and Redeemer.  Jesus Christ "was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not" (John 1:10-11).

"Not this man!" they cried, and still cry today.  "We will not have this man to reign over us" (Luke 19:14).  Even in a nation founded as a Christian nation, the name of Jesus Christ is banished from the schools, ignored in the halls of government, and blasphemed on the streets.

And whom did they choose instead of "this man?" They preferred Barabbas, who was not only a robber, but also a revolutionary and murderer (Luke 23:19).  Today, they idolize the atheist Darwin, or the robber Lenin, or the revolutionary Mao, or the murderer Hitler, or any one of a thousand antichrists; but they will not have Christ.

What, then, will they do with Christ?  "Away with him, away with him, crucify him" (John 19:15) was the cry even of the religious leaders during His life here on earth, and it is little different today.  "Ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you," proclaimed Peter (Acts 3:14).  "The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ" (Acts 4:26).

The rejection of Christ today is often more subtle, but it is just as real.  Rulers, industrialists, scientists, educators, and commentators all say in deed, if not in word, that "|they| will not have this man to reign over |them|" (Luke 19:14).  "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name" (John 1:12). HMM

For more . . . .

AAaaaaaarrrgh. Aaaaaaaaragh (going mental and running into the nearest asylum for solace)

OLAADEGBU:

Not This Man
March 2, 2011

"Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robber." (John 18:40)

Unfortunately, this is the attitude of every generation toward its Creator and Redeemer.  Jesus Christ "was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not" (John 1:10-11).

"Not this man!" they cried, and still cry today.  "We will not have this man to reign over us" (Luke 19:14).  Even in a nation founded as a Christian nation, the name of Jesus Christ is banished from the schools, ignored in the halls of government, and blasphemed on the streets.

And whom did they choose instead of "this man?" They preferred Barabbas, who was not only a robber, but also a revolutionary and murderer (Luke 23:19).  Today, they idolize the atheist Darwin, or the robber Lenin, or the revolutionary Mao, or the murderer Hitler, or any one of a thousand antichrists; but they will not have Christ.

What, then, will they do with Christ?  "Away with him, away with him, crucify him" (John 19:15) was the cry even of the religious leaders during His life here on earth, and it is little different today.  "Ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you," proclaimed Peter (Acts 3:14).  "The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ" (Acts 4:26).

The rejection of Christ today is often more subtle, but it is just as real.  Rulers, industrialists, scientists, educators, and commentators all say in deed, if not in word, that "|they| will not have this man to reign over |them|" (Luke 19:14).  "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name" (John 1:12). HMM

For more . . . .

thehomer:

And you further compound your lies with more lies? Where did I swear that I would not read your links? Even if I did, does that then mean that you should lie to support your arguments? You need to repent. Ask forgiveness from those of us that you've lied to.


There are no moral absolutes. Do you think it is right for Christians to deliberately mislead people? If you think God's laws are absolute, then do you support slavery? If you don't, you are disobeying your God. Do you support murder for changing ones religion or for ones homosexual relatives? If you don't, you are also disobeying your God.


Now you accuse me of being your "accuser"? Wow. What makes you think you can turn this around on me? Please answer this with a yes or no. Were you lying when you misquoted Abraham Lincoln?
Do you wish to discuss on morality? If you do, please open another thread rather than trying to use it to distract people following this one.


Has your conscience been pricked? Is that why rather than either accepting your ignorance or lying, you're trying to shift the blame? This is a sign of pride. You're just making things worse for yourself. I'll advice you to honestly answer these questions.

And this question too. It seems you forgot to include it.
Have I borne false-witness? ____YES _____NO

(Emphasis mine)
It seems you're in more need of answering the above questions to evaluate your conscience than I am.

You never responded to the above statements and questions. Don't run away.

thehomer:

And you further compound your lies with more lies? Where did I swear that I would not read your links? Even if I did, does that then mean that you should lie to support your arguments? You need to repent. Ask forgiveness from those of us that you've lied to.

Are you disputing the allegation?

thehomer:

There are no moral absolutes. Do you think it is right for Christians to deliberately mislead people? If you think God's laws are absolute, then do you support slavery? If you don't, you are disobeying your God. Do you support murder for changing ones religion or for ones homosexual relatives? If you don't, you are also disobeying your God.

You say there are no moral absolutes and you then go on to use God's moral absolutes to accuse me, are you alright?

thehomer:

Now you accuse me of being your "accuser"? Wow. What makes you think you can turn this around on me? Please answer this with a yes or no. Were you lying when you misquoted Abraham Lincoln?
Do you wish to discuss on morality? If you do, please open another thread rather than trying to use it to distract people following this one.

