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Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by alBHAGDADI: 9:29am On Jul 15, 2018
Hamzi423:

Jesus Christ was a prophet of GOD b4 he left this world, he's coming back because he's the only prophet that is wrongfully equated to GOD, he's coming back to set the record straight & refute all who calls him GOD then kill the anti Christ... The last prophet here means the last messenger of GOD to the people of the world... Jesus has already come... Muhammad is the last messenger & that's why his message is for all of the world
You are confusing yourself with this your last prophet and last messenger talk.

You claim Jesus is coming back to set the record straight, which means he is coming with the true message that he is not God. That makes him the last messenger, not Muhammad.
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by alBHAGDADI: 9:33am On Jul 15, 2018
Hamzi423:


The Quran is the same everywhere in the world... Translations may differ because of difference in language thereby causing misinterpretation thats why it was maintained in one language.. For u to understand the Quran, u must learn the language of the Quran.. Am not saying all the translations are wrong, but those who translate it are humans & can make mistakes by either exaggeration or maybe reduction or even changing a verse to suit their own agenda... That's why we say translated Quran is flawed
You people insult God when you say His words can only be read in arabic. This means He is only for the Arabs. Your Allah has made it difficult for people to come close to him by putting his words in arabic alone. So one will have to go through the stress of learning a new language before he can understand your Allah.

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Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by alBHAGDADI: 9:34am On Jul 15, 2018
Hamzi423:

The Quran is maintained in one language to maintain it's purity... No omission, no addition & no subtraction... What's there is there... & all Muslims are to learn the language of the Quran because that's the language we use to perform salat....
So your Allah doesn't understand other languages except arabic.

That makes him limited if I can't pray to him in Yoruba or hausa.

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Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 10:07am On Jul 15, 2018
HajimeSaito:


Sorry sir. You're absolutely right. The koran is a book of truth and MOOhamed was an enlightened man:



Qur’an 18:83-86—And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say: “I shall recite to you something of his story.” Verily, We established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything. So he followed a way. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people.

Sunan Abu Dawud 3991—Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water.

What does this prove?
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 10:19am On Jul 15, 2018
ogatboy:


Thanks for your response. Jesus is king of the Jews or Prophet? But Muhammed was also king of the Arabs so how was he sent to the whole world?

The message of Muhammed and Jesus are different haven read the Quran to à point and the Bible.

On the Quran, why do I have to learn Arabic to get God's message? Why did God then allow different languages in the first place. Besides, Arabic is à newer language compared to Hebrew so why did God not just use Hebrew?

Many things don't add up yet

Would u deny that both Jesus & Muhammad preached the worship of ONE GOD?
Only the Arabic language been the chosen language of the Quran... The previous messages of GOD through Moses, David, Jesus etc were distorted, corrupted & mistranslated that's why GOD chose a single language to preserve His final testament, which is a fulfilment of Matthew 21:42 & 43.... GOD sent his messages to the Jews in their own language b4.
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 10:23am On Jul 15, 2018
ogatboy:


Are you aware the Quran you are using was compiled in 1924 and approved at Cairo in 1980's.

If the purpose of God, is to change the wrong, why is he confusing people with different translations and interprétation. Who then can accurately explain the Quran the way it is in God's mind. Who knows the real Arabic and won't the person also translate it as he sees fit when he teaches it

That's why the Quran is preserved in a single dialect... That's why every Muslim is supposed to learn the language of the Quran to better understand the Quran...
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 10:31am On Jul 15, 2018
alBHAGDADI:


First, the comforter is not a human, so it couldn't have been Muhammad. The comforter is a spirit, the Holy Spirit.

Secondly, Its purpose is not for salvation, but to comfort and remind Christians all the things Jesus taught them.

John 14:26

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 16:12 to 15 said I have many things to say unto you, but you cannot bear them now, howbeit when HE the spirit of truth is come, HE shall guide you into all the truth, HE shall tell you the things that are to come, HE shall glorify me, HE shall not speak of HIMSELF but whatsoever that shall HE hear is what HE shall speak... I want you to tell me what new things has the Holy Spirit taught?
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by alBHAGDADI: 10:35am On Jul 15, 2018
[quote author=Hamzi423 post=69397022][/quote]Jesus was talking about the holy spirit, not Muhammad who is not a spirit and never spoke any truth but lies.

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Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by alBHAGDADI: 10:37am On Jul 15, 2018
Hamzi423:


Would u deny that both Jesus & Muhammad preached the worship of ONE GOD?
Only the Arabic language been the chosen language of the Quran... The previous messages of GOD through Moses, David, Jesus etc were distorted, corrupted & mistranslated that's why GOD chose a single language to preserve His final testament, which is a fulfilment of Matthew 21:42 & 43.... GOD sent his messages to the Jews in their own language b4.
What's your prove that the Bible has been corrupted? Or you just making baseless statements your Alfa made you believe?

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Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 10:40am On Jul 15, 2018
[quote author=Hamzi423 post=69397022][/quote]
1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.... This verse equates true spirit to true prophet... Meaning a false prophet is a false spirit & a true prophet is a true spirit...

