PearlStreet:
A lot of you guys lamenting about MTN and its subcontractors would have been multimillionaires only if you got lawyers to sue them or report them to the regulators.

For instance, deduction of pension without remittance to the PFA is a criminal offence which attracts heavy penalties but you prefer to come online and lament.

The day Nigerians start suing MTN, Electricity companies, Police, Government Hospitals, Banks, utility providers and service providers, a lot of them would pay you hefty millions and sit up.

You're right

The hard part was having to read all the other stoopid pple speaking against the NLC's weak and belated action.

What's the value of a few broken LCD Screens and chairs to thousands of pple beggared and enslaved in their own country whilst everyone else is making progress. I personally assisted 2 chicks to cross over from MTN to Civil Defence in 2012 and was just as ignorant as these lot up there concerning Industrial Labor Relations within MTN, only thing I want waving my ignorance in everybody's face.

The exploitation is real and when you add the impunity of outsourcing agencies like ISON BPO, the stress level triples.

I pray Nigeria generally gets its shyt together because pple are being literally butchered on all fronts with no one to fight for them or mourn them. Heck, from all these shitty comments sef, Nigerians don't even love Nigerians.

This is a strategy to gain public sympathy and mislead the people. Let's discuss the issues concerning the exploitation of workers.
Everyone is quoting international labour's standard for picketing but no one is talking about internationally acceptable working condition and wages guideline.
Let this be a lesson to other exploiters as well. We should watch out, slavery is back. It is either we deal with it or live with it.

airsaylongcon:
This long epistle is a hatchet ghost writer for MTN

Has MTN not in itself violated ILO on unionism? Mtn that uses overt and covert threats to staff who dare join union aren't in violation of ILO rules? NLC no even picket dem reach

Do you know this for a fact or you were told?

Have you ever worked as MTN staff?

einsteine:


what salary were they told they would earn before they joined?

As long as they accepted the salary before joining and were not forced at gunpoint to accept the job, then no wrong has been done.

Why don't you shut up, if you never worked in the system u can never understand, have u heard of corporate modern day slavery, when you sign 8hr that becomes 10hrs due to huddle sessions that form part of your monthly performances, you are not allowed to join Union that fight for you, whatever decision is shoved down your throat take it or get out , morning shift initially starts 7am later returned to 6;15am when people resume by 8am afternoon then closed by 8pm later shifted to 11:15pm when people are sleeping, some people sleep in d office cos they can risk going home that late some lost their phones n valuables with slaps late night all d Indian company will say is resign if u can't,, people left Kaduna to Oyo rented house cos on first coming you will think you have gotten a good job, chilling open space office,, health insurance, transport with police escort, 3 months later when you work like a German machine and begins to look leaner than you came, 34k month end no savings reality down see sacking anyhow u will begin to regret all the money for transport n accommodation it will take you 1yr to recoup many people resigned, 6month- 1yr abandoned their accommodation counted their loses n move on, some went back home empty while some quit for NPower, as at the time I left within 2yrs based on a report I saw over 1600 had either resigned or were fired One thousand six hundred not 160. it got so bad they will come on the floor n tell you if you have a brother or friend that wants to work call them to come start training no interview, they know labour market is saturated so they can hire n fire no Union to checkmate them. bro I can type their atrocities from now till tomorrow but they did not put gun on our head.

Exponental:
I don't support any form of vandalism. However, if you know, you know! Mtn is labouring us in our own land. My wife retired in January due some reasons and by September, all her colleagues were SACKED..... All of them! No retirement package, nothing! They kept transferring them from one Management company to another. In the transfer process, you tender a resignation letter to the former and an application letter to the new. It was torturing! NLC should fight for them legitimately please.

Your wife is not MTN staff. Stop lying.

Nigerians needs to go and read about outsourcing.

If your company deliver a service for another company, you are the staff of your primary employer

ISON BPO staff are not MTN staff.