If you really knew who the accuser of the brethren is and what attributes you now portray you will run to your maker and repent of the life of lies you are living in.  And to answer your question about Abraham Lincoln, I posted the link part of which I quoted, the fact that I said that Abraham Lincoln said what I quoted was a honest mistake which you could easily have corrected in the link I suggested because that quote is in the same article that you claimed you did not see and you would not have found out if I intended to mislead you but because of your censorious spirit you went on to accuse me falsely.

thehomer:

Has your conscience been pricked? Is that why rather than either accepting your ignorance or lying, you're trying to shift the blame? This is a sign of pride. You're just making things worse for yourself. I'll advice you to honestly answer these questions.

Read the Bible and find out who the father of lies is and who ends up legless whom you've decided to picth your tenth with.  Adam blamed Eve, Eve blamed the serpent and the serpent had no leg to stand on.

thehomer:

And this question too. It seems you forgot to include it.
Have I borne false-witness? ____YES _____NO

(Emphasis mine)
It seems you're in more need of answering the above questions to evaluate your conscience than I am.

The answer is No as I provided the link I quoted from.  My comment about it was not a deliberate mistake as you have been made to believe rather it is you that has mislead others that the excerpt I quoted was not in the article.

OLAADEGBU:

Are you disputing the allegation?

Yes I am. Please provide the relevant link.

OLAADEGBU:

You say there are no moral absolutes and you then go on to use God's moral absolutes to accuse me, are you alright?

There are no moral absolutes. Morality depends on the context. Even this God you're talking about does not have moral absolutes this is why it is acceptable for him to allow genocide after stating that people should not kill other people.

OLAADEGBU:

If you really knew who the accuser of the brethren is and what attributes you now portray you will run to your maker and repent of the life of lies you are living in.  And to answer your question about Abraham Lincoln, I posted the link part of which I quoted, the fact that I said that Abraham Lincoln said what I quoted was a honest mistake which you could easily have corrected in the link I suggested because that quote is in the same article that you claimed you did not see and you would not have found out if I intended to mislead you but because of your censorious spirit you went on to accuse me falsely.

Where did I say I did not see the article? I hope you realize that by saying this, you simply demonstrate that you find it difficult understanding and communicating in English above a certain level. If this is so, then I hope you are trying to remedy this situation by attending the relevant classes and by apologizing for inadvertently attempting to mislead people who read the post.

OLAADEGBU:

Read the Bible and find out who the father of lies is and who ends up legless whom you've decided to picth your tenth with.  Adam blamed Eve, Eve blamed the serpent and the serpent had no leg to stand on.

I notice that you still attempt to evade your own questions.
And the serpent has to blame God for poor design which is also what Adam and Eve should have done. How can a moral God punish naive people for an arbitrary crime? Why did he not warn them about the serpent that he himself sent to earth and permitted to enter this so called Garden of Eden? This simply makes no sense.

OLAADEGBU:

The answer is No as I provided the link I quoted from.  My comment about it was not a deliberate mistake as you have been made to believe rather it is you that has mislead others that the excerpt I quoted was not in the article.

Actually, your answer should be yes because I've already pointed out that you were bearing false witness with your statement. So before you answered this question, you knew that you had borne false witness (though you claim it was inadvertent). i.e you now know that you were bearing false witness (though you have decided to say it was because of your poor command of the English Language).
Which brings us back to the fact that you've lied in answering this question. These are bad signs.

thehomer:

Yes I am. Please provide the relevant link.

It is not for me to prove it your conscience (if it is still working), will remind you.

thehomer:

There are no moral absolutes. Morality depends on the context. Even this God you're talking about does not have moral absolutes this is why it is acceptable for him to allow genocide after stating that people should not kill other people.

Just let a thief pilfer your wallet (if you've got any money in it) and let's see whether you will still claim that morality depends on the context if the thief says that it is his moral right to help himself.

thehomer:

Where did I say I did not see the article? I hope you realize that by saying this, you simply demonstrate that you find it difficult understanding and communicating in English above a certain level. If this is so, then I hope you are trying to remedy this situation by attending the relevant classes and by apologizing for inadvertently attempting to mislead people who read the post.

If you claim to have seen the article why did you accuse me of making up a statement that was not in the article. You said I was lying by making up an entire quote that was not in the article, are you saying that the quote was not in the article or you are just making your usual accusations as your mentor does?

thehomer:

Be careful of accepting OLAADEGBU's claims. He was actually just lying above. He made up that entire quote and placed it in Lincoln's mouth. A simple lookup gives the lie to his statement.

Do you still stand by this false accusation?

thehomer:

I notice that you still attempt to evade your own questions.
And the serpent has to blame God for poor design which is also what Adam and Eve should have done. How can a moral God punish naive people for an arbitrary crime? Why did he not warn them about the serpent that he himself sent to earth and permitted to enter this so called Garden of Eden? This simply makes no sense.