1 John 4:2 The spirit that confesseth that Jesus is the Christ is of GOD...
From the Quran verses u listed to prove Jesus superiority over Muhammad proves to you that Muhammad confessed that Jesus is the Christ/messiah...
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Harkyn92(m): 10:42am On Jul 15, 2018
ogatboy:
I have some question and I need clarifications.

1. In the Quran, Jesus (Issa) is à prophet and also the Messiah, how can it be explained. If he is the Messiah then he has something special that Muhammed does not have so why the emphasy on Muhammed who is dead and not the Messiah who is to come.

2. As it is acclaimed there is one Quran which has not changed since the time of Muhammed and it was written in Arabic. Well those that convert to Islam and are not speakers of Arabic, how do they know what they are thought is the right translation. The reason for this question is because when you point out something that doesn't look right in thé English Quran, they say thats not the real meaning in Arabic. How do you know the real meaning when its not your language and you were only thought recitations?

This is not to question the religion but to gain more knowledge
These are questions that are not hard to answer to answer at all
(1) Both prophet issa and prophet Muhammed and prophets sent by Almighty Allah to human, and I know that even you xtians know that jesus is not the only prophet sent by God to human, each prophet come at different time. Jesus was a messiah, no doubt, but that doesn't nullify other prophets from being a prophet because there're messiah before jesus(prophet sulayman/Solomon is an example) they came before jesus and that doesn't nullify the prophetship of jesus. The major problem between them now is that jesus was sent to a particular set of people while Muhammad was sent to the world at large.
(2) Arabic is just a language, so anybody can learn it. Also you have some people you have your trust inb(Good religious leaders)
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 10:43am On Jul 15, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
What's your prove that the Bible has been corrupted? Or you just making baseless statements your Alfa made you believe?


How many versions of the Bible do you have in circulation today?
The Catholic Bible contains the original forty-six books of the Old Testament, (which includes the seven books of the Apocrypha) and the twenty-seven books of the New Testament. The Protestant Bible only includes the thirty-nine books of the Old Testament and the twenty-seven books of the New Testament. Why is this so?
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by alBHAGDADI: 10:58am On Jul 15, 2018
Hamzi423:


How many versions of the Bible do you have in circulation today?
The Catholic Bible contains the original forty-six books of the Old Testament, (which includes the seven books of the Apocrypha) and the twenty-seven books of the New Testament. The Protestant Bible only includes the thirty-nine books of the Old Testament and the twenty-seven books of the New Testament. Why is this so?
Read link below to see the versions of Quran available. But you Muslims will never discuss such.

https://answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm

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Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 11:11am On Jul 15, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
You are confusing yourself with this your last prophet and last messenger talk.

You claim Jesus is coming back to set the record straight, which means he is coming with the true message that he is not God. That makes him the last messenger, not Muhammad.


It is simple English... Jesus is not a new messenger of GOD, he has been sent to earth b4... Him coming back is not with a new message but to vindicate himself... We calling Muhammad the last & final messenger means there won't be any new messenger with a new message again... I hope u understand
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 11:13am On Jul 15, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
You people insult God when you say His words can only be read in arabic. This means He is only for the Arabs. Your Allah has made it difficult for people to come close to him by putting his words in arabic alone. So one will have to go through the stress of learning a new language before he can understand your Allah.

In what language was the true gospel of Jesus?
In what language was the law of Moses revealed? If u can answer that then u will know that ur above point is baseless...
Why did GOD choose only the Jews as at then? We're they d only creation of GOD?
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 11:15am On Jul 15, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
So your Allah doesn't understand other languages except arabic.

That makes him limited if I can't pray to him in Yoruba or hausa.

No one said u can't pray to GOD in ur own mother tongue..
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by alBHAGDADI: 11:16am On Jul 15, 2018
Hamzi423:


It is simple English... Jesus is not a new messenger of GOD, he has been sent to earth b4... Him coming back is not with a new message but to vindicate himself... We calling Muhammad the last & final messenger means there won't be any new messenger with a new message again... I hope u understand
According to you, God is sending him back again, right? That means he is coming back as a messenger from God again. This means Muhammad is not the last messenger. Morever, Muhammad contradict all the prophets of the Bible, which shows he was never from the same source. This means if you say he is the last messenger, then that it to Allah, not the Hood of the Bible.
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by alBHAGDADI: 11:17am On Jul 15, 2018
Hamzi423:


No one said u can't pray to GOD in ur own mother tongue..

Do they use Yoruba during salat?

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Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by alBHAGDADI: 11:19am On Jul 15, 2018
Hamzi423:

In what language was the true gospel of Jesus?
In what language was the law of Moses revealed? If u can answer that then u will know that ur above point is baseless...
Why did GOD choose only the Jews as at then? We're they d only creation of GOD?
In theirnoriginalnlanhyages,. But to say you can only understand the word of God in that language really means you are limiting God.