The fact is that MTN is not fair to Nigerian staff; they take advantage of unemployment in the country. It is so easy to speak grammar against NLC actions while no words of reprimand are spared against MTN excesses. I support any action taken against mtn even though my two major Sims are mtn

rman:


Your wife is not MTN staff. Stop lying.

His wife may not directly be employed by mtn however, an outsourcing company employed you to work for mtn, you work with Mtn accesses, work on Mtn processes activate n deactivate services on Mtn lines, resolve queries on Mtn. who am I working for

rman:
Nigerians needs to go and read about outsourcing.

If your company deliver a service for another company, you are the staff of your primary employer

ISON BPO staff are not MTN staff.

His wife may not directly be employed by mtn
however, an outsourcing company employed
you to work for mtn, you work with Mtn
accesses, work on Mtn processes activate n
deactivate services on Mtn lines, resolve
queries on Mtn. who am I working for

Oyerinde16:

His wife may not directly be employed by mtn however, an outsourcing company employed you to work for mtn, you work with Mtn accesses, work on Mtn processes activate n deactivate services on Mtn lines, resolve queries on Mtn. who am I working for

You are still not working for mtn.

Your employment letter has nothing to do with mtn. The fact that your company renders service to mtn does not make you mtn staff.

A lot of other company render outsourced service, all cannot be claiming mtn staff.

Computer warehouse (CWG) is a good example.

NLC should picket those companies directly not mtn.

FYI, some oursourced vendors actually pay their staff better than mtn does.

We need to let people know the issues correctly so a solution can be found to all anomally.

Real mtn staff are not the ones complaining and this NLC needs to know.

It like saying all Halogen security people we see in banks are the banks staff when we all know the banks juat approached a security company to provide a service.

If Halogen is not paying well, are you going to shut down the banks or Halogen security ?

Exponental:
I don't support any form of vandalism. However, if you know, you know! Mtn is labouring us in our own land. My wife retired in January due some reasons and by September, all her colleagues were SACKED..... All of them! No retirement package, nothing! They kept transferring them from one Management company to another. In the transfer process, you tender a resignation letter to the former and an application letter to the new. It was torturing! NLC should fight for them legitimately please.

They were never really staff of MTN... they were actually working for a contractor

Oyerinde16:

His wife may not directly be employed by mtn
however, an outsourcing company employed
you to work for mtn, you work with Mtn
accesses, work on Mtn processes activate n
deactivate services on Mtn lines, resolve
queries on Mtn. who am I working for

Globacom Don't mind the Idiot

rman:


You are still not working for mtn.

Your employment letter has nothing to do with mtn. The fact that your company renders service to mtn does not make you mtn staff.

A lot of other company render outsourced service, all cannot be claiming mtn staff.

Computer warehouse (CWG) is a good example.

NLC should picket those companies directly not mtn.

FYI, some oursourced vendors actually pay their staff better than mtn does.

We need to let people know the issues correctly so a solution can be found to all anomally.

Real mtn staff are not the ones complaining and this NLC needs to know.

It like saying all Halogen security people we see in banks are the banks staff when we all know the banks juat approached a security company to provide a service.

If Halogen is not paying well, are you going to shut down the banks or Halogen security ?

check my reply no where I mentioned Mtn staff, all I said is they work for Mtn via an outsourcing company, those who come to me do not enquire about my company, its Mtn products people who come don't see me as ISON BPO they see me as MTN rep, I was trained by Mtn, work with all their ACCESSES, One question I have for you is who job are we doing, MTN job outsourced out, direct Mtn staffs earn well good working conditions, while they outsourced staff are slaves, MTN knows nothing about it ryt, now they know some outsourced people working with Mtn accesses and processes are badly treated what are they doing about it or it's still not their concern, and Mtn be telling us bout information security and it an offense to give out info, I blame NLC they should have locked ISON BPO premises for 1hr and watch how MTN will go on it knees when traffic build and no one to resolve or attend to them.
by d way halogen or whatever if parent company says close by 6pm n bank says close by 10pm, if parent company say sit at the gate and bank send you as errand boy in uniform using u outside your purview what do u do when no union to speak 4 u

rman:


Do you know this for a fact or you were told?