And I guess you are still blaming God by spitting up in the air and lying to yourself that He does not exist.

thehomer:

Actually, your answer should be yes because I've already pointed out that you were bearing false witness with your statement. So before you answered this question, you knew that you had borne false witness (though you claim it was inadvertent). i.e you now know that you were bearing false witness (though you have decided to say it was because of your poor command of the English Language).
Which brings us back to the fact that you've lied in answering this question. These are bad signs.

I was not bearing false witness as I provided the link that I was quoting from. It is you that is bearing false witness after reading the link and then accusing me of making up an entire quote that was not in the article. You are the one making a mountain out of a mole hill. If I attributed the quote to Abraham Lincoln and provided the link you have no excuse to claim that I misled you unless you are bent on looking for faults in grammar or sentence constructions. And if I have sinned I am accountable to God but who are you accountable to if you bear false witness, what would stop you from deceiving people especially when it is convenient?

OLAADEGBU:

It is not for me to prove it your conscience (if it is still working), will remind you.

You need to understand that when you make claims and are called on them, you need to back up the claim with evidence otherwise, you will be considered a liar.

OLAADEGBU:

Just let a thief pilfer your wallet (if you've got any money in it) and let's see whether you will still claim that morality depends on the context if the thief says that it is his moral right to help himself.

Yes it still depends on the context.

OLAADEGBU:

If you claim to have seen the article why did you accuse me of making up a statement that was not in the article. You said I was lying by making up an entire quote that was not in the article, are you saying that the quote was not in the article or you are just making your usual accusations as your mentor does?

Do you still stand by this false accusation?

It's not about the quote being in the article but whether the statement was made by Lincoln like you claimed. You are still attempting to obfuscate which in this case can be considered lying.

OLAADEGBU:

And I guess you are still blaming God by spitting up in the air and lying to yourself that He does not exist.

No I'm not blaming God. I'm simply asking that the story you believe so strongly make sense.

OLAADEGBU:

I was not bearing false witness as I provided the link that I was quoting from. It is you that is bearing false witness after reading the link and then accusing me of making up an entire quote that was not in the article.

What do you think bearing false witness means? Please read this link. You need to stop trying to shift the blame and apologize for your failed attempt especially now that you know that you were wrong. Refusing to apologize is just another sign of pride.

OLAADEGBU:

You are the one making a mountain out of a mole hill. If I attributed the quote to Abraham Lincoln and provided the link you have no excuse to claim that I misled you unless you are bent on looking for faults in grammar or sentence constructions.

It's not an "if", you did attribute a quote to Lincoln that he did not make. Please read the article again and own up to your mistake. You may call it a molehill, but it is one molehill that reveals a certain character.

OLAADEGBU:

And if I have sinned I am accountable to God but who are you accountable to if you bear false witness, what would stop you from deceiving people especially when it is convenient?

It is also moral to apologize to people that one presented wrong information to whether deliberately or not. Who I'm accountable to is irrelevant. You simply need to swallow your pride and do what is right. I shouldn't be the one to teach you morals.

thehomer:

You need to understand that when you make claims and are called on them, you need to back up the claim with evidence otherwise, you will be considered a liar.

Are you now saying that you are prepared to read links I suggest?

thehomer:

Yes it still depends on the context.

You mean when it is convenient for you which means if paedophilia becomes decriminalised you will have no inhibitions to the act, just as you are with LGBTs?

thehomer:

It's not about the quote being in the article but whether the statement was made by Lincoln like you claimed. You are still attempting to obfuscate which in this case can be considered lying.

No one but you is misled by the quote I posted.  Any smart person reading the quote will know that I was quoting the author who was commenting on Abraham's statements.  All you could have done was to read the link I suggested which you did but decided to mislead others by claiming that the quote was not in the article that I made it all up by myself.  That is what is called bearing false witness if you don't know.

thehomer:

No I'm not blaming God. I'm simply asking that the story you believe so strongly make sense.

The Bible may not make sense to you but that does not mean that it is unreasonable.  God is beyond the natural laws and that is why it is supernatural book meant for those who have been born of the spirit, the moment you come to your senses and open the eyes of your heart it is only then that you will begin to see the light of the glorious gospel.

thehomer:

What do you think bearing false witness means? Please read this link. You need to stop trying to shift the blame and apologize for your failed attempt especially now that you know that you were wrong. Refusing to apologize is just another sign of pride.

Of cause, I apologise to all who were misled by misunderstanding what I meant, but will you also apologise for misleading others by claiming that I had made up the quote by myself?  Let's see who is full of pride now.

thehomer:

It's not an "if", you did attribute a quote to Lincoln that he did not make. Please read the article again and own up to your mistake. You may call it a molehill, but it is one molehill that reveals a certain character.