Without arabic, you can't understand Allah. That makes him a seclfued god.
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 11:23am On Jul 15, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
Read link below to see the versions of Quran available. But you Muslims will never discuss such.

https://answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm

All i see here are fabrications & wrong interpretations...
The Quran is unique and special it is one all over.. The person tried so much to manipulate his way.. But if u look at the words he cuts their verses differ.
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 11:26am On Jul 15, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
Do they use Yoruba during salat?
alBHAGDADI:
Do they use Yoruba during salat?
... Have you seen the Jews pray? Why do ur pastor's speak in tongues? Why
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 11:27am On Jul 15, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
Do they use Yoruba during salat?
Their original Language right? Thank you.. How did it become corrupt? Numerous translations omissions & additions
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 11:30am On Jul 15, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
According to you, God is sending him back again, right? That means he is coming back as a messenger from God again. This means Muhammad is not the last messenger. Morever, Muhammad contradict all the prophets of the Bible, which shows he was never from the same source. This means if you say he is the last messenger, then that it to Allah, not the Hood of the Bible.
Salat is a ritual & is to be performed in 1 language to maintain uniformity... It is performed in a language chosen by GOD... Aside salat u can make supplications, give praises pray in ur mother tongue...
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by HajimeSaito(m): 11:32am On Jul 15, 2018
Hamzi423:


What does this prove?

It proves that the whole of our scientific knowledge is wrong. The Sun does not sit in the middle of our Solar System and our Planet Earth does not orbit the sun.
The Sun is a small object that sets in a pool of water right here on earth!
MOOhaMAD knows more than Galileo, Corpenicus, NASA etc! All hail MOOhaMAD!!!
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 11:32am On Jul 15, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
According to you, God is sending him back again, right? That means he is coming back as a messenger from God again. This means Muhammad is not the last messenger. Morever, Muhammad contradict all the prophets of the Bible, which shows he was never from the same source. This means if you say he is the last messenger, then that it to Allah, not the Hood of the Bible.

All the prophets of the Bible preached the oneness of GOD & that's the same with Muhammad... Though their style might differ due to difference in audience or followers but they all preached the oneness of GOD which is the most important thing
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by alBHAGDADI: 11:35am On Jul 15, 2018
Hamzi423:

Salat is a ritual & is to be performed in 1 language to maintain uniformity... It is performed in a language chosen by GOD... Aside salat u can make supplications, give praises pray in ur mother tongue...
You see. Only one language and that is the only language Allah understands. To hell with uniformity where I have to mutter the same thing everyone else is saying. If Allah is not limited, why can't I pray in a different manner and sayings?
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by alBHAGDADI: 11:36am On Jul 15, 2018
Hamzi423:


All the prophets of the Bible preached the oneness of GOD & that's the same with Muhammad... Though their style might differ due to difference in audience or followers but they all preached the oneness of GOD which is the most important thing
And that God is Yahweh. But Muhammad came up with a totally different name and doctrine, even style of worship.
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 11:40am On Jul 15, 2018
Hamzi423:


All the prophets of the Bible preached the oneness of GOD & that's the same with Muhammad... Though their style might differ due to difference in audience or followers but they all preached the oneness of GOD which is the most important thing

U are strongly refusing to understand... Jesus came with the gospel, Moses with the laws & Muhammad with the Quran... Jesus coming back is not as a messenger, because he's not bringing any new message...
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 11:51am On Jul 15, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
And that God is Yahweh. But Muhammad came up with a totally different name and doctrine, even style of worship.
How does the Jews worship?
How do the modern day Christians worship? Are they the same? No.. The major point there is that all of the prophets of GOD preached the oneness of GOD... HE has no partner no companion... He's alone in his might He shares nothing with no-one... He's one & absolute..
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 11:54am On Jul 15, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
You see. Only one language and that is the only language Allah understands. To hell with uniformity where I have to mutter the same thing everyone else is saying. If Allah is not limited, why can't I pray in a different manner and sayings?

All true muslims are one & the same... They are to worship in a particular manner & in a specific time & in a specific way... That's what differentiate them from the unbelievers... It is a way of life that GOD has chosen for his creation... If u want to be a believer, then u must do what HE asks.. Simple
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 11:58am On Jul 15, 2018
alBHAGDADI:
You see. Only one language and that is the only language Allah understands. To hell with uniformity where I have to mutter the same thing everyone else is saying. If Allah is not limited, why can't I pray in a different manner and sayings?

When Jesus taught them how to pray... What did he say?
& in what language did he pray?

If u want to follow Jesus, then u must do as he did... Try to emulate him & not fabricate what u feel is the right way
Re: Questions Begging For Answers In The Quran by Hamzi423: 12:01pm On Jul 15, 2018
ogatboy:


Are you aware the Quran you are using was compiled in 1924 and approved at Cairo in 1980's.

If the purpose of God, is to change the wrong, why is he confusing people with different translations and interprétation. Who then can accurately explain the Quran the way it is in God's mind. Who knows the real Arabic and won't the person also translate it as he sees fit when he teaches it

The Quran is the same... Everywhere in the world.. And GOD is not the author of confusion.. His revelations are accurate & direct... And all came in a specific language or dialect... If u truly are a believer then learning a language chosen by ur GOD shouldnt be a problem... After all u learned English to survive in today's world...

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