Have you ever worked as MTN staff?

I know this for a fact. I worked in the hardware end of mobile telephony. This brought me in very close relationships with staff of all the telecoms companies apart from the Nigerian one. ALL of them are talked ABOUT unwritten HR policy frowning against unionism. MTN's policy is that you are free to join unions and they are free to keep you or not after you do that

airsaylongcon:


I know this for a fact. I worked in the hardware end of mobile telephony. This brought me in very close relationships with staff of all the telecoms companies apart from the Nigerian one. ALL of them are talked ABOUT unwritten HR policy frowning against unionism. MTN's policy is that you are free to join unions and they are free to keep you or not after you do that

Have you seen a copy of this policy or you were told?

Well, as an insider too, I am telling you it is a lie.

Oyerinde16:

check my reply no where I mentioned Mtn staff, all I said is they work for Mtn via an outsourcing company, those who come to me do not enquire about my company, its Mtn products people who come don't see me as ISON BPO they see me as MTN rep, I was trained by Mtn, work with all their ACCESSES, One question I have for you is who job are we doing, MTN job outsourced out, direct Mtn staffs earn well good working conditions, while they outsourced staff are slaves, MTN knows nothing about it ryt, now they know some outsourced people working with Mtn accesses and processes are badly treated what are they doing about it or it's still not their concern, and Mtn be telling us bout information security and it an offense to give out info, I blame NLC they should have locked ISON BPO premises for 1hr and watch how MTN will go on it knees when traffic build and no one to resolve or attend to them.
by d way halogen or whatever if parent company says close by 6pm n bank says close by 10pm, if parent company say sit at the gate and bank send you as errand boy in uniform using u outside your purview what do u do when no union to speak 4 u

Now you are speaking some truths.

MTN cannot be compelled to to alter HR policies of independent organizations that render service. What NLC should have done is shut down ISON BPO which in turns affects MTN, then MTN will be asked not to do business with organizations with low HR standards. It is that simple. NLC talked about MTN staff in all their claims, and you and I know MTN pays and treats her employees well..is that not deliberate misinformation if everyone keeps shouting MTN.

In your example above, if you were been asked to do a task that is really outside your scope or overtime without compensation, that must be reported to your parent company. And by the way, MTN pays overtime for every hour worked outside normal working time.

Why must MTN be in fore front of an issue that has to do with independent companies. If Julius Beger does not pay well and they are doing construction work for FG. Is it ministry of works that you will shut down or Julius berger? Are you a FG staff because all the projects you have been on in Julius Berger are FG projects?

So many examples abound. The underlying issue here is Nigerians herd mentality. MTN and its staffs are not complaining and there will be no headway with companies like ISON BPO if they are not talked to directly. NLC is also eager to do this because of their own pockets. If you think they are fighting for workers right, then we are on a long thing.

I can give you 1000 companies that are even worse than ISON BPO, because they bribe NLC, no one hears anything.

If we want to fight for better working conditions, we must target the real culprits not the guys we think will give us more money.

rman:


Now you are speaking some truths.

MTN cannot be compelled to to alter HR policies of independent organizations that render service. What NLC should have done is shut down ISON BPO which in turns affects MTN, then MTN will be asked not to do business with organizations with low HR standards. It is that simple. NLC talked about MTN staff in all their claims, and you and I know MTN pays and treats her employees well..is that not deliberate misinformation if everyone keeps shouting MTN.

In your example above, if you were been asked to do a task that is really outside your scope or overtime without compensation, that must be reported to your parent company. And by the way, MTN pays overtime for every hour worked outside normal working time.

Why must MTN be in fore front of an issue that has to do with independent companies. If Julius Beger does not pay well and they are doing construction work for FG. Is it ministry of works that you will shut down or Julius berger. Are you a FG staff because all the projects you have been on in Julius Berger are FG projects?