I just did.  Will you now admit to misleading others of what I did not do or are you still claiming that the quote was made up.

thehomer:

It is also moral to apologize to people that one presented wrong information to whether deliberately or not. Who I'm accountable to is irrelevant. You simply need to swallow your pride and do what is right. I shouldn't be the one to teach you morals.

Who you are accountable to is relevant in this matter.  If not, you will have no reasons to tell the truth especially when it is not convenient for you.  Since you are amoral and areligious why would you want to tell the truth as it is not in your nature?  It is natural for the fish to swim in the river why would you want to do the things not natural to you?

Let me give you the Moral Law which you can only answer with your conscience, I believe you still have one even though you might have tried to silence it.

With a tender conscience, check this list of the Ten Commandments:

Have I always loved God my Creator with all my heart, mind, soul and strength? ____YES ___NO
Have I made a god in my own image? a god to suit myself? ____YES ___NO
Have I ever used God's name in vain? ____YES ___NO
Have I kept the Sabbath holy? ____YES ___NO
Have I always honoured my parents implicitly? ____YES ___NO
Have I murdered (God considers hatred as murder)? ____YES ___NO
Have I committed adultery (including premarital sex and lust)? ____YES ___NO
Have I stolen (the value is irrelevant)? ____YES ___NO
Have I lied (including fibs and these questions)? ____YES ___NO
Have I coveted (been greedy or materialistic)? ____YES ___NO

If you have even broken one Law, then you have sinned against God and therefore will "surely die," for the "wages of sin is death." (Death is the separation from God, either temporary or permanently)

We are all guilty of breaking the Commandments. Listen to the voice of your conscience, and let it remind you of some of the sins of the past. We are not perfect as we are commanded to be (Matthew 5:48), neither is our heart pure. On Judgment Day our transgressions will be the evidence of our shame. Think of it: God has seen every sin we have ever committed. We share our thought-life with Him.

We are guilty of violating His Law a multitude of times, yet if we repent, God can forgive us because Jesus stepped into the courtroom 2,000 years ago and paid the fine for us.

His death on the cross satisfied the Law we so blatantly transgressed, and at the same time demonstrated how much God loves us[i]—

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."[/i] 

His shed blood on the cross can make you clean in the sight of a holy God, as though you have never sinned.

God doesn't want you to go to Hell.  Please, forget your arguments, repent and put your trust in Jesus and be saved from God's wrath.  Make Psalm 51 your prayer, then read your Bible daily and always obey what you read; God will never let you down.  Peace.

OLAADEGBU:

Are you now saying that you are prepared to read links I suggest?

Aaand you attempt another bait and switch. It's becoming sort of fun identifying the tricks that your sort use.
Remember what you originally claimed.

OLAADEGBU:
I thought you had sworn not to read my links, have you gone against your own words?  How did you know that the article was written based on what Abraham Lincoln said if not through the link I posted?

Since you're unable to present evidence for this, you want to switch to getting me to read any rubbish you wish to post? This is very sad. So it seems that you deliberately placed quotes in Lincoln's mouth because you thought no one would read it. Very dishonest.

OLAADEGBU:

You mean when it is convenient for you which means if paedophilia becomes decriminalised you will have no inhibitions to the act, just as you are with LGBTs?

And now you wish to shift to making ad hominems. I hope you realize that paedophilia is different from homosexuality. Even now in the U. S., one of them is a crime and the other isn't. You need to realize these basic facts.

OLAADEGBU:

No one but you is misled by the quote I posted.  Any smart person reading the quote will know that I was quoting the author who was commenting on Abraham's statements.  All you could have done was to read the link I suggested which you did but decided to mislead others by claiming that the quote was not in the article that I made it all up by myself.  That is what is called bearing false witness if you don't know.

Yet another lie. Your placing of some quotes in Lincoln's mouth mislead Martian but I was not mislead. Go back and read what you posted and explain how someone else will know without reading the article, who it is that you were quoting. The author or Lincoln.

OLAADEGBU:

The Bible may not make sense to you but that does not mean that it is unreasonable.  God is beyond the natural laws and that is why it is supernatural book meant for those who have been born of the spirit, the moment you come to your senses and open the eyes of your heart it is only then that you will begin to see the light of the glorious gospel.

It doesn't make sense to you to either. Which is why you invented this supernatural and kept on forcing the Bible into it because let's face it, if there was a supernatural, then anything and everything goes.

OLAADEGBU:

Of cause, I apologise to all who were misled by misunderstanding what I meant, but will you also apologise for misleading others by claiming that I had made up the quote by myself?  Let's see who is full of pride now.

Misunderstanding what you meant? Go back and read what you posted. Here it is prior to the quotes you forced into his mouth.

OLAADEGBU:

This is an excerpt of what Abraham Lincoln said of America's suicidal tendencies.
http://www.icr.org/article/america-committing-suicide/

OLAADEGBU:

I just did.  Will you now admit to misleading others of what I did not do or are you still claiming that the quote was made up.

If the quote wasn't Lincoln's, then it was made up and put in his mouth irrespective of where it came from. The fact is that Lincoln did not make that statement.

OLAADEGBU:

Who you are accountable to is relevant in this matter. 

No it isn't.

OLAADEGBU:

If not, you will have no reasons to tell the truth especially when it is not convenient for you. 

Just as you are demonstrating above? Being who I am, I tell the truth as the situation demands.

OLAADEGBU:

Since you are amoral and areligious why would you want to tell the truth as it is not in your nature?  It is natural for the fish to swim in the river why would you want to do the things not natural to you?

No I am not religious but I am moral. Well it seems telling the truth is not your nature either so where is this going? Besides, did you know that from the Garden of Eden, your God has been lying? He said if they ate from the tree they would die but the devil gave a more accurate story by saying that they would gain knowledge of right and wrong.

thehomer:

Aaand you attempt another bait and switch. It's becoming sort of fun identifying the tricks that your sort use.
Remember what you originally claimed.

Since you're unable to present evidence for this, you want to switch to getting me to read any rubbish you wish to post? This is very sad. So it seems that you deliberately placed quotes in Lincoln's mouth because you thought no one would read it. Very dishonest.

Read this link for the evidence you deny (as from post #102).

thehomer:

And now you wish to shift to making ad hominems. I hope you realize that paedophilia is different from homosexuality. Even now in the U. S., one of them is a crime and the other isn't. You need to realize these basic facts.

Simply say that you don't know what the word "decriminalised" means.  Paedophilia is presently a crime but if the law changes a makes this act legal your so called morality will also change as you will have no problem supporting it as long as you can "get away with murder".

thehomer:

Yet another lie. Your placing of some quotes in Lincoln's mouth mislead Martian but I was not mislead. Go back and read what you posted and explain how someone else will know without reading the article, who it is that you were quoting. The author or Lincoln.

As I have said for the upteenth time, anyone reading the quote would know that the comment was not made by Abraham Lincoln as it was referring to him in the quote.  Only you will be deceived because you have refused to believe the truth and thus you are prone to believing a lie.

thehomer:

It doesn't make sense to you to either. Which is why you invented this supernatural and kept on forcing the Bible into it because let's face it, if there was a supernatural, then anything and everything goes.

It doesn't have to make sense to me before I believe it.  Believing is seeing.  When you believe the gospel truth you will see the light that will set you free.  I will be posting the story of those who believed the truth and were set free from their sinful lifestyle.

thehomer:

Misunderstanding what you meant? Go back and read what you posted. Here it is prior to the quotes you forced into his mouth.

I posted the link and anyone who is not lazy to check it out will see where 'am coming from.

thehomer:

If the quote wasn't Lincoln's, then it was made up and put in his mouth irrespective of where it came from. The fact is that Lincoln did not make that statement.

The quote was from the link despite you claiming that I made it up.  Ken Ham commented on the statement made by Abraham Lincoln and this comment was what I posted even though I inadvertedly said it was from Abraham.

thehomer:

No it isn't.

Since you do not answer to anyone you have no reason to be truthful, you only say the truth when it suits you.  Why then should people believe you since you believe you've got nothing to lose?

thehomer:

Just as you are demonstrating above? Being who I am, I tell the truth as the situation demands.

You said it your own words "as the situation demands" if the situation demands that you should tell a lie then you tell a lie because the situation demands it.

thehomer:

No I am not religious but I am moral. Well it seems telling the truth is not your nature either so where is this going? Besides, did you know that from the Garden of Eden, your God has been lying? He said if they ate from the tree they would die but the devil gave a more accurate story by saying that they would gain knowledge of right and wrong.

You don't even know the meaning of one who is amoral and areligious.  Morality comes from God and if you sincerely answered the questions posted above you will realise that those are God's moral absolutes which you are trying to use.  You are just revealing the reason of your anger against God's people.  You believe God that you don't think exists is a liar and then you go on a mission to take your anger out on His children calling them liars until you go red in the tooth.  You don't believe in the supernatural but you believe that the devil is the one saying the truth, this tells me who your mentor is and who you are serving.  You have decided to trust the devil over your Creator whom you are now calling a liar.  If you want to know who the father of lies is you better read  and believe the gospel truth.

OLAADEGBU:

Read this link for the evidence you deny (as from post #102).