So many examples abound. The underlying issue here is Nigerians herd mentality. MTN and its staffs are not complaining and there will be no headway with companies like ISON BPO if they are not talked to directly. NLC is alsp eager to do this because of their own pockets. If you think they are fighting for workers right, then we are on a long thing.

I can give you 1000 companies that are even worse than ISON BPO, because they bribe NLC, no one hears anything.

If we want to fight for better working conditions, we must target the real culprits not the guys we think we give us more money.

You talk from the perspective of an outsider now listen to this, Mtn paid its CCR roughly #80-90k as at 2007-2010 when it contracted it call center n some processes to a company CNSS... for 5yrs this company paid around 63-65k with 13th month d contract expired in 2015 and Mtn gave the contract to ISON BPO for 5yr from 2015-2020 they started paying 46k later recruitment paid 34k with very stringent working conditions, will Mtn claim they are not aware of the poor remuneration and working conditions of Ison staffs, is this not a deliberate effort to exploit, Ison may and cannot do more than what Mtn pays, Mtn pays the piper and dictates virtually everything that goes on in Ison bpo, there are many companies hiding under they are not our staff but working for us, who do u want to complain to when the answer you get is simply resign there are thousands looking for your job. Mtn will always hide but they at complicit and part of the matter.
I will write a story soon

Oyerinde16:

Why don't you shut up, if you never worked in the system u can never understand, have u heard of corporate modern day slavery, when you sign 8hr that becomes 10hrs due to huddle sessions that form part of your monthly performances, you are not allowed to join Union that fight for you, whatever decision is shoved down your throat take it or get out , morning shift initially starts 7am later returned to 6;15am when people resume by 8am afternoon then closed by 8pm later shifted to 11:15pm when people are sleeping, some people sleep in d office cos they can risk going home that late some lost their phones n valuables with slaps late night all d Indian company will say is resign if u can't,, people left Kaduna to Oyo rented house cos on first coming you will think you have gotten a good job, chilling open space office,, health insurance, transport with police escort, 3 months later when you work like a German machine and begins to look leaner than you came, 34k month end no savings reality down see sacking anyhow u will begin to regret all the money for transport n accommodation it will take you 1yr to recoup many people resigned, 6month- 1yr abandoned their accommodation counted their loses n move on, some went back home empty while some quit for NPower, as at the time I left within 2yrs based on a report I saw over 1600 had either resigned or were fired One thousand six hundred not 160. it got so bad they will come on the floor n tell you if you have a brother or friend that wants to work call them to come start training no interview, they know labour market is saturated so they can hire n fire no Union to checkmate them. bro I can type their atrocities from now till tomorrow but they did not put gun on our head.

Your rantings are difficult to read. Lots of white space next time, please. Good communication skills would increase your employment options in future. You won't have to look up to useless unions or blame mtn for maximizing profits.


By the way, which employer would employ you with this uncouth attitude? If employment conditions are unfair, you resign or go to court (if you have a case), not type this woe-is-me wall of text that you have typed.

P. S. Unions are a scourge on business. Oshiomole claimed to be fighting for workers. Today, Oshiomole is a former governor and a leading politician. Where are the workers? Only someone without foresight would be depending on unions and fairness from a business. It's a business, man.

einsteine:




Your rantings are difficult to read. Lots of white space next time, please. Good communication skills would increase your employment options in future. You won't have to look up to useless unions or blame mtn for maximizing profits.


By the way, which employer would employ you with this uncouth attitude? If employment conditions are unfair, you resign or go to court (if you have a case), not type this woe-is-me wall of text that you have typed.