Why don't you state it in full? Are you afraid of deliberately misrepresenting what I said? How does what I said there mean I would never check links you post to verify their veracity?

OLAADEGBU:

Simply say that you don't know what the word "decriminalised" means.  Paedophilia is presently a crime but if the law changes a makes this act legal your so called morality will also change as you will have no problem supporting it as long as you can "get away with murder".

I know what decriminalized means but your comparison makes no sense because what you need to understand are the reasons behind the decision.

OLAADEGBU:

As I have said for the upteenth time, anyone reading the quote would know that the comment was not made by Abraham Lincoln as it was referring to him in the quote.  Only you will be deceived because you have refused to believe the truth and thus you are prone to believing a lie.

I'm prone to believing lies? I hope you remember that I was the one who pointed out the lie you told.

OLAADEGBU:

It doesn't have to make sense to me before I believe it.  Believing is seeing.  When you believe the gospel truth you will see the light that will set you free.  I will be posting the story of those who believed the truth and were set free from their sinful lifestyle.

And here is a clear summary of the problem with your way of thinking. Something doesn't have to make sense for you to accept it as being true? Then I guess there really is nothing for us to discuss since it seems clear you've deliberately decided to shut down your ability to reason clearly.

OLAADEGBU:

I posted the link and anyone who is not lazy to check it out will see where 'am coming from.

And I was not lazy so I was able to detect that even in that link, Lincoln did not say what you claimed he did thereby resulting in your bearing false witness against a dead man who cannot defend himself.

OLAADEGBU:

The quote was from the link despite you claiming that I made it up.  Ken Ham commented on the statement made by Abraham Lincoln and this comment was what I posted even though I inadvertedly said it was from Abraham.

If you take a person's words and put them in another person's mouth, you are being dishonest. You keep claiming that you did not make it up because it was in the article but for all intents and purposes, they were made up because they were not made by Lincoln.

OLAADEGBU:

Since you do not answer to anyone you have no reason to be truthful, you only say the truth when it suits you.  Why then should people believe you since you believe you've got nothing to lose?

I have lots of reasons to be truthful. You see I do not need to be coerced by some imaginary bully to tell the truth, I do it because it is right as the situation demands. This is why I would not declare outright that one is silly for believing something that does not even make sense to them.

OLAADEGBU:

You said it your own words "as the situation demands" if the situation demands that you should tell a lie then you tell a lie because the situation demands it.

You see it's a funny thing with the word "should". One [b]should [/b]act in a way that they [b]should [/b]act. Besides, being a moral person, I do not simply tell lies for fun or at random, I act in ways that would minimize pain and suffering that your God seems to refuse or is incapable of preventing.

OLAADEGBU:

You don't even know the meaning of one who is amoral and areligious.  Morality comes from God and if you sincerely answered the questions posted above you will realise that those are God's moral absolutes which you are trying to use. 

Sorry but you have these things the wrong way around. Morality and God come from humans. You're still claiming that God has moral absolutes. You're free to demonstrate these moral absolutes.

OLAADEGBU:

You are just revealing the reason of your anger against God's people.  You believe God that you don't think exists is a liar and then you go on a mission to take your anger out on His children calling them liars until you go red in the tooth.  You don't believe in the supernatural but you believe that the devil is the one saying the truth, this tells me who your mentor is and who you are serving.  You have decided to trust the devil over your Creator whom you are now calling a liar.  If you want to know who the father of lies is you better read  and believe the gospel truth.

No. That was simply to point out the inconsistency of the story that you think is literally true. I'm not angry with you, I'm simply pointing out that you lied and are finding it difficult to apologize clearly by using several tactics that are ineffective.

The Wicked Man
March 9, 2011

"The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts." (Psalm 10:4)

It is significant that the word "wicked" does not necessarily mean morally depraved or violently dangerous. It is essentially synonymous with "ungodly" and the Hebrew word (rasha) used here is often so translated. This tenth psalm provides a graphic summary of their real character. They are:

(1) Proud. "The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God" (v. 4).

(2) Fawning. "For the wicked . . . blesseth the covetous, whom the Lord abhorreth" (v. 3).

(3) Atheistic, at least in behaviour. "He hath said in his heart, God hath forgotten: . . . he will never see it" (v. 11).

(4) Stubborn. "He hath said in his heart, I shall not be moved: for I shall never be in adversity" (v. 6).

(5) Profane. "His mouth is full of cursing . . . : under his tongue is mischief and vanity" (v. 7).

(6) Hurtful. "In the secret places doth he murder the innocent" (v. . This surely applies to character assassination, when not to actual killing.

(7) Deceptive. "His mouth is full of . . . deceit and fraud: . . . He lieth in wait secretly as a lion in his den" (vv. 7, 9).