P. S. Unions are a scourge on business. Oshiomole claimed to be fighting for workers. Today, Oshiomole is a former governor and a leading politician. Where are the workers? Only someone without foresight would be depending on unions and fairness from a business. It's a business, man.

well if you could not comprehend what I wrote quite unfortunate u may have to go back to school, If you read well u will see " as at the time I left ". by the way as soon as my staffs reach the required number to associate they can join a Union if they wish, as for employability am way past that k, Unions are a scourge to opportunist, who. want to use and exploit the unemployed by paying stipends in the name of maximizing profit, try this rubbish in saner climes and see how union will make u pay via your anus.

rman:


Have you seen a copy of this policy or you were told?

Well, as an insider too, I am telling you it is a lie.

Unwritten Policy.... I said this in my post that u quoted

PearlStreet:
A lot of you guys lamenting about MTN and its subcontractors would have been multimillionaires only if you got lawyers to sue them or report them to the regulators.

For instance, deduction of pension without remittance to the PFA is a criminal offence which attracts heavy penalties but you prefer to come online and lament.

The day Nigerians start suing MTN, Electricity companies, Police, Government Hospitals, Banks, utility providers and service providers, a lot of them would pay you hefty millions and sit up.

it's about every one coming together to stand up for Wat is obtainable....this country today thrive on injustice.... Contractual slavery every wer.... Pension dat shd be remited by some security companies are not done...to think that some of these directors are Christians or Muslim na issue

Is this why I saw 41 missed calls on my fone yesterday without seeing any incoming call? I think dia service was distrup yesterday evening.

Oyerinde16:

You talk from the perspective of an outsider now listen to this, Mtn paid its CCR roughly #80-90k as at 2007-2010 when it contracted it call center n some processes to a company CNSS... for 5yrs this company paid around 63-65k with 13th month d contract expired in 2015 and Mtn gave the contract to ISON BPO for 5yr from 2015-2020 they started paying 46k later recruitment paid 34k with very stringent working conditions, will Mtn claim they are not aware of the poor remuneration and working conditions of Ison staffs, is this not a deliberate effort to exploit, Ison may and cannot do more than what Mtn pays, Mtn pays the piper and dictates virtually everything that goes on in Ison bpo, there are many companies hiding under they are not our staff but working for us, who do u want to complain to when the answer you get is simply resign there are thousands looking for your job. Mtn will always hide but they at complicit and part of the matter.
I will write a story soon

ISON BPO and others like CNSSL bided for the contact, ISON offered a lower cost to deliver the services, if they feel human resources cost can be optimized, that is still not MTN.

It is the Nigerian situation of massive unemployment that makes graduates work in call centers, it is a job meant for High school leavers. Forget sentiments, you cannot force an employer to pay more from your own perspective alone. When telecos were cutting prices of calls and other services, eventually, some cost will be optimized, that is business. And yes, people that think they deserve more should be bold enough to leave. That is the most profound statement underpaid employees can make.

I am more involved than you know and still is. I am talking from a management and business owner position. Worked in telecom's sector for more than 11yrs....

There will always be perspective of employees, employers and business owners. We need to balance both.

rman:


ISON BPO and others like CNSSL bided for the contact, ISON offered a lower cost to deliver the services, if they feel human resources cost can be optimized, that is still not MTN.

It is the Nigerian situation of massive unemployment that makes graduates work in call centers, it is a job meant for High school leavers. Forget sentiments, you cannot force an employer to pay more from your own perspective alone. When telecos were cutting prices of calls and other services, eventually, some cost will be optimized, that is business. And yes, people that think they deserve more should be bold enough to leave. That is the most profound statement underpaid employees can make.

I am more involved than you know and still is. I am talking from a management and business owner position. Worked in telecom's sector for more than 11yrs....