It is significant that the apostle Paul cited verse 7 ("full of cursing" as descriptive of most of the ancient pagans in his day, and it can sadly be applied to many modern pagans as well.

But David said: "I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree.  Yet he passed away, and, lo, he was not" (Psalm 37:35-36).  "For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish" (Psalm 1:6). HMM

For more . . . .

thehomer:

Why don't you state it in full? Are you afraid of deliberately misrepresenting what I said? How does what I said there mean I would never check links you post to verify their veracity?

Those who are interested in facts and in the context it was written will check it up. Everyone is not a lazy git like you who loves to be spoonfed with a silver spoon.

thehomer:

I know what decriminalized means but your comparison makes no sense because what you need to understand are the reasons behind the decision.

What's the difference between a paedophile and an homosexual who are not legally married? If the age of consent is 17 what's the difference of an homosexual who has an affair with a boy who is 18. Because the law allows you to have carnal knowledge with a boy of 18 doesn't mean you are any better than an paedophile who has an affair with a 17 year old boy. It is only because the law prohibits you from having carnal knowledge of a 17 year old boy that prevents you from doing so. The moment the government lowers the age of consent to 16 or 15 your ethic will not prevent you from taking advangtage of the occasion.

thehomer:

I'm prone to believing lies? I hope you remember that I was the one who pointed out the lie you told.

You have chosen to believe and live a lie.  The same lie satan sold to Eve you was also sold to you and you have swallowed it hook, line and stinker. Satan and his human instruments have always opposed the manifestation of the Messiah and His government. He is conscious that his time is short and will soon run out when the whole cosmos will become the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. The only escape from the divine wrath of God is to accept Christ as Saviour and Lord if we are to escape God's unbearable wrath.

thehomer:

And here is a clear summary of the problem with your way of thinking. Something doesn't have to make sense for you to accept it as being true? Then I guess there really is nothing for us to discuss since it seems clear you've deliberately decided to shut down your ability to reason clearly.

My Christian worldview may be illogical to you when you look at the face of it superficially.  The Bible does make some extraordinary claims such as of the floating ax heads, the sun apparently moving backwards, a universe created in 6 days, an earth that has pillars and corners, people walking on water, light before the sun, a talking serpent, a talking donkey, dragons and a senior citizen taking 2 of every kind (if you know what kind is) of land animal on a big boat.  These do not violate any laws of logic but go beyond our ordinary, everyday experiences.  The error is on your part when you misuse figures of speech and taking them as though they are literal.  Poectic sections of the Bible must be taken as such, to do otherwise is academically dishonest and showing your subjective opinion which is begging the question.

thehomer:

And I was not lazy so I was able to detect that even in that link, Lincoln did not say what you claimed he did thereby resulting in your bearing false witness against a dead man who cannot defend himself.

Anyone reading the excerpt (except yourself) with a good understanding of English grammar will be able to decipher the fact that the statement was commenting on what was said before then.

thehomer:

If you take a person's words and put them in another person's mouth, you are being dishonest. You keep claiming that you did not make it up because it was in the article but for all intents and purposes, they were made up because they were not made by Lincoln.

I have since admitted that error on my part and clarified my point but it is left for you to apologise for your character assasination claiming that that I made up the quote when you know that it was taken from the article.

thehomer:

I have lots of reasons to be truthful. You see I do not need to be coerced by some imaginary bully to tell the truth, I do it because it is right as the situation demands. This is why I would not declare outright that one is silly for believing something that does not even make sense to them.

Anyone making an absolute statement that God does not exist when you don't even know how the universe and life began is what I would call intellectual harakiri.

thehomer:

You see it's a funny thing with the word "should". One [b]should [/b]act in a way that they [b]should [/b]act. Besides, being a moral person, I do not simply tell lies for fun or at random, I act in ways that would minimize pain and suffering that your God seems to refuse or is incapable of preventing.

If you have rejected the source of truth and morality what you are left with are half truth and lies and a being deceived as well as deceiving others.  satan still says folks should trust him.

thehomer:

Sorry but you have these things the wrong way around. Morality and God come from humans. You're still claiming that God has moral absolutes. You're free to demonstrate these moral absolutes.

You are displaying the same deception satan sold to our first parents.  God said He created man in His own image, satan turned it around and said man created god in his own image now you are saying that morality and God comes from man.  You see, satan's tactics haven't really changed because he knows that it is tried and tested for the past 6,000 years and it is still catching the likes of you.  Only Jesus can set you free from the these half truths and lies from the pit of hell.

thehomer:

No. That was simply to point out the inconsistency of the story that you think is literally true. I'm not angry with you, I'm simply pointing out that you lied and are finding it difficult to apologize clearly by using several tactics that are ineffective.