There will always be perspective of employees, employers and business owners. We need to balance both.

well I worked with them for 2yr6mnt before I walk away, compared to other places I have worked its obvious employee welfare needs to be reviewed, 2 Mtn n Ison need to sit n review pay n working conditions work n pay need to be commensurate, 3 if the process continues as it is it obvious it heading for the rock, 1600 left within 2yrs it either something is wrong with your organization working conditions or the employees 4 wait till I write n submit a report to NCC n co

Greatzeus:
Story
Assuming you were born or old enough during Oshomole's time,you will know that this is nothing.A time that NLC have the balls to close down any company,he will even buy padlock himself and lock the company. NLC is a shadow of itself.
The comrades are either dead or they compromised

Thnk u jawe... Lexusgs430 shey u dey hear

Oyerinde16:

well if you could not comprehend what I wrote quite unfortunate u may have to go back to school, If you read well u will see " as at the time I left ". by the way as soon as my staffs reach the required number to associate they can join a Union if they wish, as for employability am way past that k, Unions are a scourge to opportunist, who. want to use and exploit the unemployed by paying stipends in the name of maximizing profit, try this rubbish in saner climes and see how union will make u pay via your anus.

Are there unions in Silicon Valley?

Are there unions in Singapore?

China? The Indian Pharmaceutical industry?

Countries and industries that lead innovations and new technology don't have time for the bullshit called labour unions and collective bargaining.

zeestone99:


Thnk u jawe... Lexusgs430 shey u dey hear

But that is what I have been saying nah, Oga..... The NLC got no teeth or balls.....

They are facing MTN, what happened to the minimum wage structure viz a viz true economical position (even within government parastatals)?

I repeat again, NLC is broke and hungry, simply looking for avenues to raise funds........

einsteine:


Are there unions in Silicon Valley?

Are there unions in Singapore?

China? The Indian Pharmaceutical industry?

Countries and industries that lead innovations and new technology don't have time for the bullshit called labour unions and collective bargaining.

How many trade unions are there in
India?
Statistics on Trade Unions are
collected annually by the Labour
Bureau of the Ministry of Labour,
Government of India. As per the
latest data, released for 2012, there
were 16,154 trade unions which
had a combined membership of
9.18 million

Labour unions in Japan,
with a combined membership of
7,395,666 workers ,

NTUC, which forms the majority of the
labour movement in Singapore,
represents over 800,000 workers in
Singapore across more than 70 unions,
affiliated associations and related
organisations.

Oga get your facts na, any country without labour or trade Union will be violating ILO convention's and workers in those countries will be terribly exploited

Lexusgs430:


But that is what I have been saying nah, Oga..... The NLC got no teeth or balls.....

They are facing MTN, what happened to the minimum wage structure viz a viz true economical position (even within government parastatals)?

I repeat again, NLC is broke and hungry, simply looking for avenues to raise funds........

Mk dem go lock up dat ibon abi wetin b d name... Me i dnt want to agree mtn knws notin abt it , they knw n refuse to interfere for their own benefit or jst their southafrican wickedness at d expense of a lawless country

zeestone99:


Mk dem go lock up dat ibon abi wetin b d name... Me i dnt want to agree mtn knws notin abt it , they knw n refuse to interfere for their own benefit or jst their southafrican wickedness at d expense of a lawless country

Why is/was NLC ignoring the leprosy, but deciding to cure the ring worm?

I feel very disappointed with the comments of some Nigerians on this matter. Why must we waste our time discussing the violation of ILO when nobody including the Federal Ministry if Labour and MTN is discussing the violation of our labour law in this country.
Yes, we need foreign investment but anybody bringing his or her money to Nigeria to invest is not doing it because of special love for Nigeria, it is because their feasibility report shows such investment to be viable and that the investor is ready to comply with the law of the host country.

If MTN thinks it can hide under ILO on this matter, the company has missed it. The same company is becoming notorious for violating law. We remember how the company took the law on registration of subscribers for granted untill NCC slammed it with huge penalty. This lead them to start negotiation and unfortunately they got huge concession. Now it is violation of Labourer law. . I can't but hail the NLC for waking up to her responsibilities. Irresponsible corporate entity like MTN deserves no form of mercy. Indeed, South African that are killing Nigerians in thier country wouldn't care to invade Nigerian firms and kill Nigerian workers if the firm ever made attempt to violate law like MTN is doing in Nigeria.