No one but satan sold you a lie.  I only apologised to anyone who was misled due to my comment and expected you to do the same where you lied that I made up a whole quote on my own but I am not surprised that you are in denials.  The Bible story is proven to be true by the comments you are now making on this thread.

The atheist's sense of right and wrong (morality).

[img width=500 height=500]http://www.answersingenesis.org/assets/images/media/cartoons/after-eden/20100326.gif[/img]

OLAADEGBU:

Those who are interested in facts and in the context it was written will check it up. Everyone is not a lazy git like you who loves to be spoonfed with a silver spoon.

What did I say that you interpreted as me not reading any of your links? Why do you not want your links to be reviewed? Are you hiding something? Your lies maybe?

OLAADEGBU:

What's the difference between a paedophile and an homosexual who are not legally married? If the age of consent is 17 what's the difference of an homosexual who has an affair with a boy who is 18. Because the law allows you to have carnal knowledge with a boy of 18 doesn't mean you are any better than an paedophile who has an affair with a 17 year old boy. It is only because the law prohibits you from having carnal knowledge of a 17 year old boy that prevents you from doing so. The moment the government lowers the age of consent to 16 or 15 your ethic will not prevent you from taking advangtage of the occasion.

This entire post of yours is irrelevant because the age of consent applies to both males and females. Being Intimate with and underaged person is a crime. While consensual sex between people above the age of consent is not a crime whether homosexual or not.

OLAADEGBU:

You have chosen to believe and live a lie.  The same lie satan sold to Eve you was also sold to you and you have swallowed it hook, line and stinker. Satan and his human instruments have always opposed the manifestation of the Messiah and His government. He is conscious that his time is short and will soon run out when the whole cosmos will become the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. The only escape from the divine wrath of God is to accept Christ as Saviour and Lord if we are to escape God's unbearable wrath.

It seems to me that you're prone to spewing lies then.

OLAADEGBU:

My Christian worldview may be illogical to you when you look at the face of it superficially.  The Bible does make some extraordinary claims such as of the floating ax heads, the sun apparently moving backwards, a universe created in 6 days, an earth that has pillars and corners, people walking on water, light before the sun, a talking serpent, a talking donkey, dragons and a senior citizen taking 2 of every kind (if you know what kind is) of land animal on a big boat.  These do not violate any laws of logic but go beyond our ordinary, everyday experiences.  The error is on your part when you misuse figures of speech and taking them as though they are literal.  Poectic sections of the Bible must be taken as such, to do otherwise is academically dishonest and showing your subjective opinion which is begging the question.

Ha ha ha This really makes me laugh. So which ones above are poetic sections which are literal? How do you know? You say they do not violate the laws of logic but you see the laws of logic are generally abstractions while these are physical occurrences decided by scientific reasoning. Which of course they all violate.

OLAADEGBU:

Anyone reading the excerpt (except yourself) with a good understanding of English grammar will be able to decipher the fact that the statement was commenting on what was said before then.

Do you have a good understanding of communication in English Language?

OLAADEGBU:

I have since admitted that error on my part and clarified my point but it is left for you to apologise for your character assasination claiming that that I made up the quote when you know that it was taken from the article.

No you haven't clarified your point. You're yet to say what Abraham Lincoln has to do with this discussion. Again, are you trying to lie? The simple thing is this; if Lincoln did not make that statement, then it was made up and put in his mouth whether or not it was in the article.

OLAADEGBU:

Anyone making an absolute statement that God does not exist when you don't even know how the universe and life began is what I would call intellectual harakiri.

And who is making this absolute statement? Please do not lie because I will find out.

OLAADEGBU:

If you have rejected the source of truth and morality what you are left with are half truth and lies and a being deceived as well as deceiving others.  satan still says folks should trust him.

I have not rejected the source of morality because it comes from humans.

OLAADEGBU:

You are displaying the same deception satan sold to our first parents.  God said He created man in His own image, satan turned it around and said man created god in his own image now you are saying that morality and God comes from man.  You see, satan's tactics haven't really changed because he knows that it is tried and tested for the past 6,000 years and it is still catching the likes of you.  Only Jesus can set you free from the these half truths and lies from the pit of hell.

You need a better argument than this circular argument of yours from your bible to demonstrate an alternate source of morality or God.

OLAADEGBU:

No one but satan sold you a lie.  I only apologised to anyone who was misled due to my comment and expected you to do the same where you lied that I made up a whole quote on my own but I am not surprised that you are in denials.  The Bible story is proven to be true by the comments you are now making on this thread.

Hey you should apologize to me too because you attempted to mislead me but I found you out. I couldn't tell where the quote came from but what I did know was that it did not come from Lincoln. So, for all intents and purposes, if that quote did not come from Lincoln, it was made up and put in his mouth.